AI 整理 : Mario Woods（ICBM 基地警備兵）の UFO/ET 体験：インタビュー

June 23, 2025 · 116 min read

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過去記事、

Mario Woods（ICBM 基地警備兵）の UFO/ET 体験：インタビュー全発言：文字起こし＋和訳

で取り上げた発言内容を AI で整理した。情報源は 7.5時間に及ぶ長大な動画だが、タイトルのインタビュー部分は 1.5時間。文字起こしも該当部分に絞っている。

今回、AI 整理によって、前述の過去記事では見逃していた複数の重要な出来事、

この問題のミサイル・サイトが「任意に発射シーケンスを開始」することがあった、
この問題のミサイル・サイトで、別の2人の警備警察官が夜間に失踪し、車両と衣服が完全に分離された状態で草原で発見されたという類似の事件が発生していた

に気付いた（末尾で言及）。これは EMF 異常＋意識障害の発生を示している。

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概要

空軍基地での異星遭遇と謎の物体

この証言録は、マリオ・ウッズ氏が体験した異常な出来事を詳細に語るものです。特に、1977年のエルズワース空軍基地でのミサイル施設における未確認飛行物体（UFO）との遭遇が中心です。

彼は物体と光で交信を試み、その後、車両内で呼吸困難と時間が失われた感覚を経験しました。さらに、車両の窓越しに4体の謎の存在を目撃し、そのうちの1体は胸に光る物体を付けていました。最終的に、彼は意識を取り戻し、不明な場所で発見され、相棒は昏睡状態にありました。後に、彼はOSIの職員や空軍幹部による厳重な尋問を受け、顔と手が日焼けしていることを指摘され、皮膚サンプルが採取されました。

要旨

核施設と未確認飛行物体：マリオ・ウッズの証言に関する詳細

ブリーフィング文書

このブリーフィング文書は、マリオ・ウッズ氏の未確認飛行物体（UFO）遭遇体験に関する証言をまとめたものです。ウッズ氏は元米空軍の警備警察官であり、1977年にサウスダコタ州のエルズワース空軍基地にある核ミサイル基地でこの出来事を経験しました。彼の証言は、失われた時間、身体的影響、政府の隠蔽、そしてUFOの意図に関する考察など、いくつかの主要なテーマに焦点を当てています。

遭遇の概要と時系列マリオ・ウッズ氏は、1977年11月（感謝祭の2週間前）の夜、エルズワース空軍基地のミサイルサイト「ノベンバー5」での勤務中に、未確認飛行物体と遭遇しました。

目撃の開始: ウッズ氏は、ミサイルサイト「ノベンバー1」の外で休憩中に、東の空に非常に大きく、明るい物体を目撃しました。当初はB-52爆撃機だと思ったものの、その光の強さと物体の奇妙な振る舞いに困惑しました。「それは非常に大きく、非常に明るかったが、これまでに見たことのない光の強さだった。」（1:49:56）
光の点滅による反応: ウッズ氏は、ミサイルサイトの周囲の照明を点滅させることで、その物体に信号を送ろうとしました。すると、物体もそれに合わせて光を点滅させ始めました。「外に出ると、それは消えたり、またついたりした。」（1:52:18）
ミサイルサイトへの接近: 物体は「ノベンバー5」ミサイルサイトに移動し、そこから強力な光を放ち始めました。「私たちが高速道路に上がると、私は右を見た、ノベンバー5のその地域から数マイル離れたところに、この本当に奇妙な光が見えた。」（1:57:30）
車両内部での異常: ウッズ氏と彼のパートナーであるマイケル・ジョンソン氏が車両でミサイルサイトに近づくと、車両の内部が「掃除機で吸い出される」かのような状態になり、呼吸困難に陥りました。「その車両の内部が掃除機で吸い出されているかのようだった。そして私たちはその中にいた。」（2:01:34）ウッズ氏は「電化された」ような空気の匂いを嗅いだと言います。「電気的というか、イオン化されているというか。他にどう表現すればいいのか分からない。」（2:01:34）
「影のような姿」の接近: ウッズ氏が窓から外を見ると、彼の右側に「影のような姿」が近づいてくるのを目撃しました。「窓を巻き上げると、私の右側に影のような姿が近づいてくるのが見えた。」（2:03:21）
「失われた時間」と記憶の回復: 物体に接近された後、ウッズ氏とジョンソン氏は意識を失い、約5時間の「失われた時間」を経験しました。「5時間。信じられない。」（2:27:45）彼らは午前1時頃にミサイルサイトに到着するはずだったのに、意識を取り戻すと夜明けが近づいていました。ウッズ氏は数年後に催眠療法を受け、この失われた時間の記憶を部分的に回復しました。

回復された記憶の内容催眠療法によって回復された記憶は、ウッズ氏のUFO体験の最も衝撃的な部分です。

不明な環境と感覚: ウッズ氏は、自分が服を着ているかどうかも分からない状態で、黒いゲル状の物質に浸されていたと記憶しています。「自分が服を着ているかどうかも分からない、何かの中にいるということ。」（2:30:04）「黒いゲル状の物質に浸されていた。」（2:30:28）
絶望感と身体的痛み: 彼は「完全な孤独と恐怖」を感じ、右手首に強い痛みを感じました。「私の右の手首に何かされていた。」（2:31:21）
「存在」との接触: 催眠下で、ウッズ氏は「存在（beings）」の姿をはっきりと見たと述べました。そのうちの一体が彼の肩に手を置いた時、その手は「人間の手とは全く違う」感触だったと言います。「これらの存在の一体が私の肩に手を置いた。」（2:31:50）「それは完全に違う感じだった。」（2:31:50）
テレパシーによるメッセージ: 「恐れるな。恐れるな。」というメッセージが、経験全体を通じてテレパシーで伝えられました。「私の中で、言葉ではなく、『恐れるな。恐れるな』という声が聞こえ続けた。」（2:32:55）
米空軍車両の確認: ウッズ氏が意識を半分取り戻した状態で、彼らの車両の側面に「U.S. Air Force」と書かれているのを目撃しました。「US Air Force と車両の側面に見える。」（2:32:24）

事件後の身体的・心理的影響

ウッズ氏は、UFO遭遇が彼の人生に長期的な影響を与えたと述べています。

光に対する過敏症: 小さなLEDライトなど、あらゆる種類の小さな光を嫌うようになりました。「小さなLEDライトか何かから出る小さな光があれば、それを覆わなければならない。小さな光は全く好きではない。」（2:29:22）
心臓への影響（不整脈）: 催眠療法で記憶を語り始めた後、心房細動（A-fib）を発症しました。「それは私を不整脈に陥れた。本当に？」（2:40:53）「何かを打ち明けることや話すこと、特に催眠下では、内部的に私をひどく動揺させた。」（2:41:21）
政府による隠蔽と脅迫: 事件後、ウッズ氏は「誰にも話してはならない」と指示され、非公開契約書に署名させられました。「これを誰にも話してはいけないと言われた。」（2:22:16）「彼らはあなたの階級を剥奪できると脅迫する。秘密を漏らしてはいけない。家族の誰にもこれを知られてはいけない、と言われる。」（2:56:03）
再度の電力異常と目撃情報: 2017年12月、ウッズ氏の自宅で電力の一部が失われるという「極めて異例」な現象が発生しました。「住宅への電力供給が一部失われた。」（3:05:32）近所の住民からは、その夜、彼の裏庭が「スタジアムのように明るかった」と証言されました。「裏庭が太陽のように明るかった。」（3:07:01）電力会社の従業員も原因を特定できませんでした。「これは決して起こらないことだ。どうやって起こったのかさえ分からない。」（3:07:49）

政府の関与とその他の関連事件ウッズ氏の証言は、政府がUFO事件について詳細な情報を保有している可能性を示唆しています。

広範囲な捜索活動: ウッズ氏とジョンソン氏が行方不明になった際、空軍基地の3つのバックアップ警戒チームに加え、州警察官1名と副保安官2名からなる3つの法執行チームも彼らの捜索に参加していました。「3つのバックアップ警戒チームが私たちを探していた。」（2:46:11）「州警察官の父親は、空に何か大きなものを見たと言った。」（2:46:39）これはウッズ氏にとって長年知られていなかった事実でした。
ミサイルサイトでの奇妙な事件: 別の2人の警備警察官が夜間に失踪し、車両と衣服が完全に分離された状態で草原で発見されたという類似の事件がミサイル基地で発生していました。彼らは二度とミサイル基地に戻りませんでした。「彼らは一晩中行方不明になり、車両は別の場所にあり、彼らと彼らの衣服は完全に分離され、彼らは草原の野原に互いに完全に分離して座っていた。」（2:38:21）
核施設へのUFOの関心: ウッズ氏は、UFOが核施設に関心を持っているのは、原子の分裂方法や新しい元素の発見を監視しているためだと推測しています。「彼らは私たちがそれを行う能力を追跡しているか、または監視しているのだと思う。」（2:51:06）
国防総省UFOオフィス（AARO）での証言: ウッズ氏は、国防総省の新しいUFOオフィスAAROで証言を求められた8人のうちの1人であると述べました。「私はそれをするように依頼された8人のうちの1人だ。」（2:53:40）これは彼の経験が政府によって真剣に受け止められていることを示唆しています。
政府の記録と情報統制: ウッズ氏は、自身の事件が「完全に文書化され、記録されている」と確信しています。「絶対に。完全に書かれ、文書化されている。」（2:55:33）しかし、下士官兵は情報にアクセスできず、秘密保持契約を強制され、公に話すことを禁じられてきました。

その他の重要な点

水域との関連性: ウッズ氏は、自身の遭遇場所がニューウェル湖貯水池ダムの裏側であったことを指摘し、多くのUFO事件が水域で発生していることに言及しています。「最初に水上、次に核施設、そして水のある場所に私を降ろした。」（2:26:34）
ピタゴラスの三角形: 彼が遭遇したミサイルサイト（ノベンバー1、ノベンバー5）とニューウェル湖貯水池ダムの位置を地図にプロットすると、「ピタゴラスの三角形」が形成されると述べました。「ノベンバー1、ノベンバー5からニューウェル湖貯水池ダムまで。そしてノベンバー1に戻ると、それはピタゴラスの三角形だ。」（2:25:44）
夢と無意識: ウッズ氏は色付きの夢を見ており、それはUFO遭遇後も続いています。彼は「信じられないような夢」を見ることがあり、それは無意識の領域でのコミュニケーションの可能性を示唆しています。「夢は何かを意味するのだろうか。何なのかは分からないが。」（3:02:23）
『未知との遭遇』との類似性: 映画『未知との遭遇』の特定のシーン（ロイヤル・ニアリーが懐中電灯でUFOと交信する場面）を見たとき、ウッズ氏は劇場を去らざるを得ないほどの強い影響を受けました。そのシーンが、彼の実際の遭遇体験と「文字通り同じ」だったためです。「そのシーン全体を見たとき、私は文字通り立ち上がって劇場を出なければならなかった。耐えられなかった。文字通り、私に起こったばかりのことだった。ほとんど同じことだった。」（3:00:13）

マリオ・ウッズ氏の証言は、核施設におけるUFO活動の存在、政府による情報隠蔽、そして遭遇体験が個人に与える深刻な影響を浮き彫りにしています。彼のAAROでの証言は、これらの未解明な現象に関するさらなる情報開示につながる可能性があります。

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1977年11月（感謝祭の2週間前）

不明な日付: マリオ・ウッズとマイケル・ジョンソンがエルズワース空軍基地のミサイルサイト「November 5」で勤務中、セキュリティアラームが作動。
出来事の始まり: マリオ・ウッズは「November 1」の建物の前に出て、巨大で非常に明るい物体が空中に約30度の仰角で浮遊しているのを目撃する。当初、彼はB-52爆撃機だと思った。
光によるコミュニケーション: マリオは建物の照明を使ってモールス信号のように点滅させると、その物体もそれに反応して光を点滅させた。
電力喪失と停止: 物体が再び光を点滅させた後、November 1の施設の全ての外部照明が消え、しばらくして再点灯するが、その後完全に消灯した。
配備と追跡: マリオとマイケルは警報に対応するためにNovember 5に向かう。November 5に到着すると、彼らは奇妙な光を目撃し、車両内で呼吸困難に陥る。マリオは外の物体にマグライトを点滅させる。
意識喪失（失われた時間）: マリオは、車両の窓の外に影のような人影が近づいてくるのを目撃した後、意識を失う。
覚醒と場所の移動: マリオは目を覚ますが、周囲は完全に暗闇だった。彼が車両から降りると、足元は泥だらけで、周囲は巨大な白い壁のようなものに囲まれていた。マイケル・ジョンソンは麻痺したようにステアリングホイールに固定されていた。
救助活動: 司令部からマリオに連絡があり、彼らの位置を特定するために1分ごとのセキュリティチェックを行うよう指示される。サージェント・ガーザ率いる3つのバックアップ警戒チームが彼らを発見し、救助した。マリオは、この時、彼の父が州兵として出動し、彼らを探していたことが後年判明した。彼の父は空中に何か「大きなもの」を見たと言っていた。
November 1への帰還: マリオとマイケルはNovember 1に連れ戻され、そこで分離され尋問された。マリオは極度の精神的混乱を経験し、体が体外離脱するような感覚を覚える。
報告書と医療検査: マリオはインシデントレポートを作成し、フライトサージャンの診察を受ける。フライトサージャンは彼の顔の右側と右手の甲が日焼けしていることに気づき、皮膚サンプルを採取する。リチャード・ドティーがこの診察に立ち会っていた。
非開示契約と転勤: マリオは事件について誰とも話さないよう命じられ、非開示契約に署名させられる。その後、November 1からKelo 1に転勤させられた。
マイケル・ジョンソンとの再会: 2週間後、マイケル・ジョンソンがマリオのアパートを訪ね、二人はそれぞれ自分が見たUFOの絵を描き、同じような絵になった。

不明な日付（事件後）

マリオは下士官（NCO）に昇進し、約9ヶ月後に韓国の烏山空軍基地への異動命令を受けるが、妻を連れて行くための期間延長の要請は却下される。

1983年または1984年

マリオはDOE（エネルギー省）の仕事に就く。彼の機密情報クリアランスの取得には8ヶ月かかり、面接で空軍での出来事について質問されたが、非開示義務のため話せなかった。

1987年または1988年

マリオはロスアラモスの先進核研究センター（S-4）でコールド核融合実験を目撃した。

2017年12月19日ごろ

マリオの自宅で電力系統の一部喪失（"lost a leg of power"）が発生し、照明が非常に暗くなる。翌朝、ジョージア電力の作業員が来て、近隣で唯一マリオの家だけが影響を受けたことを告げた。
約2週間後、近所の少年がマリオの裏庭で「数週間前、スタジアムのように明るい光があった」と証言した。

登場人物

マリオ・ウッズ (Mario Woods): 物語の主要な証言者。67歳。元空軍セキュリティポリスの隊員で、1977年のエルズワース空軍基地でのUFO遭遇事件の当事者。その後、DOEで勤務し、現在はジョージア・パシフィックで働いている。ラジオコントロールカーレース、戦術射撃、フィットネスを趣味としている。AAROからの証言を求められている。
マイケル・ジョンソン (Michael Johnson): マリオ・ウッズの同僚であり、1977年のUFO遭遇事件の共同目撃者。事件後、マリオのアパートを訪れ、二人が見たものが同じであったことを確認したが、その後行方不明になり、捜索されている。
サージェント・ガーザ (Sergeant Garza): 1977年のUFO遭遇事件後、マリオとマイケルの位置を特定し、救助したセキュリティポリスの軍曹。
リチャード・ドティー (Richard Doty): 1977年の事件後、マリオのフライトサージャンの診察に立ち会っていた人物。UFO研究の世界では悪名高い人物として知られている。
ライアン・スプラグ (Ryan Sprague): マリオ・ウッズにインタビューを行ったホスト（聞き手）。
マリオン (Marion): マリオ・ウッズのインタビューのもう一人のホスト。
コル・スプレッヒャー (Colonel Sprecher): マリオ・ウッズが韓国への異動について相談した指揮官。
アール (Earl): マリオの遭遇地点「November 5」の近くに牧場を所有する地主の息子。彼の父親は事件当時、州兵であり、マリオとマイケルを探すよう指示されたことを覚えている。
ロバート・ヘイスティングス (Robert Hastings): マリオに催眠療法士を紹介した人物。核施設とUFOに関する研究で知られている。
ロバート・サラス (Robert Salas): マリオと同様に核施設でUAP遭遇を経験したことで知られる人物。AAROに証言する予定。
ジェレミー・マクガワン (Jeremy McGowan): "Tic Tac"事件の目撃者とされる人物。
ジェームズ・クレイグ (James Craig): スーパーチャットでマリオに質問を投げかけたリスナー。
スティーブン (Steven): Twitterでマリオに質問を投げかけたリスナー。
ケイシー (Casey): Twitterでマリオに質問を投げかけたリスナー。

Me:

「牛の奇妙な切断（パートナーも目撃、獣医も信じられないと証言）」について敷衍して。

ミサイルサイトでの異常事態というより大きな文脈において、提示された情報源は、奇妙な牛の切断について以下の事実を述べています。

1977年当時、デンバー・コロラドのチャンネルで働いていたリンダ・モルデンハウが牛の切断事件を調査していました。マリオ・ウッズと彼のパートナーであるマーク・ウェイドは、個人的にそのような牛の切断を2件目撃しています。

ラピッドシティにいるマリオの獣医は、切断された牛の1頭を検査しており、その検査後「信じられない」と証言しました。マリオと獣医はラピッドシティでこの件について話し合ったとのことです。情報源では、これらの事件の多くが「もみ消されている」と述べられています。

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（以下は Mario Woods という人物の証言動画を文字起こししたものです。長いので 2分割しています。聞き手は Ryan Sprague です。この内容を元に話者の Mario が体験した出来事を整理して。事実に基づかない話者の憶測や仮説、意見などは無視して。）

And that is none other than Mario Woods. Mario, welcome to Somewhere in the Skies. Hello, Ryan. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. You know, we have been trying to make this happen for a while now. We've been emailing back and forth for, I'd say, a little under a year now. Yeah. And we finally made it happen. So we're gonna make it worth it tonight, for sure. (1:37:23)

Well, good. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, for those who may not be familiar with the show Unidentified, I know you did another special on Discovery Plus sort of recently as well. Can you tell us a little about who you are? You know, we'll get to the military career aspect. But, yeah, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to our audience, who may not be familiar with you, if you don't mind. (1:37:48)

Okay. Well, my name is Mario Woods. I'm 67 years old. I live in Brunswick, Georgia. I work for a paper company now, Georgia Pacific. My hobbies are radio-controlled car racing, tactical shooting, physical fitness, just taking care of my property and just doing everything I can to continue onward in this journey. Right. Right. Well, I don't know how far you want me to expound on that or anything, or just, is that good enough? (1:38:22)

Oh, no, no, no. That's perfect, man. The journey is definitely what we're going to be talking about tonight. Well, let's start with your journey into the military. What compelled you to want to join the Air Force, if you don't mind? Well, honestly, I just always had a thing about aircraft and airplanes. But living in Tampa, Florida for as long as we did, you used to always see the launches from NASA across the state, you know, in Cocoa Beach. And it just always, you know, it just always enthused me, you know, aerials, you know, superiority, that kind of thing, and rockets and missiles and stuff like that. (1:39:04)

But my father was a merchant seaman and lost him my first day of my senior high school year. So I should have probably gone in the Navy. And instead, I just didn't want anything to have to do with the sea any longer. So even though I used to go to sea with him sometimes, so I decided to go in the Air Force. And I went in the security police and went on the security side of it, which was kind of like the security forces as it as is today. (1:39:34)

And went through all the training, even did some ranger training down in the Philippines and so forth. That was like 79. When they were trying to integrate Air Force into better modes and more secure modules of training. So it gave us a better leg to stand on. You know, I don't regret the journey. It was really, really great. And I'd do it again today if they'd have me. (1:40:01)

Gotcha. Well, I guess... What was your first stationing at Ellsworth Air Force Base? (1:40:11)

Yeah, after basic training in technical school, right? Air Base Ground Defense training. Yeah, that was my first base was Ellsworth Air Force Base. And it was really different. Here I am, an 18-year-old from Tampa, Florida. And all of a sudden, I'm in a missile complex in the middle of nowhere in South Dakota. So it was really different, but really eye-opening. Not really knowing what the global threat was. (1:40:39)

Only, you know, as a student hearing about it, you know, the Cold War or what have you. And then all of a sudden you're thrust into the middle of it. Where you, you know, there were times where I got to actually go down inside of a silo. And put my hands on a missile, you know, and just think, wow. I wanted to write something on it, but that's a federal office. (1:40:58)

You can't do it, you know. But I learned a great deal there. Wow, I can't even imagine, you know, the pressure that you and so many of the people on base had to deal with day to day. And first of all, thank you for your service before we go any further. My first question would be, what does the typical day of a security police officer look like? (1:41:25)

At a base like Ellsworth? I'm sure it would change day to day. But yeah, what was kind of the protocol of a day to day there? First of all, you know, even though Ellsworth was where you were assigned, that's just your support base. And these missile sites, you know, are spread throughout the northwestern side of South Dakota. As in Montana, as in Wyoming, as in North Dakota. And anyway, our base had 150 missiles, as the other bases did also. (1:41:56)

And then you live on these launch control facilities for three days at a time, then you're off for three days. But you live there and your hours rotate per shift or per tour of duty, we used to call it, were like 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. And there, you know, staffing wise on a launch control facility, you have six security police officers, four of which are response personnel, two are flight security controllers. (1:42:22)

You have a facility manager, a cook, and you have four officers there, and two of which are underground at all times. You're manning the capsule, the launch control capsule. So then you monitor based on their dispatches, you know, and you do LF checks, launch facility checks, to any and all missile sites, and of course address any and all security related alarms that go off. (1:42:47)

And they do go off. So in terms of going off, now we're going to get to the main event that will be the crux of the conversation tonight. But had you ever had any other incidents occur non-UFO related on the base during your time there? Not on the base, no. I mean, of course, you're hearsay. My first experience with anything that... flying, which was with my mother and my sister, was in Port Arthur, Texas, being taken to my elementary school, Duquesne Elementary, where my mother pointed out, along with about 1,500 other people, I'd say, well, maybe not that many, maybe 800, all the kids in the playground, all the teachers hanging out of windows. (1:43:34)

It was a one... it was a building where you went to school from kindergarten to 12th grade. (1:43:40)

And I'd say that was probably right around 61, 66, yeah, 61, 62. I was just... that was my first year going to school, kindergarten or first grade, I can't quite remember. But there were three objects sitting over top of a church, only about 50 feet in the air, and they were in a white silver and had a lower circulating light. And my mother pointed them out. She said, look, Anthony, there's flying saucers. That's my middle name. (1:44:08)

And we were just so astonished. All the cars in front of us were stopped, which was probably six or eight cars. And then the playground area, which was directly across the street from the school itself, was fenced off. So it was an entire playground area. It's still there today. I saw it just in... back in 08. And I just stood there and thought about that. The church is no longer there and the school's been redesigned. (1:44:32)

But that morning was really, really unbelievable because we just couldn't believe what we saw and how fast they vanished straight up, all three at the same time. You know, they were probably 75, 80 foot in diameter. And this is a five, six year old kid telling you this. So I don't know if it leaves much room for imagination when you've never seen something like that before. (1:44:53)

So it's pretty much pretty factual, exactly what we saw. And, you know, and once they were gone, this is the weirdest thing. Robert Hastings even said this to me, that a lot of times people witness something. And as soon as it's gone, it's like, okay, it's all normal. It's okay. And that's the way that day went, exactly the way it went. Interesting. You do hear that a lot, you know, particularly... I did a investigation recently for a TV show on the Phoenix Lights incident. (1:45:23)

Oh yeah. And a lot of those witnesses claimed the same thing after what they saw. It was like something in their brain just shut down and they didn't want to talk about it. Or they had some sort of like instant amnesia or there was something that just compelled them to move on and not react to what had just occurred. It's fascinating. I do wonder often, you know, is that some sort of, as Jacques Vallée would say, a control mechanism of the craft you're actually seeing or what? (1:45:56)

Yeah, I really think so. I do. I spoke with one guy out there and I don't want his name mentioned or anything, but by email. And he said, you know, he witnessed that and he was there and he had some pictures. I tried to get him to send me the pictures, but he didn't want to send me pictures over the internet. You know, people are strange about that. (1:46:16)

But anyway, he said they were having a party in his backyard and I don't know, birthday party or something for his daughter. (1:46:24)

And that happened. And why he elected to tell me about that, I don't know. He had seen one of the podcasts, I think, with someone and he just thought my email was there and he thought he would get in touch with me and he did. But he said it was as if, okay, it's over. Everybody goes back to the party. Nobody even discussed it, which I found extremely strange. (1:46:44)

But that's the way it is. Yeah, right. I know. I've come across hundreds of those at this point. Speaking of emails, you're probably going to get a bunch after this interview. I'm already warning you. I try to answer everybody I can, you know, I have nothing to hide. I'm too old to worry about any of this other mess. I don't have any clearances any longer. (1:47:05)

So, you know, you can ask anything you want. Well, we appreciate that. The more military personnel that come forward, I think it really elevates the conversation. It does make people stop and listen. You know, you are trained observers. Your jobs are literally to look for threats at these installations. And they're happening at an alarming rate. And they cannot be explained. I guess let's just dive into it. (1:47:37)

You know, let's rip the Band-Aid off, Mario. This event that happened to you, 1977 Ellsworth Air Force Base. I want to give you the time to just tell it as you'd like. You know, I know you've done it before, but this is your time to kind of just run us through it. You know, from, I guess, start to finish. There's kind of a tangential aspect to your story in terms of the missing time, which I'd like to cover separately, if that's okay with you. (1:48:08)

Sure. But yeah, maybe just run us through what happened in 1977 at the base. Okay. Well, first of all, it was our first day out being taken from the main base of Ellsworth out to November 1, which is where I was assigned at the time. And I was working with a new partner named Michael Johnson. And he was working vacation relief for my normal partner. (1:48:33)

And being that he outranked me, he was the team leader by like two months. So anyway, it was nice to meet him and a real nice fellow. And I believe he said he was from Chicago, Illinois, but I'm not positive. Hopefully, we'll make contact with him in the future. And we've been trying for years. Anyhow, it was maybe 9.15, 9.20 at night. I just stepped outside. (1:49:01)

You know, this site is in the middle of a prairie. The closest town is Newell, South Dakota. And it's about eight and a half miles away to the south. And more south to that is Sturgis, which many people are familiar with. And that's a launch control facility right there where we lived. It looks like November 1. Of course, they all look alike. I hope it is November 1. I believe it is, if I did my research. (1:49:25)

Yeah. And I was out there last year in September, which was... No, July, which was really cool. (1:49:31)

Anyway. So I walked out in the front of this building, which is just standing outside. And the only town north of that is Belfouche, about 29 miles to the north. And then you have the North Dakota state border on beyond that. But anyway, over to the east, which would be to the right side of this picture, I stepped out in the parking lot to smoke a cigarette and just to stretch my legs. (1:49:56)

I smoked then. And I saw an object at about a 30 degree elevation in the sky. And I was kind of confused by it because it was so large and it was so bright, but it was a different intensity of light than I've ever seen before. I honestly thought it was two B-52 bombers, which we supported a strategic bomber squadron at Ellsworth Air Force Base. They're already ready to go. (1:50:23)

I mean, that's what they do. And that's what Ellsworth was, that and missiles. And I honestly thought that's what they were because sometimes they'll fly these sorties, you know, where they're training flights, but they get really, really low, like 300, 400 feet off the ground and they're just ripping. And, you know, I mean, they have some really big lights on them. I've never seen that kind of light, but that's what I thought they were. (1:50:46)

Maybe they were in tandem behind each other or something. It was so strange that it kept my attention. The other thing was, I didn't know if it was coming directly toward me or moving. It wasn't moving away from me, so I really couldn't see that it wasn't stationary. That's why I thought it was coming toward me, and I couldn't really detect that, you know, visually. (1:51:05)

And I'd say it was probably, you know, seven, eight miles away, maybe more. But it was very large. In relationship to large, I'd say it's like looking at a quarter of a moon, a diameter of a moon or something, you know? Yeah, it was bright like that. And anyway, I don't even know what came over me. It was up there for such a period of time. (1:51:31)

I thought, well, I'll just try what they do at sea. You know, my father taught me and showed me how they used to use the ship's lights to, you know, to flash other lights, other ships for communication. So, I ran inside my buddy Bill Holloman. He was on the phone. He was talking to his wife back at Ellsworth. And I said, Bill, there's something out here I wish you'd take a look at. (1:51:55)

And he just kind of waved me off. And so, I just walked up to the panel and it was just one switch control, 12 to 14 lights around the facility. And they were all these two-foot diameter can lights, you know, that illuminate the perimeter and the building. And I flipped them off, flipped them on. No sequence, no SOS or anything like that, just for fun. (1:52:17)

Just flip, flip, flip, flip, flip. (1:52:18)

I went back outside and it flipped off and flipped back on. Now, yeah, and I went, well, that's different, you know, immediately. Then I thought helicopters, you know, because there's a lot of times, you know, we had helicopters doing trips that come out to the sites or to LCS or to the LS. Dropping off people or bringing a maintenance team or something, emergency configuration or anything. (1:52:45)

But anyway, so I ran back inside excited. And as I went back in, I told Michael Johnson, my team leader at the time. I said, Hey, Michael, come out here and check this out, man. I said, I flipped lights at this object, at this thing, and it flipped the lights back. He didn't even really pay any mind to me. And he was watching the TV on our three channels that we had there in 77. So you can imagine what that number is TV. But so I did it again and went back outside and it went off and came back on. (1:53:18)

And I thought, what is this? You know, and when it went back off, it moved. And I couldn't, I didn't know that at the time. So I got, I got Michael Johnson. I said, you got to come out here and see this. So he came outside and he sees the light or he sees it, the object, the light. And it had moved a little bit further north, but I think it had gotten a little bit closer compared to where it was. (1:53:45)

And so I went back inside again. I said, hold on a minute. I flashed the lights at it again, same sequence, ran back outside. Nothing happened. All of a sudden it went off and it didn't come back on. So that was three times. And now it was about five minutes or so to 10. And he just said, you know, like whatever, you know, he didn't really make a comment or anything. (1:54:09)

And as I said, we didn't really know each other. So, you know, I'm inquisitive anyway. And it just, it just seemed that really sparked my interest for some reason. And anyway, I like flying on helicopters. And I thought, well, that's really a new ploy there with these helicopters they're doing. So anyway, go back inside. I said, well, I guess the show's over. And went back inside, sat down, picked up a book or something, started reading it and watching some TV. Remember, it used to go off at midnight and you'd get those really strange characters and everything on your TV. So I guess it was about 12.30, somewhere right in that time. (1:54:50)

And the MCC phone or LCC phone went off in the flight security controller's office. And it's a direct line between the flight security controller and the missile combat crew down below. And when it went off, it just, it's a phone that it doesn't ring like a normal phone. It just says, answer me now. (1:55:11)

It won't stop until you pick it up. So you have to pick it up. And anyway, I heard the officer there telling Bill Allman, he said, let's just sit for at November 5. And I thought, well, that's weird. We hardly ever got those. That was an outer and inner zone alarm. And they're different than the standard thing we go out when there's a bird or something flying through the antenna array or something like that. (1:55:38)

So anyway, we got our briefing and everything. From the capsule crew. And whenever it's that level of alarm, back at Ellsworth, you have the communication center there that really oversees SWSC, wing security control. They like monitor any and all alarms going on or anything on base too. So they have a dual purpose. But anyway, they were aware of it. And they, of course, gave us a safety briefing as well. (1:56:10)

So we got all of our stuff together, our codes and our weapons and loaded up everything. And it was about 9 to 13 degrees outside. And yeah, we had F-154 pickup trucks and they were just two wheel drive trucks. And we had, of course, we had a front end loader, a Caterpillar front end loader on the site in case, you know, we needed to dig out of there, which did happen a few times, but not all the time. (1:56:35)

But anyway, so we responded after our safety briefing and everything. Our travel time was probably about 12 to 14 minutes from November 1 to November 5. And so we got in the vehicle and he's operating the vehicle, he's the driver. And we pull out of the gate, go down to the first intersection, which all these are clay roads out there that are just as, they're some better than highway roads. (1:57:03)

They really maintain the roads and these clay roads. So we take a left, go to the next intersection on the left and go off the Highway 79, which is about four and a half miles away. And as you're traveling the dirt road or the clay road up to Highway 79, the roadbeds are elevated for snow runoff and water and what have you. And mind you, you're at a mile high, this is nothing but pure prairie land there. (1:57:30)

And so as we rolled up to 79, I just looked over to my right, which would have been about the four o'clock position now as we rolled up on the highway. And as we did, I looked to my right and I see this really strange glow miles away, but from that area of November 5. And I thought, you got to be kidding me. How strange is that? (1:57:54)

You know what's going on by these missile sites normally because you traverse them so much, you check them so often. And as soon as we made that right turn on the Highway 79, which goes downhill toward Newell, I told Michael, I said, dude, just like that, that's that object sitting on November 5. And he just says, oh, whatever, man. It just went right over him. He didn't believe me. (1:58:20)

So from that four o'clock position, it now moved to about the two o'clock position visually, and it was just pulsating. (1:58:26)

Well, the further we went down toward Newell, it was downhill, so I lost the sight of that pulsation. And we came to the stop sign in Newell on Ormond Road, still there today, and there's one stop sign and there's one stoplight in Newell. And the stoplight's straight ahead, and you take a right on Ormond Road toward November 5. And population today, 624 or something. (1:58:56)

Population then was 234 in 1977. Yeah, so it's a real small town, but it's really nice people there. And so we turned right, and as we went out, it was paved road, and about a mile and a half into it, it drops back off on the clay. But it doglegs to the left, which is important. I really couldn't see it until then. But we dropped off of that pavement and back onto the dirt, and it went to the left. (1:59:18)

And there sat this object on top of November 5 that dwarfed the site. Ten feet in the air, no noise, no hard edges, no protrusions, no engines, nothing that I can even explain aeronautically how it could be doing what it's doing. And we pulled up directly in front of that site and that object. Probably, I guess, the cattle gate, which ranchers have to keep their cows from coming out onto the highway to the roads. (1:59:53)

That's where we stopped at a 45 degree angle, which was a tactical position with a pickup truck. It's laughable today, but that's what we did then. This object was so large that if you can picture a ball over a square area, the diameter of it was so large, really, that the pickup truck was somewhat not covered by it. The edges of that diameter were just not far away at all, just 50 so feet, I guess. (2:00:32)

I don't know. I mean, it was just so large, you couldn't see the top of it, obviously. From far away, you can see the top or the full circumference of it, but underneath it, you couldn't. I don't know what came over me, but it seemed as if... I looked at Michael Johnson, and he was bathed in some kind of a light, like a bluish white glow behind him. (2:00:59)

He was on the steering wheel, just like this, just stuck to that steering wheel. For some reason, I knew that we needed help. We were in full parkas, flat pants, mittens. I had my mittens on. I had one on and the other one off. Anyway, the only thing I knew to do, I had to ask for relief. We couldn't breathe. It was as if the interior of that vehicle was being vacuumed out, and we were in it. (2:01:34)

I can smell the air. Every time I talk about this thing, I can smell the air right now. It's like electrified or something, like ionized. I don't know what else to say about that. Anyway, we had those old Western mirrors on these vehicles, those big aluminum mirrors. (2:01:56)

With my mitten off on my right hand, I pull myself up onto the window sill. I'm 22 years old, and I'm in some of the best shape of my life. And while I didn't get out, I was literally afraid, and my partner wouldn't say anything. I pulled myself out onto that window sill, and I took my mag light, and I held onto the bubble with my right mitten, my left mitten, and I flashed this thing. (2:02:20)

I just flashed my mag light at it. What difference or what really did that mean? That little, that decel mag light to this object that's the size of a Walmart building. I flashed that light in no sequence again, three or four times, and I slithered back down in that seat, and I put my M16 between my legs, and I just remember putting my head down, and all of a sudden, I could breathe again. (2:02:49)

Just that way, I could breathe again, but it was labored. But I could breathe, and it seemed as if tunnel vision came upon me, and I was just going in like this, and as I did, I turned to my right. I felt such fear to my right, because all you have is a piece of glass, right? I rolled the window up, and as I did, I see these shadowy figures on my right side approaching me. (2:03:21)

And what got my attention was, in the midsection of the one being, and they're not creatures, they're beings, and these are beings. This is no... they are beings. There was something in the waistband, or some kind of a band, that had a yellowish glowing tip on it. And then, there was a tall one. It was four total. The tall one in the back was substantially taller. (2:03:50)

It had a different feature. Now, I couldn't see it real clear. I mean, I don't know how to describe this kind of vision, but the three in the front looked identical, or their shadows were the same, or their... the way they looked were the same. But the one in the back, he had this thing right here on his chest, but it was at a really strange shape, and it glowed, and it stuck out. (2:04:16)

It wasn't just in him, it stuck out. And then, I closed my eyes. I guess, everything just went black. I don't know what happened to Michael Johnson. I don't know if anything was on that side of the vehicle, or he saw anything. He never indicated that he did. He never spoke. (2:04:40)

The last time that he spoke, during all of this, up to this point, was when he said, whatever man, up on Highway 79, when we first arrived on 79. I don't remember the radio going off, or anything like that. And just as that happened, I opened my eyes, and I'm in total blackness. It was as if you walk into a... I don't know, just total blackness. (2:05:07)

And I was trying to gather myself as to really what happened, and where I was, and just everything about me, and just being, I guess. (2:05:19)

And I reached down, and I popped the door open. And I stepped out, and when I stepped out, my vision started to come to me. And I had on bunny boots, which are an inflatable boot that you use in winter time to keep your feet warm, especially in temperatures well below zero, and use them on aircraft carriers. It's an issued item. Anyway, I stepped out in mud, and I couldn't figure out well, the ground's frozen. (2:05:53)

It's been below freezing for a week and a half, or something, two weeks. I don't really know. And it was just a very strange step out in mud. And as I looked, all of a sudden, this white wall comes into focus. It wasn't a wall straight up and down, like the ground is straight up and down. It was at an angle. And as I looked to my right, which I would have been looking north, it was as far as I could see. (2:06:19)

When I looked the opposite direction, to the south, it was as far as I could see. I still didn't know where that was. And all of a sudden, the radio cracked to life. And I just kind of looked over, just shaking my head. I said, where's November 5? And then I said, Michael, are you going to get that? He didn't answer me. He was locked onto that steering wheel like he was paralyzed on that steering wheel. (2:06:47)

And his eyes were just huge. He was breathing. But he had nothing coming out of him as far as talking. He wouldn't even utter. I mean, nothing. I couldn't get anything out of him. I moved him. I pushed him. I did everything I could do to try to... Hey, man, what's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? And I couldn't get anything out of him. (2:07:12)

I answered the radio. I was a senior airman at the time. WSC was calling us. I said, Senior Airman Woods, it's November 1. I said, go ahead, CSC, like that. And they said, what's your location? And I just said, sir, I don't know. And I said, my team leader. I said, he is not responding. They asked me if he's conscious. And I said, yes, I was wide open. (2:07:38)

And we went through that for a second. He goes, I need you to do one minute security checks with me until we find you. We're triangulating your location. And of course, I wasn't familiar with that. I'd heard about it in training in security police, but I'd never done it before. Like I said, I was just 22 years old. Anyway, so they were looking for us. (2:08:04)

So I did just what he said. In the meantime, I tried to wake up. Michael Johnson is still trying to figure out where we were. Why I wasn't standing in this mud, which I had gone around the vehicle now. And the vehicle was pointing to the south. (2:08:18)

And what was strange was that just outside that driver's side door, maybe four feet directly away from it, was a great big downhill into another lake or something. I didn't know where we were to start with, but it was a big, huge lake, but it was frozen. And I thought, how do we get here? What are we doing here? So I kept doing the security checks. (2:08:45)

And finally, I see these lights come over the horizon. How they found us, I still don't know how to do all that today. But there was a Sergeant Garza that approached me, that approached us first. And there were two other vehicles. So they had three backup alert teams looking for us. And so that's six security policemen. And anyway, as he pulled up, he pulled maybe 20 yards from where we were located, and he got out and he walked through the lights and I saw him coming. (2:09:15)

And our lights, I can't even remember, our lights were off. I mean, our vehicle was off. And I said, hey, Sergeant Garza, I said, what's going on? You know, I mean, you almost make you feel like you've done something wrong. That's what they always try to do, to make you, you did something wrong. Well, I knew something was wrong because I dang sure didn't go, I didn't strike that site as I was supposed to. (2:09:40)

And it was a set four, which was a serious alarm. Strike means respond and find out what the cause was. I never got to go on the site. I never left the vehicle. And my job was to go on to the facility, do an internal, you know, patrol around the inside of the fence, go down below ground on a soft support building and see if anybody's there or what happened. (2:10:03)

But the alarm was on another plug that goes down to the missile, which we don't have. We have access to just one part of it. Nobody has access to all of it. But anyway, he approached me, he said, Mario, he goes, he just sit there, he said, I can't talk to you about it. We're here to take you back November 1. I said, oh, OK. I said, well, man, I said, I don't even know what happened. (2:10:26)

He said, he wouldn't, he wouldn't say anything. So, and at this point, this is where Unidentified said, they relieved us of our weapons. That never happened. They never took our weapons. And I found that as an insult, to be honest with you, you know. But I guess that's production of some kind that I didn't agree with. Should have asked me that first, but... That's TV, unfortunately. (2:10:53)

Yeah, yeah, that's controller crap, man. But I, never mind, I won't say anymore. But anyway, I asked him, I said, I need some help with Michael Johnson. I said, I don't know, he's in a catatonic state. And I don't even know what the word truly meant back then, but I do now. (2:11:10)

And we unbelted him. We didn't have shoulder harnesses. We just had seat belts at that time in 77 and these F-150 boards. Slid him over to the passenger side, belted him back in, got in the vehicle. And to this day, I didn't know exactly where we were, you know, at that time. And about 15 minutes later, we pulled up November 1. And we were driving through areas that I just, I didn't even know about, you know. (2:11:38)

And that was part of my area and I'd just never been in it before. There's no missile sites where we were, let's put it that way. And so we get to November 1 and there the flight chief, the assistant flight chief and others are there. Questioning us and I immediately had to have help from Michael Johnson. Well, they immediately separated us and the off-duty capsule crew, they were upstairs. (2:12:03)

And they were assisting and talking, trying to talk to Michael Johnson. And they took me into the day room, took him in the back bedroom because he was non-responsive verbally. I mean, they just, he would walk, but they just led him to where he was going. I remember watching him walk through the kitchen area, you know, our dining area and back into the back hallway. (2:12:26)

And so I sat down and they started asking me questions. And I, you know, and I said, well, I said, that object that I saw last night, I said, that was at November 5. I remember saying that. And of course that went right over everybody's heads. You know, the only person that really knew about it was Bill Holloman. And he was in flight security control and he didn't come out and see it. (2:12:51)

But anyway, so they started asking me questions. I answered questions for probably 20, 30 minutes. My flight chief was there. The assistant flight chief was back with Michael. And I just told him everything that I saw and what I experienced and then, you know, what I did with the lights. And how I did that and never responded to this, never went on to the site as I was supposed to. (2:13:14)

Which had to create a problem. That had to be, that had to be a problem. So they had, they had to go find out what caused that at that facility to someone else. And I never found out who did it. Somebody had to go strike that site. And so I just had to get away from, I just, I just said, hey, I need to go to the restroom. (2:13:36)

And I didn't, I just, I just needed to get away from everybody for a minute because they were just pounding me with questions. And I couldn't think fast enough. And I was just, I was just just in disarray. I think I wasn't myself. And I went into the restroom, which was really strange because I, I was, I went, I went in this one stall. (2:13:58)

It was two stalls in this restroom and I was just out there and I couldn't believe it. (2:14:02)

The first thing I did when I got to the site was I went in that stall. Well, it's all torn up right now, but I just had to walk in that bathroom because, I mean, that was a really strange time. But I went in there and sat down on top of the toilet, just sat there, fully uniformed, everything. And just held my head in my hands. (2:14:20)

And all of a sudden, I felt as if I was leaving my body. And I was leaving it, going, I thought I was dying, I guess. And I went, I was going out the top of my head, down through my stomach and out of my feet. Literally, I mean, I knew the path I was taking and how I've never heard of anything like that before. (2:14:43)

I've never felt anything like that before. I didn't complete whatever, whatever was happening to me because I opened my eyes and I see these four furry feet walking by the stall door. It was a German Shepherd drug dog. And I said, hey man, I said, hey boy, or whatever. And then the law enforcement guy, which is the other side of security police, is law enforcement, L.E. L.E. and S.P.s. He goes, hey Mario. I said, man, my bag's out there in the day room. (2:15:21)

He said, we already checked it. He said, it's all good. I just want to come check on you. How you doing? And I said, I don't even know. And I didn't relay to him what I was feeling right then. But I was glad he came in there because I don't know how far that could have taken me. Because really, I honestly felt as if I was leaving my body. (2:15:40)

I mean, even my vision changed. Things got super, super light. I mean, bright and light. But that was a really strange thing. So anyway, we were there for probably another hour, hour and 15 minutes. And they had another armed response team come out, I guess from Ellsworth. They relieve us because, you know, it has to be staffed no matter what. Mission one, right? (2:16:06)

So, you know, you have to have six security police. You can't just send two away without replacement. So our relief came and we were escorted back to the base. He rode with the assistant flight chief and I rode with Master Sergeant Gray back to Ellsworth. And when we got to Ellsworth, we went to the SATAF building, which was our security operations building. And CSC worked out of that building in a hardened facility. (2:16:35)

And directly to Colonel Spraker's office, which he was my squadron commander at the time. The base commander was there and there was a flight chief there of another flight from a different area. Because it wasn't just my incident, there were other incidents out there too. But anyway, I guess they wanted a full debrief on all that was going on. But anyway, OSI was there and there was also another man in a suit with a hat. (2:17:10)

And I didn't, I wasn't introduced to any of these people. (2:17:14)

Just the military people I knew. But there was a young OSI trainee there named Richard Doty. And he's appeared on several of these shows. And I've been trying to contact Richard Doty because he was in my interview. And not only was he in my interview, but he also went to the flight surgeon's office after I arrived there. So medically, he was there. And in the very beginning, he was there just as an observer, I guess. (2:17:46)

I don't know, but he had an officer that was, you know, over him. And so I've tried emailing him. I've tried texting him. I've tried calling this guy. Everything possible. I've tried to go through Linda Moulton Howe. Everybody that I've come in contact with has said, I need to speak with Richard Doty. I can't get him anywhere. Wow, that name is infamous in the UFO world. (2:18:08)

That really took me by surprise, Mario. I'm sorry. Wow. And I wonder why. I never did anything to him. Never really knew him. But he was there by God. He's one person that was there. And then there was some other incidents later, which he talked about. But he knows of my incident in 77. Mine and Michael Johnson's. And I would really like to have that backup because we can't find Michael Johnson anywhere. (2:18:37)

And there's been substantial monies spent, investigations, just trying to find him. I thought he said he was from Chicago, Illinois, but we haven't had any luck locating him. Or in any media, you know, I mean, every platform there is. I've joined them to get it out there. Even Together We Served and other friends of mine that may have known him that I served with. (2:19:03)

Gotcha. Two questions for you, Mario, before we move on, if that's all right. I know, so after this debriefing, which that is quite a room of individuals to be debriefing to. There were a few more there, too. Okay. My first question for that is, were you told to be quiet about this? We always hear about that in my second question. I believe it was unidentified that said that you did speak to Mario or excuse me, you spoke to yourself. (2:19:35)

You did speak to Michael Johnson one time after the event. Two weeks later. Okay. So first question, were you told to be silent about this? And second, what was said between you and Michael after the event, if you don't mind me asking? Well, there's a two week span in there. And if I can go from the commander's office, when that was finished talking about per se, I had to write a preliminary report on a security police blotter, which, you know, back then there was, you know, we didn't have any computers or anything like that. Everything was done by typewriter. (2:20:12)

But I hand wrote on this form and it was three pages. And of course it, it, it makes three copies. So you have to use a number two, Skillcraft pens. (2:20:22)

They mandate a number two Skillcraft pen. Of course you can take apart your M16 with it and everything else, but that's a number two Skillcraft pen black that I had to use for that report. So it was about three pages. And then from that point, then I went to the flight surgeon's office. And then that examination took about an hour, hour and 50 minutes, maybe. (2:20:42)

And Richard Doty was there for that too. As was the guy in the hat and the suit and a couple of other officers and a nurse. There were, I think there were five people there total, but Richard Doty was there for that also. And during the ears, nose, eyes, throat, you know, normal stuff checked. They didn't take blood from me, which I was, which I was kind of surprised, but I guess there was no reason to. (2:21:10)

But they did, the flight surgeon said, he goes, I need to take a couple of skin samples. And that just totally took me by surprise. I said, what do you mean skin samples? He said, well, your face is burned on the right side. Well, that made sense because, you know, my beret comes down in a certain way, you know, but it makes sense. (2:21:34)

And then my right, the back of my right hand was burned where I didn't have a mitten on. So, right above my right eye, he took a skin sample from up here. I think he took more than one, put a small band-aid up there. And then he took some off the back of my right hand around these knuckle areas right here. And I didn't even know I had sunburn. (2:21:54)

Now, I felt it the next day and the next couple of days. But of course, being from Tampa, Florida, I hadn't been to the beach in a long time. So, you know, when you're living in South Dakota, you just seem to lose that resiliency and you will sunburn. So, anyway, so they took those skin samples and, or he did, put them into two separate vials. (2:22:16)

And then they released me to go back to the commander's office, which I had a further debrief. And then I was told, you know, could not discuss this with anybody. And at the time I was working on November 1 and had been there for several years. The other thing was they moved me from November 1 to Kelo 1, which was further out to the west toward almost to the Wyoming border. (2:22:38)

And November was still part of that configuration, of course, but that was all the 68th area. You had the 68th, 67th and 66th area all the way down to the Badlands. But anyway, so I worked there with a guy named Mark Wade, but he's a good friend of mine. But two weeks later, I'm in an apartment in Rapid City is where I lived. (2:23:09)

And Michael Johnson, who I, as I said, I've never known before, he knocked on my door. (2:23:15)

I didn't, I had no idea and opened the door. I said, Michael. I said, man, it's good to see you because I hadn't seen him since that happened and hadn't talked to him. And I think he lived in the barracks on base. And he said, man, I just have to come talk to you about what we saw. And I said, by all means, come on in. (2:23:31)

And so he sat down and right away, the first thing he did, I gave him some paper, you know, just a 9 by 11 or 8 by 11 note sheet. And I said, here's a pencil and a pen or pencil or you want a pen? I said, you sit here and I'm going to go sit over there and the dining room table. And I said, let's draw what we saw. (2:23:49)

And we both drew basically the same thing. And he said he didn't know what happened to him, but whatever it was, it just took him over. You know, he didn't say if he saw anyone, he didn't say or saw a being or anything. He never said that to me, but he said he had never seen anything like that. And he was scared literally to death. (2:24:11)

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And I said, did you hear me talking to you? He said, no. So, you know, that's the way that went, basically. And he visited for about an hour and then he left. And that's the last time I ever saw him or heard from him again. Now, I did have his address, where he was from. That's why I came up with Chicago, Illinois. And I thought I'd placed it in my Bible. But I have moved probably several hundred times since 1977. And gone overseas and everything else. (2:24:42)

And I took my Bible with me, so I don't know where I could have lost it at. I sure wish I could contact him today because I would feel complete. Right now, I just feel as if I'm out here. I mean, it's incredible what happened. And there's a lot more to it. I don't even know what else to say. But I wish that we were sitting side by side, discussing it in front of anybody. (2:25:11)

Right. I know it would give you a clearer picture. And, you know, I know these fractured sort of memories. You're searching for answers. You're trying to find closure on this very traumatic event that happened to you. If I can just say this, going back to when they discovered us where we were. Unbeknownst to me, we were on the back side of the Newell Lake Reservoir Dam. Completely opposite where November 5 was. (2:25:44)

And when I plotted that, the entire journey on a map. From November 1, November 5 to Newell Lake Reservoir Dam. And back to November 1, it's the Pythagorean Triangle. It's really amazing. It really is. And, you know, from November 5 to where we were was about 11 miles. (2:26:05)

From November 5 to Newell Lake Reservoir was about 11 miles. And then from Newell Lake Reservoir to November 1 was about 8 miles. And so it's really a strange configuration. But what is it with water? And I originally think standing out in that parking lot when I went back with Discovery Plus. Knowing what I know now, that craft or that object was over top of that reservoir. (2:26:34)

So we're talking, you know, originally over the nuclear installation and then over water. I originally saw it over water, then a nuclear site, and then dropped me off where the water was. You're so right, Mario. I mean, so many of these cases happen over bodies of water. I've got hundreds of them, reports in my files. And my own personal UFO sighting happened over a lake. (2:27:05)

So I can definitely relate in many aspects. Well, okay. Wow. There's so much to unpack. But I do want to move to the missing time aspect. Now, you're talking 11 mile distance, hours of missing time. We're not talking a couple minutes like some people claim. Five hours. Five hours. Incredible. We should have arrived there right around 1 a.m. Our travel time wasn't but 15 minutes from 1230. And so when Sergeant Garza got to me, I just looked to the east and the sun was rising. (2:27:45)

I mean, it was getting light. And I was like, where am I? What happened? Let's talk about that. What happened? Now, many years passed, and I know you really wanted to know what happened in that gap of time. And like many who have had UFO experiences, there's different ways to try to retrieve those memories. But a very popular approach is hypnosis. Some people believe in it. Some think it's complete bunk. (2:28:17)

But this is what you decided to do. I would love to know what compelled you to finally want to retrieve these memories. And who was the one to put you under hypnosis? Unless that's confidential. I'd be happy to give it to you, but I prefer him tell me that would be okay. He's a MUFON investigator and very well known. Actually, Robert Hastings suggested him. (2:28:51)

He came to my home, and we did this. I'd never been hypnotized before. Not thinking I even could be. But somehow he got me there. And it was really a strange experience because some things did come to light that I had no idea of. And maybe it harbors some of the feelings that I've had ever since then about certain things, such as lights in my room or lights that I can see at night. (2:29:22)

I don't know what it is, but if there's a little LED light or some kind of small light coming off of something, I've got to cover it. I don't like any small lights at all. I don't know where that comes from, but I had to deal with a few things that I saw. This is where I really got a good look at what these beings were and how they looked. (2:29:50)

And also a couple of areas either in the craft or wherever I was that I was taken to. (2:29:58)

And some of the stuff that was done. And the most, I don't want to say scariest, but the most misunderstanding that I have is about being in something, not knowing if I'm clothed or not. And that's a real strange feeling to not know if you've got your clothes on or not. But I was in a gel of some kind that was black. Or to me, it was black. Maybe it's just because I was in the dark. I don't know. (2:30:28)

But it was super thick kind of gelatin that was everywhere. I don't know if my head was under it or what, but my body was submerged in it. And I just had a feeling of complete aloneness and dread. And I've never experienced that in my life. And it bothers me about it. It bothers me thinking about that today. The only other time that happened, I was on top of a mountain in Mexico on a motorcycle one time. (2:31:00)

And I was all by myself and I was above the clouds. And all of a sudden, I think there's some kind of phobia about being completely alone with no other human contact. So I probably wouldn't be a good astronaut. I'd like to try it, but I don't think I could. But that fear made me think about that because I felt a lot of pain in my right wrist. (2:31:21)

Something was being done in my right wrist. But I think the most rememberable feeling was that I don't know if I was freaking out. I don't know if I don't really know exactly what my actions were. But one of these beings laid their hand on my shoulder right here. And it came, I don't know how long the fingers were, but it came down about right here on me. (2:31:50)

I just felt this hand. It was super light. It didn't feel like a human hand. You know how that feels as I do. But it felt completely different. And I can feel that. I can put my hand on it sometimes and I swear I think I can feel it. And I was going away from my vehicle and I was on my back. And when the door was closed on the passenger side of our vehicle, and I felt as if I was about four foot in the air. (2:32:24)

But I poked my head up and I see U.S. Air Force on the side of our vehicle. These are dark blue vehicles with gold letters on the side of them. And when I did, that's when this hand touched me here and I laid my head back down. And I kept hearing inside of me, not verbally, do not fear. Do not fear. And that was something that was said throughout the entire experience. (2:32:55)

I don't know what else was said, but I remember that quite well. Do not fear. Well, and you know, I'm going to be honest, Mario. In the past, I don't know, maybe eight, ten years, the idea of hypnosis has been something that I have struggled with when it comes to retrieving memories on these types of experiences. (2:33:22)

However, I have watched the available video of your hypnosis session. What has been made available, whether it's in documentary or whatnot. And it is clear, A, by the person conducting the hypnosis, they were not leading. They were extremely, what's the word, caring of the state you were in, which was clearly traumatic, you can tell in the hypnosis. And they weren't leading you at all. (2:34:05)

And to me, my gut reaction is, you were completely genuine in what you were remembering and feeling. So, that being said, I mean, the fact that these are the memories that came forward of these beings, of these sort of telepathic messages you were given. How do you deal with that? I'm just going to ask straight up, how do you wrestle with the notion that within that missing time at this military installation and this event, that this, what we're staring at right now, these images of these beings, might have been the cause of all of this. How do you cope with that every day? (2:34:44)

It never goes away. I'll tell you that right now. There's no time when I'm not looking up. I get up really early for work. And I just watch the skies. And living right here on the East Coast, you see a few things every now and then, but it just never goes away. That feeling, my shoulder, the do not fear. I mean, literally, when I stood at November 5, when I was there with Discovery, it broke me completely down, man. (2:35:23)

I was under the impression that at any moment, all of a sudden, they could just materialize right there on top of that site again. And now there's a cattle processing facility built on top of November 5. When the government, when they mothballed the whole area, they left the fences up. The sites were built upward, so no water or anything would collect on them. (2:35:44)

And so the ranchers used that property because the property was leased, you know, where these missile sites were located for 99 years. And so I guess they gave it to the ranchers at that time, but this guy chose to build on top of it. But that, I have no words for that. We just can't comprehend that yet. I don't care what the military is doing or what we may have in crash retrievals or any kind of technology we have. (2:36:15)

The normal human being to confront something like this. And I had a weapon on you. I had no intention of bearing that weapon. I don't even think I could pull a trigger. That's how incapacitated you literally are for your very being, your very survival of what's happening to you. Because it's completely out of your realm of all possibilities. People, we can say, oh, I'd go right up and I'd knock on the door. (2:36:47)

Yeah, you'd probably crawl out of your skin and go the other way like a jellyfish. I mean, there's just no way around it. (2:36:54)

You know, the technology gap is just something that we're not even prepared for yet. And I do wrestle with it quite a bit. And that's been 44 years ago, 43, 44 years ago now. And it never goes away. It's as clear today as it was then when it occurred. I just wish I could find Michael Johnson. Hey, we're going to keep trying. The more interviews you do, the more this gets out there. (2:37:23)

Hopefully he, like many others, will feel compelled to come forward. I can't tell you how many military pilots, ground personnel, intelligence officers have come forward to me, just a civilian, to tell their stories after hearing stories like yours. We had Jeremy McGowan, the Tic Tac witness. It's crazy. Sorry, go ahead. When I first arrived out there, people even say, other security policemen say, yeah, a missile field is really strange. (2:37:55)

You have missile sites sitting right outside the Badlands, down to Oro Falls, South Dakota. As I've said again, these sites are strung from the Badlands, in the fall, all the way up to the Wyoming border. And then the other sites take over from that point. And I was told of an incident that happened with two security policemen that were located something like three miles apart. (2:38:21)

They were missing overnight. Their vehicle was in one place. Them and their clothing were completely separated, and they were sitting in a field, out on a prairie, completely separate from each other. And their weapons and everything else, completely separated from each other. And just strung about. And that's how they were recovered. I don't know what happened to them, but I know neither of them ever came back to the missile field again. (2:38:46)

So, they have a strange, strange thing, you know. And if I may further, when I got that assignment, well, I should back up a little bit. After it was all said and done, and a little bit of time passed, I got promoted to an NCO. I got orders about nine months later, eight and a half, nine months later, to go to Korea, Osan Air Base. And I was married at the time. (2:39:14)

And anyway, I went to my commander, Colonel Sprecher, and I said, Colonel, I said, you know, I'm married. And I said, is there any way, you know, can I go ahead and volunteer for two years and I can take my wife with me? Who would let me do that? And, and that was, that should have been allowed. That was not asking anything out of place or anything like that. (2:39:41)

That was a normal thing. If you received a remote and it was, you could take your spouse with you or your family with you, but you extended for an additional year. Well, I was told I couldn't do that. And so, I ended up having to go alone, which, which is okay. I had a great time there. It was really good. (2:39:58)

But just that, it's funny how they just, they can change or they can do whatever it takes to separate two people that have, that have been through some experience like this together. And that's what happened with Michael Johnson and can't find him to this day. It was something else I wanted to tell you too, that, that I'm missing right now, but... Oh yeah, no worries. (2:40:26)

Maybe something will strike your memory here. Yeah, yeah. I've got Mario, two last questions for you personally, and then I've got some listener questions, if that's okay with you. You've been there a while. Oh yeah, perfect. When I got hypnotized, you know, talking about, you know, I know your beliefs, what you've been talking about, how you had problems with some of them and not with others, but that put me in a-fib. Really? (2:40:53)

Yeah. And I'd never had any kind of problems whatsoever before. And I've been in it twice since that time. Well, one other time since that time. But I knew for some reason, there's a barrier that you have to break. And I, and that's the only way I can describe it. There's something about telling these things. And especially under hypnosis, because you're not, you're not completely asleep, but you're not awake either. (2:41:21)

It's that area in between. To where dreams make sense, I guess. I don't know if that's the way to say it, but... I knew divulging or talking about it, it upset me so much internally. I didn't even know at the time, but a week later, I was in the cardiologist's office and I was in a-fib. But I felt it then because I was just on, I couldn't, I wanted to talk and I couldn't talk, wanted to talk and I couldn't talk, wanted to talk, couldn't talk. And then I did talk. (2:41:52)

And then when I did it, I kind of, I guess I released whatever. And then it, it, it bothered my heart. Wow. Yeah, clearly, clearly there is something connected to here and physically. That this event just, oh man, talk about physiological effects. It's, it's troubling to say the least. Well, I hope everything is okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, oh man, that's pretty heavy. Well, to kind of, I guess, wrap up my personal questions on this event, Mario. Why? That's always my question for people. (2:42:39)

Why do you think this event happened? I mean, it seemed to start as happenstance, you know, this alarm is set off at the base and you see this object. Over the, the, the nuclear site. And then you have these retrieved memories of what possibly may have happened during the missing time. Why, what was the motivation behind this entire event? If you had to venture a guess, I know, I know there's never concrete answers with any of this, but how did this happen to you? (2:43:13)

I honestly believe that Robert Hastings said it the best. He said, they didn't contact you. You contacted them. (2:43:23)

And they followed up on that. They knew what missile site, they knew that missile site was there and it was connected to the launch control facility. I thoroughly believe that. So they went out there and set it off and I dang on sure how to respond to it. And they knew I was there. I mean, I just, I felt that. And how else can I say it? But I'm, I sincerely felt that when I put that flashlight over the top of that truck and flashed the same sequence of lights out or a mag light to that bright object that just looked like the sun sitting there. (2:43:57)

One thing further, I must add that when I went out there for discovery again, as we were filming, you know, people are curious there and they ride by, you know, on this dirt road, Ormond Road looked like an interstate that day. There was about 20 of us there doing the filming. And these two guys showed up and one was on a four-wheeler. And the other was in a, an enclosed kind of four-wheeler. And they were landowners. And one of them, his father, I've got, I've got their names. (2:44:31)

His father was a state trooper at the time when this happened in 77. And he, he came up cause they stayed over when we completed. He stayed over as did the other guy and said, you were the guy that that happened to in 77? I said, yes, sir. And he goes, my father was a state trooper. He said, and I remember the call at two o'clock in the morning to come look for you guys. (2:44:55)

And I said, what? I mean, this totally blindsided me. And the people that were, Rich Emberlin that was with me, he was my host. And he's really a good guy at this. He just knows the questions to ask and how to get them out. And anyway, this fella, I think his name was Earl and not laughing at it. Cause I mean, this, this guy is a rancher and probably 80,000 acres out there or something like that. (2:45:22)

But anyway, he said he was quite young and his, and his dad, state trooper, received a call at two o'clock in the morning to come look for two security policemen that have gone missing at November five missile site on Ormond road. And, and his reply that he remembered was his father said, well, why are you asking me to go look for him? Those guys are way better than I am, which we were, but he did follow up on that. (2:45:49)

And he did come out to look for us to no avail. And then the other fellow that was there, he was a deputy sheriff in Sturgis and they sent two patrols. Now all this was on a request from central security control back at Ellsworth Air Force Base to send state law enforcement looking for us as well as our own people. (2:46:11)

So that's another, you know, I had three backup alert teams to locate us, which I finally did, made contact. And then I didn't know this, but there were three law enforcement teams, you know, two from Sturgis and one state trooper looking for us. But that night, now the state trooper, he said, his dad said he saw something in the air and he didn't say what it was. (2:46:39)

He said, his dad just said he saw something large in the air, large in the air. So that was completely unknown to me all these years that there was anybody else even looking for us. So a couple of times I've gone on, like there's a Newell, South Dakota site, you know, for the city. And I've asked if anybody remembers 1977, if anything was seen in the month of November, because I don't know the exact day, but I know it was just two weeks before Thanksgiving. That's why I know it was November, in November. And, but I hadn't really got any replies back. (2:47:11)

I got several people who watched the programs and said, wow, you know, I've heard of this out here, but never, never knew it. But anyway, I just found that to be really kind of cool that these guys came forward. So we do have their names. So I don't know if we ever going to go back out there and then maybe do a round table or something like that with them, but I would sure like to, I'd like to find out, you know, what they knew or what they were told. (2:47:36)

Because what eludes us is back during all this time is that being an airman or an NCO, you know, you're not like the guys that were underground in a launch control facility, which are watching, you know, the alarm panels, you know, you're 70 feet under the ground. We're the guys that are actually out there responding to what you sent us to based on the alarm at that facility. (2:47:58)

So, you know, we don't have the same, I should say, we don't get the same recognition or the follow up of paperwork that you can gather from individuals who saw any of this because they get it all. I got nothing, nothing, anything back, nothing. My medical records don't show anything. I mean, it's just amazing to how little and how much they can literally do away with if they so want to. (2:48:28)

And, you know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but in this instance, you know, I really see how my buddy was shipped off somewhere else, never saw him again. I get sent to a base, I'm not allowed to take the two year option, you know, completely separated from everything that I know and care for, gone. And that's the way they do you. (2:48:49)

And you got to stay quiet if you want to keep a clearance. You come forward in any of this. (2:48:56)

And during this time in 77, Linda Moldenhau was working for that channel in Denver, Colorado, and she was investigating cattle mutilations, which my partner and I, Mark Wade and I, we saw two. And my vet in Rapid City said he had been to one and did an examination and couldn't believe it. And we just started talking about it one day in Rapid City. So something's going on out there. (2:49:22)

But yet, so much of it is hushed up. Now these officers, you know, they have a paper trail. Because when you shut down a missile site, or the other thing is, they're not always shut down either. We were dispatched several times, not just in November, but other facilities, Echo, Oscar, Hotel, other sites that I worked at, to where a site would just arbitrarily start a sequence to launch. (2:49:47)

So the procedure there was to drive your F-154 truck out there with your partner, put it up on top of the blast door, facing the same direction as the cow trail or the cattle rails, where it's going to blow off, put it in neutral, and get off the site by one mile. And if it launches, the hopes are, the blast door blows out from underneath it, the vehicle falls down on the rocket, and it upsets the gyro, and it just goes off and crashes. (2:50:15)

Wow. So it's not always the sequence of events it's going to launch, and not always that. Sometimes it's sequences to launch also, and then it stopped. Some way, somehow, external, it stopped. Yeah, which is so much more alarming. Yeah, they're literally playing with us, you know. And the whole thing, I got asked a question by somebody on Netflix here just a few weeks ago, what did I think, what were they looking for? (2:50:44)

Why do they come to these missile sites? You know, what Nikola Tesla did with electricity, we're just coming to grips with today. There's a lot more about electricity that we don't know, especially on the big generator we're sitting on right now under our feet, all of us. There are certain ways, I guess, that you can split an atom. Maybe there's more ways than what we know of or have ever learned. (2:51:06)

And I think they perhaps sequence or see our abilities to do that, even though it's weaponized, there are other ways that they're waiting for us or either monitoring us that we don't find different ways to split the atom or new elements to add with it or whatever. I don't want to be incorrect speaking about it, but that's what I feel. Yeah, and you know, we're getting closer to, you know, nuclear fusion. (2:51:39)

I think it was just a few weeks ago that they discovered that they're able to finally do it. Very, very small amounts, but we're getting there. So, you know, while these things, these ideas of free energy are hopefully going to benefit mankind, there's always the antithesis of that as well. (2:51:58)

And, you know, again, like these nuclear sites, what you were doing out there is a necessary line of defense, but it can easily be flipped on the offense as well. Yes, it can. So it's troubling when these instances, these incidents, I should say, are happening at a rapid pace all over. I mean, we just had... and this is kind of my last question for you, Mario, before these couple of listener questions. (2:52:27)

Robert Salas, another gentleman who worked at a nuclear site, had a now famous incident occur. Just announced, yes, at Maelstrom, yes. Is going to be speaking to Arrow, this new office within the Department of Defense. He's going to be giving testimony about his event that took place, which he's been waiting for, for decades, for someone to come to him and be like, what happened? (2:52:54)

And, you know, recently at these congressional hearings on UFOs, Congress people asked the head of the UFO office, this new office, have you ever heard of the Maelstrom UFO event? And they had absolutely no idea what he was talking about, which was just, you know, that dumbfounded me and many people out there. But now, look, they're taking a proactive stance. (2:53:19)

They've reached out to Robert Salas. They're going to talk to him. So my question for you is, if given this opportunity, would you talk about your event in front of Congress or even testify with Arrow, this new UFO office in the Pentagon? If given that opportunity, yeah, would you take it? And what would you tell them? Yeah, I'm one of the eight that was asked to do that. (2:53:40)

Really? Okay. Okay. I'm looking forward to it. And I'll answer anything, anything they ask. Anything to the best of my ability. Wow, that's exciting. I did not know that they reached out to you. So that's going to be happening. Yes. I don't know exactly the date, but I mean, I guess it's when they want to contact you. Yeah, you're on their schedule, right? (2:54:05)

Well, that's very exciting. I did not know that. It's good to hear they're finally reaching out to folks like you who have had these incidents and were told to keep quiet about them. I mean, there's even new language in the National Defense Authorization Act saying, if you have had an experience, come forward. You know, there's no repercussion. We know you had Q clearances. (2:54:29)

We know you were told to be silent. But we want to know what happened. Oh man, I am wishing you all the best with that. And maybe you'll even get some answers. I hope so. I don't know. They're pretty stingy about that. They want to know, but they don't want to give. That's about right. You know, in 50 years, all this will go away because whoever's out there, they'll make themselves known when they feel it. (2:54:55)

Or if they come from our planet within, however it all works, I don't know. (2:55:00)

But we will know about them then. It'll be completely different. Can't agree more. We're on their timetable. Yes. Awesome. Well, I've got just a couple of listener questions, if you're willing to stick around. Sure, sure. Great, great. Thanks, Mario. Well, Casey on Twitter asks, Does Mario believe the government has any further or previous information on your incident? Do you think someone truly knows what happened there? (2:55:33)

Absolutely. It's fully written and documented. I thoroughly believe that. And what I meant earlier by saying, you know, officers are different than NCOs or airmen, is that for some reason, they're more privy to documentation to be able to set up a line of, not progression, but a line of informative information that they can get or gather or can get from their partners and so forth. (2:56:03)

Whereas we simply submitted our information or underwent an interrogation, really an interrogation, and then told never to speak of it again and signed a non-disclosure agreement or something similar to do that. Because, I mean, you know, when they threaten you, you know, we can take your rank away. You can't divulge any secrets. You can't talk about it. You know, nobody in your family can know about this. (2:56:30)

It's really quite scary. I mean, it really is. I mean, you know, especially if you're a young airman, young NCO, and you've got a family, and you say, well, what's my livelihood if I leave this? You know, you can't discuss it. You can't do anything about it. And it's very hard to gather. They've worked and that's been something that's really, really bothered me. (2:56:52)

I mean, from the very beginning of being able to run these people down and say, can you write me something? Can you do this? Well, they don't do that. Right. I get it. Yeah. You know, even DOE, when I first went to work for DOE in 83, I guess it was 84 because it took eight months from my clearance. Now, I had never had any infraction whatsoever with law enforcement or anything like that ever. (2:57:22)

Still don't. But it still took eight months from my clearance. And I sat in front of a board three times. They didn't specifically say this, but whatever happened to you in the Air Force when this took place or that took place? Because I mean, they literally, if I started talking about it, then I would divulge something through DOE I shouldn't have. Because I was still under that oath, you know, as compared to what Department of Energy does. (2:57:50)

Even though I was a subcontractor. Still, to keep your clearance, you just couldn't talk about that. Because I mean, I've been to Los Alamos, Sandia, Oak Ridge. I've been to quite a few places. I saw one of those coal fusion tests in 87, I think. 87, 88. Yeah, I was at S-4 there in Los Alamos, the Advanced Nuclear Research Center. And saw a mericenium, what was that element, 114, 115 burst in Akiva. Unbelievable. Yep. We could go down a long road with Bob Lazar and Area 51, but we'll save that for our next show. (2:58:34)

Well, this question came in, actually. This was a super chat by our good friend, James Craig. Thank you so much, James, for the super chat here. (2:58:44)

He asks, does Mario think the nature of this event was nuts and bolts, atmospheric phenomenon, or paranormal psychological? Yeah, what do you make of the whole event? Do you believe all of this physically happened to you in the reality as we know it, Mario? Yeah, however you want to dissect that question. Yeah, just like you're going to the store and on the way to the store, something happens. (2:59:07)

And then all of a sudden, you're not at the store, you're somewhere you didn't even intend on being, and then you just got to come to grips with what's left. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I couldn't put it better myself. Here's one. Christopher on Facebook asks, did you have any synchronicities occur before or after this event? I mean, there's a couple you brought up. (2:59:33)

I mean, just there, knowing you went back to the site for the TV show and you found people who had actually responded to your emergency call to come look for you guys. That's a synchronicity if I've ever heard one. But yeah, anything else really stick out to you? I became so interested in pyramids and archaeology that I can't even describe that. Anything at the pyramid structure, I had to find out about it. It's measurements, it's mathematical designs. (3:00:13)

I don't know why and I don't know how that happens, but I went to the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind with my wife. Excuse me. And that part where Roy Neary is sitting in front of the mailboxes with a flashlight in his mouth. And the object, I guess, stops directly above his vehicle and shines a light down and illuminates the whole thing. (3:00:40)

That whole scene, when I saw that, I literally got up and had to leave the theater. I couldn't take it. I mean, that had just happened to me. Literally had just happened. Almost the same thing, but I was with a partner and armed. So, I'd say those synchronicities are pyramids. I don't know what it is even today, but really I'm just kind of like an amateur archaeologist. (3:01:10)

But I have learned so much about these structures and they're not what we've been told they are. And I don't know what else to say about that. There are definite things that influence my mind in a certain way, but these pyramid structures have really changed me in a lot of ways, just learning about them. Interesting. Yeah, that's a whole avenue you can go down. (3:01:42)

Last listener question here for you, Mario. Steven on Twitter asks, have you had any other encounters or communications with whatever you think you encountered that night? If so, how and what? No, other than dreams. I keep a dream log, but I dream in color. I can smell in my dreams. And I've had some very strange and sometimes unnerving dreams. They're not nightmares. I mean, where it makes me wake up, it's just something that I see and I don't quite understand. (3:02:23)

But I guess dreams mean something. I don't know what, but yeah, I guess dreams would be the right answer for that. Just really, really unbelievable dreams. (3:02:39)

Interesting. Hey, you know, and a lot of this people believe happens in the realm of the subconscious as well. So subconscious, excuse me. So yeah, who knows? It could be another way for them to communicate even. I will, I will expand on one thing in 20, if I can. (3:03:05)

In 2017, it was in December. I think it was December 19th or something like that in 2017. I worked shift work at the time and I was, I have a back room back here that I keep. So anyway, I can, I can sleep there and not interfere or bother anybody else in the house. But anyway, it was about 10 after four. I wake up at these certain times, 1-11, 3-13, 4-10, 4-11. Just really, I try to keep a little running tab on that. (3:03:33)

But anyway, I woke up at 10 after four on this morning with all these alarms going off, but I didn't just wake up and sit up in my bed. I opened my eyes and I was standing next to the foot of my bed and I was looking at the North wall in this bedroom. And there was a big black hole in the middle of that, in that wall, about six or seven feet in diameter. (3:03:59)

And as I woke up to it, of course it was gone. So I don't know if I was dreaming it or what happened, but all of a sudden I hear all these alarms going off and it was in my home. And it was low voltage alarms, like with your stove, your oven, your refrigerator. I don't know, microwaves got one, anything that's electronic has a low voltage alarm. (3:04:19)

And I didn't even know those existed. And the lights were flickering and they were, my son was home and he gets up and he goes, dad, what's going on? And I was in kind of shock. I said, I don't, I don't know, son, what's happening. And I said, the lights won't work. I mean, they were working, but they were extremely low, just like they were being powered by a six full battery or something. (3:04:42)

And I said, the only thing I knew to do, I said, well, I'll just have to wait eight o'clock this morning. I'll call George Power. So I just went back to bed and thought how strange all that was. And I don't know what that hole was in my wall. And, uh, so I wake up and my son's already up and he goes, dad, he said, Georgia Power's out here. And I said, what? (3:05:04)

He said, yeah, Georgia Power's out here. And I said, you're kidding me. I said, I didn't even call him. So I threw on some clothes real quick and out the door I went and I went out in my front yard and I live on a little bit, a little bit more than an acre here. And they were out next to the street. And, uh, I introduced myself and, and the supervisor, he goes, is this your home? I said, yes, sir. (3:05:25)

He goes, well, we can't figure out what happened. I said, what do you mean? I said, I said, he goes, hey, you lost a leg of power to your house. (3:05:32)

And I didn't really know what that meant. And I said, well, how many of them? I said, the whole neighborhood go out. He goes, oh, no, just you. And I said, what? And, uh, he said, yeah, he says, it lit up our board downtown as a power surge and then nothing. And then we see you lost a leg. I said, what, what does that even mean? (3:05:54)

You know, and, um, so he goes, come on, I'll show you. So he takes me to where the meter is and outside of my garage on a little deck there. And they have this, uh, is battery type transformer thing set up on a, on a cart and they had it plugged, had it wired into my, uh, to my meter. So I could have three legs of power, you know, restoring power to the house fully. (3:06:20)

And he goes, yeah, we'll come out here and put a new line in next week or so. It took a bit longer than that, but I got pictures and so forth of it. And I said, well, what makes this happen? He says, we don't know. He says, it's a strange thing. It's never happened here before. And I said, yeah, I can't, I don't know either. And, uh, anyway, I went on about my business and didn't think much more about it. (3:06:40)

And then about two weeks later, I was out in my front yard. I think I was cutting the grass. And one of the boys from up the street, he came by and goes, hey, Mr. Woods, how you doing? And I pulled off my respirator and I say, man, I'm all right. How about you? And he goes, what was that light in your backyard a few weeks ago, Mr. Woods? (3:07:01)

I said, what are you talking about? He goes, well, I left for work at four o'clock in the morning. He said, it was lit up like it was a sun in your backyard. And I said, what? I said, there's two outdoor lights above the roof line in that room. And that's all there are. Just there's two lights, floodlights. And he goes, oh no. He goes, it looked like a stadium back there. (3:07:26)

Because I live, I've got 200 trees in the backyard. He goes, it looked like a stadium in your backyard. And I said, you gotta be kidding me. I said, come on, man. I said, you gotta be joking. He says, no, I'm serious. And that's all we really said about it. And it made me wonder the entire, you know, other than that. But anyway, we lost a leg of power to the house and it's highly unusual. (3:07:49)

And then that happened. And he came by and said that. And the guy, George Powers said, this never happens. We don't even know how it happened here. So anyway, that was in 2017. And I let Robert Hastings know about that immediately. You know, I mean, I don't know. You just never know. (3:08:07)

These beings, once they can identify you, they know everybody. I think there's nobody that can get away from them. Not really get away, but they monitor, you know. Right. And, you know, again, it's like when you have that kind of what a lot of people call the initiation experience, which, you know, I know you had a sighting as a child as well. But a lot of the time, once a lot of the times, once you have these encounters, you know, it does open a door and invites a lot more weirdness into your life. (3:08:41)

What kind of door is that? What is that? There's a lot of people that haven't seen anything ever. So I totally understand the questioning, you know, and I don't know how else to address that other than that. Well, perhaps you will. When it's your time, you're supposed to see it, I guess. Until it's you. Absolutely. Well, Mario, you've been very generous with your time. (3:09:05)

I'm going to let you go here in just a moment. But, you know, again, a lot of people, I'm sure, are going to feel empowered after hearing you tell this story, especially military personnel, to come forward. So my last question for you, of course, is there any where people can reach out to you if they'd like? Would you like them to do it through me or is there some sort of email if there's anything you're willing to share? (3:09:32)

You can email me. It's mwoods175 at gmail.com. I'll answer it if I can. And, you know, I try to get to everybody, you know, the best I can. Sometimes there's too many, but I still try to answer them, you know. And a lot of people comment on the YouTube portion. I don't know about all this yet and all these platforms. And I guess I should do better than what I'm doing. And maybe I could use your help. (3:09:59)

I wish I knew somebody that would sit down and help me because I honestly don't know it all, you know. I mean, I go on YouTube. I subscribe to your channel. And, you know, I don't know how else how I can do that on my own. I don't know if I want to. But, you know, any comments that they put a place on, you know, after this interview, I'll be happy to answer in any way, the best of my ability. (3:10:21)

So just throw that out there or they can email me and I don't mind that a bit. Great. Thank you. And I'll go ahead and put your email address. Show notes here as well. And I'd be more than happy to help you out, too. Yeah, that'd be great. I've got the equipment, you know, pretty much. You know, I don't have a lot of it. I got I got good enough stuff, you know. (3:10:41)

Absolutely. We're working off the same cameras as we talked about. Well, Mario, this is thank you. Thank you for sharing this. Thank you for your service. (3:10:51)

I know your search for answers only just begun. But I think it's very telling that you're going to be speaking in front of the Pentagon UFO office hopefully soon about your event. And maybe that'll put one more puzzle piece into place. So I'm going to wish you the best with that. And yeah, that's I'll say goodnight here. (3:11:19)

And once again, thank you so much for joining me on Somewhere in the Skies. Anytime, Ryan. Thank you very much for having me again. My absolute pleasure. All right. Have a great night. All right. See you a little later. Bye bye.

過去記事で見逃していた重要な細部

Me:

「ミサイルサイトが「任意に発射シーケンスを開始」することがあった」について敷衍して。

ミサイルサイトでの異常事態というより大きな文脈において、提示された情報源は、ミサイルサイトが「任意に発射シーケンスを開始」することがあったことについて以下の詳細を述べています。

マリオ・ウッズは、自身が働いていたエコー、オスカー、ホテルなどのミサイル施設において、ミサイルサイトが「任意に発射シーケンスを開始」することが何度かあったと証言しています。このような事態が発生した場合の標準的な手順は、F-154型のトラックにパートナーと同乗して現場へ向かうことでした。

トラックはブラストドア（爆発扉）の上に駐車し、牛道または牛用のレールと同じ方向、つまり爆発する方向に向けてニュートラルに入れ、その後、現場から1マイル離れた場所へ避難することになっていました。

この手順の目的は、もしミサイルが発射された場合、ブラストドアがトラックの下から吹き飛び、車両がロケットの上に落下してジャイロを狂わせ、ミサイルが軌道を外れて墜落することでした。

さらに驚くべきことに、これらの発射シーケンスは、開始された後に「何らかの方法で、外部から」停止することもあったと述べられています。この現象は、証言者にとって「はるかに警報的」であると感じられています。

Me:

ブリーフィングにある

「　ミサイルサイトでの奇妙な事件: 別の2人の警備警察官が夜間に失踪し、車両と衣服が完全に分離された状態で草原で発見されたという類似の事件がミサイル基地で発生していました。彼らは二度とミサイル基地に戻りませんでした。「彼らは一晩中行方不明になり、車両は別の場所にあり、彼らと彼らの衣服は完全に分離され、彼らは草原の野原に互いに完全に分離して座っていた。」（2:38:21）　」

について、できるだけ詳しく敷衍して。

ミサイルサイトでの異常事態というより大きな文脈において、マリオ・ウッズは、自身が勤務していたミサイル基地が「本当に奇妙」である理由の一つとして、他の2人の警備警察官に起こった類似の事件について聞かされたと述べています。この事件の詳細は以下の通りです。

関与した人物: 2人の警備警察官。
場所と距離: 彼らは約3マイル離れた場所にいたとされています。
失踪: 彼らは一晩中行方不明になりました。
発見時の状況:
- 彼らの車両は別の場所にありました。
- 彼ら自身と彼らの衣服は完全に分離されていました。
- 彼らは草原の野原に、互いに完全に分離した状態で座っていました。
- 彼らの武器やその他の持ち物も、互いに完全に分離され、散らばっていました。
結果: マリオ・ウッズは彼らに何が起こったのかを知りませんが、そのどちらも二度とミサイル基地に戻ることはありませんでした。この話は、ミサイル基地で起こる異常な出来事の一例として、マリオ・ウッズに語られたものです。

Me: 文脈からは遺体とか body がないので、そのふたりは生きていたと解釈するのが妥当ですね？

はい、ご指摘の通り、提示された情報源の記述からは、ミサイル基地で失踪した2人の警備警察官が、発見された際には生きていたと解釈するのが妥当です。情報源では、この事件について次のように述べられています。

2人の警備警察官は「一晩中行方不明になり」、その後「草原の野原に互いに完全に分離して座っていた」とされています。この「座っていた」という表現は、彼らが発見された時点で生きていたか、少なくとも死亡している状態ではなかったことを強く示唆しています。もし彼らが死亡していたのであれば、「遺体」や「死体」といった言葉が使われるか、あるいは発見時の状態がより具体的な死亡を示す表現で記述された可能性が高いです。
彼らの「車両は別の場所にあり、彼らと彼らの衣服は完全に分離され、彼らの武器やその他の持ち物も、互いに完全に分離され、散らばっていた」と詳細に描写されていますが、身体的な損傷や死亡を示唆する記述は一切ありません。
証言者のマリオ・ウッズは「彼らに何が起こったのかは知らないが、彼らのどちらも二度とミサイル基地に戻ることはなかった」と述べており、彼らのその後の消息については不明であるものの、発見時の状態が「死亡」であったとは明言していません。

これらの情報から、彼らが発見された時点では生きていた、あるいは少なくとも死体として発見されたわけではないと推測するのが、最も自然な解釈と言えます。その後の「二度とミサイル基地に戻ることはなかった」という結果が、この事件の謎めいた側面をさらに深めています。

(2025-06-23)

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1977年11月（感謝祭の2週間前）​

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