Mark Marinaccio : Skinwalker ranch で体験した異常現象

概要

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スキンウォーカー牧場の謎：超常現象の探求

この音声文字起こしは、‌‌超常現象のドキュメンタリー番組の制作経験を持つマーク・マリノッチ氏へのインタビュー‌‌に焦点を当てています。

マリノッチ氏は、特に‌‌スキンウォーカー牧場での自身の4ヶ月間の滞在‌‌について語り、その場所で経験した‌‌奇妙な出来事や現象‌‌について詳しく説明しています。インタビューでは、‌‌UAP（未確認空中現象）や地球外生命体への長年の関心‌‌や、‌‌「ゴーストハンターズ」‌‌のような番組での過去の仕事についても触れられています。

また、‌‌異次元の存在や物理学、そして将来の科学的発見の可能性についての考察‌‌も展開されており、マリノッチ氏は現在、視聴者のUFOや超常現象の体験を専門家が分析する‌‌新しいテレビシリーズのキャスティング‌‌を行っています。

目次

1. 概要
2. 詳細
   1. 2. 主要なテーマと重要なアイデア/事実
   2. 3. 今後の展開と結論
3. Skinwalker ranch : 個人的に目撃した現象
4. Skinwalker ranch : 不快な経験
5. Skinwalker ranch : ヒッチハイカー現象
6. 光の閃光、missing-time
7. UAP との接近曝露の影響
8. 異なる視点からの相互作用
9. Bigelow 実験の再現
   1. ビゲロー実験の再現とその発見
10. 遠距離からの観察とトリガー
    1. 遠距離からの観察とトリガーに関する主要な点：
11. NIDS チームとの違い
    1. NIDSチームとの違い
12. 時系列
13. 主要関係者
14. 情報源
15. 文字起こし（話者識別）

詳細

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ブリーフィング資料：スキンウォーカー牧場の謎と超常現象の探求 日付: 2024年5月15日 作成者: AIアシスタント 情報源: "スキンウォーカー牧場の謎：超常現象の探求"（Mark MarinaccioとMartin Willisのインタビュー動画の文字起こし）

1. 概要

本ブリーフィング資料は、超常現象のベテランプロデューサーであるマーク・マリナッチオ氏が、自身の経験とスキンウォーカー牧場での活動について語ったインタビューに基づいています。マリナッチオ氏は、長年の超常現象番組制作のキャリアと、特にスキンウォーカー牧場における4ヶ月間の滞在での直接的な体験について詳しく説明しています。

主要なテーマとしては、スキンウォーカー牧場の独特な現象、ヒッチハイカー効果、現象の潜在的な科学的説明、そしてUAP（未確認空中現象）と異次元存在に関する彼の理論が挙げられます。

2. 主要なテーマと重要なアイデア/事実

2.1 マリナッチオ氏の背景と超常現象への関心

• 幼少期の経験と家族の影響: マリナッチオ氏は、母親が「敏感なサイキック」であったこと、父親がサイエンスフィクションを好んだことから、幼少期から超常現象に強い関心を持って育ちました。彼は「私はある意味で世界で育ちました。私の母は敏感なサイキックです。つまり、70年代にはそう呼ばれていなかったですが、彼女はこれらの能力を持ち、調和的でスピリチュアルな存在として育ちました。私の父はサイエンスフィクション映画やテレビ番組を見るのが大好きでした。だから、他のことをするチャンスはほとんどなかったと言えます。」と述べています。
• キャリアパス: 映画制作の道を志し、ロサンゼルスで「リアリティブーム」に乗じて超常現象番組（「Ghost Hunters」など）の制作に携わるようになります。彼のキャリアは「過去22年ほど、私の履歴書は主に超常現象、未解明、幽霊、怪物、UFO、ビッグフット、謎、呪いなどで占められています。」と語る通り、この分野に特化しています。
• ストーリーテラーとしての役割: 彼は、単に現象を記録するだけでなく、オーディエンスメンバー、研究者、プロデューサー、ディレクター、ストーリーテラー、ライターとして多角的に関わることで、物語に価値を付加しようとしています。
• 科学への関心: 彼は、「今日の超常現象は明日の科学である」という考えを持ち、量子力学のような「未解明なものを説明する潜在的な科学」に魅力を感じています。

2.2 スキンウォーカー牧場への関心と経験

• 長年の憧れ: マリナッチオ氏は、ジョージ・ナップとコルム・ケラーの著書『Hunt for the Skinwalker』を2005年に読んで以来、スキンウォーカー牧場を世界で一番訪れたい場所としていました。その理由は、「あの場所で起こったとされることは、どこでも経験されたあらゆる種類の超常現象、説明不能な現象が、すべて一つの場所で起こっているから」だといいます。
• アクセスと役割: 15年間牧場へのアクセスを試みた後、シーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサーとして牧場に入ることができました。彼は約4ヶ月間滞在し、撮影前から準備に携わりました。
• 牧場の雰囲気: 牧場に初めて入った際、マリナッチオ氏は「本当に奇妙だったのは、そこがいかに平和だったかということでした。車を降りると、静かで、美しい景色で、平和で、穏やかでした。」と語っており、他の「お化けの出る城や病院、精神病院」で感じるような「悲劇の重み」がないことに驚いています。
• セキュリティと監視: 牧場には厳重なセキュリティゲート、カメラ、センサーがあり、「あらゆる平方インチをカバーするカメラとセンサーがある場所に入るのは、現実的ではありません。」と述べられています。
• 現象の局所性: マリナッチオ氏は、現象が「牧場を標的としている」ように見えることがあると指摘しています。例えば、特定の周波数の信号が牧場の特定の場所からしか検出されないことや、「三角形の上の異常」がそのエリアに集中しているように見えることを例に挙げています。これは、「現象に境界線はない」という一般的な認識に反する興味深い観察です。

2.3 スキンウォーカー牧場の現象と理論

• ヒッチハイカー効果と量子もつれ: 牧場を離れても電子機器の故障などが続く「ヒッチハイカー効果」について、マリナッチオ氏は「伝統的な超常現象の世界では『アタッチメント』と呼ばれていました。それは非常に現実的なもので、何かがあなたに取り憑くのです。」と説明し、科学的な観点からは「量子もつれ」として捉える可能性を提示しています。「潜在的に科学的な視点から考えると、それは量子もつれと見なせるかもしれませんね？意識、潜在意識、脳の化学作用、何であれ、量子レベルで何らかのつながりを作り出しているのです。」
• 心理的影響: 牧場では、理由もなく全員が「お互いに怒りっぽく」なるなど、心理的な影響が観察されています。これは「電磁波干渉」や「周波数」によるものかもしれないと推測されています。
• 物理的危険: シーズン3でトム・ルイス氏が心臓の問題を起こし病院に搬送された件について、「医者は何らかの電気的なものが彼の心臓をリズムから外したと言ったのです。それは恐ろしいことです。」と述べ、現象が実際に身体的な危険を伴うことを強調しています。トーマス・ウィンタートン氏の頭痛の例も挙げられています。
• 現象のトリガー: マリナッチオ氏は、「ロケットを三角形に向けて発射すると、UFO、UAPが現れます。メサを掘削すると、大混乱が起こり、UAPが現れます。」と述べ、特定の行動が現象を誘発する可能性を示唆しています。これは、UAPが「何が起こっているのかを見に来ている」かのような行動に見えると解釈しています。
• 異次元仮説: マリナッチオ氏の主な理論は、スキンウォーカー牧場が「一時的な窓や扉」が開いている「交差点」であるというものです。「私が見る牧場の現象の多くは、より異次元的な現象だと思います。」と彼は述べています。これは、UAPが「直線的な移動」ではなく、「ワームホール、ポータル、交差する世界」のような方法で移動するという彼の信念と関連しています。
• 観測された異常:三角形の上の異常: レーザーが停止したり、分裂したり、曲がったりする現象、ヘリコプターが実際の位置とは異なる場所に映る「レンズの歪み」のような現象が報告されています。これは「物理的な物体が存在しないため、時間空間の異常」であると考えられています。
• 1.65ギガヘルツ信号: この信号は、ロケット発射後に正確に検出され、アンテナを少し動かすと失われるほど局所的です。マリナッチオ氏は、この信号に「より深いコミュニケーションと接触」の可能性を見出しており、FMラジオでの放送後にUFOのような物体が観測された事例を挙げています。
• 地下のドーム状物体: 側方掘削中にドリルビットが非常に硬い物体に当たり、400フィート幅のドーム状の物体がメサの地下に存在することが示唆されました。この掘削中に1.65ギガヘルツの信号が発生し、トム・ルイス氏の心臓の問題を引き起こしました。
• UAPの観測: シーズン3では、マリナッチオ氏自身も「中央にブラックホールがあるUAPが横切る」のを目の当たりにしています。また、カメラに映るオーブや、動物の奇妙な行動（群れで隅に固まる、異常な死因）、説明のつかない「奇妙な光」なども報告されています。

2.4 UFO/UAPの性質と未来への示唆

• UAPの目的: マリナッチオ氏は、UAPが「何か問題がないか確認する」という「意図的な目的」を持っている可能性があると推測しています。それは「古の採掘作業の残骸」や「惑星の変化を監視している」可能性もあります。
• UAPと人間の健康: DIAの報告書に、UAPとの接近が生物学的組織に「急性および亜急性の影響」をもたらすことが文書化されていると指摘。「UAPに非常に接近した多くの人々は、他の人と非常によく似た、有害な神経学的および身体的影響を受けています。」
• 光の役割: UFOがなぜ光を持っているのかという疑問に対して、彼はそれが「推進システムの人工物」や「電気的な電荷」である可能性、あるいは「意図的なものではなく、文字通り彼らの行動の副次的な効果」である可能性を提示しています。
• 政府の知識と未来: マリナッチオ氏は、政府は私たちよりも多くのことを知っているが、「このものの正体は何なのか？」という点で知識が止まっており、「それがどこから来て、どのようにここにたどり着いたのか」については理解が及んでいないと推測しています。彼は、この理解には「量子物理学、もつれ、多次元についての将来の理解」が必要だと考えています。
• 若者へのインスピレーション: 彼は、SF映画やテレビ番組がマルチバースや量子領域を扱うことで、「現在私たちが認識できない方法で考え、見つめる優れた頭脳」を将来的に育むために、子供たちに特定の科学分野への関心を抱かせることの重要性を強調しています。

3. 今後の展開と結論

マリナッチオ氏は、デーブ・アルトマン氏と共同で、UFO目撃や遭遇の経験、または証拠を持つ人々を対象とした新しいケーブルネットワークシリーズを制作中です。この番組では、トップエキスパートが参加者の証拠を分析し、可能な限り「決定的な答え」を提供することを目指しています。これは、一般の人々が未解明な現象に対する答えを得るための貴重な機会を提供すると考えられます。

スキンウォーカー牧場における現象の探求は、物理的な危険、心理的な影響、そして現代科学では説明できないような時空の歪みや異次元的相互作用の可能性を示唆しています。マリナッチオ氏の「今日の超常現象は明日の科学である」という言葉は、この分野の研究が、未来の科学的ブレークスルーにつながる可能性を秘めていることを強く示唆しています。

Skinwalker ranch : 個人的に目撃した現象

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スキンウォーカー牧場での個人的な目撃現象に関して、情報源はMark Marinaccio氏の直接の経験と観察について多くの詳細を述べています。Marinaccio氏はシーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサーとして約4ヶ月間牧場に滞在しました。

Marinaccio氏が牧場に入った最初の体験は、彼にとって非常に重要であり、コードを入力してゲートを通り抜け、牧場に入っていく様子をビデオで撮影して記録しました。彼が最初に気づいた最も奇妙なことの一つは、その場所が驚くほど平和で静かで、美しい風景が広がっていたことでした。これは、古いお化けの城や病院で見られるような、悲劇の重みを感じさせる場所とは異なると述べています。

しかし、この平和な印象にもかかわらず、Marinaccio氏は牧場で様々な異常な現象を個人的に目撃しました。

• ‌‌UAP（未確認航空現象）/UFO‌‌

  • 彼はシーズン3で確認された最初のUAPを最初に目撃した可能性が高いと述べています。
  • ロケット発射後、南の空に‌‌中心にブラックホールのようなものがあるUAP‌‌が移動するのを目撃しました。Travis Taylorは、その高度と速度から飛行機や衛星ではないと断言しました。
  • 彼はカメラ越しに‌‌動くオーブ‌‌を目撃しました。
  • ロケットをトライアングルに向けて発射したり、メサを掘削したりすることで、‌‌UAPの出現を誘発できる‌‌ことを目撃しました。

• ‌‌機器および環境への影響‌‌

  • 天文学者が望遠鏡を異常な現象に向けても、望遠鏡が動作せず、対象から逸れて、データベースから星座を削除する現象を経験しました。
  • レーザーがトライアングルの上空の異常な現象に当てられると、‌‌レーザーが止まったり、分裂したり、曲がったりする‌‌のを目撃しました。
  • メサが‌‌地震のように揺れる‌‌のを感じました。
  • Bigelow氏が以前溝を掘った場所で、新品の大型ブルドーザーが1度通過した後に故障し、その後‌‌大規模な放射線スパイク‌‌が発生しました。
  • 電子機器が一時的に機能しなくなる現象を経験し、これを「‌‌ranched（牧場された）‌‌」と呼んでいます。

• ‌‌異常な光‌‌

  • 彼は森の中で、「これまで見た中で最も明るい黄色い懐中電灯」のような光を目撃しました。その光はビームが全く拡散せず、上下に動き、その後消えました。

• ‌‌人間への生理学的・心理学的影響‌‌

  • 理由もなく皆が突然‌‌怒りっぽくなったり、「攻撃的」になったりする‌‌ことがあり、翌日にはそれが消えているという現象を経験しました。
  • Tom Lewis氏が1.65ギガヘルツの高音信号を聞いた後、‌‌心臓に問題が生じ（不整脈）、病院に運ばれる‌‌のを目撃しました。医師はこれを電気的な何かの影響だと述べました。
  • Thomas Winterton氏のように、ひどい頭痛に悩まされたり、牧場を離れる必要があると感じたりする人々がいることも認識していました。
  • Marinaccio氏自身は、これらの出来事が人々に危害を及ぼす可能性があるため、「‌‌恐ろしい‌‌」と感じたと述べています。

• ‌‌動物の現象‌‌

  • 健康な牛が、通常何年もかかるはずの病気で‌‌不可解に死亡する‌‌のを目撃しました。
  • 牛が理由もなく‌‌一箇所に集まって動かなくなる‌‌様子を目撃しました。
  • 個人的に生き物やエイリアンを目撃したことはありません。

Marinaccio氏は、これらの個人的な観察から、多くの現象が‌‌異次元的な性質‌‌を持つと考えています。彼は、ワームホール、ポータル、または交差する世界といった「一時的な窓や入り口」が開いている場所にいるのではないかと示唆しています。彼はまた、1.65ギガヘルツの信号がより深いコミュニケーションと接触のための手段である可能性があり、その信号を放送した数時間後に赤いUFOのような物体が空に現れた事例を挙げています。さらに、牧場の地下にドリルが貫通できない‌‌直径400フィートのドーム型物体‌‌が存在することも、隠蔽された何かを示唆していると彼は考えています。

Skinwalker ranch : 不快な経験

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スキンウォーカー牧場における個人的に目撃された現象のより大きな文脈において、「不快な経験」に関して情報源は、Mark Marinaccio氏が直接目撃または経験した、あるいは牧場で働く人々が経験した様々なネガティブな出来事について説明しています。

Marinaccio氏はシーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサーとして約4ヶ月間牧場に滞在し、‌‌多くの現象が異次元的な性質を持つ‌‌という見解を示唆しています。

Marinaccio氏が報告した不快な経験は以下の通りです。

• ‌‌人間への生理学的・心理学的影響‌‌

  • ‌‌集団的な怒りや攻撃性‌‌: 理由もなく、‌‌全員が突然互いに対して「怒りっぽく」なったり、神経に触ったりする‌‌ことがありました。Marinaccio氏はこれを「非常に奇妙」で「不快」だと述べ、牧場の現象の一部であり、電磁干渉や周波数が原因である可能性があると考察しています。しかし、この状態は翌日には消えていました。
  • ‌‌体調不良‌‌: Tom Lewis氏は、1.65ギガヘルツの高音信号を聞いた後、‌‌心臓に問題が生じ（不整脈）、病院に運ばれる‌‌事態に見舞われました。医師は、何らかの「電気的なもの」が彼の心臓のリズムを乱したと述べました。Marinaccio氏は、これが「恐ろしい」出来事であり、調査における「実際の危険性」を浮き彫りにしたと語っています。
  • ‌‌ひどい頭痛‌‌: Thomas Winterton氏のように、牧場にいると‌‌非常にひどい頭痛‌‌に悩まされ、場所を離れる必要性を強く感じる人もいました。Marinaccio氏は、そのような場合は「行け」と言い、誰も「傷つけられたくない」という責任感を示しました。
  • ‌‌危険性‌‌: Marinaccio氏は、これらの出来事が人々に危害を及ぼす可能性があるため、「‌‌恐ろしい‌‌」と感じたと述べています。彼はまた、DIAが「異常な技術との相互作用による生体組織への急性および亜急性の影響」を文書化しており、UAPに近接した人々が「有害な神経学的および身体的影響」を受けることを指摘しています。UAPが回避的である理由の一つは、それらが有害であり、人間に害を与えないようにしているからかもしれないと考えています。

• ‌‌機器および環境への影響‌‌

  • ‌‌電子機器の故障（「ランチェッド」現象）‌‌: 牧場では、マイクなどの電子機器が一時的に機能しなくなる現象が頻繁に発生し、これを「‌‌ランチェッド（牧場された）‌‌」と表現しています。これは牧場から離れていても、Marinaccio氏の妻や友人にも起こったと述べています。
  • ‌‌ブルドーザーの故障と放射線スパイク‌‌: NIDSチームが行った以前の溝掘り実験を再現しようとした際、‌‌新品の大型ブルドーザーが一度通過しただけで故障し、停止しました‌‌。同時に、その場所で「‌‌大規模な放射線スパイク‌‌」が検出され、チームは避難を余儀なくされました。
  • ‌‌掘削ドリルの中断‌‌: メサの下にある、直径400フィートのドーム型物体を掘削しようとした際、地元の熟練した掘削業者のドリルビットが、‌‌硬すぎて貫通できない固い物体に当たりました‌‌。これはTom Lewis氏の心臓の問題を引き起こした1.65ギガヘルツの信号が聞こえたのと同時に起こりました。
  • ‌‌異常な光‌‌: 森の中で、「これまで見た中で最も明るい黄色い懐中電灯」のような光を目撃しました。その光はビームが全く拡散せず、上下に動き、その後消えました。この光は「全く意味をなさない」と述べられています。

• ‌‌動物の異常‌‌

  • ‌‌牛の不可解な死‌‌: 健康な牛が、通常何年もかかるはずの病気で‌‌不可解に死亡する‌‌のを目撃しました。
  • ‌‌牛の異常な行動‌‌: 牛が理由もなく‌‌一箇所に集まって動かなくなる‌‌様子も目撃しました。

これらの不快な経験は、スキンウォーカー牧場が単に「謎めいた場所」であるだけでなく、そこにいる人々の心身の健康、および作業に重大な影響を及ぼす可能性のある、‌‌潜在的に危険な現象が内在している‌‌ことを示しています。Marinaccio氏は、科学がこれらの現象を解明するにつれて、現在理解できない多くの謎が解き明かされる可能性に言及しています。

Skinwalker ranch : ヒッチハイカー現象

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スキンウォーカー牧場での経験というより大きな文脈において、「ヒッチハイカー効果（付着現象）」について、情報源はMark Marinaccio氏の見解と、牧場内外で個人的に経験された現象について詳しく述べています。Marinaccio氏は、シーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサーとして約4ヶ月間牧場に滞在し、‌‌多くの現象が異次元的な性質‌‌を持つと考えています。

Marinaccio氏が説明するヒッチハイカー効果に関する主要な点は以下の通りです。

• ‌‌ヒッチハイカー効果の定義‌‌: Marinaccio氏は、「ヒッチハイカー効果」とは、‌‌その現象がどこへ行っても様々な形であなたについてくる‌‌ことだと述べています。これは、従来の超常現象の世界で「‌‌付着（attachment）‌‌」と呼ばれていたものと非常に現実的な現象であると考えています。
• ‌‌「牧場された（ranched）」という現象‌‌: よりシンプルな形のヒッチハイカー効果として、電子機器が機能しなくなる現象を「‌‌牧場された（ranched）‌‌」と呼んでいます。Marinaccio氏の体験では、牧場内外でマイクなどの電子機器が一時的に機能しなくなることが頻繁に発生し、これは牧場を離れた後も‌‌彼の妻や友人にも起こった‌‌と述べています。これは、「常に、毎回、必ず起こる」現象だと強調しています。
• ‌‌科学的・理論的解釈‌‌:
  • Marinaccio氏は、ヒッチハイカー効果を‌‌科学的な観点から量子もつれ（quantum entanglement）‌‌として捉えることができると示唆しています。彼は、意識、潜在意識、脳の化学反応などを介して、何かとの間に量子レベルで「つながり」が生まれると考えており、そのつながりをどう断つべきか分からないと述べています。
  • ‌‌距離の無意味さ‌‌: 量子もつれにおいては、‌‌空間的な距離は方程式の価値に影響しない‌‌ため、牧場で起こっていたことが何十万マイルも離れた場所で起こっても不思議ではないと説明しています。私たちの現実における距離は、観測可能な宇宙の構成要素にすぎず、観測可能な宇宙の外に存在するつながりには適用されない可能性があると考えています。
• ‌‌個人的な経験と観察‌‌:
  • Marinaccio氏自身は、ヒッチハイカー効果による‌‌ネガティブな経験はまだない‌‌と述べています。
  • しかし、牧場では‌‌理由もなく全員が突然互いに「怒りっぽく」なったり、「神経に触ったりする」‌‌という奇妙で不快な現象を経験しました。これは電磁干渉や周波数が原因である可能性があり、牧場の現象の一部だと考えています。この状態は翌日には消えていました。
  • Tom Lewis氏が1.65ギガヘルツの信号を聞いた後に‌‌心臓に問題が生じ、病院に運ばれた‌‌出来事は、実験における「実際の危険性」を浮き彫りにした「恐ろしい」経験だと述べています。医師は「電気的な何か」が彼の心臓のリズムを乱したと診断しました。
  • Thomas Winterton氏のように、牧場にいると‌‌ひどい頭痛‌‌に悩まされ、敷地を離れる必要性を強く感じる人もいました。
  • 米国防情報局（DIA）が、UAPとの相互作用による生体組織への急性的および亜急性の影響を文書化しており、UAPに近接した人々が「有害な神経学的および身体的影響」を被ることを指摘しています。Marinaccio氏は、UAPが回避的である理由の一つは、それらが‌‌有害であるため、人間に害を与えないようにしている‌‌からかもしれないと考えています。

Marinaccio氏は、これらの現象が「異次元的な」もの、すなわち一時的な窓や入り口が開いている場所であるという考えを強く支持しています。ヒッチハイカー効果は、こうした異次元的なつながりを通じて、物理的な距離を超えて個人に影響を及ぼす可能性があるという彼の理論と一致しています。

光の閃光、missing-time

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アブダクションとタイムロスのより大きな文脈において、情報源はMark Marinaccio氏が提唱する「光の閃光」と「時間の喪失」に関する理論について説明しています。Marinaccio氏は、シーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサーとしてスキンウォーカー牧場に約4ヶ月間滞在し、‌‌多くの現象が異次元的な性質を持つ‌‌という見解を持っています。

Marinaccio氏によると、「光の閃光」と「時間の喪失」は、特に‌‌エイリアンによるアブダクションのシナリオ‌‌において関連付けられています。

• ‌‌光の閃光‌‌: エイリアンによるアブダクションのシナリオを見ると、人々は時に‌‌明るい光の閃光‌‌を経験したり、空に何かを見たりします。これは、UAP（未確認空中現象）やUFO（未確認飛行物体）が‌‌異次元的な旅行やポータル（ワームホール）を使用する際に発生する、何らかの現象の兆候‌‌である可能性があります。

• ‌‌時間の喪失（ミッシングタイム）‌‌: 光の閃光やUAPの目撃後、人々は‌‌45分間の「ミッシングタイム」を経験し、その間に何が起こったか分からない‌‌と述べています。Marinaccio氏は、これをワームホールのような現象と関連付けて説明しています。

  • ワームホールは、言わば‌‌ブラックホールのようなもの‌‌であり、‌‌事象の地平線では時間の流れ方が異なります‌‌。
  • UFOやUAPがポータルやワームホールのような異次元的な移動を用いる場合、‌‌時空に「裂け目」が生じ、それに近い場所では時間の希釈効果（time dilation effect）が起こる‌‌可能性があります。
  • これにより、アブダクションされた人々が45分を失ったと認識するのではなく、‌‌その空間では時間が異なる動きをしていたため、その時間が彼らにとって「存在しなかった」‌‌とMarinaccio氏は考えています。人々は、UAPがワームホールやポータルへの出入りをする際に発生する‌‌「航跡（wake）」に巻き込まれる‌‌ことで、このような体験をするのかもしれません。

Marinaccio氏は、UAPが異次元的な移動を行っている可能性を強く示唆しており、それがこれらの現象の根本的な原因であると考えています。彼は、‌‌物理的な距離は量子もつれのような現象においては方程式の価値に影響しない‌‌ため、遠く離れた場所で現象が起こっても不思議ではないと説明しています。

また、米国防情報局（DIA）は、‌‌異常な技術との相互作用による生体組織への急性的および亜急性の影響‌‌を文書化しており、UAPに近接した人々が「‌‌有害な神経学的および身体的影響‌‌」を受けることを指摘しています。Marinaccio氏は、UAPが回避的である理由の一つは、‌‌それが有害であり、人間に害を与えないようにしているからかもしれない‌‌と推測しています。これは、光の閃光や時間の喪失といった現象が、単なる観察に留まらず、人間に対して‌‌潜在的な危険性‌‌を伴う可能性があることを示唆しています。

UAP との接近曝露の影響

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スキンウォーカー牧場での現象の理論と考察というより大きな文脈において、情報源はMark Marinaccio氏の見解を中心に、‌‌UAP（未確認空中現象）との近接曝露が人や環境に及ぼす影響‌‌について詳しく述べています。Marinaccio氏は、シーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサーとして牧場に約4ヶ月間滞在し、そこで経験される多くの現象は‌‌異次元的な性質‌‌を持つと考えています。

UAPとの近接曝露の影響に関して、情報源が述べている主要な点は以下の通りです。

• ‌‌精神的・感情的な影響‌‌:
  • Marinaccio氏は、牧場では‌‌理由もなく突然、皆が互いに「怒りっぽく」なったり、「神経に触る」ような感覚を覚える‌‌奇妙で不快な現象を経験したと述べています。これは電磁干渉や周波数が原因である可能性があり、牧場の現象の一部だと考えています。この状態は翌日には消えていました。
  • Thomas Winterton氏のように、牧場にいると‌‌ひどい頭痛‌‌に悩まされ、敷地を離れる必要性を強く感じる人もいました。
• ‌‌身体的な影響‌‌:
  • Tom Lewis氏が1.65ギガヘルツの信号を聞いた後に‌‌心臓に問題が生じ、病院に運ばれた‌‌出来事は、「恐ろしい」経験であり、実験における「実際の危険性」を浮き彫りにしました。医師は、「電気的な何か」が彼の心臓のリズムを乱したと診断しました。
  • 米国防情報局（DIA）は、「‌‌異常な技術との相互作用による生体組織への急性的および亜急性の影響‌‌」を文書化しています。UAPに近接した多くの人々が、‌‌「有害な神経学的および身体的影響」‌‌を受けていると指摘されており、これは「非常に現実的なこと」であるとされています。
  • Marinaccio氏は、UAPが回避的である理由の一つは、それらが‌‌有害であるため、人間に害を与えないようにしている‌‌からかもしれないと考えています。彼は、Travis Waltonの「ファイヤー・イン・ザ・スカイ」の経験を例に挙げ、ウォルトンが偶発的な曝露によって負った傷害を癒すために宇宙船に乗せられたと信じていることに触れています。
  • ‌‌高放射線と電磁場‌‌: UAPへの近接曝露は、‌‌高放射線や高電磁場‌‌を引き起こし、人々に非常に有害な身体的影響を与えることが示唆されています。
• ‌‌電子機器への影響‌‌:
  • 電子機器が機能しなくなる現象は、「‌‌牧場された（ranched）‌‌」と呼ばれており、Marinaccio氏の経験では、牧場内外でマイクなどの電子機器が一時的に機能しなくなることが頻繁に発生しました。これは彼が牧場を離れた後も、‌‌彼の妻や友人にも起こった‌‌と述べています。
  • NIDSチームの実験を再現する際に、‌‌新品のブルドーザーが動かなくなり‌‌、その後、その場所で‌‌大規模な放射線スパイク‌‌が観測されました。
  • NIDSチームにはなかった現代の機器を用いることで、彼らが捉えられなかった現象の証拠を捉えることができたのは、彼らの技術的限界によるものです。
• ‌‌環境と動物への影響‌‌:
  • 牛が‌‌理由もなく突然倒れて死んだ‌‌事例や、牛が‌‌理由もなく一箇所に群がって動かなくなる‌‌行動の変化が報告されています。
  • ‌‌原因不明の放射線スパイク‌‌が突然発生することもあります。
  • GPSがメサ内部や地下に表示されるなど、奇妙な現象が観測されました。
• ‌‌理論的考察‌‌:
  • Marinaccio氏は、UAPが異次元的な旅行やポータル（ワームホール）を使用する際に、‌‌時空に「裂け目」が生じ、それに近い場所では時間の希釈効果（time dilation effect）が起こる‌‌可能性を指摘しています。これにより、「ミッシングタイム」が発生すると説明しています。
  • 現象が物理的な境界を認識しないことは、‌‌量子もつれ‌‌の概念と結びつけられています。これは、距離が量子方程式の価値に影響しないため、牧場で起こることが遠く離れた場所で起こっても不思議ではないという考えです。
  • UAPは、ロケットの発射や掘削作業といった‌‌人間活動に反応して現れる‌‌ことが多く、「何が起こっているのか」と調査しているかのようです。Marinaccio氏は、UAPが意図的な目的を持っており、それが「何かが問題であるかどうかを確認する」ことである可能性を提唱しています。

これらの経験と考察は、スキンウォーカー牧場での現象が単なる超常現象に留まらず、人間、電子機器、環境に多方面にわたる影響を及ぼし、その根底には私たちがまだ理解できない高度な科学や異次元的な存在が関与している可能性を示唆しています。Marinaccio氏は、私たちの理解が限られているからこそ、現象が単純に見えるだけであり、その真の性質ははるかに複雑であると考えています。

異なる視点からの相互作用

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スキンウォーカー牧場現象の理論と考察というより大きな文脈において、情報源はMark Marinaccio氏の見解を中心に、‌‌UAP（未確認空中現象）が異なる視点から私たちとどのように相互作用し、また私たちがその相互作用をどのように認識しているか‌‌について説明しています。Marinaccio氏は、牧場での多くの現象は‌‌異次元的な性質を持つ‌‌と考えています。

Marinaccio氏が提示する異なる視点からの相互作用に関する主要な点は以下の通りです。

• ‌‌UAPの人間活動への反応‌‌:

  • Marinaccio氏は、UAPが‌‌ロケットの発射や掘削作業といった人間活動に反応して現れる‌‌ことが多いと指摘しています。これは、UAPが人間側の行動を監視し、「何が起こっているのか」を調査しているかのような相互作用を示唆しています。彼は、UAPが「何かが問題であるかどうかを確認する」という‌‌意図的な目的‌‌を持っている可能性を提唱しています。

• ‌‌現象の異なる認識‌‌:

  • ‌‌「私たちのロケット、彼らのドローン」説‌‌: Marinaccio氏は、人間が三角形の領域にロケットを発射するとUAPが現れる現象について、興味深い仮説を立てています。それは、「‌‌別の空間、場所、または時間において、誰かが異なる視点からその異常を観察しており、彼らは私たちのロケットである火の玉が上昇するのを見ている。そこで彼らはドローンを送り出してそれを間近で見ようとし、私たちが見ている彼らのドローンが私たちのUAPである‌‌」というものです。これは、同じ事象が異なる次元や時間軸にいる存在によって全く異なるものとして認識・解釈され、相互作用が生まれている可能性を示しています。
  • ‌‌UFOの光の正体‌‌: UFOの「光」がなぜ存在するのかという疑問に対し、Marinaccio氏はそれが「‌‌推進システムの人工物‌‌」である可能性を挙げています。光の反射、屈折、熱エネルギーの発生、または電気的なチャージであるかもしれず、私たちが「飛行機のライト」のように解釈しているだけで、実際にはUAP側の意図ではなく、‌‌活動の副産物‌‌である可能性が高いと述べています。

• ‌‌距離と次元の認識‌‌:

  • ‌‌量子もつれとヒッチハイカー効果‌‌: スキンウォーカー牧場で起こる「ヒッチハイカー効果」は、現象が牧場を離れた人々にもついてくるというものです。Marinaccio氏はこれを「‌‌量子もつれ‌‌」として説明し、意識、潜在意識、脳の化学作用などを通じて量子レベルでのつながりが生まれる可能性があると述べています。この場合、「‌‌宇宙における距離は、量子もつれに関しては方程式の価値ではない‌‌」とされ、私たちの現実における「距離」という概念は、観測可能な宇宙外に存在する接続には適用されないかもしれないと考察しています。これは、相互作用が私たちの次元の物理法則を超えて行われていることを示唆します。

• ‌‌非対称な相互作用と理解の限界‌‌:

  • ‌‌池の中の魚の例え‌‌: Marinaccio氏は、次元間の相互作用を「池の中の魚」に例えています。魚は水上にある私たちの世界を知らないが、私たちはスキューバギアなどの技術を使って彼らの世界と物理的に相互作用できると説明しています。この例えは、‌‌私たちが魚のように、より高度な次元の存在やその相互作用を理解できない可能性‌‌があることを示唆しています。彼らは私たちの世界に限定的に介入できるかもしれないが、その真の科学的意味を私たちが理解するには時間がかかると考えています。

これらの考察は、スキンウォーカー牧場の現象が単純な物理的相互作用に留まらず、私たちの理解を超える多次元的な視点と、それがもたらす非対称な相互作用によって引き起こされている可能性を強く示唆しています。Marinaccio氏は、私たちが理解できる答えは「おそらく答えではない」と述べ、‌‌人間の理解の限界‌‌を強調しています。

Bigelow 実験の再現

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スキンウォーカー牧場現象の理論と考察、特に‌‌NIDSチームの実験の再現と発見‌‌というより大きな文脈において、情報源はMark Marinaccio氏のチームがシーズン3で行った‌‌ビゲロー実験の再現‌‌について、具体的なプロセスとそこで起きた驚くべき発見を詳細に述べています。

ビゲロー実験の再現とその発見

1. ‌‌NIDSチームの背景とビゲロー氏の役割‌‌:

   • NIDS（National Institute of Discovery Scientists）は、ロバート・ビゲロー氏が設立した科学チームで、ジョン・アレクサンダー大佐らがスキンウォーカー牧場で研究を行っていました。
   • DIA（国防情報局）もNIDSの後、BASとOSAPを設立し、牧場で研究を行っていました。

2. ‌‌特定の実験の再現‌‌:

   • シーズン3において、Marinaccio氏のチームは、ビゲロー氏が行った‌‌「溝を掘る」という実験‌‌を再現しようとしました。
   • 彼らは、NIDSチームの一員であったジョン・アレクサンダー大佐から貴重な情報と知見を得ました。

3. ‌‌再現のプロセスと現象‌‌:

   • チームは、溝が掘られた場所に‌‌巨大なブルドーザー‌‌を持ち込みました。このブルドーザーは新品で、整備も行き届き、バッテリーも新品でした。
   • しかし、ブルドーザーはブレードで一度溝を掘った後、‌‌突然停止し、再起動できなくなりました‌‌。誰もその理由を特定できませんでした。
   • このブルドーザーが停止した場所で、Eric氏がテストツールを取りに管制センターに戻った際、モニターに‌‌大規模な放射線スパイク‌‌が現れているのを発見しました。これにより、チーム全員がその場から退避しなければなりませんでした。

4. ‌‌その後の夜の観察と更なる発見‌‌:

   • その夜、チームは安全な距離からブルドーザーのエリアを観察することにしました。
   • Marinaccio氏は、‌‌奇妙な黄色の光‌‌を目撃しました。Thomas氏とCaleb氏もそれを見て、追いかけたとされています。この光は最も明るい黄色の懐中電灯のように見えましたが、その明るさと光線は光源から1インチ以内に留まり、広がることはなく、上下に動き、その後消えました。
   • 観察中に、ロケットが発射されました。ロケットが上昇した場所から、‌‌1.65ギガヘルツの信号‌‌がYagiアンテナで捉えられました。
   • Travis氏が音をオンにすると、彼が「‌‌通信音‌‌」と呼んだものが聞こえました。この信号は約1時間続き、アンテナをわずかに動かすだけで失われるほど、非常にピンポイントなものでした。Travis氏は、その高度での移動速度が遅すぎるため、星でも衛星でもないと断言しました。
   • さらに、この1.65ギガヘルツの信号から得られた音をFMラジオ局で放送したところ、その放送から数時間以内に、‌‌赤いUFOのような物体が6～8個、近隣の空に出現する映像‌‌が撮影されました。これは、この信号と現象との間に非常に重要な関係があることを示唆しています。

5. ‌‌NIDSチームとの技術的差異‌‌:

   • ジョン・アレクサンダー大佐は、NIDSチームが現象を経験し、目撃したものの、彼らの時代にはMarinaccio氏のチームが持っていたような‌‌高度な機器がなかったため、証拠を捉えることができなかった‌‌と述べています。Marinaccio氏は、現代の技術がNIDSチームには不可能だった証拠の収集を可能にしたことを示唆しています。

これらの再現実験とそれに伴う予期せぬ発見は、スキンウォーカー牧場の現象が単なる偶然ではなく、特定の人間活動（掘削やロケット発射など）に反応して発生する意図的な相互作用を示唆しており、さらにUAPや異次元的存在とのコミュニケーションの可能性を追求する上で、1.65ギガヘルツの信号が重要な手がかりとなることを浮き彫りにしています。

遠距離からの観察とトリガー

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スキンウォーカー牧場現象の理論と考察、特に「NIDSチームの実験の再現と発見」というより大きな文脈において、情報源はMark Marinaccio氏のチームが体験した‌‌遠距離からの観察‌‌と、現象を‌‌トリガーする活動‌‌について具体的に説明しています。

遠距離からの観察とトリガーに関する主要な点：

1. ‌‌ビゲロー実験の再現と初期の発見‌‌:

   • Marinaccio氏のチームは、NIDSチームが過去に行った‌‌「溝を掘る」実験‌‌を再現しようとしました。
   • この再現実験では、新品の‌‌巨大なブルドーザーが一度溝を掘っただけで停止し、再起動不能‌‌になりました。原因は不明でした。
   • その後、管制センターで‌‌大規模な放射線スパイク‌‌が検出され、チームは一時的にその場から‌‌退避‌‌を余儀なくされました。

2. ‌‌退避後の遠距離からの観察‌‌:

   • チームは、安全を確保するため、その夜に‌‌ブルドーザーのエリアを遠距離から観察‌‌することにしました。
   • この観察中にMarinaccio氏は‌‌奇妙な黄色の光‌‌を目撃しました。この光は非常に明るい黄色の懐中電灯のように見えましたが、その明るさと光線は光源から1インチ以内に留まり、広がることはなく、上下に動いた後、消えました。Thomas氏とCaleb氏もそれを追いかけたとされています。

3. ‌‌現象のトリガーと重要な信号の発見‌‌:

   • ‌‌ロケットの発射‌‌が現象を「トリガーする」方法として用いられました。チームがロケットを発射したところ、ロケットが上昇した正確な場所から、Yagiアンテナで‌‌1.65ギガヘルツの信号‌‌が捉えられました。
   • Travis氏が音をオンにすると、彼が「‌‌通信音‌‌」と呼んだものが聞こえました。この信号は約1時間続き、アンテナをわずかに動かすだけで失われるほど、‌‌非常にピンポイントなもの‌‌でした。Travis氏は、その高度での移動速度が遅すぎるため、星や衛星ではないと断言しています。
   • さらに、Marinaccio氏は、UAPが‌‌ロケットの発射や掘削作業といった人間活動に反応して現れる‌‌ことが多いと指摘しています。これは、UAPが人間側の行動を監視し、調査しているかのような相互作用を示唆しています。

4. ‌‌信号とUFO現象の関連性‌‌:

   • この1.65ギガヘルツの信号から得られた音をFMラジオ局で放送したところ、その放送から数時間以内に、‌‌6～8個の赤いUFOのような物体が近隣の空に出現する映像‌‌が撮影されました。これは、この信号と現象との間に非常に重要な関係があることを示唆しています。Marinaccio氏は、この周波数信号が‌‌より深いコミュニケーションと接触‌‌のために使用できる可能性を考えています。

5. ‌‌技術進歩による発見の差‌‌:

   • ジョン・アレクサンダー大佐は、NIDSチームの時代にはMarinaccio氏のチームが持っていたような‌‌高度な機器がなかったため、証拠を捉えることができなかった‌‌と述べています。現代の技術が、過去には不可能だった遠距離からの観察や現象の記録を可能にしたことが示唆されています。

これらの発見は、スキンウォーカー牧場の現象が単なる偶然ではなく、特定の人間活動に反応して発生する意図的な相互作用であり、さらにUAPや異次元的存在とのコミュニケーションの可能性を追求する上で、‌‌1.65ギガヘルツの信号が重要な手がかり‌‌となることを示しています。

NIDS チームとの違い

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「NIDSチームの実験の再現と発見」というより大きな文脈において、情報源はNIDSチームとMark Marinaccio氏のチームの主な違い、特に現象の調査と証拠の収集における‌‌技術的な能力と結果‌‌に焦点を当てています。

NIDSチームとの違い

1. ‌‌NIDSチームの背景‌‌:

   • NIDS（National Institute of Discovery Scientists）は、ロバート・ビゲロー氏が結成した科学チームであり、ジョン・アレクサンダー大佐もその一員でした。
   • 彼らはスキンウォーカー牧場で調査を行い、特定の実験（例えば溝を掘る実験）を実施していました。
   • NIDSチームは現象を経験し、目撃しましたが、「‌‌当時の技術的限界‌‌」に直面していました。

2. ‌‌Mark Marinaccio氏のチームによるNIDS実験の再現と現代の技術‌‌:

   • シーズン3において、Mark Marinaccio氏のチームは、NIDSチームが過去に行った‌‌ビゲロー氏の「溝を掘る」実験を再現‌‌しようとしました。ジョン・アレクサンダー大佐から貴重な情報と知見を得ています。
   • Marinaccio氏のチームは、NIDSチームとは異なり、‌‌より高度な現代の機器と技術‌‌を持っていました。
   • この技術的優位性が、彼らが‌‌具体的な証拠を捉え、現象との関連性を分析する‌‌ことを可能にしました。

3. ‌‌再現実験における決定的な違いと発見‌‌:

   • ‌‌ブルドーザーの故障と放射線スパイクの検出‌‌: Marinaccio氏のチームが新品のブルドーザーで溝を掘ろうとした際、ブルドーザーはすぐに停止し、再起動できませんでした。その後、管制センターのモニターで‌‌大規模な放射線スパイク‌‌が検出され、チームは一時避難を余儀なくされました。NIDSチームの時代には、このような具体的な測定・記録は困難だったと示唆されています。
   • ‌‌信号の特定とUAPとの関連性‌‌: チームはロケットを発射することで現象を「トリガー」しました。その結果、ロケットが上昇した正確な場所から、‌‌1.65ギガヘルツの信号‌‌をYagiアンテナで捕捉することに成功しました。この信号は「通信音」と呼ばれ、約1時間続き、非常にピンポイントなものでした。
   • ‌‌直接的な反応の観測‌‌: Marinaccio氏は、この1.65ギガヘルツの信号から得られた音をFMラジオ局で放送したところ、その放送から数時間以内に、近隣の空に‌‌6～8個の赤いUFOのような物体が出現する映像‌‌が撮影されたことを発見しました。これは、NIDSチームが捉えることのできなかった、‌‌人間側の活動とUAP現象との間に非常に直接的で、タイムリーな関連性‌‌があることを示す決定的な証拠となりました。

4. ‌‌アレクサンダー大佐の証言‌‌:

   • ジョン・アレクサンダー大佐は、NIDSチームが現象を経験し、物事を目撃したものの、Marinaccio氏のチームが持っていたような‌‌高度な機器がなかったため、証拠を捉えることができなかった‌‌と明言しています。彼は、NIDSが証拠を捉えられなかったことは「奇妙ではなかった」と述べており、現代の技術が「（NIDSが）できなかったように、証拠を捉える」ことを可能にしたことを強調しています。

要するに、NIDSチームは「経験と目撃」の時代にありましたが、Mark Marinaccio氏のチームは、‌‌現代の技術を駆使して「測定、記録、および特定の現象との関連性の立証」‌‌の段階へと進んだという点が、最も重要な違いであると言えます。

時系列

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• 1970年代: Mark Marinaccioの母親が霊能者として知られるようになる。彼の父親はSF映画やテレビ番組を好み、Markの未確認現象への興味の土台を築く。

• 2005年: Mark Marinaccioがジョージ・ナップとコルム・ケラーの著書『ハント・フォー・ザ・スキンウォーカー』を読み、スキンウォーカー牧場を世界で最も訪れたい場所と考えるようになる。

• 過去22年間: Mark Marinaccioは、主にパラノーマル現象、未確認生物、UFO、謎、呪いなどをテーマとした映画制作のキャリアを積む。

• 不明（NIDSチームの活動時期）: ロバート・ビゲローが設立した科学チームNIDS（National Institute of Discovery Scientists）がジョン・アレキサンダー大佐らと共にスキンウォーカー牧場で研究を行う。彼らは現象を経験するものの、当時の技術では十分な証拠を捉えられなかった。

• NIDSチームの活動後: 国防情報局（DIA）がBASとOSAPを設立し、NIDSの研究を引き継ぎ、スキンウォーカー牧場で研究を行う。

• スキンウォーカー牧場の所有者遍歴: ロバート・ビゲローが牧場を所有し、軍やDIAが研究を行った後、ブランドン・フューガルが牧場を購入する。

• 15年間: Mark Marinaccioはスキンウォーカー牧場に関連する番組企画を各ネットワークに売り込むが、成功しなかった。

• 不明（Mark Marinaccioがプロデューサーになる前）: スキンウォーカー牧場を舞台にしたテレビ番組がシーズン1と2を放送。Mark Marinaccioはこれらを視聴する。

• 不明（シーズン3の撮影開始約2週間前）: Mark Marinaccioがシーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサーとしてスキンウォーカー牧場に到着。トラヴィス・テイラー、ブランドン・フューガル、エリック・バーカード、ドラゴン、トーマス・ウィンタートンらと顔を合わせ、準備を開始する。彼は初めて牧場を訪れた際、その平和で穏やかな雰囲気に驚く。

• スキンウォーカー牧場シーズン3撮影中（約4ヶ月間）:Mark MarinaccioがUAP（未確認航空現象）を初めて目撃する。

• 大規模なブルドーザーを用いたBigelowの実験の再現中に、ブルドーザーが故障し、その場所に大規模な放射線スパイクが発生する。

• トム・ルイスが心臓に異常をきたし、病院に運ばれる。医師は「何か電気的なもの」が原因で不整脈が起きたと診断する。

• トーマス・ウィンタートンがひどい頭痛や不調を感じ、牧場を離れるよう促される。

• GPSの異常（地中での検出）とクリス・バーテルからの情報に基づき、メサの特定の場所で横方向の掘削が行われる。

• 掘削中にドリルビットが硬い物体に当たり、金属片が発見される。同時に1.65ギガヘルツの高周波音が検出され、無線機を通じてトム・ルイスに影響を与える。掘削結果から、メサの下に約400フィート幅のドーム型物体が存在することが示唆される。

• ロケットの発射実験が、UAPの出現を誘発する引き金となる。

• 南の空に黒い穴のような中心を持つUAPが出現し、ゆっくりと移動する。エリック・バーカードのADS-Bやトラヴィス・テイラーの専門知識により、既知の航空機や衛星ではないことが確認される。

• 望遠鏡がUAPを捉えようとすると、機能不全に陥り、星図データが削除される。

• レーザーがUAPの異常な領域で止まる、分裂する、曲がるなどの現象が見られる。

• 特定の周波数（1.65ギガヘルツ）の信号をFMラジオ局で放送した数時間後、ホテル従業員の証言により、その地域で複数の赤いUFO型物体が出現したことが確認される。

• 牧場の動物たちが異常な行動を示す（例：健康な牛の突然死、牛の群れが理由もなく一箇所に集まる）。

• 電化製品の故障やマイクの接続不良など、「ランチド」（牧場の影響を受けた）現象が頻繁に起こる。

• 人々の間で理由なく怒りや苛立ちが高まる期間がある。

• 森の中で奇妙な動きをする黄色い光が目撃される。

• Mark Marinaccioは個人的にクリーチャーやエイリアン、物体が単独で動く現象を目撃することはないが、UAPの目撃や、特定の行動によって現象が誘発される能力を経験する。

• 現在: Mark MarinaccioとDave Altmanが、UFOの目撃談や証拠を持つ人々を募集する新しいテレビシリーズのキャスティングを行っている。これは主要なケーブルネットワーク向けで、専門家が分析を行い、体験者への回答を提供することを目的としている。撮影は5月にも開始予定。

主要関係者

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• Mark Marinaccio (マーク・マリナッチョ): 本インタビューの語り手。スキンウォーカー牧場のテレビシリーズシーズン3のショーランナー兼プロデューサー。母親は霊能者、父親はSF好きという家庭で育ち、幼い頃から未確認現象に強い関心を持つ。22年以上にわたりパラノーマル現象をテーマにした番組制作に携わっており、「ゴーストハンターズ」のシーズン3、3.5、4でフィールドを統括した経験がある。スキンウォーカー牧場へのアクセスを15年間試み、念願叶って参加した。UFOやエイリアンの現象を「異次元的」なものと捉える理論を提唱している。
• Martin Willis (マーティン・ウィリス): 本インタビューの聞き手であり、ホスト。UFOやパラノーマル現象に深い関心を持ち、これまでにブランドン・フューガル、エリック・バーカード、デイブ・メイソン、トラヴィス・テイラーなど、スキンウォーカー牧場関連の人物を番組に招いている。
• Brandon Fugal (ブランドン・フューガル): スキンウォーカー牧場の現在の所有者。番組に登場する研究チームを組織し、科学的な調査を支援している。「ハント・フォー・ザ・スキンウォーカー」の著者の一人。
• Travis Taylor (トラヴィス・テイラー): スキンウォーカー牧場の研究チームに所属する科学者。衛星を宇宙に送り出した経験を持つなど、高度な科学的知識を持つ。UAPの動きや特性を分析し、既知の現象ではないことを確認する役割を担う。Uinta Basin全体が衝突地点のように見えるという説を提唱したことがある。
• Eric Bard (エリック・バーカード): スキンウォーカー牧場のセキュリティとカメラシステム、センサーの設置などを担当する人物。常に新しい現象捕捉システムを導入している。
• Dave Mason (デイブ・メイソン): スキンウォーカー牧場関連の番組に複数回出演している人物。
• George Knapp (ジョージ・ナップ): 『ハント・フォー・ザ・スキンウォーカー』の共著者の一人。
• Colm Kelleher (コルム・ケラー): 『ハント・フォー・ザ・スキンウォーカー』の共著者の一人。
• Robert Bigelow (ロバート・ビゲロー): スキンウォーカー牧場の以前の所有者。NIDSを設立し、牧場で科学的な研究を行った。Mark Marinaccioらのチームは、Bigelowの実験（塹壕を掘る）を再現しようとした。
• John Alexander (ジョン・アレキサンダー): NIDSチームに所属していた大佐。Mark Marinaccioらのチームに、Bigelow時代の実験に関する重要な情報を提供した。
• Tom Lewis (トム・ルイス): スキンウォーカー牧場シーズン3の撮影中に、高周波信号の影響を受けて心臓の不整脈を起こし、病院に搬送された人物。
• Thomas Winterton (トーマス・ウィンタートン): スキンウォーカー牧場シーズン3の撮影中に、ひどい頭痛や体調不良を訴え、牧場を一時的に離れることを余儀なくされた人物。
• Chris Bartel (クリス・バーテル): OSAP時代に牧場の軍の警備員だった人物。Bigelowの洞窟の場所に関する情報を提供した。
• Dave Altman (デイブ・アルトマン): Mark Marinaccioと共に新しいUFO番組のキャスティングに携わっている人物。
• Bambi Dudley (バンビ・ダドリー): マーティン・ウィリスの番組でゲスト招聘を助けている人物。

情報源

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SPECIAL SHOW： Mark Marinaccio, Skinwalker Ranch, UFO Experiencers & More

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDnuAcTE-WU

文字起こし（話者識別）

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（以下は、"SPECIAL SHOW： Mark Marinaccio, Skinwalker Ranch, UFO Experiencers & More" と題された遠隔インタビュー動画の文字起こしです。語り手は Mark Marinaccio (SPEAKER_00)で、聞き手は Martin Willis （SKPEAKER_01）です。）

[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, I'm Martin Willis, your host, and welcome back. This is the third show this week, actually, but this is the second show that's going on on the podcast stream. And what's happened is I am booked way ahead. And this particular guest, I'm really glad to have him on. Mark Maranchio, Maranchio, something like that. He can correct me. He's coming up for this show in particular because he also has a casting call coming up. So I didn't want him to miss that because who knows, someone listening to this may be just the person that he's looking for. (00:01:17)

[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to be talking about Skinwalker Ranch. It's always a fascinating topic. And he was right in there for, I believe it was three or four months, and saw all kinds of things happen firsthand. And we'll talk a little bit about... he's got quite an extensive background. I want to encourage you to take a look in the show notes or in the text down below in the YouTube and look at his bio. It's pretty amazing. (00:01:43)

[SPEAKER_01]: He's done a lot of things. And he has a lot of interest in the topic of what we're going to be talking about, paranormal in general, but UFOs as well. And it's my pleasure to have him on the show. Welcome, Mark. Hey, Martin, thanks for having me. It's Marinocio. You were really close. Marinocio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot to ask you before we went live. I don't know how to pronounce that. (00:02:08)

[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, close enough, right? But thank you. And you have had an interest in this a long time, and you've done a lot of work, if just briefly, for the person that has never heard from you before. What is your background? And why did you kind of have an interest in this and kind of head in that direction? When it comes to filming and all that? (00:02:30)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I grew up in the world in a way. My mom is a sensitive psychic. I mean, back in the 70s, it wasn't really called that, right. But she grew up, I grew up with her very much having, you know, these abilities, but also being in tune and spiritual. And my father loved watching science fiction movies and TV shows. So you can imagine, you know, I never really stood a chance to do anything else. But so I, you know, I always had an interest in a career path towards filmmaking, storytelling, writing, directing, and I went to did my thing in film school and then came out to Los Angeles. And not too long after I got here, this sort of reality boom started. (00:03:24)

[SPEAKER_00]: And so suddenly, I found myself with this incredible opportunity to go out to places and explore things that I was interested in, that I wanted to tell stories about. Anyway, so the first paranormal show that I did was Ghost Hunters, I ran the field for Ghost Hunters back in season three, three and a half and four. So in fact, very first episode I produced of Ghost Hunters, Proust and directed was the Lep Castle, Ireland, you know, the whole Ireland and UK group of shows. So, you know, I went into being a storyteller because of my interest in the unexplained and, you know, the unknown. (00:04:10)

[SPEAKER_00]: And really, it was always UFOs and aliens, that's kind of where I really got, you know, my interest when I was young. And, you know, partially because of the, the TV shows and movies that I watched, partially because of, you know, my background and other things, but just I have a great imagination, I still do. And I love all these possibilities. I always say if I was much smarter, I would have been some kind of scientist, right? Studied, you know, maybe quantum mechanics or something. (00:04:39)

[SPEAKER_00]: So I always love the idea of, you know, the potential science that explains the unexplained, right? Today's paranormal is tomorrow's science, right? But, you know, so shows like Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, all these kinds of shows and movies, you know, just really got me interested in the ideas of, wow, one day, what will the technology be? And then what will that mean and open the door? And that was just, you know, as a child, and obviously, as I grew in my understanding of the world, and limited understanding of the universe grew, I started looking for, how can I start to make some connections? (00:05:29)

[SPEAKER_00]: What can I do? How can I be actively participating in the story of what is it all? What is it? And so, as a storyteller, when I got the opportunity to get onto Ghost Hunters, I jumped at it. And then pretty much for the last, you know, 22 or so years, my resume is primarily paranormal, unexplained, ghost monsters, UFOs, Bigfoot, mysteries, curses, you know, with the occasional series here or there that's off that path, but it's been the main direction. And then, you know, of course, I write and whatnot as well, all in the same wheelhouse. (00:06:08)

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow. And so, what was, just, I remember seeing Ghost Hunters, it was called, right? Yeah, Ghost Hunters was, you know, the OG paranormal show. Yeah. And what was that like? I mean, those castles can be really eerie. But, you know, I think some of that, now that you look back on it, I don't want to say stage, but do you think it's over-exaggerated or, you know, like sounds and things like that, you know? (00:06:43)

[SPEAKER_00]: So, the editing of the presentation of anything is about the presenter's influence on it or how they want to make you feel, you know? You know, horror movies are fake, yet you can't stop but jump and shiver when shot A plus shot B equals shot C, you know? And that's not staged or fake, that's literally the movie is trying to elicit an emotion from you or, you know, sort of stimulate certain areas. And so, with paranormal shows, yeah, they're meant to do different things depending on the shows, you know? (00:07:22)

[SPEAKER_00]: And Ghost Hunters, I mean, it's legitimately guys walking around in the dark with flashlights in the creepiest places in the world at night. And so, the music and the editing, you know, the psychology of storytelling lends to the experiences that you have when you watch it, ideally, you know? It's not a science show, it's not a, you know, it's not a comedy, right? I mean, so it's, you know, sensationalized in a way that is, you know, appropriate for the content. (00:07:58)

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'd like to jump right into Skinwalker Ranch because I think that that place is fascinating. So, you know, so many, you know, I've had a number of people on this show, including Brandon, and I'm trying to think of the other people, Burrard, what's his last name is? Burrard, I can't think of his first name. Eric Burrard. Yeah, that's him. And Dave Mason, who's on this season now, he's been on a number, a few times. And, you know, Travis Taylor, people like that. (00:08:30)

[SPEAKER_01]: But the bottom line, I read Skinwalker Ranch, I can't remember the name, the title of the book exactly, by George Knapp and Colm Keller, yeah, several years ago, and it just kind of blew me away, some of those things. So, how did all that come about? You ended up, I mean, I really would, I have this thing where I really want to get on the ranch. I talked to Brandon off air about it. I said, Brandon, is there any way that my producer Donna and I could come out to the ranch? (00:09:06)

[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, sure, but, you know, let's check with, you know, everyone that's involved. And it was just going to be too much of a hassle for everyone. So I didn't want to... (00:09:16)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you really can't go out there during filming. It's just too much of a logistical, you know, imposition. But Brandon's great. Brandon's such a great guy. Yeah. So, you know, I read the book, Hunt for the Skinwalker, George Knapp, Colm Keller, right? Yeah. I read that book in 2005, I guess. And I've tried to get on that ranch ever since then. It was the number one place I wanted to visit in the world because of everything being, you know, what supposedly happened on that place being every kind of paranormal, unexplainable phenomena, you know, that's ever been experienced anywhere, all happening at one place. So the idea was intriguing. (00:10:01)

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you couldn't first, you know, Bigelow obviously owned it and the military and DIA did their research there. And then Brandon bought it. So there was just no way to get on it. And I pitched every show imaginable to every network throughout the 15 years that was, you know, Skinwalker Ranch adjacent, right? We can get on the Mesa above the ranch, we can get behind the ranch, we can get next to the ranch. But there wasn't enough, you know, understood or interest in that space for people to care about an area outside of just the actual ranch. (00:10:34)

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you've got Blind Frog Ranch, you've got, you know, Space Wolf Research, you've got the entire Uinta Basin open up for exploration because it's, you know, the ranch happens to be the most heavily investigated single location within that area over the longest period of time. But it doesn't mean there aren't similar things happening everywhere. In fact, there are around that Uinta Basin. So, you know, for 15 years, I wanted to get there. (00:11:00)

[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was asked if I would come to run and produce, showrun and produce the season three, you know, I said, yeah, absolutely. You know, somewhere I want, not only a place I wanted to get to, but a story that I wanted to be a part of, because my approach to making these shows isn't, you know, just document whatever happens. I'm very engaged and I work with the teams, whether it's their ghost hunting, bigfoot hunting, UFOs or aliens, and bring, you know, my years of experience, my approach as I can play audience member, I can play researcher, I can play, you know, producer, director, storyteller, writer. (00:11:41)

[SPEAKER_00]: So I can wear a lot of hats or look through a lot of different lenses and approaching it. But I also, you know, have the ability to have perspective, right? So they've had already done two seasons. I'd watched both seasons. I've been a part, you know, trying to understand that ranch and every aspect of it for, like I said, 15 years. So when I went in, you know, I said, hey, well, it looks like this works and you've done this and done that. What are you guys thinking about doing? (00:12:08)

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to do? You know, and look where I can add value, right? And then obviously support the ideas, but look where I can add value with my own ideas and direction. And of course they're the scientists, right? And they're the ones doing it all. They don't have to listen to me at all, but I hope that I bring enough to the table to be, you know, to be an integral part of that. And that's how I approach every one of the projects I do. (00:12:35)

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the part about making the TV show is what gets me access to places that most people never get access to. So making the TV show is the reward for the audience, right? For investing their time. And I take that very seriously and I love telling stories, but, you know, below all that, below the surface is just me wanting to go to these great places and be a part of these experiences. Wow. (00:13:03)

[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't you describe like you going in the first time, what it was like and how long were you a day ahead of them actually filming and you being part of that? (00:13:15)

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I think the first of all, I recorded myself on video when I went through the gates for the first time. It was that big of an experience to me. You know, I made sure to document, you know, punching in the code and driving through and then, wow, this is Skinwalker Ranch. And I'll tell you, the first thing that I noticed that was really odd was how peaceful it was there. Once I got out of the car, it was quiet. (00:13:40)

[SPEAKER_00]: It was, you know, beautiful landscape. It was peaceful. It was serene. When you go to like an old haunted castle or hospital or asylum, you feel the weight of it, you know, in tragedy, you'll punch you in the gut when you walk through the doors. And that's just not Skinwalker Ranch, which was actually surprising, right? Because of everything you've ever heard about the place. So that was interesting to me. But, you know, going through it was just really like, wow, I mean, I'm actually here. (00:14:05)

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually on this property. I'm going to be here for the next, you know, at the time, 12, 13, 14 weeks, which turned out to be a little bit longer. It's about four months total. And, you know, it was just a moment of great sense of accomplishment, because had it not been for the career I had built prior to that moment, I would not have had the opportunity to be where I was at that point. So all those years I spent trying to get to the ranch, while, you know, continuing to make shows that were about that world, you know, as a whole, is what got me on the ranch. (00:14:55)

[SPEAKER_00]: Not any of the shows I pitched before, just what I had done, you know, in the past, which is fun. So we were, we get there, I think we get there about two weeks before filming begins, something like that, a couple of weeks. We're prepping the show from the office, lining up whatever needs to happen well in advance of that. But then I think we get there maybe two or so weeks before filming begins. Enough time, especially for me to meet Travis and Brandon and Eric and everybody and Dragon and Thomas and get to know them a little bit, and then get the lay of the land, see where everything is. (00:15:28)

[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, pretty, pretty quickly after that, we're just jumping right into it. You know, the trailers are getting dropped off and the, you know, the gear and this and that, and everyone's putting the lighting up and doing, you know, just doing what we got to do. Meanwhile, Eric never stops. And he's always installing new camera systems or having new security measures put up for capturing, you know, phenomena. So we also have to get up to speed on that, make sure, okay, how do we make sure we get the footage when you're done so they can get on the show? (00:15:58)

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, what does that add to everything? And then, you know, the big thing about Skinwalker Ranch, like a lot of places, but well, way more so there is you have to have redundancies. I mean, no matter how many cameras you have up, the phenomena that you see will be in the spot that's not being filmed or is being filmed, but that camera decides to point itself at the ground just at the moment that there's, you know, a UFO or something popping up. So building in redundancies, you know, and then just the basics of like internet so we can work while we're there. (00:16:31)

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a lot, it's a lot to do. (00:16:32)

[SPEAKER_01]: I would think that internet would not be an easy thing to get in there because it's so isolated. (00:16:39)

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, but it is and it isn't. I mean, the gate, where the gate is, that's a residential road that right on the other side of the gate, there's houses, you know, so it's not, you know, it's isolated as far as it's not, you know, the closest town being like Roosevelt or Vernal, which are, you know, a good chunk of distance away, 30 minutes or so. So yeah, so you're not popping into the corner store for, you know, to grab, grab a Coke or anything without driving 30 minutes or something, you know. (00:17:12)

[SPEAKER_00]: So it is pretty much out there in the middle of nowhere. And then even those towns are very small, but it is like a regular, you know, it is, does have an entry on, there's grants, there's only maybe four or five houses there, but there are other properties there. You know, now it's easy. Like I was out in the desert and I just had a Starlink with me, portable Starlink, and I got broadband level speed, no matter where, in the middle of nowhere where I was. So it's, you know, but even then it was, that really wasn't a thing yet. (00:17:41)

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it was a little bit challenging. (00:17:46)

[SPEAKER_01]: If someone is trying to get into the place, is it just the gate that's holding them out? I mean, there's no security there outside. I understand there's a lot of people always trying to get in there. Do you see a lot of that? Oh, your mic is muted. I can see it right there. Let me see what happened, if I can try to do something. Now try that. (00:18:15)

[SPEAKER_01]: How about now? (00:18:16)

[SPEAKER_00]: Does it work now? (00:18:17)

[SPEAKER_01]: You're fine now. Oh, that's great. (00:18:18)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got a notification that said your browser lost connection with your mic. Oh, when you talk about Skinwalker Ranch, we always say, that's right. We say, you know, when something happens like this and electronics don't work, we say, you've been ranched. And that happens without fail every time, every time. So, you know, there's a security gate there. And again, cameras and sensors, there's even, you know, the property begins before the gate. So there's a big tower with cameras and lights on it and a speaker. (00:18:53)

[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you get to that point, you know, if you pass that to get to the gate, you're trespassing, but it's an automatic sensor. It'll tell you, you know, like, you know, you can't go past this point. And then, you know, people do, I imagine, try to sneak on a lot, but it's a pretty well, you know, anybody could get anywhere if they really try, but good luck getting on a place that's got cameras and sensors covering every square inch of it. I mean, this it's, it's, it's not really realistic. (00:19:25)

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And you mentioned something earlier and, you know, I've often thought about that as well. And that is, you know, the surrounding areas. I mean, a phenomena would have no borderline, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't know, this is the ranch and the property stops here and the deed says... Depends on what the phenomena is. (00:19:45)

[SPEAKER_00]: I would have always, I always said the same exact thing, but there were multiple times where the ranch appeared to be targeted. And the, you know, for instance, if we're capturing the 1.65 gigahertz signal with an antenna that's pointed straight at where we are on the ranch and you move the antenna just of, you know, a fraction of, of an inch, a centimeter, a millimeter in any direction and the signal's lost. So that signal is very, very pointed, you know, the, the anomaly above the triangle, you know not sure, of course that could spread, but it appears to be concentrated right over the area of the triangle. (00:20:29)

[SPEAKER_00]: So it is a little bit like, you know, interesting. And then there's the, the area that we did the lateral drilling and the digging. So I would normally say, of course it's everywhere, you know, it's got no boundaries, but that then would assume that I know what all boundaries look like. Hmm. (00:20:49)

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. And as far as a lot of people talk about at Skinwalker Ranch in particular, about being worried about a hitchhiker effect, was that something that you ever had thought about? (00:21:04)

[SPEAKER_00]: That's like what I'm just talking about right now could be as simple as electronics don't work when you're, you know, off the ranch. That's happened. That happens all the time to people, happened to my wife, happened to friends of mine after I came back. You know, it's happened on the ranch, but the true hitchhiker effect is really, you know, that phenomena follows you wherever you go in different ways, different kinds of phenomena, right? So for some people, it may be negatives, may be positive. (00:21:35)

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we used to call that attachment in the traditional sort of paranormal world. It was just an attachment, which is a very real thing. Something attaches to you. Now, if you think about it from a potentially scientific point of view, you know, you can look at it maybe as quantum entanglement, right? You're creating this connection with something on that quantum level via, you know, consciousness, subconsciousness, brain chemistry, whatever it is. And, you know, you don't know how to break that connection. (00:22:05)

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, quantum entanglement, which is, I believe a lot of what's going on there is a fascinating thing because of just the connection between two places or, you know, things, electrons, protons, whatever they are, without us being able to see what that connection mechanism is. So if you can't see, certainly sever it, but also it means that there's something that exists outside of our observable universe. But that idea that these things are now connected in some way. (00:22:35)

[SPEAKER_00]: And so if there's something like that taking place on the ranch and it's boom, you get that connection and now it's made in your brain. Then, of course, the distance in space is, you know, not a value in the equation when it comes to that quantum entanglement, right? So to us, we think it's weird that it's happening to me on the ranch, but then, whoa, it's happening to me a hundred thousand miles away or whatever it is. Well, that's only because distance is a construct of our reality, of our observable universe. (00:23:11)

[SPEAKER_00]: But if there's a connection that exists outside of the observable universe, the idea that our distance and our universe would apply to it doesn't necessarily make sense. So yeah, I think once there's those connections made, absolutely. I haven't had anything negative though. (00:23:29)

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's good. You talked about having the peaceful feeling and you also talked about being in the castle and having like the weight of whatever happened there. Did you ever feel other than the peaceful feeling, did you ever feel like anxious or feel like there was something there while you were there? (00:23:52)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So it's funny because I was just talking about this where there'll be times when, you know, for no reason whatsoever, out of nowhere, suddenly everybody's really kind of like angry with each other, you know? You know what I mean? Like everybody's kind of like, just for no reason, like getting on each other's nerves and, you know, it's just really odd. It's just really odd. And you sort of recognize, wait a minute, let's take a step back. (00:24:29)

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're all at each other's throats for no reason right now. Everybody take a breath or take a walk. And I think that absolutely is something that's part of the phenomena of the ranch. You know, the ability for, you know, maybe it's electromagnetic interference, right? Maybe it's frequency. Maybe it's something, you know, that has, you know, something that we can measure, right? I don't know. (00:25:01)

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's something else. Maybe it's intentional. Maybe it's not intentional. I don't know. But yeah, but that's uncomfortable when that happens, when you're just like, wait a minute, why are we all doing this? You know, why is it? And then it's gone. It's just gone the next day. And the guys would tell me like, yeah, sometimes just everybody's like just real aggro one day and, you know, everyone's just in the same mood. But then that's it. (00:25:25)

[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's gone. And like, whoa, that was weird. So that was uncomfortable. There was also times when things happened that were definitely very scary. If you watch season three, you know what happened to Tom Lewis, you know, how he... (00:25:39)

[SPEAKER_01]: I did see that. (00:25:42)

[SPEAKER_00]: How he dropped down and had the heart issues. He had to go to the hospital. Yeah. And his heart was put into arrhythmia because the doctor said something electrical, right? Put his heart out of rhythm. And that's scary, right? Because, you know, you get excited about what you're doing from an experimental and investigation science and phenomenological point of view. And it's easy to sometimes forget the actual dangers. And so, you know, being all like, this is amazing. (00:26:21)

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, this is crazy stuff. And then someone, you know, has something like that. It makes you, you know, it's sort of points, you know, put your ears back up and like put you on alert and where you remember, like, you know, those of us that signed up to be there and understand. OK, but let's make sure we're not, you know, putting others who didn't. And of course, Tom, you know, he knew the risks and whatnot, but still doesn't make us, especially me, feel badly as a producer, you know, that's engaging in people being active in the investigation and doing what they're doing. (00:26:57)

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that you're always responsible for everyone on set, everyone on location, even though it's someone else's property and you're there documenting it. You know, you're not it's not your property. It's not our property. It's not even our investigation. We're documenting what's going on. But you still have a responsibility to everybody just as a producer, as an executive producer, regardless of because if they're involved in your filming, if I put a microphone on you and I'm pointing a camera at you, then I'm responsible for you in some way. So that's that's definitely the kind of stuff is scary. (00:27:33)

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've had people that when they get there, they're suddenly getting really, really bad headaches. You know, what happened to Thomas Winterton with his head, you know, and he would start to get bad feelings. It'd be like, get off the property. Just go, you know, just go. Just don't don't worry about us. And he's like, I got to get out of here. I'm like, go, you know, because you don't want you don't want to, again, to have people, you know, hurt in any way. (00:27:58)

[SPEAKER_00]: So those things, those times are scary. Now, from a sort of phenomenal point of view, there are some times where, you know, it's late at night, you're kind of far from base camp, and the command center, and there's some noises, there's some lights, there's some sounds. Yeah, it's a little bit scary, only from the, I hope it's not an animal. For me, anyway, because I enjoy those other experiences. And that's what I'm there for. (00:28:28)

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not scared of encounters or experiences from the, you know, the strangeness. A little more fearful of the animals that might be roaming around there. (00:28:40)

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right. And have you ever talked to anyone, you know, like Eric, about why he thinks or what kind of a consensus of why this place in particular has all these things happening? I mean, is there something geological? Or could there, you know, I mean, it's all just theory at this point. But I guess I would like to ask you what your thoughts are. (00:29:09)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, there have they, they have guys have put theories out, you know, and I think the first season, you know, Travis talked about how the whole basin looked like an impact site. And sort of what that could mean to to some of the phenomena. I mean, there are things that, you know, that I think are possible, but the beauty of that show and the investigation is that there's not like, they're very light on speculation as scientists, it's don't speculate, you know, experiment, measure, repeat. So, you know, I don't think you're going to get from them something that they can't back up with science. (00:29:57)

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, that's, that's good. That's what's good about this about the show. And what Brandon has set up there, because, you know, really, the experiences are amazing. And I love experiences, but without data, true science, a real understanding of it all, you know, won't come about. So now from my perspective, as having having been interested in it a long time, and then being out there for four months is that I think that, like a lot of places, a lot of other places in the world, there are these intersection points, if you want, if you would call them that, that maybe it's part of the multiple interacting world theory, right? (00:30:43)

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's a dimensions thing. But I just think that there are places, for whatever reason, where there are temporary windows or doorways that are open or are opened into different spaces, places or time. So I think a lot of what we see at the ranch with the phenomenon is more of an interdimensional sort of phenomenon. And, and I look at that from the, the, you know, the all the way from the exotic aliens, or whatever, interdimensional beings, down to the scientifically mundane, which is just the physics of, of parallel worlds and multiverse and multiple dimensions, something on top of something, but because of the way in which the dimension in which we perceive the world or exist, we don't see that. (00:31:36)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yet a more advanced civilization may know how to sort of travel interdimensionally between those spaces. The the anomaly above the triangle is something that is really perplexing, because, you know, I've seen with my own eyes, you know, aside from the data and the experiments, things that don't make sense with this anomaly, you know, lasers stopping, or splitting or even bending. Helicopter, you know, is up above it. This is season three, where, you know, they're from, you could see in the footage, they're looking down, they're right over the triangle. (00:32:18)

[SPEAKER_00]: When we look at the helicopter, it's nowhere near the triangle. And that would be because it's some kind of lensing distortion, which is really a, you know, but there's nothing, there's no physical object there. So it has to be, you know, a time space anomaly, something is actually bending the light, like a glass of water, a ball, you know, a mirror would do something like that. So that is, that is something that can be understood with science at some point, which may open the door to understanding more about what everything else is that we see in the world that's part of the high stream, just UAPs, UFOs, beings, entities, you know, whatnot, like if we can, if they if there's a door or a window that we can open from our side, then that sort of changes the game for for what we can understand. (00:33:11)

[SPEAKER_00]: I also think that it's going to require a lot more time and a lot more generations of kids being interested in that sort of science to till we get to those sort of breakthrough points. Generally speaking, I don't can't speak for what the military has or government. Yeah. (00:33:29)

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's you know, there's there is speculation that I you know, I've heard people speculate that when they see these craft that those craft are interdimensional traveling, you know, craft. But you know, that's just one of the theories. There's a lot of really interesting theories. Now I see, did you just mute your own mic? You probably did. Yeah. Hang on a second. It's I don't understand. Go ahead. (00:33:58)

[SPEAKER_01]: Try it again. Here we go with the are you I think you're ranched. So take your. Yeah, it's not working. So take your settings down at the bottom settings down at the bottom of the screen and bring it up and click on audio and do a drop down to you get to your mic. That's weird that it yeah, there it is. Okay, it's all set now. (00:34:23)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just I think the wire is a little loose. And if I nudge it with my hand for the mic, it temporarily disconnects it. And then StreamYard mutes it. Yeah, so I get it. Yeah. So the interdimensional beings thing, I really were interdimensional travels, I really gravitate more towards because I've always had this hard, you know, it's always been difficult for me to accept that there is this linear travel that takes place for for beings from other planets or places, I felt like it seemed like an over, you know, an oversimplification of something that's truly incredibly complicated. (00:35:07)

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, and I felt like it was our, our limited intelligence explaining something that is so far advanced, that most likely whatever the explanation is, is something that we won't comprehend. And so whenever I say that often, we Yeah, you know, right. So whenever we can, whenever we think it's a simple answer, for something that's way, you know, way more advanced, there's no way that's the answer. We just can't, we don't have a comprehension of the answer. (00:35:45)

[SPEAKER_00]: So I always thought that that doesn't make sense that I think that it's more of a, of an ability to open, like I said, these doorways or these windows, whether they're wormholes, portals, you know, intersecting worlds, I don't know. But there are, there are some interesting things. If you look at abduction scenarios, alien abduction scenarios, specifically, you look at missing time. And, you know, people have this bright flash of light sometimes, or they see something in the sky. And then next thing you know, they lost 45 minutes and like what happened, I don't know what happened, I lost it, what something must have happened to me during that time. (00:36:23)

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you look at like wormholes, for instance, you're talking about, you know, essentially something equivalent to like a black hole in a way that you're going to have an event horizon, where time will move differently, the closer you are to that event horizon, and it will move differently for a distance outside of that. And so for people with missing time, and if these, if UFOs or UFPs are using a sort of portal wormhole interdimensional sort of travel, that requires that tear in this time space, it's going to create, you know, essentially a wake in which there's going to be a time dilation effect, the closer you are to it. (00:37:08)

[SPEAKER_00]: And so maybe people are sometimes just caught in that wake as a, you know, a craft or whatever is entering or exiting its own version of what we think of as a wormhole or a portal. And so if you're close enough to it, you didn't lose 45 minutes, it just didn't exist for you because time moved differently in that space you're in for that particular moment. So yeah, so that that also makes me like I look at like all the coral, you know, circumstantial, but all the sort of ways that I can correlate different information from not just the stories, but the data, the science. (00:37:46)

[SPEAKER_00]: So what have I've seen over 20 years plus of doing this professionally, I try to put these things together and see could there be a relationship, maybe not causality, but could there be a relationship between why people have missing time and the way in which UAP travel? You know, we know that it's a fact, DIA documented, you know, out there for the public domain report, you know, the acute and subacute effects on biological tissue from interactions with anomalous technology. So UAPs, you know, the more people that have a lot of close, close proximity to UAPs suffer some very similar to others, detrimental neurological and physical effects. (00:38:36)

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is documented in the, you know, they say this is a real thing. So we know the body and the environment is affected by close proximity to these, you know, UAP. Until we know what exactly is going on there, I think everything's on the table for what could be happening that would be causing those effects. And I think that, you know, look, maybe one of the reasons why they're evasive is because they're harmful, you know, and they're, I mean, you know, Travis Wallen now, I mean, he now believes that, you know, fire in the sky, you know, he now believes that he was taken up aboard the ship so they could heal him from the inadvertent exposure to their, you know, rate from rate, because we see radiation, we see high electromagnetic field, we see, you know, a lot of things that cause very detrimental physical effects to people that get in close proximity with these. (00:39:39)

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it could be as simple as they are dangerous and they are trying not to be harmful. Maybe they're, you know, one of the things I think goes on with the ranch, specifically when it comes to spherical UAPs, which are all over the world, and going back to missile silos, foo fighters, they seem to pop up whenever there's something that could be sort of investigated. And we see it at the ranch a lot. (00:40:04)

[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we can trigger phenomenon, right? We shoot a rocket at the triangle, a UFO, UAP appears. We drill into the Mesa, all hell breaks loose, a UAP appears. You know, as if to say, what's going on here? Is this something harmful? And I think that, you know, there's a possibility that these maybe are something left over, maybe an ancient mining operation, like our satellites are communicating with oil rigs and relaying the information to a home base. If there's a problem with the rig, maybe they're there to look at changes to the planet from normal cataclysmic events to man-made for some reporting purpose. (00:40:41)

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. But, you know, when you see these things sort of pop up and look around, and almost as if they are looking to see what's going on, like we triggered them, then it lends me to believe, because of that, they are something that has an intentional purpose. And the purpose is, for some other reason, to see if something is a problem. Problem to who or what, I can't say to us, them, but that seems pretty consistent through a lot of the experiences and reports over the years. So if that's the purpose, and not to harm us, but exposure to them will harm us, then they're going to keep their distance. (00:41:32)

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I also think that it's very possible, we fire a rocket up into the triangle, and then we see a UAP, it's possible that in some other space, place, or time, somebody's observing that anomaly from a different perspective, and they see a fireball go up, which is our rocket. So they send their drone out to get a closer look at it, and we see what their drone is, our UAP. So it could just be a space that's interacting with other space or time at the same time. (00:42:04)

[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're seeing a lot of other people or beings or whatever also interacting with that same space. I think that's a possibility. (00:42:16)

[SPEAKER_01]: If in that particular case, would you think that, say, if we note the planet, it would somehow affect their dimension? I mean, that's, it's kind of hard to wrap your mind around. (00:42:30)

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't even know how to answer that. Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's what I mean. Like, if there's an answer that is something that I can actually understand, that's probably not the answer. Right? So I'm curious, if somebody was to do that, would they stop it? Is there a... are they a method of protecting, you know, life on this planet, for some reason, or just protecting the planet itself? Maybe they don't care about us, but their job is just the planet. (00:43:03)

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's, maybe it's reporting things, you know, I don't know. It'd be interesting to see, you know, if, if, you know, nasty aliens invaded Earth, would they pop up and protect us? And then go back to hiding in the Mesa or wherever they were? I don't know. It's interesting. It's really interesting. I don't, I think that there's a lot involved in that 1.65 gigahertz signal, or some similar frequency signal, because that's documented in the UAP reports. That's been going back to the 70s. It happened similar stuff was in Hezbollah with the Hezbollah light. (00:43:37)

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's some frequency signal value that as it's, as it's researched more and more, can be used for sort of a deeper communication and contact. Right now, you know, we've, we used that signal, that sound from that signal on Skidmark Ranch, broadcasted it from an FM radio station. And the next day, got footage from, from somebody in our hotel from that showed six, eight, you know, red UFO type objects appearing over their neighborhood within hours of our broadcast. So, you know, there seems to be a very, a very significant relationship to that, that signal, these phenomena. (00:44:16)

[SPEAKER_00]: Are there other signals? Are there other ways, you know, I mean, thing is, we know there's a information being broadcast on that frequency, but without the right type of receiver, don't know what the information is, right? So we can get a sound of the modulation of it. But what's the actual information? How do you convert it to data that we can understand, right? Is it, is it, if it was music, we'd be able to turn the dial and we'd hear music, you know, if it was, you know, something else that we've got a device that knows what to do with it, maybe, but we don't, because we don't know what it is. And if you don't even know, you don't even know what the tools are to use, how could you, you know, fix the barn or the shed? (00:45:00)

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can't, if you don't even know what tools you would use to fix it. So it's the same kind of thing. If I'm trying to measure something, and it requires a ruler, and I take a hammer out there, I mean, you know, so that's, that's how limited I think our understanding is of these things to, to we don't even know, which, which, which is why whatever one's doing with the, you know, with the continual sort of interest and looking for their own evidence and experiences is valuable, because it's most likely, you know, I think a lot of information and advancement is going to come by accident. (00:45:36)

[SPEAKER_01]: I've said a number of times on the show, probably people sick of hearing me say this, but a lot of times I think that the government, our US government probably knows a lot more, but not at all or not, or maybe not even exactly what it is. And perhaps that's one of the reasons why it keeps, you know, getting put on the back burner. Like when we were closed all the way back then. (00:46:05)

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there's no way they don't, they, they absolutely know more than we do. That's the job, right? I mean, we cannot have a government that doesn't know more about things going on in our, in our space than we do, right? They have to. I imagine a lot of it's theoretical, even if they're, even if you go as far as to say, they've got it down craft to the reverse engineering or whatnot, doesn't mean they fully understand the science still, you know? It doesn't mean they understand the why and the where it came from, you know? (00:46:38)

[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I think that probably the limits of what, you know, anybody in, in, in a better position to know, have information knows, the limits probably stop at the, you know, what is this thing? And, and don't go into the, you know, why is it here? And where did it come from? And how did it come from there? I think that how it traveled here from wherever is probably the next big question. And that is where the, the, the physics, you know, the future understanding of physics, of, of quantum physics, of entanglement of, you know, multiverse of dimensions, what, what, what it really, really understanding what multiple dimensions actually is and means. (00:47:25)

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you see it in movies and TV now, everything's the multiverse, right? It's multiverse, quantum realm, different dimensions, you know, geared toward a geared towards children of an age where they're starting to form not only their opinion of the world, but what their place might be within it. So this is how you inspire children to go into certain fields that we know in 50 or 100 years, you know, we're going to have to make sure that, you know, that we've got good minds looking at and thinking in ways that we can't perceive right now. Otherwise, you know, either no advancement will be made, or it'll be made by, you know, potentially an enemy or somebody who's got, you know, bad intentions. (00:48:11)

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can get into the, to all that, it's a whole other story. But I think that if you want to ensure that we're going to understand something that's so far advanced our own understanding, then you start with kids now. And you, you create, you know, or not that you create, but you help, help along anything that is going to increase their interest in going into fields that will be beneficial to us as, you know, a country and humans in the future, you look at space race, and what that did to inspire a generation of engineers, you know, kids love, they got so excited by the rockets going to go up in space and rockets to the moon that they, they went into into, you know, propulsion engineering, I mean, they went into fields that allowed a lot of incredible advancements to happen. (00:49:02)

[SPEAKER_00]: And then who knows what we don't even know. (00:49:04)

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right. And one of the things about how you mentioned the possibility of the crash craft that comes up quite a bit, and whether they're being reverse engineered or not. And if it comes to the point where these things are found out that they are, let's just say interdimensional. I mean, I can't even understand if something that's interdimensional can stay in another dimension permanently, or bounces back or, you know, I mean, you would think that I wouldn't be able to interact with our dimension. (00:49:35)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, how would it even be able to interact with our dimension? I guess if you think about it from the way of fish in a pond, right, they do not know that there is a world that exists above the water. Right, not that they have that sort of consciousness. But let's say, let's use an example. They cannot exist in our world, because of the need for the water to live. They cannot exist out of their own world, a little bit different, right? (00:50:07)

[SPEAKER_00]: But yet, we with the right technology, can spend a lot of time in their world. We've got scuba, right? We've got snorkels, we've got, you know, holding our breath for a little bit, but just we've got submarines. We have technology that allows us to, you know, physically interact with their world, even though they cannot interact with ours. And that's just because we developed technologies to do it. You know, a fishing rod, a fishing line is a technology to interact with a world that cannot interact with us. (00:50:46)

[SPEAKER_00]: That's if you really think about that, that's pretty fascinating. And it also is kind of scary, because then you maybe start to feel bad about imposing yourself on something else's world that it doesn't have any understanding of. And, you know, and if you look at even from an intelligence perspective, those fish have no possible means of understanding what we understand, or our world, it's not, they do not have the capability. Well, dolphins pretty close. (00:51:16)

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so like, look, you look at dolphins and whales as well, and we don't, we don't really understand what they understand. Octopus, you know, we don't, we don't, yeah, very, I mean, like the things that octopus will do, you know, it's like they'll plan and then they'll execute on a plan inside our world and our environment. And they can live in both, you know, they can, they can, not for a long period of time, but they can, they can interact with our world. Even though their world is, you know, much more in that space. (00:51:50)

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's somehow, you know, some sort of example, like, you know, something that can, it lives in its own dimension, but it can, it can come through, it knows how to come through and interact with ours limitedly. But they just try to, just trying to imagine what that means from an actual, real scientific perspective. I think, you know, if, if we're the fish, we don't even have the chemistry to see what that looks like, you know, so it's going to take, it's going to take time. I think for someone to really find a way to, to demonstrate or explain it in a way that doesn't, you know, that makes it accessible, right. (00:52:33)

[SPEAKER_00]: Because any demonstrations now that are in layman's terms, highlight the inaccessibility of us understanding those dimensions. So if somebody can, you know, explain it in a way that makes it accessible to understand, can't wait. (00:52:49)

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Getting back to Skinwalker Ranch, had you yourself had any experience, like, you're saying there's cameras everywhere, so, and they're going all the time, but have you yourself experienced, you know, something unusual there that was not... (00:53:12)

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything that you saw, every single thing you saw in season three and things that weren't in that, in the, in the episodes, I was, I was right there front and center first. In fact, I think I might've been the first one to see the first UAP that we got that season. We have the UAPX guys out there, but it's, it's the combination of things that takes place before and after the big phenomenon thing that is most, you know, most incredible. So, you know, like the night that we had the astronomers out, you know, trying to fire the rocket, you know, trying to get them to point their telescopes through the anomaly so we can fire a rocket and see if it did anything to that anomaly, as well as looking to see if there was a distortion of the stars. (00:53:53)

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the laser splitting, the telescopes not working. If they, if they tried to point towards the anomaly, they would turn, point away and then delete that constellation from their database. And, and then we did get a rocket fired off and then, you know, you know, it wasn't long after that suddenly in the Southern sky, boom, there's a UAP with a black hole center moving across. And, you know, you always want to think, okay, well, plane, satellite, drone, whatever. (00:54:20)

[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, Eric's got the ADS-B set up. He could say there's no planes, you know, and then all the other trackers. And I've used these as well, like satellite, ISS, rocket launch, you know, bright stars where you can look and say, is it any of those things when you know it's not? And then you've got Travis there who's literally put satellites into space. He's got them in space. (00:54:40)

[SPEAKER_00]: So he can tell us where it is that it is moving too slow at that low of an altitude, not to be into, you know, dangerous degradation and burn up in the, in the atmosphere. You know, the, the lower, the closer you are to earth, the faster you have to move to not decay. And so, you know, it was so low. He's like, no way that cannot be a, a satellite. And then when he, when he used the, the, the camera to look at it, it had a black hole center. (00:55:11)

[SPEAKER_00]: And then that further looking at it made it more, even, you know, more look like that sort of double, it's like a sphere that's almost kind of cut in half a little bit of a separation as well. Kind of, you know, it kind of looked like, so yeah, I saw that, you know, I saw the UAP, XUAP. I felt the Mesa shake when we were, when we were up there looking for, you know, the holes with the smoke bombs and stuff like that. You know, like, like an earthquake, you know, and then Travis saw that UAP that we found on camera. (00:55:42)

[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen orbs on cameras move. Um, I've seen animals do incredibly strange things. I saw light in the woods. We all saw one night during an experiment that was not a light that made any sense, right? It was a, you know, it was as if somebody had the brightest yellow flashlight you ever saw, but the entire, the entirety of its, of its brightness and beam stayed within an inch away from the light, you know, or from the, from the flashlight, didn't spread. Um, and then moved up and then down and then disappeared. (00:56:21)

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, that, that's, I've seen that with my own eyes. (00:56:25)

[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard similar stories to that, like a light that doesn't make any sense. That's, you hear that a lot, like a, either, either, either a light beam or, you know, and that was, and what about the animals? What's yeah. (00:56:37)

[SPEAKER_00]: What are the animals? Well, there was the one of the cows that went down, um, you know, just no, no reason. And the cow just, you know, just eventually died. I think, I mean, it just, it just was a normal healthy cow with no issues. And, you know, then you do those, they do those different, um, you know, studies and, and you find out that the cow died of something that, you know, would have taken years to happen and you would have noticed it for a long time or their behavior, just their behavior. They all get herded into a corner. (00:57:11)

[SPEAKER_00]: It won't come out of that corner for no reason. Radiation spikes that pop up out of nowhere, GPS showing up inside the Mesa or underground. Like it doesn't, you know, things that just are just wild and weird. Um, you know, I didn't see any creatures personally. I didn't see any aliens or any creatures personally. Um, I didn't, um, I didn't see stuff like, I'd never seen anything move on its own or, you know, you see a lot of sort of after effects of something that could have happened with the exception of then also, but I did see a lot of UAP and I, and we, and I did see the ability to trigger them to show up. Yeah. (00:57:59)

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. So let's talk about what you're, you're casting for, what you're doing. You and Dave Altman, I know he's been in the chat tonight. So what is it you're up to? Yeah. (00:58:12)

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look, I didn't see this. (00:58:13)

[SPEAKER_01]: I would've answered some questions if anybody asked me any questions. Oh yeah. We have, we have one. Let me pull one up. I saw a while back. I always forget. Yeah. So, well, I will say to the last part of the show, if you have a question, instead of me looking for them, if you have a question you want to post that I can ask our great guests tonight, just put it in all caps and I'll make sure that I ask it, but let's talk about the show. Yeah. (00:58:40)

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're doing a series for a major cable network at a really cool location, but the show is really focused on people who have had sightings or encounters who have stories and or evidence to have the opportunity for the top experts in this world, in this field, analyze and review the stories and any evidence they have, do deep research into it to be able to provide them with an answer as to what it was that they experienced. And so we're looking for people with stories, footage, experiences that we could bring value to by giving you as close to a definitive answer as possible as to what your experience or sighting or evidence is. (00:59:34)

[SPEAKER_00]: It could be you've got video of a UFO and you want to know, is that just Starlink or is that something completely unexplainable? And so taking that and not just doing the video analysis, but looking at all the details that surround that sighting to look at other data that you may not have thought of that exists that could help either corroborate the claim or help further prove the unidentified nature of it or offer a reasonable or almost logical, mundane explanation. (01:00:13)

[SPEAKER_00]: Just so there's as close to an answer as possible. So this could be, I was abducted, alien abduction scenario. This is seeing something or had an experience and then I had these marks or this changed my life in a certain way, or I've got this piece of evidence, I've got a photo, my grandfather shared stories, maybe he was an intelligence, we could need to find out. Anything you could think of in that way would be a huge, that would be a huge value to you to get answers on. (01:00:48)

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to hear your story, we're going to get your evidence, we're going to get it analyzed, get it researched. Then we're going to pay you and fly you out and put you up to our awesome, cool place where anybody listening and watching would definitely want to go, where you'll meet with the hosts that will share the results of the entire analysis with you. So it's a really cool opportunity for people to get some answers that they haven't gotten before, because we have the ability to have people go very deep into the research and data and correlations and all that. (01:01:28)

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a six episode series. This is a series. (01:01:33)

Oh, great. (01:01:34)

[SPEAKER_00]: Great. Excellent. As early as May. (01:01:37)

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how about that? So we have links down below that people can actually reach out to you. (01:01:45)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, realufoshow.com is the easiest way to get to it. You could always find me at Strange Story Co. on all social media or strangestory.com. But if you want to go right to the casting sort of submission link, it's realufoshow.com. (01:02:03)

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I had someone I've been talking to, Dave Altman, who's involved in this as well. And I had someone I thought would be great, but I'm just not getting a response from them. Yeah, that happens. And she was on my show. (01:02:14)

[SPEAKER_00]: I see a question in all caps, which is a great question. Have you duplicated any tests conducted by the NIDS team? Let me get that. (01:02:25)

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to your question, Bambi, in just a minute. Okay, here you go. Have you duplicated any tests conducted by the NIDS team? Oh, yeah. (01:02:34)

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Whoever doesn't know, NIDS is National Institute of Discovery Scientists. It was the scientific team that Bigelow put together. John Alexander, all that. To go ahead. Yeah, John Alexander to go ahead and try to conduct some research. When that, you know, when they finished, that's when DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, came in and they established BAS and OSAP to then do that research on the ranch right after NIDS. So we specifically, in season three, wanted to try to stimulate phenomena using a Bigelow experiment that Bigelow did, where he dug trenches. (01:03:14)

[SPEAKER_00]: And John Colonel Alexander came out and he gave us some great information and intel. And we brought a giant bulldozer out and went to where those trenches were dug. And this brand new, newly serviced, brand new, brand new battery, all electronics, giant industrial bulldozer took one pass with the blade and then died. It wouldn't start and nobody could figure out why. And then when Eric went back to the command center to get some testing tools, he saw on the monitor, a massive radiation spike where we were. So we all had to evacuate. (01:03:49)

[SPEAKER_00]: So we went back that night and decided to observe from a distance, right? We observed from a distance. That's when, when we got there is when I saw that yellow light, I think Thomas and Caleb saw it and went running after it as well. But when we got there, you know, we, we set up and to observe the bulldozer area. And we fired a rocket as we do, because firing a rocket seems to trigger things. And from exactly where the rocket was like, went up, pointed our, you know, the Yagi antenna and got that 1.65 gigahertz signal. (01:04:23)

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when Travis flipped on the sound and we heard that, what he called a communication sound. And that signal went on for like an hour. And, you know, as he explains, you know, it can't be a star because we would have rotated away from it by now. It can't be a satellite because satellites are moving unless it's something that is in geosynchronous orbit directly with the ranch, because you move the antenna just a tiny little bit and the signal was gone. And it was coming from directly where we shot the rocket. (01:04:53)

[SPEAKER_00]: Then we took that, that sound from that signal to an FM radio station that was having some interference difficulties and said, is this the same sounds that you heard? And it was a couple of sounds of this. She said, yes. And then she broadcast the sound over her airwaves. And then the next morning at the hotel, I was stopped by one of the kids that worked there. And he said to me, Hey, I got to show you something. Of course, I'm like, I'm late. (01:05:16)

[SPEAKER_00]: I got to get to set, you know, check this out. He shows me on his phone, him and his neighbors out in their front yard, looking up at the sky with all these red dots appearing and disappearing. And that was within hours of the broadcast of the signal. So that all came from that recreation of the Bigelow experiment. But as Colonel Alexander said, they just didn't have the type of equipment we had, you know? So, so he didn't really think that it would be, you know, that it was strange that they didn't catch evidence like we catch. (01:05:50)

[SPEAKER_00]: They had experiences here and saw things, but they couldn't capture evidence necessarily like we were able to, because they just didn't have the technology at the time. (01:05:59)

[SPEAKER_01]: And with the growth of AI, who knows what type of technology we'll have upcoming? That's right. That's true. (01:06:06)

Yeah. (01:06:06)

[SPEAKER_01]: Bambi Dudley, she's helped me get guests on the show many times. Hi, Bambi. Have you ever discovered anything buried underground? Yeah. (01:06:15)

[SPEAKER_00]: The episode with Tom Lewis got rushed to the hospital was, we identified a spot looking for the Bigelow caves. And then from Chris Bartel, who used to be a military guard there during the OSAP days, you know, he remembers where there were caves. And then we had the GPS anomaly when it was flying up around through the Anomaly Valley triangle, the GPS showed it was inside the Mesa at the same spot that Chris Bartel said it was in. We went out there, looked at the location, brought a blaster, professional blaster out, who said it looked like this was demoed intentionally to cover something up, because there's no other reason to do it. (01:06:57)

[SPEAKER_00]: Dropped smoke bombs down the holes, then smoke was sucked back in. So we brought out a lateral drilling crew that went under the water channel there and went into that spot of the Mesa and wasn't returning spoils, which meant it was hollow. And then it hit a solid hard object. And when it did, we started getting these flakes of metal that we had analyzed, but also at the same time got that high pitched sound that came in at 1.65 gigahertz and broadcast itself over the walkie talkies, which is what Tom Lewis heard, which caused him to drop to his knees and have the heart incident. But then the drill bit, you know, it couldn't go through. (01:07:41)

[SPEAKER_00]: And these are, you know, Utah drillers. They don't have bits that can't go through anything. Right. And so instead it went down and around and it created a graph of a like 400 foot wide dome shaped object under the under the Mesa. Well, yeah, there's something there. (01:08:00)

[SPEAKER_01]: That's bizarre. So it was it was so hard that they couldn't drill through it, basically. (01:08:06)

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is this is like that's the funny thing about the ranch. Everyone comes on and says, oh, I got I got the you can't even get my equipment. It's so good. It's not it's not going to fail. And then it fails. They're like, I don't know what happened. And the drillers again, I mean, this is Utah. This is what these guys do for a living. They've got contracts with giant corporations, you know, trillion dollar organizations. (01:08:27)

[SPEAKER_00]: They know how to drill. They know what they know what to bring. They know what to know. There's no reason why the bit there's nothing that we know of in this area that can stop our drill bit. Doesn't make sense. A big, huge diamond. (01:08:40)

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Let's see. This is a question. It's not Skinwalker Ranch, but it's a question people ask often. And that is another thing that doesn't make logical sense to me is why UFOs do not have would have lights at all. I've heard maybe they don't. (01:09:00)

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we just perceive it as light. You know, maybe it's just maybe it's just a an artifact of the propulsion system. And we you know, we understand it as is lights on an airplane. So we are calling it lights like it's lights on an airplane. But it may not be. It may just be that they are you know, they are reflecting light, they're refracting light, they're generating heat energy that's that we are seeing in the form of light, it could be an electrical charge that you know, would have that would emit, you know, light. (01:09:30)

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one of the one of the the best time to see UFOs is as the sun setting, you know, and there's some different theories, but you know, I am you could see this, I'm out in Joshua Tree, I'm looking for the sky all day long, and I don't see a single satellite or plane the second the sun goes behind the horizon, and it but it's still bright out, I see all the satellites in the planes, it has something to do with the way that the that they, you know, reflect the light off of the sun. So who knows where these things are actually in space that maybe there, maybe it's got something to do with that. (01:10:03)

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, light came in coming through the window coming to the car, again, it could just be that it is, you know, the light it's giving off. Or it could be, you know, look, if they have a technology that enables them to interact with the space at a distance from themselves, through something that, you know, produces light on its way to you, you know, then maybe that's what the light is. Maybe it's maybe not, you know, just because we see light from UFOs doesn't mean the intention is that they're needing to use light to do what they're doing. (01:10:42)

[SPEAKER_00]: It could be literally a side effect of what they're doing. Not an intention. (01:10:47)

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes sense. (01:10:49)

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I've got one more and then I got to go if you want to see if there's one. (01:10:52)

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's it. You know, yeah, I think that's, I think that's good. Okay, so I put in the chat, I'm going to put it one more time. For the people who are live right now in the chat and YouTube, that is, that's a casting link. And if you forget that, or if you're listening to this in the audio podcast, just go to our show notes. It'll be right there. (01:11:14)

[SPEAKER_01]: It's realufoshow.com. But thank you, Mark. It's been exceptional. I really, really appreciate the conversation. It's been real good. (01:11:23)

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for for having me on, Martin. It was really a pleasure to talk to you. Anytime. I'm happy to come back and talk more. But I thank you for your time. (01:11:34)

[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you for everyone who tuned in. It would be fun. All right, everyone. So we'll see you. We have a show coming up on Tuesday with Garrett Graff. And we'll see you next time. Keep your eyes to the sky. (01:11:45)

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