Mario Woods 遠隔インタビュー: 全発言＋和訳（途中1）

October 30, 2024 · 163 min read

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Mario Woods の証言については過去記事(*1)で何度か取り上げたが、彼の最も詳しい証言動画を見かけたので記録しておく。

とりあえず、今は文字起こしを付けるだけだが、後日、

和訳
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を追加したいところ。

長大だが、史料的価値を含むゆえ全文＋和訳を記録しておく。長大ゆえ、実質的に誰も読めないだろうが、数年後には AI にまとめて放り込んで様々な分析に使える筈。

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Mario Woods（ICBM 基地警備兵）の UFO/ET 体験：インタビュー全発言：文字起こし＋和訳 (2024-08-03)

❏ Mario Woods（元警備兵）: ICBM 基地に UFO が出現、警備に出向いた → ET に間近で遭遇 ⇒ この謎を推測する（途中 3） (2023-11-01)

1977-11, : ICBM 基地に出現した巨大 UFO をふたりの基地警備兵が目撃、time-loss、奇妙な夢、OBE、核爆発のキノコ雲のイメージが脳裏に (2021-10-07)

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UFOs Exposed: Mario Woods' Pentagon Whistleblower Testimony

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ペンタゴンの内部告発者マリオ・ウッズ、ミサイル・サイトでのUFO体験を語る

説明：ペンタゴンの内部告発者である元アメリカ空軍二等軍曹マリオ・ウッズと、司会者クリス・レフトが深い対話を繰り広げるスリリングなエピソードにご期待ください。1977年、第44ミサイル警備隊に配属されていた時のUFO体験について宣誓証言したマリオが、その体験談を語る。

核ミサイルのサイロで警報が鳴ったので調査したところ、ミサイル発射場の上空にUFOが浮かんでいたという。この綿密なインタビューは、マリオの話を解き明かすだけでなく、視聴者からの多くの質問にも答えている。

マリオが独占画像を公開し、彼の発言に信憑性を持たせるための公式文書について語る興味深い内容にご期待ください。また、マリオを国防総省のUAP UFOプログラムの全領域異常解決局（AARO）のインタビューに招待する手紙もこっそりご覧ください。

UFO遭遇の謎に包まれた世界に、信頼できる情報源から直接飛び込むこのエキサイティングな機会をお見逃しなく。レトファイルを購読して、より多くの洞察に満ちたコンテンツをお楽しみください！

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Title: Lehto Files: Pentagon Whistleblower Mario Woods Speaks on UFO Experience at Missile Site

Description: Join us on this thrilling episode of Lehto Files as our host, Chris Lehto engages in a deep conversation with Pentagon Whistleblower, Retired USAF Staff Sergeant Mario Woods. Having recently testified under oath about his UFO experience while deployed at the 44th Missile Security Squadron in 1977, Mario shares a compelling account of his encounter.

Mario recounts the chilling event of investigating an alarm at a nuclear missile silo in this three-hour discussion, only to find a UFO hovering above the missile site. This in-depth interview not only unravels Mario's story but it also addresses a multitude of viewer questions.

Stay tuned for interesting reveals as Mario shares exclusive images and discusses his official documentation to lend credibility to his statements. Also, get a sneak peek at the letter inviting Mario for an interview with the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) under the Pentagon's UAP UFO program.

Don't miss this exciting opportunity to dive into the enigmatic world of UFO encounters straight from a credible source. Subscribe to Lehto Files for more insightful content!

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I don't know if I was fully clothed and then I was in, I mean, these things are just coming at you. Then I was in something like a gel or some type of a solution and it was completely dark and I was up to like this in this solution, whatever it was. I said, I don't know if I was clothed or not. (0:00:27)

And that was probably one of the most frightening things of my, in my life. Welcome to LATO Files, everyone. I am Chris Lato. I have a very exciting show tonight with Mario Woods, Pentagon whistleblower, retired USAF Staff Sergeant Mario Woods, who recently testified under oath to the Pentagon's UAP UFO program, Aero, of his UFO experience while he was deployed at the 44th Missile Security Squadron in 1977. Mario and his partner were sent to investigate an alarm at a nuclear missile silo to find a UFO hovering above the missile site. And the story he told to the Pentagon's investigators is compelling. (0:01:07)

Chris Lato, welcome to LATO Files. Mario, thank you so much for being here. Thank you, Chris. Appreciate you having me. Yeah, welcome to the show. I saw your, I saw your previous interview or recent interview with Matthew Ford on The Good Trouble Show. And it was just mind blowing. I mean, I think so many people I know watched it. (0:01:41)

I watched the whole thing. You know, the whole almost four hour plus long video. And I thought it was amazing. And we got so many questions about it. And I was very happy to have you on the show. So thanks for being here to go through that. So like you said, you've gotten many questions since that interview. (0:02:03)

And so it's interesting to hear your story again, considering all those questions. You know, now instead of answering the same question over and over again on email, hopefully you can answer that question here. And so people can just watch this interview, because it's going to be so good, hopefully. Well, thank you. I hope so, too. Okay. All right. (0:02:28)

So we have a slideshow prepared. So you've sent slides. So we'll go right through them, covers your background and the event. So here we go. Who is this? That's Daisy May. We adopted her about a year and a half ago now. She's four years old, and her birthday is the day before mine, September 28th. So that's pretty cool. (0:02:46)

And so I have a nice little birthday party with her. And this will be the second one that's upcoming this year. Great. And what is that a certain shirt you're wearing? Is that a logo that you know? Oh, it might be. Yeah, I wear some Zero Fox. That's Savage Tactician, I think. (0:03:06)

Okay. I just do. It's just me. Is that at your home? No, that's the day that I adopted her, as a matter of fact, at the center up here, Humane Society. Okay, excellent. Really, really good dog. Really great people, too. (0:03:17)

Okay. So, and you sent... you have a lot of documentation, basically very extremely credible, you know, witness. So here we have here on the left, sorry if it's a little small for you, is your certificate of appointment. Yeah, Sergeant Mario Woods, non-commissioned officer, United States Air Force, first day of April 1978. Excellent. And then for outstanding performance award? Yeah, that was a standboard evaluation. (0:03:51)

And if you scored extremely high, you know, when you're... well, you know about oral, written, and practical exercises, that's yearly standboard. That's a test of your job knowledge. So, what did they test you at? Oh, at all levels, you know, in response to a missile site and security police knowledge, that type of stuff. (0:04:12)

It's an oral, written, and practical exercise. So then they formulate a an actual exercise that people carry out that, you know, your supervisors or training personnel carry out. And you have to solve or, you know, take care of the problem that's causing the alarm or whatever laws being literally broken. Yeah, those are stressful. (0:04:32)

As a pilot, I know we have to do a standoff valve test, you know, with a... Yeah, same thing. Yeah. Every 18 months, we have to do it in order to... Okay. So, it's the same. So, it's basically a checkride. Excuse me? It's a checkride, essentially, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's just... and that got me three days off, as a matter of fact. So, that was really cool. Working in missiles, that meant two weeks off, really, for three days. (0:04:54)

Because you work three on, three off, that kind of thing. Really, you came in the day of the fourth day, and you went out on the beginning of the third day. It seemed like it's confusing, but that was the schedule. And every third rotation, you'd get like five days off. It wasn't too bad. I think they call that a southern swing shift, I think. I never knew it. Just had to work it. (0:05:15)

And I see here, it says 44th Missile Security Squadron. Ellsworth Air Force Base, right? Yeah. That's the main support base. It supported 150 Minuteman nuclear missiles at the time that it had a strategic air wing and a strategic missile wing. And I was part of the missile wing. It had uploaded aircraft on the main base of Ellsworth. And these launch control facilities where we live were pinpointed in different locations, north, south, east, and west. Now, everything's north of Interstate 90, I believe. (0:05:52)

I think everything's north of that, but it goes well over from the central part of South Dakota all the way over, literally, to the Wyoming state line. Yeah, it's amazing the breadth of our nuclear deterrence. And that tied into four additional bases surrounding it in each state. That would be Effie, Warren, Malmstrom, and Minot in North Dakota. Okay. And we have this other piece of paper here is from OSD Pentagon, OUSD Intel Sec Mailbox, Aero External. Subject, invitation for an interview with Aero. Yeah, that's what they send out. (0:06:38)

I just thought it was neat to throw it in there. If anybody had any questions how the government addresses you to ask you for something, that's the form in which it took. And I never knew that. The Aero team, look at that. So it says, the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security is conducting oral history interviews consistent with congressional direction as an opportunity to incorporate into the official record, discrete knowledge and experiences of those exposed to the U.S. government's previous unidentified anomalous phenomena investigations. Any information provided during the interview will be secured in accordance with the government's strict security and privacy requirements, including consistent with any previous NDAs. This next part says, we value the historical information you may have on persons, activities, and events of U.S. UAP investigations, and we welcome your participation in the interview. (0:07:34)

Okay. So that already happened. I'm guessing you already were interviewed by Aero. Right. Last month. I can't tell you the exact date, but it was last month and it lasted four hours and 19 minutes. Okay. It was really just what we're going to talk about tonight in the same way. And the best timeline that I can generate, and they have all the names of everybody that was there, supervisor, flight chief, assistant flight chief. (0:08:03)

Of course, you know, everybody's looking for Michael Johnson and that's been going on for as long as I know, because about 96 or 97, I was trying to find him and that's when I purchased, you know, my first computer with a gateway system. (0:08:13)

And when email was available on some kind of a search engine, which I don't know that much about today, but it has gotten a lot better. But, and of course, investigators have been looking for him. So I challenged Aero, you know, to locate him. It's saying locate everybody else. Richard Doty, he came forward. (0:08:39)

He was there the day of my debrief. He was one of two OSI officers that were there. He had a commander named Jack Reed or Captain Jack Reed. And he's the one who gave those papers that I signed to my commander, Colonel Spraker. And I signed it right there on his desk. Then I was allowed to leave, but there was a whole lot of stuff prior to that time. (0:08:59)

As I said, you know, you're made to feel, it's not a welcoming occurrence on something like this. You know that as an Air Force pilot, you know, there are things that you can do and things that you can't do. And, you know, it can, it can do a lot for different reasons, but I don't know. It's different for officers than it is enlisted. And that's just always been that way. (0:09:28)

I think it is. It just really seems like you guys have a tough time. I was made to feel as if I had done something wrong, not knowing everything that I'd been through in the last seven hours, you know, the condition mentally or physically that I felt. And then, you know, made to say, you know, okay, you might not have a career here tomorrow. You know, you speak about this to anything or anybody, you know, you're pretty much just over. (0:10:04)

And like I said, you know, from that point on or from that time, then I, you know, I had to just deal with it. And 18 or so days later, Michael Johnson came to my apartment and knocked on the door. I couldn't believe it. So, but we're getting way to the end of something. I don't want to go too far. Is that the only time you've talked to Michael Johnson? (0:10:22)

That's Michael. Yes, Michael Johnson. And it was 18 days ago. That day we drew those pictures. Him sitting, I stayed at the coffee table and he, I put him at the table. I think, I can't remember that, but that's what I believe. And he, we drew the same thing, the same type of vehicle. But I think the real part about that was when he, you know, when he said, do not fear that, you know, I knew then he was paying attention and that he heard what I heard. (0:10:58)

As I said, it's not verbally, it's within you in some way. It's like pulsated through your body. Like there's a feeling to it, you know, not like a chill, but there's a feeling to it. Yeah. We have some questions about that. People are interested also in the telepathic kind of, kind of events. (0:11:16)

Yeah. I don't know what it would be. Is this you back in the day? Yeah. When I left Ellsworth, that was at Osan. I don't have many pictures because unfortunately I went through a divorce when I returned back to the States. And all the pictures that we had together for, you know, for a long, long time, I guess were gone or tossed. (0:11:39)

I don't really know. Okay. And this is, but this is now current? That's a few years ago. I went to see my sister. She lives down north of Tampa, just in Dade City area. And that lower picture on my motorcycle is my granddaughter. And we're having a good ride back from St. Simon's Island here, where I live in the Golden Isles of Georgia. And of course that upper picture of my license tag, of course, what else could it be on that Honda CB1100 of 2017? It has to be that tag. So it was pretty cool. (0:12:12)

Well, it's cool. You've really just, you've leaned into it, you know? I mean, you just go to the end, basically. Yeah. It's been quite a journey. I got to tell you that. It's really bad. Yeah. These are the pot marks that I can't explain. Don't know where they came from. I never remembered any type of procedure that was done on me where those would not be noticed. (0:12:43)

You know, whether I was one, two, three, I don't have a clue, but... And so this is your, this is in your left arm, looks like? Under my left arm, correct. Right. And this is your inside of your left ankle. That's correct. And they've been looked at, you know, with a magnifying glass several times. And they look exactly the same. (0:13:04)

That's the weird part about it. There's an oblongation there and there's a middle dimple. I mean, that sounds so crazy to a middle dimple, but it is, it's like a drip of water and it comes back up like that, I guess. But a few of my doctors that I've gone to in the past, I asked one of them, he passed away from COVID, unfortunately. (0:13:25)

And he said he just didn't have any idea what kind of life-saving avenues would be taken on an individual to save their life with two punctures in these areas. He just didn't understand that. He said, I can't think of a car accident or this or that or that or anything at all. Why someone would either put something in or take something out of these two locations, but yet whatever they used was the same thing. So anyway, that drew some curiosity for me, because I really did not answer that. (0:13:58)

And when did you notice him, I guess? I was probably, I guess about four years after, I guess about 1981 or so, something like that. Okay, so you didn't notice, you noticed him after the event, but not before? Correct. Yeah, but I didn't notice until four or five years later, and it was by accident. I was putting on some underarm deodorant one day, and I just lifted my arm. I said, what is that? (0:14:27)

I thought, well, that's weird. I've seen this somewhere else. (0:14:31)

And then I just, because I'd seen my ankle before, and I didn't know what that was. I thought maybe a past scrape or something. And then I went and sat down real quick, and I lifted up and I said, damn, it's the same, it's the same. So curiosity came out to those two locations, and I just began to wonder about them. (0:14:53)

And then when they were looked at under a magnifying glass, you know, and said, well, these things are alike, you know, he said, you know, this is really strange. So where would you, where would you get something like that? To the best of my knowledge, I haven't been x-rayed in these areas. Don't know if there's anything there. I don't feel as if there is. I just have two marks there for some reason. (0:15:09)

Okay. All right. So let's get to the event then. I think this is the squadron you were in, 44th? Yeah, that was 44th Missile Security Squadron, and that's a newly updated Defenders of the Force patch somebody came out with, I guess a few years ago. And below that you see Mount Rushmore. Anytime you go to Rapid City, you need to go to Mount Rushmore and see Crazy Horse also. (0:15:42)

I don't know when they say Crazy Horse was going to be done, but it's so much larger than Rushmore combined that Mount Rushmore fits under his left arm and he's pointing forward. He's pointing to the north. That's pretty wild, isn't it? Yeah. I didn't know it was bigger. Imagine that, something that big, an arm above all those president's heads. That's how big it is. (0:16:08)

And then over to the far right there, that would be the security contingency setup in the missile field. Maybe that's a primary alert force or that'd be like a SWAT team configuration with a 50, might even been an 81 millimeter mortar there. I don't know. But you see in the background, there's a helicopter. Now that would be six more security policemen. That'd be a quick reaction team. So good security there. (0:16:30)

Okay. When you were out in a F-150 though, right? Isn't that what you guys drew? No, that's correct. Yeah. That was a Cadillac Gage armored personnel carrier. But you can see here... Oh, sorry. Go ahead. They were a lot of fun. They started deploying those to the field right as I was being reassigned and sent overseas. (0:16:54)

So I didn't really get much activity with them at that particular time in that area. But those are extremely heavy vehicles for clay roads, especially as slippery as it gets out there. And they had hard rubber tires for any machine gun fire. And several times, some guys rolled one of these things and had some real close calls in them because they're just so uncontrollable on dirt roads. (0:17:17)

But then again, you can't run 70 miles an hour down a clay road either. No. Well, you can. (0:17:22)

Right. Well, that's what it ends up being. And it says kilo six here. Is this the same size as November five? No, but November would be a sister flight to this one. You have five launch control facilities forming a different section of the squadron. Like you have the 66th, 67th, and 68th. And each one of those three areas, you had five launch control facilities. (0:17:52)

And then each of those five LCA, one LCA had control of 10 missiles. So the total number of missiles at Ellsworth was 150 total. And then there were 15 of those launch control facilities where you lived. I see. So November five was one of those 15? Yeah, it was a sister flight to Kilo. I see. Yeah, here it is. So November five. Yeah, that was the closest missile site to the launch control facility of November one. (0:18:21)

Okay, so that's here. This is turned around, actually, you know, North's up. I think North is down in this photo, but... Yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, here's the truck. Basically, you pulled up on this side, right? That's correct. And out a little bit further, there's a cattle gate. It's about 60 feet from the front gate. Okay, I see. It's still there today. Yeah, there's two tracks, tracks on a vehicle. (0:18:49)

You can see how big a vehicle it is. You'll be able to go around. So I'm sure that once the site was... we never did that drive around, like you just said, on the exterior. We didn't do that. We only did that a few times. But usually, at sit four, that would be walked around before, but we do it on the inside. (0:19:11)

So was there a lot of snow on this night? Oh, yeah. The ground was covered in snow. Okay. And ice. It was extremely cold, between 9 and 13 degrees. Do you want me to just start where it all... walking out the door and how this all happened? That's today. It's been decommissioned. Okay. Rancher uses it to process his cattle on now. (0:19:35)

And then the last couple of years, and I didn't have a picture of that, he built some type of a metal building. But he made some type of building there, where he, I guess he works on his animals. He's got a big ranch. You know, they're super nice people. You know, somebody owns what November 1 is, or November Control is today. And they never even came out there and worried a thing about what we're doing. (0:19:57)

Everybody in the whole town knew we were out there filming. So it's pretty neat, really. It's cool. And so on that 1977, I guess, can you just bring us back to that night, really? All right. Well, my night began at about 9.15, even though I was on duty at 6. That was our first day out of the three-day tour of duty that we would be doing. (0:20:22)

And I just stepped outside to smoke a cigarette or just take a break for a minute. (0:20:28)

And when I did, I looked to my east, I just walked out there and looked around, looked to my east, I see this light above the horizon about 30 degrees. And so I watched it for a few minutes, and its luminosity was really different than anything I've seen. (0:20:54)

It just didn't look right. And it didn't look like a bomber light or B-52 bomber light or anything. Or what was that on a helicopter? We had super Blackhawks, but I don't remember them ever flying at night. So I really don't know what their light patterns were like. The B-52s, yeah, because they did low-level flying sorties at some nights, and they'd get down pretty low. But anyway, I see this object and I thought, well, what is that? (0:21:14)

It's not Venus, it's not a moon, but it was large, meaning that if I extended my right arm out and I held my hand straight out like this, it would cover it. I mean, of course, there'd be light on this side and both that side of my hand, but it would cover the height of it. So that's really big, though. I mean, that's really big if you think about it. (0:21:37)

Much bigger than the moon. I mean, yeah, I mean, in close proximity. And I just thought, what in the world? And then I closed my fist and it would illuminate around my fist, of course, you know, I was trying to gauge its size. What color? It was between like a white and orange and red hues. (0:22:05)

It was just so stark. It was like no light I'd ever seen. You know how sometimes if you've never seen an LED light, I know there's fewer people that haven't seen them than have, but I'm just saying, you know, these newfangled LED lights have that intensity that will blind you. (0:22:25)

You can't even look at it, if you know what I mean. Well, it wasn't like that, but it was extremely bright. And it was different than anything I'd ever seen before. So that's what drew my curiosity to it. And I was just saying it was five to seven miles away. Just, you know, by what I've been taught, you know, in security police tech school, you know, about identifying aircraft day or night, you know, or their distance. (0:22:49)

And Michael Johnson didn't seem to care. That was so interesting. I was out there alone at first. I'm going to try something. As I said before, my father, he was a merchant seaman. So there were several times when I was younger, I got to sail with him and mostly in the Atlantic and up Northern ports and that kind of stuff. (0:23:12)

But it was really cool to be 13 years old and go on a ship for the summer with your dad, you know, a big ship. Well, I just got the idea. I'd seen lights used at night for communications, not only while I was doing that, but on the navigation bridge, flashing another ship. But you see war movies like that, that using the light to communicate or Navy movies where they're doing that. (0:23:34)

So I ran inside real quick. My buddy, Bill Holman was on the phone and I said to him, I said, Hey Bill, there's something really strange out here. I said, come check it out, man. And he just looked at me, heard me and he kind of waved me off, you know, he was talking to his wife back in Rapid City. They may have lived on base, I don't know. He just kind of waved me off and he just shook his head. (0:23:55)

So I said, okay, I said, do you mind if I flip the facility lights at it? And he didn't even answer me. So I just reached up. It was a rocker switch behind us, behind the flight security controller's office chair. That's what he was. I was an armed response team member at that particular time, because Michael Johnson had to rank me by two months. (0:24:17)

But anyway, I just reached up and the switch like five or six times, just blip, blip, no sequence, no SOS, no signal of anything with any pattern, like a dumb human. And I walked outside and I looked at it and all of a sudden, it just flipped off and then it flipped back on and it flipped off again. I said, well, I got to get somebody to see this. (0:24:43)

So that's when I ran back inside and I got Michael Johnson and he just said, told me whatever at that particular time, but he came out and he was working vacation relief for my team member and asked my buddy went home to get married. So that was pretty cool. But anyway, Michael Johnson said he was from Chicago, real nice guy. (0:25:08)

He ran me by two months and we just get to know each other. And anyway, so he came outside and he sees it and he didn't say anything at first. And I said, hold on, I'm going to go flip the lights out of it again. So I ran back inside and I flipped the lights out of it again, ran back outside real fast because it's not far, you know, 20 feet in and out. (0:25:30)

And it flipped off, flipped on, flipped off and flipped on. It sat there a few more minutes and I thought, wow, man. I said, what do you think about that? He goes, he didn't even know what to say. He just kind of said like, whatever. He said that three times to me that night. And I didn't know how to take that because it was, I said, you got to admit, that's really, that's cool, isn't it? But he didn't say any more. (0:25:51)

So I ran back inside, flipped the lights out of it again. And when I came back outside, it was off. It was three times total that it did it, where I flashed back twice, but it was the third time that when it went off, it didn't come back on. (0:26:00)

And at that particular time, but what it did do is when it went off, it moved north and then more to the west, more like straight out away from us and it popped back on. And that's where it came back on the last time as it went back out. Was it stationary the whole time? I mean, when it was flashing, is it just... Yes. Yeah, it was not moving across the sky. (0:26:28)

Just sitting in the same spot. And I at first thought it was coming toward me. That's why I couldn't really make out what it was, but it wasn't. It was just hovering there more or less. Okay. So then it, three times... You're talking about a plateau also, if it's over 3,200 feet high, that's where, at South Dakota, what the elevation is there. (0:26:54)

So noise, you hear very quickly because there's nothing breaking it up. It's a prairie and you can hear things coming from a long way like thunder, buffalo running, which did happen a few times, but there was no noise associated with this. And that's the... So you saw it move away from you and then flash off one more time? No, it just went off. (0:27:21)

Where it moved to the northern position, it just sat there for a few minutes and then just, it just went off or phased out or whatever you want to say. Can you like, estimate where that is? Is that near November 5? Do you think you saw it there? No, that would be at November 1. That would be November 1. Yep. I've got a couple of pictures of November 1. I'm not sure if I have an aerial, but I can get one. (0:27:45)

Yeah, no worries. You need to. So do you suspect or do you estimate where it was, at least in the general direction? We can't really tell the range, but do you think it was over a previous silo? And when you first saw it and then it went to... No, I don't believe it was. I don't, there wasn't anything over there. There was an Oscar site. (0:28:00)

I think it was an Oscar site across Highway 79. I can't remember exactly what it is because our area began at Highway 79, everything to the west. So the next sister flight over, I think it was Oscar that was next to us, to the east of us. But where that craft was located wasn't over a site that I know of. (0:28:35)

Okay. And this was in, just to go to the date. It was in 1977. Can you just say the day? Yeah, I don't have a particular day. It was just in November. It was right before Thanksgiving. Okay, excellent. And we've had, I guess a lot of people have been asked about maglite. (0:28:53)

Maglite didn't come out until 1979. And they asked, how did he have a maglite? How do you answer that, I guess? Well, it was an aluminum black light of some kind. (0:29:01)

I don't know how much we traded with Japan. Remember, it wasn't China supplying us, it was Japan. So it was some kind of a light and I was proud to have it. Does it work better than the standard OD green with a 90 degree neck? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that thing was terrible. Yeah, I know that's for sure. That was a torture device. That wasn't a flashlight. (0:29:20)

Anyway, so I stand corrected. I knew that from the very beginning. I just called it a maglite because people could associate with it. But I used the size of a super Walmart building. That was the size of that craft. And I don't know what else to say about it. But it's just in general, you know, so people relate to it, can relate to something by description. (0:29:44)

So black aluminum light, not maglite. I had one. Okay, excellent. Okay, so you see the basically we have the lights. It moves. Oh, I guess that was about 945, 950. And I went back inside and, you know, our TV networks went off at midnight, you would get the signal, then the little graph that would come up look like radiation signal. (0:30:20)

And we just had those three channels. Anyway, so I was just, you know, reading a book or something, or I go talk to Bill Holliman, and I was just messing around the day room. And all of a sudden, it was about 1220, 1215, 1220. All of a sudden, we have like a, an alert phone that's connected to the launch control officers downstairs. And they're about 60 foot down there in a capsule, a hardened capsule. (0:30:44)

The flight security controller's office is directly above that. And he's kind of like in front of that elevator shaft. And that's where his office is located. And he directs us and our movements and what we do. So anyway, this alarm goes off and our phone goes off. (0:31:05)

And I hear it, it's, you know, you got to pick it up. It's one of those kind, it's extremely loud. You can hear it from the front of the, you know, from the front of the site back to the back of the site. And so he picked the phone up, and he was talking to one of the officers downstairs. And he said, yes, sir, sit for November 5, which is a high level alarm, which is one that you didn't get very often. (0:31:25)

Sit for, so situation for... situation for, and there's a guideline. There's a guideline for it. Meaning, you know, you have a set of instructions that you follow, you know, to get to that, whatever causes the problem or, you know, what have you. But anyhow, so from that point forward, we know we get a safety briefing from the officers. (0:31:49)

We're being dispatched there. We have a travel time of about 15 minutes to November 5. That time you issued your code tables, your weapons, all your stuff that you have. And of course you live out of what's called a ditty bag and a carry-on bag, which is all of our equipment in it. (0:32:06)

Parka and flight pants, bunny boots. I mean, I had all my own that night, so did he, because I knew I was going to be out in the weather. And as I said, the temperature was between nine and 13 that night. And... What does the situation for mean? What is that? (0:32:18)

Well, it means there's an inner, or I should say there's an outer antenna array. Then there's an inner alarm system, which is tied into the entrance vaulting area of that missile silo. And that means these two items have been penetrated and or messed with in some way. ISKRA I see. So you have an outer alarm, I'm guessing is out here, and then you have an inner vault alarm inside? (0:32:46)

Actually, there's one of the drawings, the antenna array was right in the middle of the site, right around the long silo itself. And they're about 12 feet high. And one of the pictures, well, that one will do. You see those little triangular shape or pyramid shape little drawings there? Yeah, these things here? Yeah, that would be the antenna, that would be the outer perimeter. Those broadcast a beam about, I understand about 10 feet above the site itself. (0:33:17)

And of course, around to its own, to all three axis, all three posts. ISKRA I see. And so that is just EMF energy? It's just like motion detectors? Yeah, highly tuned. Right. ISKRA Highly tuned motion sensors. And it doesn't aim up or it just seems 10 feet above? Say that again? ISKRA Does it aim up? I guess I'm trying to see how this... No, they're shaped like ears. (0:33:52)

They're shaped like ears on a post and they look like I wish you had a there's another drawing of them. These things, they look like ears from a long distance away. They're really cool. They're about, but they're about eight or 10 feet long. I think I see this here. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. That's a better rendition of it anyway. Best way I could draw it. (0:34:11)

Okay, so these basically these are... That would be the antennas, yes. Sensitive emitters, like motion sensors. Yeah, a bird, which we had a lot of birds fly home. You know those, what are they called? A kite? Is it a kite? No, like a sandpiper. They would, they loved the pebbles that were on those missile sites. They were all covered in pebbles, you know, that's what they did. (0:34:41)

Besides what the launch area was, that was all concrete and stuff, but everything else was rock covered. And those birds would build nests or lay eggs on these things. I mean, you wouldn't believe the bird alarms that we used to have to tend to. And they were quite small, but that's how sensitive those things are. Is this what it looked like? You know, the silo here? (0:35:02)

Yeah, what's in the back of them at Kilo 6? Yeah, you see that concrete? You see the railing section coming toward you? There's like a little brown length section right there. It's the back of the blast door. Can you see that? The back right here? Yeah, right there. See those long brown things? Here. There, that's railroad track. (0:35:26)

Okay. And then what, there's two lines of that, and then there's a kick plate at the end of it. And when that hatch blows back from conventional explosion controlled, it blows back and it hits that plate. Well, what it does is it pitches that 13-ton cover right there off up and over the fence, because I think some of the tests where they launched these, they shredded through the rail tracks and took out the fence, but the fence broke across the site and tripped the missile. That's what they were worried about. (0:35:58)

So this is your 13-ton blast, and this is the size of railroad tracks right here? (0:36:05)

Yeah, that's for the door to ride back on when it's blown, when it's open. Ah, I see. So that's how it opens, and then the missile can shoot out of here. And then the missile goes. It's a solid fuel rocket, so it's immediate, like a bullet out of a gun. And is there just one rocket in there? Yeah, one rocket, one warhead. I think they were 1.2 mega. Yeah, I think that's what they were. (0:36:32)

And then is this part of the alert system? It's probably been updated, I'm guessing. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Those might be light cans or something up there, I don't know. Or it might be a new monitoring method, I'm not sure. Okay. Excellent. Those are 1.2 megaton, that's what they were. Okay. In a Mantuz. Oh, excellent. (0:37:01)

Okay, so it's night, you basically get the alert, which was the outer alarm, or was it the inner? No, it was both. It was the outer and the inner. Okay. Both of those have been detected. That's what makes up a Situation 4. Okay, Situation 4. One before the other. And when you guys were going out there, were you nervous or concerned? Or is this just a routine kind of run? Well, it wasn't routine. (0:37:27)

And of course, it was about, I guess it was about 12.35, somewhere in there, 12.40. I know it was before one o'clock. And of course, at that, we're due to give 15-minute security radio checks. So we got everything bundled up in our vehicle, our ditty bags, and our weapons, and our code tables, and everything that we're required to have. And I had my bunny boots on, and you know what bunny boots are, probably. (0:37:49)

Yes, yeah. Giant white boots. Well, they make them in dark blue also. Anyway, you can't survive in that kind of snow and temperature with leather shoes on 9 and 13 degrees. Your feet freeze down. Yeah, and you're done if that happens. But it was brutal. The winters are really brutal there. But anyway, so we took a left at the end of the site, went to the next intersection. (0:38:18)

Now, mind you, all these roads are clay, and they're rock topped, and the county or the state mends and takes care of these roads. And I'm telling you, you can drive from one side of South Dakota to the other, just like almost the interstate. You don't mind, you know, a little orange hue on your car when you're done, but really quite a nice road. (0:38:36)

So we took that second left, and we were heading toward Highway 79. And I guess that from that intersection or from the Launch Control Facility up to Highway 79 is about four and a half miles. And it goes down a little bit, and it comes up to the top of the road bed of Highway 79, sitting up on top of a plateau. (0:38:59)

So just prior to that, I looked over. I'm in the passenger seat. You know, nothing's been said so far between Mike and I as we were going to sit for. It just never happened right off the rip like that, so it was kind of strange to get that. (0:39:10)

But I looked over to my right, and if I'm facing north, and I'm the center of a clock, and I look at four o'clock, four o'clock's over here to my right. I don't know how it looks to you, but I looked about four o'clock, and there was a pulsation coming from the ground miles away. And it was like a dull orange. (0:39:35)

It wasn't red, but it was a dull orange. And it was just pulsating, and it was a long ways away. That's it. So we got to Highway 79, and we turned right. So when we did that, it came from the four o'clock position up to about the one o'clock position. As soon as it did that, it got brighter. (0:39:51)

I told Michael Johnson, I said, man, that's that object. I'm telling you. His reply was, man, you're crazy. Whatever. Whatever. He said that a couple times. He said, whatever. So I said, I'm telling you, that's that crap. So then it got real quiet, you know. And there's only one stop sign and one stoplight in Newell, South Dakota, and they're both on Highway 79 on your way to Sturgis from the north. (0:40:20)

And so we pulled up to the stop sign, and that road is called Ormond Road. You can google it. And took a right there and went down about a mile and a half. And then the road, Hartop Road, dropped back off the clay. But yet it doglegs to the left. And just beyond that, there's November 5. Well, we turn that corner, I can see it, and until it's total size, when we turn that corner, it was the most unbelievable size object I've ever seen in my life in the sky, sitting about 10 feet above that blast door. (0:41:09)

And no noise, no sound, noise, whatever you want to call it, nothing, just sitting there in total charge or whatever it wanted to be in charge of. And we just continued to roll right up to the cattle gate at the entrance of the site. Michael Johnson didn't speak. And I said, man, what is that? You going up there? He didn't even answer me. (0:41:36)

And he was just kind of like bathed in this blue hue light that it's kind of like, I've just never seen colors like that, or whatever that energy was around him. It wasn't energy around him, it was just a total emission of light in a cab of a truck that was just completely overwhelming. (0:41:58)

And as soon as you get that thought process, okay, we're in bright light, bathed in bright light from this object, then all of a sudden, the air or something just got pulled out of that cab of that truck. And mind you, the windows are up, I mean, it's 9 to 13 degrees outside, and you're going through this, but it felt, I was about 215, 220 pounds, I guess, in parkas and everything, M16 in front of me. (0:42:29)

And it felt as if it was pulling me up to the top of the cab of the truck, or pulling me to the back glass, but up. (0:42:35)

And trying to process that thought, even now, is just really difficult to do. I remember you got to, in the other interview, it seemed like that was a real emotional moment. Right where the air is kind of removed from the cab. Why that though? Why not when you drove up and you see this giant object? I don't know, it seems like that should have been shocking right away. (0:43:17)

It was. I mean, you just have to remember, you're traveling 45 miles an hour, and you're looking at this thing, and you pull it to where you're supposed to be. You've done it a hundred times at other missile sites all over the place, including November. I mean, I've worked all over the 66, 67, 68. You do the same thing every time, is what I'm saying. (0:43:38)

But this particular time, and just as soon as the wheels stopped, it was just that intense, just blowing up light to just having the air pulled away from you. Just your atmosphere completely reversed. I mean, you got bright lights bad enough to try to think, what am I going to do here? What am I even doing here? What's my job here? And then all of a sudden, now my life's in question, or I felt that way. (0:44:07)

And the strangest thing was that when I got my thoughts in the next flash of a second, I said, I got to tell these people to stop, tell these people to stop. And I rolled the window down, and I had on one glove on my left hand, and I didn't have one on my right hand. And there I grabbed my black aluminum flashlight. (0:44:30)

And this mitten that I had on my left hand, it came down to my middle part of my arm, and it sends it into your parka, and it had three fingers, and then one finger exposed, and that kind of thing. So you could use your functions of your hand. But I climbed out that window and sat up on the windowsill like a scared monkey. (0:44:54)

And I grabbed on to that blue light, and I took that black aluminum flashlight that I had, and I held on to the bubble on top of the vehicle. And I flashed this thing, my little old flashlight, this immense gargantuan object that's beyond measure in size. I mean, I'm almost looking directly up at it because of the circumference of this thing on this missile site, where we pulled up at that 45 degree angle. (0:45:22)

That was our big tactical move right there. Nothing can defeat that. Yeah, I love this one. Yeah. What did it look like? You have it drawn here, kind of red. Honestly, it looked like a mini sun, but the surface of it stayed very close to itself. It was almost as if it was electrically charged in some way. A perfect sphere, but energized. Don't know what was in it. (0:45:56)

It had no leading edges. There was no windows. There was no thrust channels, anything that I could see like that. Nothing. Just an absolute perfect sphere. (0:46:03)

And I mean, perfect. Brighter than you can even imagine. I don't know what its power was, but it had a pile of it. But anyway, I pulled myself up on that seat, on that windowsill, that dark blue two-wheel drive Ford F-150, and I flashed this black aluminum light at this thing. No sequence. I don't know any sequence. I couldn't even think about an SOS, you know, really. And I flashed it four or five times. (0:46:34)

And all of a sudden, something changed. And I just, I don't know. I was like, okay. I slid back down on that seat, and I grabbed my M-16 and put it between my legs. And I remember turning to the left and looked at Michael Johnson. I said, Michael's going to be okay now. He didn't say anything to me, but he was just illuminated in this light. (0:47:03)

I don't know what was on the left side of the vehicle, because he was actually closer, you know, to the thing than I was by whatever the cab width of that truck was. And I just, I felt a calmness and something else at that time, but I just grabbed the barrel that gun, and I just kind of tried to face forward, but I felt something over here on my right-hand side. (0:47:32)

And I don't know how I can describe this, but I just, I knew I had to look to that side, but I was so afraid. And you said, you mentioned you had, you felt a calmness. I did. That quickly evaporated into what was on the right side of me. But when I first sat down, I felt this calmness. (0:47:53)

And then he being bathed in that light, the way he was bathed, I guess I was too, because you could see stuff that you'd never seen before. That's how penetrating the light was. You close your eyes, you could see through the tops of your eyelids, literally. I mean, and all these thoughts just run through your mind, flashes of a second. You know, I guess the survival flight kicks in, you know, the, you know, fighter flight, you know, or run or mess yourself or something, but it all comes to you real quick. (0:48:21)

What about this round ball, the sphere? When we first pulled up, now, mind you, it's bright light. And then all of a sudden this thing is in front of the windshield, bouncing around like a ping pong ball. But it was about five times the size of a beach ball and it's black. And it had these lines in it that were from top to bottom. (0:48:47)

I don't know if they were vents, I don't know what they were, but this thing just shot left, right, up, down, around the side slowly, and then just was gone in just a flash. I mean, that fast. I have no idea what it was. And, you know, the word drone in 1977 wasn't something that was used very often, if ever. (0:49:09)

It looks like it's right out the front of the window. I mean, it was that close. It was just right across on the other side of the window. (0:49:13)

Yes, it was right on the outside of the window, just above the hood of the truck. Man, that is so freaky. I can't imagine seeing this giant black object. Yeah, especially seeing where the big one was, and then all of a sudden you have this thing blasting in front of you. Okay, so the black beach ball, and you said it had lines on it? (0:49:38)

Yeah, it had... Can you describe it at all? Yeah, it looked like it had not lines that you'd be drawn, but lines that were... it was built like... you ever seen the cooling fins on an electric motor? A big electric motor? Yeah. Yeah, it's cooling aluminum fins. They stick out like that. It was like that from top to bottom, but in line, you know, like the way a spear would be. (0:50:01)

Yes. In other words, they were curved, wasn't straight. And it was solid black, but that's what I thought they were, because it could just move in any direction at will. And yeah, it didn't look like it had... did it move with momentum? You said it kind of moved like a fly. (0:50:21)

Did it seem like tic-tac, like it just bounced off invisible walls? No, it just seemed like... I mean, it could move at a half mile an hour. It could fly at 5,000 miles an hour in an instant. It could just move as if it was willed to move that way. I don't know. So it's around a one meter sphere? Maybe a little bit bigger than that. (0:50:41)

Okay, so it's within the one to four meter sphere range? Yeah, there you go. Okay, yeah. Okay, cool. Probably right on top of us, but it was, you know, within about seven feet, six to seven feet of the hood, right above the windshield. Excellent. Okay. And so you see that object move around to your right side? Yeah, it's just part of it. (0:51:10)

It's in front of me, you know, left, right, up, down, around, and then back. And then it just... I mean, it was gone. I don't know if it left, but it was out of our sight or out of my sight. I don't know if it was behind me and that's where it went to or where it went, but it was there and then it wasn't. You know, it's just really hard to... what are you going to do in this situation? So something started kind of manifesting itself out, you know, on the right side of me. (0:51:37)

And I could make out something that was blurry, but my vision was just like tunneling and like prior to passing out or something. I've done that a couple of times. And I felt I was just kind of going black like this. And as I did, as I was looking to my right, I saw the silhouettes of three small beings and one tall being. (0:52:01)

And that's picture the inside of the... or a drawing of the inside of the pickup truck. (0:52:07)

You saw the beings to your right. I mean... Am I right? Yeah. And that's... How far away, I guess, is it that night? Are they standing in snow, you know, or are they like... More than 10 feet. They're walking toward me. Are they walking in the snow? You can tell or... I don't know if you'd call it walking, but yes. (0:52:34)

Yeah. What do you mean you don't know? Believe me, the last thing I looked at was their feet. Yeah. I mean, I didn't... The process, you know, what I saw was just... What I was seeing was just very, very difficult to do. Just describing that process of seeing. And the one on the far right, he had... They had on these uniforms and they were black or a dark gray. And their color is, I want to say, like a bluish hue to them. (0:53:10)

And the smell... Now, the one on the right, the taller one, I could only get two on that first paper. It was three small and one tall. But the one on the far right, he had a uniform on, but his head was shaped different than the three in front of it. And he was extremely menacing looking. (0:53:37)

And I don't know. I don't just base that on how his face is constructed, but he did not look kind at all. And believe me, when you ever have that happen, or you ever have something that's that drastic occur to you where someone scares you that bad, that's not even the right description. But that scared me. And there was not one thing I could do about any of it. (0:54:05)

And I just blacked out. Now, I don't know if it was induced by them or not. And I continued to hear, do not fear, do not fear. But it wasn't in words. Mind you, my window's still up. I just see them moving. There's water droplets on the window. And then with tunnel vision coming in like that, I just have my M16. I don't know what else to do. (0:54:42)

And when I look right, and I heard that, do not fear. But as if somebody just kind of turned the lights down low. And that was the last thing I remembered from that point. Amazing. I mean, especially after this last week, and it really does look like the U.S. has been hiding all this information. Of course they have. So, of course, and people like you have been saying it for decades, literally, and no one took any notice. (0:55:08)

I remember, as I said before, I had a security clearance, of course, in the Air Force. I got out in 83. And then in 84 is when I went to work for the U.S. Department of Energy at the General Electric Newton Devices Facility in Largo, Florida. So, you had to obtain a Q clearance. To work in these DOE facilities, especially in security, because you had access to many, many areas that others did not. (0:55:36)

And you perform responses there just in a different area or different habitat than what South Dakota was on missile sites. Still the same functions. You had alarms and severity of alarms and that kind of thing. (0:55:44)

Yeah. I mean, you'd guarded nuclear weapons. Our nation trusted you to guard nuclear weapons. And that's the Q code. Yeah. Luckily, I didn't have to get a Q code. We almost did. We almost had the strike mission while I was there. They did get the strike mission for F-16s, which is dropping nuclear weapons from F-16s, which is about one of the dumbest things I can possibly imagine. Yeah. So, luckily, I avoided that. (0:56:11)

But yes, exactly. You go through a ton of background checks. I mean, all type of mental history checks, every kind of check to get that. Yeah. They usually go back. I remember I saw part of the OPM officer let me look at some of the people they had spoken with, you know, because we moved a lot. I mean, that's one of the things that took my... OPM is Office of Personnel Management, right? So, the security officer, I guess. (0:56:37)

They do it for all governments. So, you know, there's a vast, huge arm of the government to do that. But there was, I think, my third grade school teacher was Miss Wood, and they found her and talked to her about me. I couldn't believe it. That was in Miles Elementary in Tampa, Florida. Yeah, they really are detail-oriented, right? I wish they would use that towards this topic instead of our own people. (0:57:05)

Right. Okay. So, this is the smaller guys, right? You said around how tall were these things? Around three and a half to four foot. Okay. Is this the normal graze? It doesn't look like a normal graze that you would consider like a gray alien. I don't know. They were, like I said, they had a bluish hue to them. Blue. Okay. Honestly, you could call that color what we see as grayish. (0:57:29)

You could see it, but I'm colorblind. So, to me, it looked like that silver grayish, best I can remember. Okay. Blue. Memories, you know, go through your mind and you just try to get them, you know? Exactly. Yeah. And again, you drew these. You're not a professional drawer, is what I'm guessing, correct? No, I'm not. You're just a regular... It took me about two weeks to do that. (0:57:55)

I said, I better draw something about those. So, I did. Okay. We can help after with some AI. I can have you talk to my thumbnail creator. He can help you. Yeah, that would be awesome. I mean... I'd love to get some better photos up. Okay. So, we had these beings. There's three of them, the shorter ones. Do you remember what order they were in? Was like the shorter beings in front and the... Yeah. The three were in the front and the tall was in the back, in the center, behind the second one. (0:58:27)

It was like real organized. It was real militaristic. And they came from across that road. So, I think in hypnosis, I think there was another craft across the road, a small craft. I don't think they just walked over there because they approached my vehicle from the north. How did they get there? See, we're between... We're at the cattle gate, the beginning of the side. (0:58:57)

Well, when they approached the side of my vehicle, they came from my right to the north of me. So, how did they get out there in that field? And I studied that hard when I was out there filming for Discovery Channel. Of course, they wouldn't get down to the site. We were about 50 yards away from it and they just looked at an open field, pasture area. (0:59:13)

They wouldn't do it because the man had built some building there and they thought they'd have to pay him, I guess, if they photographed his dead gum building. So, we're looking at an empty field, which, you know, we filmed all day long and they used eight minutes of it. It was me crying on the side of the road. (0:59:40)

Well, that really impacted me a great deal. You know, when I went into hypnosis the first time, that's when I went into AFib and I didn't even know it. I never knew what AFib was until that happened. Can you explain that or what happened? Well, it's a, you know, it's an erratic rhythm of your heart. The bottom is doing something or the top is doing something different. (0:59:59)

So, they have to literally stop your heart or give you some powerful drugs to slow your heartbeat down so it synchronizes again. But that hypnosis session really kind of bothered me a great deal when I did it. Dr. Upton and... The information bothered you? Like what came out of it? (1:00:23)

Just what I was seeing, just what I felt and saw, you know, because it's just not sights. You know, you get feelings. You know, I remember the smell that I didn't really think about that much before. So, what was the smell from hypnosis, right? So, not... Yeah, iodine. It was iodine smell. So, just like in Virginia, the same thing. You know it then, don't you? You know, in Tampa, Florida, I was raised primarily there. (1:00:54)

I fished a lot with my father. And we always, you know, had live shrimp or dead shrimp. But we always had shrimp. And they always had that smell to them. And that night, that smell hit me like a like a brick in the face. And I guess in the proximity or something, because I don't remember how close I actually got. (1:01:19)

I was blacked out. But I want to say in his belt, in that belt, I don't know if it's a he, she, whatever it is, there is a rod right there with a yellow tip on it. I couldn't draw that very well, but the tip's larger than that. But this thing, that thing is glowing. It's like a gold color, gold yellow. (1:01:36)

Again, going over to the other being to the right, you see the chest plate right there? He had his chest plate, and that was probably four or five inches across. And it was shaped into a... it wasn't a wedge or a diamond, but it was like the bottom half of an octagon. You know, half of an octagon. (1:01:58)

And I just studied that for a moment. And this rod, I don't know what was done. I don't know. They never got that close to me, but at that particular point, but I don't ever use that many bottoms, but it kind of bothers me when I really think about this sometimes. And they have uniforms, you know, are they matching uniforms? I couldn't see the entire uniform of the taller one, but I know the sleeves were larger. (1:02:27)

Just a basic, it was a bigger being than the ones in the front. So it was wider, more square. Those, the hands that I saw were not quite like that. I mean, I'm not a hand artist, but they were very different. And mine are your hands. And I don't know if that's a correct depiction of what I saw, but it's close to it. (1:02:55)

Oh, really? So it was definitely a different species as well. Oh yeah, there was no doubt about it. The three in the front were exactly the same, uniform the same with the exception of the one on the far right. He had that rod in his belt and he was, I guess he was leading away or something under the direction of the one behind him. And as I blacked out, that's the last thing that I saw and remembered. (1:03:20)

And the next thing I know, I opened my eyes, which seemed just for a second and took a deep breath and opened my eyes into total darkness. And I went, where'd all the light go? Where's Michael? Well, where are we, Michael? And he didn't answer me. So I looked at him and I said, Michael, Michael, Michael, no reply. I pushed him. I said, Hey man, what's wrong with you? You okay? And he didn't answer me. (1:03:54)

He didn't look at me and do nothing. He just rocked with what I just did. I took my finger and poked his face and he was just stuck to the steering wheel. Oh, his eyes open? Yeah. He's breathing. His eyes are open. He's just in a, he's like, he's not there. But the, the, the energy that he was using on his hands, I really, from the passenger side, I couldn't pull his hand off the steering wheel. (1:04:22)

Went, Michael, Michael, come on, man. Come on. And as I was doing this, I said, man, what is going on here? I just opened the door up and I stepped out. When I stepped out, I put my foot down in mud and my money boots, of course. And I went, where? It was so confusing. (1:04:34)

And, uh, so I'm standing in mud. Michael Johnson don't speak. I can't get him to do anything. And then there's a white wall to my right. That's at about a 45 degree angle, but it's as far in either direction that I can see. I, at that time, I didn't know North from South or East or West, you know, and, um, all of a sudden the radio cracked alive and it said, and it more said, WFC of November 1, do you copy? Well, that was wing security control back at Ellsworth, which is located 55 miles to the East of November 1. There I have the overall say-so under the direction of security police personnel in the missile field. (1:05:23)

And they, of course, work with, you know, base functions and any security measures that have to be taken, sending out a QRP team or investigators or anything like that for something to happen. And he said it twice. And I said, Michael, you're going to get that thinking somehow reason he's, he's snacked out of this stuff, you know, and he doesn't answer. (1:05:47)

So I picked the radio up and I said, uh, senior Airman Woods, uh, wing security control. I said, I'm here, you know, and he goes, uh, he goes, where are you located? And I said, sir, I don't know. He says, are you okay? And I said, I am, but I said, my partner, I said, Michael Johnson. I said, I even said, you know, it's our first night we ever worked together. (1:06:09)

I said, he won't respond. He said, well, let's see what's wrong with him. I said, I don't know, sir. His eyes are open and he's breathing. He's just glued to the steering wheel. He won't let go of the steering wheel. He won't talk to me or anything. He said, well, I need you to make one minute security checks and continue that until we locate you. We're trying to triangulate your radio signal. (1:06:27)

Now that was taught in security police tech school back at, um, San Antonio at Lackland, but really never had to apply it. I mean, I'd been in a couple of years, you know, prior to that I came in in 75. So this was 77. So I know a little bit about it, but never done it before. What is the one minute security check? (1:06:47)

You're just talking into the radio? Every minute he wants you to check in and say, you know, November 1 of WSCI, you call me, he'd say loud and clear. So they can, yeah, direction find your location. Right. And, um, so I guess about 20, 25 minutes went by, I guess. But in the meantime, I'm looking up thinking, you know, where am I? What is this? (1:07:14)

What is this wall? And I'm confused about Michael Johnson and just everything what I've seen. And well, you know, where, where was November 5, you know? And, um, all of a sudden I looked down at my watch because I saw it started to get, it started getting light. I didn't even check the time, but it was after 6 AM. And I thought, wow, you know, we were at 5 at 1 AM or right at 1, right after 1 AM. And now it's after 6. So what's happened for the last five hours? (1:07:50)

You know, what happened to November 5? We never went on that site. So, you know, that would be implications for not doing your duty. You didn't strike the site as you're supposed to do to find out what the problem was, but didn't know what the problem was. Of course it was the object, but that hadn't been talked about yet. (1:08:22)

Anyway, um, so I couldn't believe it was at that time of the morning. And, you know, back then we didn't have cell phones and all that stuff. You know, nothing, didn't have computers or anything back then in 77. So about 25 minutes went by and I'm, the whole time I'm still trying to do whatever to Michael Johnson to get him to speak to me or something. I didn't know what else to do. (1:08:44)

And I see the lights coming over the top of this hill and come to find out we were on the back side of the Newell Lake Reservoir Dam. Now in that one picture that I drew, or that Google map picture that I sent you, that area that it's sitting in, yeah, where that's marked in the higher right, you see the dam on the right side of the picture there? That's the dam. (1:09:10)

So that was the direction in which I saw that craft when I first walked out the door that night. And from November 1, which is in the middle of the picture on the left, that's where that craft was at that dam. (1:09:22)

And I don't know what association there is with, you know, with dams or with water sources or whatever, but I've heard and read in the past that sometimes these objects are located near water, if possible. If there's a body of water, they're near it. Hydroelectric dams, rivers, lakes, that kind of thing. (1:09:44)

I don't know if you've ever heard that or not, but that was the direction which that craft appeared at 9 20 or so that night, I believe. So at that point, as Sergeant Garza came up, he arrived with his other, his team member, and he got out of the vehicle. He stopped short by about, I don't know, 20 to 40 feet. (1:10:04)

And he came walking over and I said, hey, he was a friend of mine. I said, hey, Sergeant Garza. I said, what's going on, man? He goes, Mario, I can't talk to you about it. He goes, we just came here to pick you up and to, or you're going to follow us back to November 1. I said, yeah, gotcha. I said, I need some help with Michael. He said something's wrong with him. (1:10:20)

And he goes, what do you mean? And I told him. So we unbuckled him and slid him over into the passenger seat and re-buckled him, never saying a word. And it took some real power to get his hands off the steering wheel. I mean, his fingertip, it was white and he was a real light-skinned black guy. And, but his fingers were just white, man. (1:10:42)

He'd squeezed all the blood out of his hands, his fingers like that. I don't know. But it was, I've never seen anybody grip onto something like that. I've read about it in, you know, combat information before. People have grabbed hold of things and held it till they broke their hands, you know, literally. But I've never seen that before. So we travel back, you know, only about 15 minutes, 20 minutes max back to November control. (1:11:06)

And as we pulled up at the LCF, of course, we went through the electronic gates and I was following Garza and there was two guys behind me. So there was total six security policemen looking for us. Now those were incorporated from other sites as backup alert forces. (1:11:26)

You have a primary alert force that's on duty at a given time during the day or night, and then you have a backup to them. And that's the two guys that are off duty. That's what that covers. So total of six cops were looking for us. And so we get to the missile site or get back to the launch control facility. (1:11:45)

And of course, everybody, flight chief, system flight chief, the off the duties officers that were on duty at the time are now off duty and they're waiting for us to arrive and talk to us. You had a flight, or the facility manager, and of course, the chief cook. We were starving to death, but it didn't work out very good. (1:12:03)

But Michael Johnson still was in like this catatonic, just un-anything state. (1:12:09)

When you tried to move him, like how did it work? You know, was his body just rigid? Yeah, we just had to pull his hands down, literally pull his hands down, just set them in his lap. And they stayed there, unbuckled him. And I got on the passenger side of the vehicle from the other door and got him by the inside of the legs. (1:12:30)

And Garza pushed, and I pulled and pulled him over and pushed him over like that and buckled him back in. He was just sitting there looking straight ahead. And he had on his parka and all this stuff, just like I did. I think he had on bunny boots also. So that's how we arrived in November control. And when we got there, of course, everybody came out to the vehicle. (1:12:53)

Had to clear weapons and all at first, you know, that was taken care of and put those away. And we started getting asked questions right away. And it was Master Sergeant Gray and the Tech Sergeant Hawkins. And they said, man, well, you know, what happened? You know, where have you been? How come y'all didn't go onto the site and all this stuff? And I just began to unravel and tell them, you know, what happened, what I saw and what I know and where we were. (1:13:21)

I don't even know about New Lake Reservoir because I've never been there before. I mean, it was across Highway 79, but it was a few miles away from where we're located. I just never been there. So it was even the off-duty officers, it was a lieutenant and a captain, you know, they had a million questions, you know, what did you see? And, you know, as you talk to one, the other three were talking amongst themselves, like this kind of thing. (1:13:46)

So it was a real strange feeling. Like I said, I felt more in trouble than I did, than being inquisitive as to what happened. And I wondered why, why was my credibility questioned? You know, regardless of the situation, that's the way you have to think for yourself, I guess. ISKRA Did you have any indication of what, what happened over that time? You know, you mentioned you knew six people were out looking for you. (1:14:16)

ROBERTS Yeah, well, I only realized that after, you know, they came and got us. I didn't know that prior to. I had no idea how many people they had actually sent, you know, to triangulate that. I've never done that before, to triangulate, triangulate radio signal by, you know, by talking. I think the pilots had something similar to that. And yet at one point, y'all had radios, I mean, in your survival gear, right? Yeah. Global phones, tech phones or whatever they are. (1:14:43)

ISKRA Yeah. Helicopters can actually find out your survival radio. ROBERTS So anyway, and they came, they just kept asking me questions, man. It was just crazy that the officers, you know, what happened? What did you see? No, what did you really see? What really happened? (1:15:05)

A question like that, I knew there were some trips that were going to be sent out probably to talk to us or whatever, you know, from the base. I didn't really know how they were going to pull it off or helicopter, you know, other people out to talk to us. So my mind was just overwhelmed. (1:15:25)

And I thought, I just got to, I didn't know the status of Michael Johnson. I just took him to one of the back rooms. And I guess they were trying to get some fluids in him or get him to, you know, responsive in some way. I don't know. But I just told him I just needed to get away for a second. (1:15:40)

I said, I need to go to the restroom. You mind? I said, can I go to the restroom? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go to the restroom. So I walked up the hallway through the day room and past the ping pong table where we eat and everything or the cafeteria area hallway and second, I think second door on the left or maybe third, I don't know. (1:15:58)

We had really nice restrooms. You had two stalls, you know, and you had two showers. I mean, it was really nice. You live really well in the middle of these prairies on these missile sites. I mean, there's nothing for miles and miles around you. You know, Newell was only eight miles away, nine miles maybe, but that was a cool, great little town to go grab some meat to barbecue or something if you could. (1:16:23)

And we did that often and they were real nice people there still are today. When I was there at this time, the population was 250. And today the population is around 650 or 675, something like that. But they, those are some really nice folks out there. So I went to this, I went to the restroom in the site and I didn't have to do anything, but I just went into a stall, number two stall, and I just sat down on that. (1:16:49)

Really crazy because I just saw it when I was out there two years ago now with Discovery Plus. And it's decommissioned, of course, so it's still standing, you know, the whole facility is, but it's windows are broken and that kind of thing. And they stripped the copper out of it, which is just a shame. Make a great bed and breakfast, you know. (1:17:14)

And all the Hobart cooking stuff is still there. All the $100,000 setup, gas stove, oven, everything, flattop. You could open a restaurant, but what's in the kitchen looks perfect. You know, there's no humidity there. So I went to the stall and I sat down and I got the weirdest feeling as if, as if I was leaving my body. (1:17:37)

And I don't know where it came from. I just flushed in some way. And it felt as if I was just moving down, moving down through my body. And I, and I, there were, there were channels that I could go down into. I know that's crazy sounding, but I'm just telling you, I just felt as if it was a clear path from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet and I was leaving through my feet. (1:18:02)

And I was somewhere down around here. I felt or thought I was when I squinted one of my eyes, I just got this vision that just tunneled in like that. And then this, this just started happening. (1:18:15)

Um, I, I, my eyes, I opened my eyes and I see four furry feet walking in front of the, um, of the, of the stall door. And it was a drug dog, a German Shepherd drug dog. So they sent up a security officer out from, from Ellsworth with a drug dog, you know, and I, and I said, he goes, Hey man, you're doing okay. (1:18:44)

And I said, yeah, I'm all right. I said, you're looking for my ditty baggage out there in the day room. He said, no, I already got it. He said, I'm just coming to check on you. So I said, well, I appreciate that because, uh, I need a little bit. I needed a little bit of help right then. So I didn't mention any of that. (1:18:55)

And, um, I went back out in the day room and I washed my face wherever before I did though. I just, I remember just wetting my whole self down. Um, went back out of the day room and, and talked a few more and with a few more and answered some more questions. And then, uh, Magistrate Gray said, we need, we're going to go over and take you to Ellsworth. And, uh, I said, I kept saying, what about Michael Johnson? Don't worry about him. He'll be all right. (1:19:22)

We'll take care of him. So... Is it, sorry, is that the first time you've, you've felt that, that, that kind of feeling? Yeah. For real. Yeah. I didn't know if... Ever again or first and only time? Honestly. Yeah. I thought I was the only time I thought I was dying. I really did. I thought I was dying, but I had a clear channel of control about something in me was moving through myself is what I felt like, honestly. (1:19:53)

And I knew I was going out my feet. I don't know how else to say that. Right, baby girl. No, it's interesting. It reminds me of like what people say about astral, you know, astral projecting or, you know, pulling yourself out of your body, like towards the ceiling or something. And some feeling that, that... Yeah, that was, uh, that happened at a later time, not long after this incident, but I'll tell you about that. (1:20:22)

But, okay. So we go to, so, um, pack up all of our stuff and my stuff, Michael Johnson was with the assistant flight chief, excuse me. And I was with Sergeant Gray. So it was about 55 miles back to Ellsworth. And, um, it was a great, it was a silent ride, you know, he didn't really know the questions to ask. (1:20:38)

And I really didn't want to answer too much more as I'd already answered. I just tried to keep my mind up because, you know, I was married at the time. So I was trying to keep my mind, you know, how am I going to handle this? Because I could, I could be out of everything. (1:20:51)

You know, I could be out of a job in the middle of South Dakota, somewhere I've never been. You don't want to have, you don't want to not have a job in the middle of winter in South Dakota, let me tell you right now. Uh, so... Had you already written everything? Had you already written your statements? (1:21:03)

I had not written anything as of yet. They've definitely interrogated you already or started... Well, it was just part, that was the first part, you know, and, um, so we went into the back gate by Box Elder and went to the Satau building, which is our security police organizational building. It was a converted B-52 hangar turned into offices and so forth there. (1:21:27)

And our guard mount areas were held there. And at Ellsworth, you know, there were, I guess, around 800, 850 security police officers. Some were law enforcement, some were security, but, uh, they say one out of, one out of every four people that you'd meet at Ellsworth was a, was a cop, was a security policeman. (1:21:50)

So there's a lot of us there and, uh, everybody was as important as the other. Nobody was any different than anybody else. And so anyway, we go through the building and of course, it seemed like, uh, Colonel Ralph Spraker was my commander at the time. And when I went to his door, of course I led the way and, uh, you know, it was kind of like put out front. (1:22:15)

I had to knock on the door and pay the attention, hold down, come to his, come to attention at his desk and everything. Everybody else just kind of filed in. When I got in there, um, it was him, then the, uh, assistant base commander. It was a tall guy in a suit with a hat and, uh, he was a civilian or he may have been federal or something, or I guess from somewhere else. And then we had, it was two OSI officers and, uh, one was Captain Jack Reed and the other was Rick Doty. And I'm not sure if his particular rank at that time, but he was new to OSI pretty much. And, uh, but, uh, I remember him there. (1:22:54)

So, and he's kind of, he came forward just recently and sent me an email because I asked him to contact me and he did. So... Did you talk to him about this incident? Oh yeah. I described that he remembered it and he stated that he remembered there was another security policeman. He didn't acknowledge the name of Michael Johnson, but he remembered there was another one. (1:23:16)

And his job at that time was to, uh, he said he was working on, on a different project. He was just there to witness. And, um, his job was to go to the flight surgeon's office after our medical examination, which was kind of lengthy and, uh, pick up our, pick up those records and bring back to the investigating officer, Jack Reed, who's now passed away. (1:23:34)

You know, this is, like I said, this happened in 77. So it's hard to, you know, find these people if they're not, I don't know. But anyway, so they have that information in which I was never given any of it, but kind of getting ahead of myself. Um, so we come to attention and everybody, people are not introduced to anybody. (1:23:58)

You know, you just, they're just there to listen and to witness you, I guess. And, uh, so I told my commander everything that happened with the exception, I did not say at any time that I see, that I saw any beings outside the right window of that vehicle. (1:24:20)

I was adamant about it. I never said anything like that. Had I said something like that, you know, working nuclear missiles, you're in a PRP program, a personal reliability program. (1:24:26)

So anything that's questionable over a vision or something like that, that they can't substantiate or believe happened or anything like that, they'll remove you from the career field. And, uh, it's, it's just, it's just that way, unfortunately. But you told them everything else. So the giant... Everything else. Yes, sir. And then, um, so at the ending of that, you know, they asked me a bunch of questions, you know, the size of it, they laughed at me. (1:24:55)

Uh, the luminosity part, nothing's that bright. Uh, there were other things that were said that would just, uh, they were on that really, it was just unnecessary. But the biggest takeaway that I got up to that point, because mind you, they were going to send me to medical, to the flight surgeon's office to be examined. (1:25:19)

And they had to work, they worked that kind of, kind of, uh, I don't know what the word is for that. They were coy about how they did that. So, yeah, it sounds like the, the interrogation was really an interrogation, you know, that's what it sounds like. It wasn't a, what happened to our guy? Let's find out. It was more, what did he do? I kept asking about Michael Johnson. I kept getting told, don't worry about him. He's okay. (1:25:53)

He's fine. Don't worry about him. And so I didn't, I knew he'd be taken care of anyway, however that may be. And he was a single guy. He wasn't married. He lived on base. I do know that. And I found that out later. So we go to the medical, they escort, put us in the commander's car, take us over to, take me over to, um, uh, to the medical examination there in the flight surgeon's office at the hospital. (1:26:17)

And I go into a room and, or I'm escorted there and just an examination room, you know, like back then they had these gray partitions that had milky glass, milky glass in them or something like that. And most everybody that came over there to follow, I guess they could witness this, stood behind that milky looking glass. He, you know, you couldn't really see what was going on, but there were two doctors in the room with me and a nurse. (1:26:44)

And, um, they asked me to remove my t-shirt, which I did and get down to my, my shorts, which I did. And, uh, you know, I wouldn't look forward to any of that, but they examined my ears, eyes, nose, throat, everything, looked at my skin, looked at every, you know, just looked me over really well, my knees, my elbows, just all down my hands and that kind of thing. (1:27:11)

And, uh, I was okay. And then the, one of the surgeons, he puts on a vinyl glove and I'm like, no, I just had a feeling what that, I didn't want to have that feeling what that was. And, uh, he came up to me and he goes, you mind if I, I need to look at your gums. (1:27:24)

And I thought that was really a strange request. And I said, oh, okay. So he just takes his index finger and man, he just went all through my gums, just pressing on all my teeth. I don't know why. And I'll, I'll down the bottom. I mean, it took a good two minutes, you know, and that's a long time. Somebody probing your mouth with an index finger. (1:27:51)

And, uh, he stopped his glove off and he talked, said something to the other doctor, but then they, they just turned and face each other. And that's what they would do. And the nurse, she was just standing off to the side. And then, um, the one on the left that, uh, seemed to be the primary, uh, flight surgeon, he goes, I need to take a couple of skin samples. (1:28:14)

You know, senior, would you mind that? And I went, excuse me? Um, he said, I need to take a couple of skin samples. He said, you got some burns on you. And I just, that was totally off, off the chart to me. I said, what do you mean? I got burns. And he goes, well, you held up my hand. (1:28:29)

He goes, see on the back of your hand right here, he touched it. And sure enough, it felt sensitive, like a sunburn, like a sunburn. And, uh, I said, wow, I didn't know I had it. And then he felt up here and he goes, and this area right here, and that's where my beret was. (1:28:43)

He goes, this area right here has got a burn in it. So, or the skin's burned there. So he says, I need to, you know, say took a skin sample from up here on my right, above my right eye. And he took two off the back of my hand and put those little spot bandages on it. (1:29:01)

And he said, okay. Oh, when he did that, he, the devices that he used to clip the skin, they went into too small a vial by itself and then corked. And that was laid on a little five or eight inch, uh, stainless steel pan. And there were two of them. He did the same thing with the other samples. (1:29:21)

Also he clipped one and clipped two and put those in that second one. And it was just done that way. And he laid it down and he said, oh, he's going to send you back to Colonel Sprecher's office. So I got dressed and I asked him, I said, what about Michael Johnson? Oh, he's okay. (1:29:36)

Don't worry about him. At this particular point, I had started not to worry about him. I thought maybe he's doing better than I'm doing. He's not in here anyway. And, uh, so I went back to Colonel Sprecher's office, reported in the same way. Everybody's back in there again, just as they were prior to. And mind you, about probably three hours had passed. We probably arrived at Ellsworth somewhere right around 10 o'clock that morning. (1:29:59)

So it was around one o'clock in the afternoon now, when I came back to the, to the commander's office from the flight surgeon's office. And, uh, so when I got in there, he starts talking to me and asked me how I felt. And I said, fine. He goes, uh, I need you to write this formal report on everything that's happened and what you saw. (1:30:26)

And is there anything about Michael Johnson you need to tell me? I remember him saying that. He said, don't, don't say anything about Michael Johnson. Basically don't mention it. Is there anything about Michael Johnson you need to tell me? (1:30:35)

And I said, no sir, I don't know him. I said, this is our first tour together. We work in vacation relief. And I even named my team member, because usually I was a team leader, who was gone, who went to North Carolina to get married. So he puts me off in a room by myself with a, with a report form. (1:30:59)

And I thought it was an Air Force form 1000, but that was incorrect. Robert Hastings pointed it out to me. I mean, you do make mistakes in 45 years of memory, but anyway, I don't know what form number it was, but I say, he gave me a number two skill craft pen, and that's, or a skill craft pen. And that's a standard issue government pen. You know yourself, Chris, that you used to use them. (1:31:25)

They were always in the supplies. Am I right or wrong? Yeah, you can unscrew them and... Well, and you can use them to slide your weapon in, you can turn M16. They fit every, every little thing. Take the pens out, anything you got to do with a skill craft pen. It's a magic pen. So it was a ballpoint. (1:31:48)

It had to press really hard because the paperwork he gave me, he gave me, he got three sheets and each, each sheet has got three copies in it. An original with two copies, carbon copies. So, you know, you got to press hard to get the whole thing to transfer through. So I printed, you know, really small and really well. (1:32:05)

And so it took me a couple of hours to print this. And once I finished, then I, then I was taken back out to the commander's office and I put everything in there that I could put in there, except that what I saw is concerning the beings. And, um, the captain Jack Reed from OSI, he had the paperwork and I didn't even know what a non-disclosure agreement was or not to talk about something agreement was, but I was made to understand what would happen if I divulged any of this information to anyone, including whom I was married to. (1:32:44)

And, uh, which was extremely difficult. I mean, it would be, it is for anybody. I can, I really mean, I think you, I think they have a right to know, you know, and share all other aspects of your life. I wouldn't have a right to know, let them sign one too, you know, but anyway, um, so I was pushing on about four o'clock at this time and I was able to call and go home. (1:33:11)

But what I'm trying to say is that when Jack Reed, he handed, uh, Colonel Spraker this paperwork and it was the agreement of not to discuss this in any manner of form with anyone ever, unless anybody, uh, minus the people that are in this room were cleared and of whoever they designated is what it said. I mean, I read it halfway. I was still under the premise that something's going to happen to me because I didn't go, I didn't strike this facility. (1:33:42)

I didn't go to this facility and find out what was, what was, what caused the alarms. How, you know, that was the thinking, that's the way you made it feel. (1:33:47)

Not that, you know, you saw something that was totally off the grid of everything you could ever even imagine at any point in time in your life. And to move through that in time with it is just a, is really a smoke show, really, it honestly is. And, um, it changes you forever. (1:34:16)

And so I went home and I had a deal with that, but immediately just, just relaxing and just trying to, you know, get a grip on what I, what had just happened. It was really strange too, because it was our first day out. Normally I'd have been gone three days, but I was back in on the, you know, on the second day I was gone, that happened all night and I was back home the next day. So that drew curiosity and questions in itself. (1:34:38)

Yeah. What did your wife's, I mean, what was her couple of days like when you were back home? I just, you know, and I had to explain a Band-Aid, three Band-Aids on me and a sunburn. Do you know why they did the gums thing? Did you ever, what are they even looking for? I have no idea. (1:35:03)

I have no idea. I just, that came, I wouldn't believe me when that man snapped that glove on his wrist. I went, Oh no, you know what I mean? You're in the service, you know what, you know what happened from that point on, you're in a flight surgeon's office. It's not a good, it's not a good sound or a sign that a man slaps those damn gloves on. (1:35:18)

So, I finished all of that and I agreed and I signed it and I got home and immediately these dreams just hit me like a slap in the face of pyramids and nuclear explosions, tsunamis, earthquake. I mean, it was just, it was these, I mean, these were in color, they weren't just black and white, you know, wake you up in a full-fledged sweat, man, like what happened? (1:35:56)

And it was, I started writing them down. Yeah, actually, we got a bunch of questions about the dreams. Here's one of them. Let's see, he mentions disasters and dreams, nightmares, have other people after such encounters, like other people after such encounters, does he feel that he was selected to communicate a message to mankind, have these dreams continued? I guess, what are the dreams like, you know, are you in the dreams and an earthquake is happening and, you know, it's you looking out and then there is a nuclear war, there is these terrible disasters. (1:36:33)

It's so real sometimes, like a nuclear explosion that I wrote about, you could feel the heat coming off of it in a dream. Yes, tidal wave, and each time, like I'm standing in direct, in the direct path of whatever is getting ready to happen, and I wake up prior to this line, oh my God, because there's nowhere you can go, there's not one thing you can do to survive it. (1:37:06)

And in your dream, you know it, but in your dream, you're in control, I'm not going to die in my dream, you know. So, do you know you're in a dream when these happen? (1:37:11)

Okay, so it's like... Absolutely. Lucid dreaming, essentially, some sort of lucid dreaming. Must be, I don't know. But man, it's almost at will anymore, though. Itself, not me. So, did the dreams, did they stop or how long did they go on for, if they did? Been going on a very, very long time, still today. Been going on? Yeah. And you know, it's funny to wake up and remember a dream. (1:37:48)

A lot of people can't do that, but it's just something, I guess, over the years I've developed to be able to do that for me, you know. Yeah. So, I guess, yeah, they asked, you know, do you feel that you were selected to communicate a message? Have these dreams continued? So, the dreams have continued to this day. Yeah, they have. (1:38:09)

I don't know, honestly, what the message is. I've not caught on to that part of it yet. But, you know, a lot of people you talk to about certain things and they're like, you know, with all the stress and strife and the political nature of the world today, I don't think I need to broadcast any of the stuff that I see. (1:38:30)

Although I am a prepper, by the way, and you know what that entails. So, I don't know. Something's always pushed me to be able to go beyond, you know, the today's niceties that we have at any point in time. You just don't know how close it could actually be, you know, where your location is, what kind of food supplies you have, water supplies and, you know, security measures and that kind of thing. (1:38:58)

Yeah, we have... when you're back in the car, do you remember if you were having difficulty breathing? When, you know, when you felt... Absolutely, absolutely. Okay. So, it was like literally the air was just totally removed. It was, first of all, the intensity of the light inside that vehicle and around it. This wasn't just something like a flashlight or a Hollywood spotlight beamed at you. (1:39:27)

I've never been in front of a Hollywood spotlight or a really powerful searchlight or anything like that. But this was totally encompassing. Everywhere that my visual acuity could look was illuminated in the same way. But inside of that cab of that truck, it was so bright that it was hard. You couldn't hold your eyes fully open. You had to squint your eyes. (1:39:50)

And then at that same moment, when you're dealing with that thought as to what's causing this and what's happening, all of a sudden you feel like there's almost hands on you from vacuum pulling you up into the top of that cab of that truck and into the back glass. I mean, and mind you, I had my seatbelt on. (1:40:07)

I'm pretty sure and so did he, because we had just arrived. Negative, I wouldn't have my seatbelt on because I'd motioned this thing. I flashed the aluminum black light. So to answer that question, yeah, that affected a great deal on decision making. First, you can't see, then you can't breathe. And you're supposed to be in charge of this whole situation. (1:40:42)

And it's just gone totally foobar in a flash of your life. Why are you still alive? You know, that would be my question. It's like, wouldn't they just get rid of you? You know, why would the aliens even bring you back? Do you think they... Well, I mean, I'm sure that that is up to them completely. There's nothing that we can do to change that. (1:41:09)

I guess maybe they're a type of a race that has different needs for another life form. (1:41:13)

But yet has a respect for other life forms to maybe look at it like we do, you know, a rabbit in a lab or a mouse in a lab, and then return it back to either in the lab or put it outside in the bushes and let it roam free. I don't know. And yeah, this again, you know, this being you said was quite intimidating. (1:41:47)

The size and it was just so different, I guess. Can you describe why it was different? I've heard insect mentioned, like insectoids or something. Could be. That's what Robert Hastings and I think could be some type of an insectoid or something like that. But it didn't have the skin texture of that from what I could see in the facial features. (1:42:11)

Now, the facial features on the three small guys, their skin was smooth and almost shiny, like not plastic, but something like that texture. Or I didn't feel the faces. I'm just saying what it looked like from a distance. Their faces did not seem to be dulled out. They seemed to be bright and very smooth. And the tall one behind them seemed to be rougher and old, you know, like either insect, like either insectoid, I guess you'd call it, or even a reptilian, I guess. (1:42:48)

And the hands, you said they were different. Yeah, those hands were very different. Very different. So it's not like our normal jointed hands. No. I tried to draw that out, but from the elbow up to that wrist area, that area was really large, like a calf muscle would be in your leg for some reason. (1:43:15)

And then the hands were, you know, that's not a really good depiction, but it's as close as I could get. I think there were only three fingers. And then the other part of that thumb was, I guess, or some kind of an appendage was on the backside. I can't remember that. So like, almost like claws, kind of, sort of. Something, but it had, you know, it had a thumb on the inside. (1:43:38)

So I'm sure, even though it was shaped like that, it has some type of control. I mean, these beings are so far advanced of us, man. It is just incomprehensible, regardless of what they look like, internal, external, what they do. I mean, they've been doing it so much longer than we have, that it is unfathomable to us that a life form, you know, could be this old. (1:44:03)

And the technologies that they've derived from other elements or that we know of, or other ways and means to gain power to traverse where they're going is just phenomenal. Because that graph was no joke, man. There was so much energy there. You could probably power this planet off that one ship. That was in my, I mean, looking back at it now, what I know now, that thing was just indescribable. (1:44:29)

And what is this? You drew a little shoulder. (1:44:36)

It was like an epaulette or something that was around that, on that shoulder top part. You know, I know it looks kind of strange for how would something else, you know, not dress as we do, but yet have a decoration for a shoulder or something on the chest. I mean, it's got to be for identification, I guess, within its own, within their own species. I don't know. (1:45:00)

Excuse me? What was this uniform? Was it different? It looks green or something. It was black also, but they were dark. Both were dark. You know, the small guys and the, and the bigger guy, it was more like a charcoal gray, dark black, to the best of my knowledge. And then this thing, was it pulsing? You said it's a, you said it's the same color. (1:45:29)

Yeah, same color as the tip of that one right there. And it just stayed on. And, you know, it was probably when I first saw their silhouettes is when I first heard Do Not Fear. And it's in the way Do Not Fear is put in your body. It is so clear that you can't even, you can't even, you've never heard a stereo system play that way, or I don't care, banging on some $10,000 earbuds, you know, don't even come close to the way this sound is put in you. You know, if somebody had been speaking to you like this all your life, it would be, it would just be unreal to know the knowledge that you would know, because you hear every word, and you hear everything. (1:46:32)

Like never before, there was no sound in the background blocking out anything that I heard. That Do Not Fear was probably the clearest ice boulder I've ever heard in my absolute life. And I heard it more than once and later found out that Michael Johnson heard it also. And as I said, there's no, there's no verbal speak there. There's no sound there. It's just in you. (1:46:55)

I don't know where it comes from. I don't know if it's coming from the middle part of your body from the head down. I don't. It's just you're, you're like, all of a sudden, you're a receiver. And you just turn into like an antenna or whatever they're broadcasting. And did it, did it make you fear less or fear more? Yeah, it did calm me. It did calm me. Yes, sir, it did. (1:47:16)

It did help. It immediately, it took just the suspense of, hey, how do you, what do you think is coming next? You've been through all this. And all this happened in just a fraction of a minute. You know, from arriving to climbing out that window, to sliding down in that seat, to being sucked in the back of that cab of that truck, pressure, can't breathe, look to your right or look straight ahead. There's a big ball bouncing out there. (1:47:43)

You don't know what that is. I've seen one before, never heard of one before. What, what is it? (1:47:48)

And then you start to pass out and your partner's lit up like a, like a, a blast behind or something. You look out the right window and you've got these never seen before beings from somewhere else strolling toward you. And you're trying to, you're trying to think about this. My partner, he is frozen to that steering wheel. I mean, the last thing that I would ever do would have been to raise my weapon. (1:48:18)

That'd have been the stupidest thing that a human being on this planet could have ever done. And I didn't want to be that stupid, that stupid person. I don't even think I could. What am I talking about? I don't think I could, I couldn't have used it if I had to. There's just that much power put on your physical presence that it is just overwhelming to, uh, to try to comprehend and to deal with. (1:48:47)

And, and the smell of iodine, I'm gonna tell you that, that smell, you can hit me with that anywhere, anywhere, at any time. And you have my complete attention because they smell like iodine. Well, yeah, just like Virginia. Um, on the face, you know, in the large being, can you, because it seems like, you know, gray's pretty common, you know, or at least we've heard many descriptions. What, how would you describe this thing? You know, are these, were these eyes different, quite different? They had a more, uh, they didn't have a big oval. (1:49:32)

They had more of a diamond shape. Uh, that's what I try to portray in that on this right eye, it was straight angles. And then it, it went up over and encircled at the top of the eyelid itself and the eye. And, but it's pupils were very, very large, real large. I see. So these are like big pupils. Yeah. Yeah. Their pupils are very large. (1:50:00)

You know, I didn't draw this until after a certain period of time. I kind of worked on different parts of it at the time, you know, but the eye and the mouth, and you see that mouth. I mean, I never saw them open a mouth, but they had a mouth. (1:50:19)

So this, yeah, it, it, what did it look like? So they had a large nose here, or was there a nose or just... It was protrusions, but it was like two small protrusions in the slits. It wasn't a nose. It just stuck out like a big nose. It wasn't like that at all, but it was just too, it was too small protrusions. (1:50:37)

And then they were, you know, from what I could tell. Oh, and are these ears or something? Did it have some sort of... That area of the eyes is real sunk in, kind of like the face of what an owl would be. I don't know if you've seen where an owl's eyes are located. They're kind of sunk in, you know, and, and that's really what I concentrated on. (1:51:02)

When I saw that, I didn't even know how to, how to process that at all. And it was just... No hair, I guess, and the color was the same? Its color was a little more grayish brownish or something like that, perhaps. As I said, you know, you're talking one o'clock in the morning, you know, 90% of that body was covered up, but the face looked like a color of a, maybe of a dark gray, like a gray leather interior or something like that, like a darker gray, like this computer gray kind of look. (1:51:54)

And did you see him, you saw him moving, right? Did they like move their arms as they walked? (1:52:02)

Yeah, as they're walking? Never looked, you know, sometimes when you walk as a group, you know, you or I are friends who walk and you look left or right. They never veered off of coming to the side of that truck. They looked straight ahead the entire time that I saw them before I went out. Just came straight and they were just, they were just moving. (1:52:27)

And I don't know if they were walking, if they were sliding above the ground. I don't, I honestly don't know, but they just kept coming. And then I just, I would just, I would just gone. This is another thing, you know, was it clear to you at the time? I think so. Cause you mentioned it, was it clear to you at the time or later in life that the larger being was in charge of the small and be smaller beings or did they appear to be equals? (1:52:51)

No, it was all, I always knew that the one behind was the one in charge. You could just tell. You can feel it. How tall was that guy? Between five and a half and six feet. So he was a whole, that's how I could see the, that breast thing on him. (1:53:15)

He was a whole chest higher, like right here. He was a whole chest higher than the, than the three that were in front of them. And he was about four feet behind, three or four feet behind him. What I saw, how I saw it, that's what it appeared like to me. This is a questionnaire. Was the orb globe, you saw a solid sphere or diffuse energy field? (1:53:35)

I guess around the smaller object, you know, you mentioned, we talked about a little bit that it's shaped like a sphere and it has like those radiator vent lines on it. Oh, you're talking about the object. Okay. The orb or globe. No, it was a solid object and it was a, you know, a hard exterior, but it was extremely energetic is a good word for that. That thing bounced around like it weighed nothing. (1:54:04)

Now, and I was an avid tennis player, so I have kind of have an idea about a bouncing ball, but I've never seen anything move like that in that short period of time. And then just out of our sight, it was as if it was there, I don't know if it was analyzing us or what it was doing, but it was just there, came out of nowhere, literally at a, but suddenly it was just there, you know, the light super bright in the vehicle getting sucked back and there's this black thing sitting in front of the vehicle. (1:54:34)

And it was, it was partially lit up. If you can picture this, you know, by the immense amount of light, it was lighting it up. That's how I saw like those vents in the thing. And it just, and it would just chew, chew, chew. It was like, it got right in front of Michael Johnson. It got right in front of me. (1:54:52)

It got, it went up above. I could just see a portion of it through the windshield, upper part of the windshield. Then it was over to the right, over to the left. And then it was no more. If it was still there, it was behind us. It was out of our field of view or my field of view. (1:55:08)

But that's pretty much a configuration in that second picture. And again, the one on the left, you know, the size of the object itself, it's just hard. I wish I had another better way of measuring that than saying that it was the size of a super Walmart building. Walmart, that's what I look at. (1:55:27)

And, you know, when I was there in, um, filming with that Discovery Plus, we were there in June of last year, year before last. Thank you. And, um, when I went and they took me to the site where I knew it was, and as I said, again, they, uh, they wouldn't film the exact property of where November 5th sits because the rancher owns it and he's built a building on it. (1:55:52)

They didn't want to interact with him or photograph his building without his permission and all that. And I understand that, but it kind of took something away because we went about 50 yards, uh, down the road on the left. So that would have been, uh, Westford of November 5th and just looked at an open field next November 5th, about 50 yards away. (1:56:12)

And I, I thought that that really got me, but the trying moment there was when I had, I had these drawings with me and, um, the, uh, the host, Richard Emberlin, really good guy, you know, he's ex-police officer, detective and stuff. And he's out of Houston. Um, he had me hold my drawings up. (1:56:40)

And when I did, man, it just, it just took me into that time, you know, even though I wasn't standing right on the missile site, I wanted to stand right where I, right where our vehicle was parked. I wanted to go back and do that, but we didn't get a chance to. That bothers me today. (1:56:54)

I wish I would have done it anyway. I just told him to take me back, you know? So when I held that, when I held that thing up and started looking, because I knew where that craft was positioned in the sky over that blast door. I mean, it was larger than the entire site, but rolling up to it, okay, 50 yards shy of it, where I was now standing, it just overwhelmed me. (1:57:22)

And it was as if at any moment it would pop back through the sky, like come in there through, through a portal or something, just appear. Of course it didn't, but it just overwhelmed me, I guess, and just the location and everything kind of, it really got to me bad. So, so do you, were you aware of anything else happening out there? You know, were there other incidents at November 5th? Did the, were the missiles shut off for instance? Or, you know, they were shut off in our Air Force Base. Do you know if that happened or any other indications on what actually happened there? I mean, that particular night? Yes, or any other night, I guess. (1:58:15)

You're asking, was there anything else that happened? Is that what you mean? Yes, yeah, I guess anything else weird happened that night. For instance, were the missiles shut off? They were shut off in previous instances with Bob Salas. They say they have large, yeah, large orange orbs above their missile silos. You know, I don't remember them being that large, but they said the same thing. And then their missile, their actual missiles were taken offline. (1:58:39)

Yeah, he had 10 missiles go down all at the same time, just pop, pop, pop, pop, pop right offline. And yeah, they had a craft out over their fence line. Now, there should have been six security police officers there, fully armed and everything. You had a flight man, or excuse me, a facility manager, your cook, and you had two off-duty officers. (1:59:04)

So, he and his commanding officer were down below ground. Now, that's what happened to him. And that was in 66 or 67. I'm not sure, which I don't know how long they were out for. I'm not sure. I'm not either. But what we had November 5 was a simple alarm. Well, it wasn't a simple alarm. It was an outer and inner zone penetration. So, we had to respond to that. Don't know if the missile was offline. (1:59:31)

Now, the alarm is what set us in motion by direction of our launch control team, because that's what our job is, to respond to find out why these things are an alarm or what caused the alarm. And sometimes when you go back to that standboard evaluation sheet, they might be doing a random on you, and they might be out there underground on a soft support building where you have to go downstairs, you know, and check this diesel powered building room where the dehumidifier and the electrical generator stands by in case power's cut to that site. (2:00:05)

So, that was another thing. All these sites that went offline, you still had a standalone generator out there that automatically kicks in. And I think a lot of times during these sightings and stuff, even that would not function. I've been told, but I don't know. (2:00:20)

So, November 5, you know, that's what happened. I don't know. It went offline. It was just a simple alarm. It was an alarm, a SIF-4, outer and inner zone penetration, and that's what we were sent to respond to. But that had happened in the past where, and not just that, but all of a sudden, a missile, a random missile, will start processing itself to launch. (2:00:46)

It'll just go into an automatic countdown, and they can't stop it. So, sometimes when it gets down to crunch time, we had a little SOP. They would deploy us immediately in an F-154 pickup truck, where we would haul out to that affected missile, drive our pickup truck up on top of the blast door, put it in neutral, grab your stuff, and get off the site on foot. (2:01:15)

And that was in hopes that if, you know, with conventional explosion, the blast door is going to blow away. It's going to open up that silo in a flash. I mean, that 13-ton blast door goes a quarter mile the opposite direction that far. And in hopes was that when that door blasted out from underneath that vehicle, that the vehicle would just simply fall down on top of the rocket, mess up the gyro, and just cause itself to go off course and crash. (2:01:45)

So, you would haul off the site and have to be over a mile away and set up an ECP and not let anybody else come through that area on that road. That was a standard thing, you know. Yeah, that's an entry control point, right? ECP is an entry control point. Yeah, that's correct. So, that happened several times with me and teams that I was on. It happened quite a bit. (2:02:11)

They would just cycle themselves to launch, you know, and then they would stop at the last few seconds and they would do all kinds of measures. We were kind of like a last stop effort, you know, that if it did launch us, this is what could happen. We had something that would stop it. Throw a wrench on the top. Just throw a wrench at it. (2:02:31)

I always thought, well, we can shoot them down. Well, we can just blast the site, you know. If the thing comes out of the ground, just blast it because it wouldn't set off a nuclear explosion. It would just be a conventional and the fuel, you know. Yeah, just blow it up. Did you have issues with radiation fallout? Well, there wouldn't be. It'd be sealed. (2:02:52)

There would be no new nuclear implosion at all. Okay. So, let me get back to what we were talking about earlier. So, after everything was said and done and I get home and I start having these wicked damn dreams and they really bother me. And I still don't go to anybody because you start going to medical help, you know. (2:03:16)

Say, oh, I'm having this. Next thing you know, you're on that program. You're done, man. As a cop, you're done. So, just suck it up, buttercup. You just got to go with it, you know. I had the same, I mean, basic same experience. (2:03:26)

You know, I wasn't going to go to mental health. I mean, you... Wow. They say they're, you know, every... it's documented. You know, they say, we'll help you, of course, but you talk to them, they document it and it goes to your commander. So... That's right. Yeah. Yeah, it's... that's terrible. You get on... and you get on that side of the list, you get in that area, man, it never stops. Like, then it's always something else. (2:03:56)

Yeah, forever. Yeah. I'm telling you, it took a while, but it happened. So, anyway, I guess about 10 or 12 days later, no, yeah, I'd say that. I'd honestly been thinking about Michael Johnson, you know, what happened to him? I don't have any idea how to get in touch with him. (2:04:16)

I'm sure he lives in the barracks, but, you know, I got that whole week off, which I had to explain everything and the best I could to you know who and, um, and try to get my mind right, you know, and all of a sudden I heard a knock on my door and I opened the door and Michael Johnson was standing there. (2:04:36)

We lived in an apartment, it's called Hainsway Apartments at the time, and they were like an inner hotel kind of an apartment complex. I guess from cold, you know, you walk down the main hallway, it's enclosed inside of a building to get to your, your apartment. And, uh, he'd had some guys back in the barracks where I lived and they told him and he came up, borrowed somebody's car and he drove out to see me. (2:04:57)

And, uh, he came in and I was just glad. I said, man, I said, you're talking. I said, you feeling all right? You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm feeling fine. I said, you know, what happened? You know, what happened to you? You know, it was, I don't know. (2:05:14)

I was fine. I was fine. And I said, no, you weren't fine, man. I said, you were like aware or awake with your eyes open and really, but man, you were, you were out to lunch, man. I don't know how to tell you this, but you don't know what it took to get your hands off the steering wheel. (2:05:31)

And that was, uh, Sergeant Garza and myself did that. I said, I don't even know what to say. And then he goes, he looked at his head at me. He goes, you hear, did you hear like that? And I went, what? And he said, close to me, kind of looked over because my wife was not far away. He goes, do not fear. And I just flushed with, I said, yeah, I heard that. (2:05:53)

And I said, I didn't know what you did or could, you know? So that's when she kind of found out what had happened. I'm not even sure if she believed it then, but, um, we sat for the next hour and a half or so. And we drew pictures. I sat at the, I sat at the, uh, couch and the coffee table and put him at the dining room table. (2:06:16)

I believe it could have been the opposite way, but I think that's what we did. And he drew the same kind of craft. He wrote down some things and what he saw and what he felt. (2:06:26)

I don't know what, uh, what he went through as far as medical. He didn't tell me. He didn't, he didn't say anything about that at all. Told me he was from Chicago and his family was from Chicago. And, uh, he gave me his name and his parents' address and I put them in my Bible. I know I did, but I can't find it today or I couldn't find it when I went to Korea and went through everything that I've been through. (2:06:54)

Things that, you know, what's that song, John Prine sings about memories, you know, or things that you had in the past or something. But, uh... What was his account? Was it different from yours? Did he remember when he's just frozen? He remembered the craft. He remembered the size of the craft. He, you know, he heard, do not fear, do not fear. He saw the, you know, the black circle sphere. (2:07:18)

He didn't mention it. He had to have, yeah. I mean, we were just talking so much. And of course we were having questions thrown at us also. And, uh, the drawing just blew my mind, but at the very end of it, you know, I offered him something to drink and what have you. He goes, do you have, he goes, I saw your glove on the shining floor. (2:07:48)

And I said, you did what? And he goes, I saw your glove on a shiny floor. I said, what do you mean on a shiny floor, Michael? I said, an F-154 pickup truck's got a black, got, has black rubber mats in it. He goes, no, he goes, I saw your glove on a shiny floor. So I just got up off the couch and I just walked in my bedroom and I grabbed my ditty bag. (2:08:15)

And mind you, I'd only probably been out in the field one time since, or maybe two times since this whole thing happened. I said, this is like 14, 18 days later when he comes to my front door, I happen to be off. And, uh, so I just unzipped my ditty bag and his underwear, shirts, socks, everything in there, toiletries, everything you carry, radio, everything. (2:08:41)

And I emptied everything and there's my left-hand glove, but through everything that I searched for, I could not find the right-hand glove. It was gone. So that left a big hole in the entire understanding of what had happened. You know, then we talked further and he said, um, asked where we were. And, um, he said, you know, where were we? And I said, we're in the backside of New Lake Reservoir at a dam. He goes, well, where the hell is that? (2:09:14)

And, um, so after we, you know, set our cordials and everything, you know, and, uh, I had his information and I'd given him what mine was, you know, there in Rapid City, he was there also. And, um, he went his way and that's the last time I ever saw him. (2:09:38)

And, uh, I didn't hear from him anymore. And then about seven months later, I received, uh, orders to go to Korea and, uh, I was unaccompanied and, uh, you could volunteer for a two-year tour. If you could take your spouse, I believe. So I went to my commander, Colonel Sprankler and I said, uh, you know, I got a special favor to ask. (2:10:05)

You think I can extend and go for two years instead of one year so I can take my spouse? And he said, no, you're going remote. You're going remote. And I, I didn't even know how to rebuttal him, you know, I mean, just to, even though I made NCO in, uh, 78 there, I, I, uh, as a sergeant, I didn't, or at 77, I didn't know how to rebuttal, you know, a Fulbright Colonel. And, uh, even though I was, you know, I was newly married at the time, you know. (2:10:36)

So, um, do you think it was on purpose or retribution? I do. No, I think, I think it was. Everything changed that day. Everything changed that day. From that time forward, I never went back to November control. They sent me to Kilo control, separated me from my original partner that left to get married. (2:11:01)

And, um, I worked with a guy there named Mark Wade and he outran me by two or three months. And, uh, so I was always his team member when we'd go out there, but we worked in Kilo, which is the next site over from November. That's a sister, it's a sister, uh, site. (2:11:20)

So as, as it's called. And, uh, so I was there until I, uh, left and, uh, ended up going overseas. So went over there 79 and 80, came back in 80. And I got out in 83. I went to work for the Department of Energy, uh, as a security inspector. Yeah. This is one of the questions. How has, how has this UFO encounter affected your life and career? (2:11:40)

Have you faced any challenges or skepticism from others due to your experience and testimony? So it seems like that was one, you know, right away. Yeah. Cause I went to Korea remote as well. That's why you were at Osan also? I went to Kunsan actually. Kunsan as well. Okay. Yes. Kunsan didn't have any, uh, chance. Sorry. Didn't have any chance to bring your family. (2:12:02)

That's fine. Even though people did, uh, I guess it's more common now. Yeah. I know a guy named Jack Brewer that went over there before I did and he lost his mind, you know, first time he'd ever been away. And I guess he got into some yo-bos or something like that. And boy, he just, he lost everything, had a nice family and stuff and just blew it all up. (2:12:24)

Uh, yeah, this has affected me, uh, all my life. And the only way around it was not to talk about it. So with the, uh, application or acute clearance with the Department of Energy, uh, to work at a USDOE site in the weapons, in the nuclear weapons complexes, uh, I never divulged anything of that NDA that I signed while in the air force, but they were, they had, they had evidence of it. (2:12:55)

So they always asked me questions surrounding it to see what I would answer or what I wouldn't answer. And, you know, usually once you get a clearance, you know, it's good for five years, but they can do randoms on you. And in my first five years, they ran two more clearances on me. (2:13:14)

And in my second five years, uh, and, and at a different site at the Y-12 site in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, that's a very interesting place. Um, they did two on me while I was there also in, in five years, which that's a lot of re-verification of a Yeah. People don't know how much, how painful that is. I mean, it's so painful. (2:13:32)

It took eight months and yeah. A hundred and fifty pages of all your documents, everyone, you know, they're social and then. But they would, you know, they bring in like to the Oak Ridge, like the, like the, uh, governing office there in Oak Ridge. And then you'd have nothing but OPM personnel there or DOE and security officers of DOE, and they would, um, question you. (2:13:56)

And they always hit on the parameters of this whole incident, but then they wouldn't, and they wanted me to answer, but I wouldn't do it because as soon as I said something, what I saw in my right window, you're out of a job, you know, you just, it's just that simple. So you just have to learn to be guarded, you know? So yeah, you can make a mistake like a mag light, you know, but, uh, you don't make mistakes in that, in that part of this whole thing. (2:14:20)

You know, that's the, my clearance to speak for themselves. Did you ask Michael Johnson? Did he mention anything about the beings? You know, yeah, he heard them. He didn't see them as far as I know, but he heard them. He just kept hearing, do not fear, do not fear. Now, I don't know what later transpired with him as far as if he's been in any hypnosis or anything. (2:14:40)

I mean, we've been looking for him for a long time and not just me, but like my first contact, uh, of course with MUFON. I did not ever acknowledge any part of this until after 96, when I was no longer, uh, affected by IQ clearance within Department of Energy. That's the year that I left and moved down to Georgia, but I haven't had a clearance since then. (2:15:04)

So that's how I could freely, openly talk about it. After I was out, I would never talk about it. It was only one person I ever spoke with and he's a personal friend of mine. And, uh, and I spoke to him about it at a general lecture. Had to talk to somebody, you know, my wife didn't even know, not till 95 when I told her. (2:15:25)

So that's just the way you have to be. You gotta, you just have to hold it until you're out of the, you know, out of the reach, you know, of what the government could do to you and affect your life. Not saying they just grab you and throw you in jail for something, but, you know, it can, based on what you tell them, you see, you know, they can make some pretty hard decisions on your livelihood. (2:15:47)

Yeah. I mean, just taking away that, that Q clearance would have removed you from your, your career field. So you'd have to cross train. You would have lost all your promotions, you know, money, name it. I mean, really, it's just like a do-over, a do-over, you know, that kind of thing. (2:16:12)

It's very difficult. So that's why I never, I never divulged it. And then in, I guess in 97, I wrote move on three different times in about four months. I had my first computer is 95. I think when I first started coming out and, uh, I have a first computer and they were one of the first people that I composed anything with an email to, you know, and had a startup router. (2:16:39)

Do you remember those? And, and send them some emails, but I didn't get anything back from them. I did get an acknowledgement back one time, but nothing else for a long time. (2:16:44)

And then, uh, I think it was 2014. I wrote Linda Moulton Howe and, uh, told her, wrote the whole thing out. And she had a guy working for her there in New Mexico, as she had gone to the East coast, like the New York for something, one of her kids. So this guy was leaving her employment and he, he downloads the, uh, the email that I sent, puts it in a file cabinet in a file. (2:17:10)

And then he, he leaves, he leaves her employment. And, uh, so this file cabinet kind of became not used and set off in a corner and that kind of thing. And then it was about two years ago, I get this call from Linda Moulton Howe. And she says, asked me who I was. And I told her, she goes, my God, she goes, you sent me an email, you know, like 2014. She goes, I had a guy working for me that, you know, that left and went elsewhere, but he downloaded this and put it in a file in this file cabinet. (2:17:46)

And I just found it. I went, you're kidding me. I just thought you weren't interested, you know, because, uh, at the time that I was out there, she was investigating cattle mutilations. And, uh, it was a big thing as not to speak to her as she'd come out there, no matter what you'd seen UFOs or cattle mutilations, saw two before with a partner at each time, Mark Wade was one of them. (2:18:15)

And, uh, it's really, really strange. That's all I can say. But, uh, so what about those, uh, those encounters with the two, you saw two cattle mutilations? Yes, that's correct. When and where? Uh, well, this was in the Kilo area. So this would be up by the, uh, Belfouche area. Uh, it was a corner and then there was a missile site. (2:18:35)

The road ran, it was like a four-way intersection, clay roads, once again, and over on the left-hand side of the road was a missile site. And on the right side of the corner, prior to the missile site, there was a small little cattle management area, like a little, like a corral that was probably 50 by 50 yards. And there, I had noticed there was a bunch of cattle in there, but there were two cattle that were mutilated right in the middle. (2:19:00)

And all these people were standing around, like it was a ranch owner, or maybe he wanted his hands, or I'm not sure, but a, uh, uh, deputy sheriff was there. And then somebody else came, but I don't know who they were. And as we rode by, you know, I said, I wonder what's going on over there. (2:19:16)

So I thought maybe we could help. So we stopped and I walked up there. He kind of marked, kind of stayed behind. And I said, uh, anything we can do to help, you know? And, uh, he said, no, no, unless you know how, how these cattle were mutilated. (2:19:27)

And I went, oh, I'd never heard of that or seen that before. And I'm just 23, 24 years old. I think I was about 23 when that happened. Yeah. So that was all new to me, but I did, we did have a cat. And, um, at one point we're in Rapid City at the veterinarian's office and, uh, I just asked the veterinarian, I said, have you ever seen any cattle mutilations? He said, oh yeah. (2:19:51)

He said, I don't know what's doing it or who's doing it. He said, but their abilities far, far make our abilities seem very, very short. So what did you see? The first, sorry, the first cattle mutilation, what, how did you know it was a mutilation? Well, just from the, just from the way the cuts were made and that's what they were talking about. (2:20:18)

I mean, the eye control cuts around the entire eyes and, and well, actually back eyeball taken out parts of the tongue from the backside of the tongue were removed all in the rear end of the anus area of the cattle that is opened up and gone into. Now what, I don't know what a world and no blood anywhere, no blood, all blood. That's not on the ground. (2:20:42)

It's not on the cattle. You know, it's just no blood. There's no blood in them. Blood was completely removed from the animal. There was no blood in the animal. Wow. Yeah. And you saw that. That's what you saw. I saw that. Yeah. Wow. And what was the other one? The second one similar? It was, it was a calf on the side of the road. (2:21:02)

Okay. And another guy, I guess they had recovered their calf or something. We're going to, he was like, you know, you see these ranchers are out there and ranch hands and so forth. You see him on pickup trucks or you see him on horses sometimes. And, uh, he said, he don't know what he said. I don't know what got ahold of this thing, but it, it is, there's such precise cuts. (2:21:22)

He said, I couldn't do anything like this. He said, I don't know any doctor could do anything like this. And I said, well, we saw one of these before by Belfouche. And I said, um, I don't know what they did with those. I said, but there were two of them. And, uh, he said, I've never seen anything like this in my life. (2:21:42)

So I guess he, we went on and left, but I don't know who he was waiting on. Somebody else was coming out there to see this, this steer, you know, is that in that same, is that in South Dakota? That's correct. It's, uh, North, uh, North of Newell and to the West. Okay. Oh, excellent. And so you did hypnosis sessions, I guess. When and how many of those have you done? (2:22:04)

I've done two total. Dr. Bob Upton was, uh, he's from Mufon. He hypnotized me back in, I want to say 2018, 2017. And, uh, I had a lot of fear going into it and he had a way that kind of helped me help ease me through it, but, uh, it was difficult. And that's where I learned of, recall the smell, uh, what these beings look like. (2:22:35)

The area of the shiny floor was some type of an examination area room. And Michael and I were both in that room, but we were opposite positions, like my head here, his head there, but not being able to see each other over from each other and something in between us. And, uh, I don't know if I was, uh, fully clothed and then I was in, I mean, these things are just coming at you. (2:23:11)

Then, uh, I was in something like a, uh, a gel or some type of a solution and it was completely dark. (2:23:19)

And I was up to like this in this solution, whatever it was that I said, I don't know about those or not. And that was probably one of the most frightening things of my, in my life. And then I was back in some kind of lit up area that even though the walls were like had symbols and stuff on it of some type. (2:23:56)

I don't really know what, I think I could draw a couple of those, but when you, if you touch the walls, they would, uh, like a plasma screen would, would wave with, you know, like, I don't know what its function was. It was as if it was alive the whole day going inside of that place. Everything was energized. Everything you looked at had a function. (2:24:20)

It was nothing like the top of a desk sitting over there. Everything, everything was lit up. Everything was, I did something. How does it work with hypnosis? You know, when you say, you know, where you feel like you're back there, or is it like a dream? How does it work when you're getting these images or when you get the smell or the sense of smell? Is it like a memory returning? (2:24:42)

Well, it's as if you're put into a state of mind, in my opinion, I never thought I could be hypnotized, but everybody says that. It's as if you're in the area of sleep and not sleep. It's not power of suggestion, but I guess you're kind of being guided by these people that are good at what they do and somehow take you to a place where you can go into a particular area of an occurrence. (2:25:20)

It's not a dream. It's an occurrence. So you're going to go back and go into that particular memory and try to remember everything you can see in that memory. And it reveals quite a bit, you know, you don't even know that you don't even know it's there. Is that where this image? Yes, that and several others. Yes, you drew this. (2:25:45)

Is this when you feel like you're in some sort of... Yeah, I drew that and it was kind of quick and I was running out of paper, and that would really represent one of the smaller beings that were standing next to us or next to me. The fingers are very long. They're not like anything. You don't even know see how they can move them. Could you tell them apart or, you know, recognize them? (2:26:08)

No, the only thing was like the one had that rod in his belt, but I didn't see that one again. You know, the ones that were in this room, you know, well, I don't know if they were assigned just that or what the other three were assigned for. I think everybody had different jobs. So is this where, you know, you're laying this way and Michael Johnson's laying the other way? (2:26:30)

Correct. His head would be over next to mine, but in a position that I couldn't see him. (2:26:36)

So it's like here, but going the other way. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Over here. I see. And how many beings were in the room with you? I want to say four to five at one time. And one was one of the tall ones that I felt very afraid of. (2:27:02)

And then another one in my second hypnosis session came in and it was a female and she relaxed me in some way. So how could you tell it was a female? I'm not visually, just knew it. Is this through telepathic communication? Were they communicating with you? I don't know. I just knew it was a female. I knew it wasn't a male because the male was rare. (2:27:21)

I don't know. He was very quick movement, not friendly, just unnerved by anything, just grabbed hold, like he grabbed hold of my right arm and just hoisted it and held it, you know, and it was doing something inside my right wrist. And just not, not gentle at all, but the other one wasn't like that. And still, there was one of the was between my head and Michael Johnson's head, which had been on my left over my shoulder. (2:28:04)

I couldn't see him because he'd be facing the opposite direction lengthwise. Yeah. His head's here going that way. Yes. That's correct. Okay. So you basically, you could move your eyes around. You could look around. You could do that. Yeah. But it was like in and out, you know, it's like things would get foggy and then things would get clear and there was different things going on at the same time, like in that second one, I remember something across my part of my waist and it was medical looking of some type. And I don't know, but they, both the tall ones are working on me in that area. (2:28:44)

Yeah. Working on you. So you don't know what they were doing, I guess. No. Any tools or anything that you remember? Yeah, but they were, they weren't laying on a bench or anything. They would just, they would just reach up and you wouldn't see them hanging, but they just reach up and have something in their hand. (2:29:07)

How they did that, I don't know. Just reach up and grab something, I guess, and use that. It didn't have a tube. It was just, it's indescribable. I mean, you don't even, you can't even see anything like this or haven't seen anything like this, even on some of these Marvel movies, you know, you know how good they can do that CGI stuff. There's none of them are there yet. (2:29:28)

None of them have depicted that yet, but everything that you've seen, it's still not, it's not that accurate in my view. Accurate is in the ship and just how everything moves and looks and... Yeah. And the items that are within it, you know, we try to put everything in human terms as we would expect, but that's not the way these people or beings are. (2:29:52)

They're completely different. They don't build or design anything like we do. Maybe they did a million years ago in their past. I don't know. But they're so advanced that I can't even, I don't even know how to say what about them, you know? Well, they brought you back and you're still here. (2:30:26)

Yeah, that's right. So, I guess, you know, it could have been different. Yeah, wouldn't that be something? So, was I in the wrong place at the right time or the right place at the wrong time? I guess that's how you say it. Opposite or. I guess, do you have any feelings on their motives at all or intentions? Do you get any feeling from interacting with them or communicating with them? (2:30:56)

I don't know. I guess all medical. I guess they were trying to find out, you know, who was it and why did this individual happen to see us and flash a light at us? So, they came to find me. That's what Robert Hastings told me. He said, well, you know, they didn't seek you out. You sought them out. (2:31:16)

And I didn't even think about that until he said it, you know? So, maybe they were just trying to find out who recognized them and who was at the other end of that flashlight, I guess. Wow. Amazing stuff. Let's see if we have any other... Two and a half hours. There we go. It's pretty good. So, what's your take on all this recent, this disclosure? You know, I put out a tweet today saying, asking, you know, I said old timers, you know, is this the same as the past or different? (2:31:50)

And I had most of the people write that it's definitely different, that it feels different now. Well, that's because they're talking to you. And they're not only talking to you, but they're, you know, reporting, you know, that people are talking to them, which is not something that was done in blue book nor ever publicized. You know, my interview went a long time. (2:32:14)

It's a long time spent on the phone, four hours and 19 minutes. And really, I just feel as if they just got the, you know, everything which I just told you, maybe in a little different time span, I don't know. But I was as thorough as I could possibly be with every facet of this. I didn't speak about hypnosis, and they didn't want to know about it. (2:32:35)

They, I don't think they recognize that as anything. And many don't. It's just for the individuals, the way I feel about it. And I know what I felt, what I saw. And it just confirms what I felt, what I've seen. That's all. Well, and you saw the beings before without hypnosis. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. (2:32:58)

Yeah. So that's imprinted on me, you know, and, and that feeling of going through my body was just the strangest thing I've had at one other time. What was that time? Living in an apartment, right? Not too long afterwards. I was just laying on my side, and I just started dreaming. (2:33:22)

And the next thing I know, I went straight out of my body up to the ceiling. And there was a renovated church, and there were beams all up in the ceiling, like just big, big beams, right? And I was all up in those beams. And I looked down, and my cat was sleeping on the couch on the first floor, because it was built like an A-frame. And the cat never knew I was up there. (2:33:43)

And all of a sudden, I looked at myself, and I said, I'm so sleeping. And I went, well, how do I get back? And I took a big breath, and I sat up in my bed, and I looked straight up to where I was, you know? That was like the strangest thing, but there was a cord connected to me. (2:34:01)

Like right at my navel, there was a hair-like cord connected to me. And I, and I was looking at my belly button, man, I was like, what the hell was that? You know, what kind of dream was that, you know? So anyway, yeah, it's, it plays on, you know, years and years and years. (2:34:18)

You know, we finally started talking about this, and concerning all of everything that's been discussed here recently, I'm really amazed that it's kind of gotten the energy that it's gotten right now. But there's a lot of people that want to know, and I'm one of them. And even though I know what I saw and what I experienced, if we've had stuff for 90 years, which they're claiming, I mean, why do we have sickness? Why do we have problems with energy production? (2:34:52)

Why do we have, you know, any, any kind of problems at all? Because this technology covers everywhere we want to go, whether it be space travel, whether it be medicinal, I mean, whether, whatever the information is, whatever can be gleaned. I mean, think of just the componentry alone that are in these control systems, let alone the power source. What are the sensor arrays like? (2:35:18)

You know, what are the power generators? What does their electromagnetic pulse engines do? I mean, these are some of the things that have been named, you know, like Bob Lazar named a few of those things. I mean, imagine he worked with a power source that he said was not mechanically put together. It was grown. (2:35:43)

It was soft, like, like a, like a leather or something on the outside. What kind of, what kind of power source could that possibly be? How, how far thinking is, could that possibly be? So do you think Bob Lazar is, is correct then? Do you think he's... Yeah. I went to Los Alamos too now. I didn't see his name in the directory, but he was out there the year that I was sent out there for a short period of time from General Electric. We were filling in some security positions as requested by them. (2:36:09)

And I was at the advanced nuclear research facility for about two weeks and I got to be a bodyguard for a scientist. And I escorted him around inside the S4 area, not Bob Lazar's S4 area, but at Los Alamos, New Mexico, the advanced nuclear research facility. And I got to see the burst of a, of an element in a test situation. (2:36:35)

That was way cool. The product that we made at General Electric, Newton Devices, was an RTG and is a triggering mechanism for a nuclear weapon. They're not made anymore. 110 year battery, but you got to see a lot of really good stuff out there. And so anyway, but he was out there doing some, I believe what he's, what he's done and who he did it for, especially for EG&G because they were in Oak Ridge and they had a huge operation just in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, where I was located and are mainly based out of, that was my side that I worked at. (2:37:12)

I worked there in the K-25 site, gaseous diffusion facility, which has been returned to green earth now. But it's, you know, in all, everything is out there. Why do we have any shortcomings of anything other than this political world? Because if you have that technology for 90 years, you think we just developed everything that we developed on our own? I mean, look at cell phones, what they're doing. (2:37:37)

Your cell phone can propel three times over the first flight to the moon. And it took a whole room of computers in order to send that one spacecraft to the moon. Now you can do it on, you can do it on the old iPhone 5, I think is what they said, where the technology level was based, you know, in comparison to. (2:38:06)

I mean, electronics, just unbelievable what we can do in the nanotechnology, which has been developed. Where did all this just come from? (2:38:09)

I just think there's a lot more to it. And I think that everybody got a piece, and the weapons complex is the industrial complex. Everybody got a piece of the puzzle and they're allowed to work with it until they can't understand it anymore. Then they lock it up for five or six years, waiting for new, smarter, braver, you know, people to come in and they bring it back out and they start working on it again. (2:38:32)

But, you know, what was that thing about Leslie Cain? She got on YouTube and said after her interview with David Grush that no word was ever talked about the pilots of these vehicles or remnants of them. And my question was, well, how do you talk about one way or the other? Do you think there, do you think things are being operated, what, from the other side of the solar system? You know, you think there's not some, there's not beings of some type on these craft that are moving at 12,500 miles an hour or better and stop at zero and go straight down 50 feet and in the water and back up and mess with the F-16, F-18, you know? I just don't understand that. (2:39:22)

You know, first they interview him and then they want to backtrack off the, you know, who could be piloting the deck on things. You know, well, who do you think? It's not us, it's not our technology. It's way advanced to us, no matter what we have in these deep dark secret programs. So, how would you, how would you feel if they come out, you know, next week and they say it's all true? Would you, would you feel vindicated or would you feel, you know, angry, both? (2:39:55)

No, I wouldn't be angry at all. Well, it's about time that people of the world, it's not about one individual. It's not how I feel and it's not about how I feel at all. It's how everybody feels. You know, remember when Orson Welles did the radio show, you know, War of the Worlds? People killed themselves. (2:40:22)

One man up north killed his whole family under an interstate bridge. And you could look that up too. I mean, because he didn't hear the commercial, this is only a radio play show or whatever. They had to do that every 15 minutes, I understood, but people went about nuts over that. (2:40:39)

So, what if they came, you know, let's just say, you think our government is going to be the one that releases disclosure and says that, okay, we have visitors, they're here. Do you think it will be? I didn't. I don't know. I think, I don't think the government, I think people within the government, but at some point they have to show the craft, right? (2:40:59)

Even with the, yeah, even with David Grush, what he said that he's seen and what he hadn't seen, what he's read about. I mean, that guy's pretty brave to come out. And I mean, this is a really well-qualified, super ranking individual. I mean, there's just, there's nothing, nothing that you can say that he's not, because he's all of it. (2:41:24)

And you have Lou Elizondo right there with him, you know, and man, it's just getting more and more powerful. And that's the kind of people that we need because the world needs to know this. You know, I think it would be a, I think it would be a step for everybody on this planet also to acknowledge this, and perhaps then they could bring out this technology and they could really work with it and we could advance ourselves. (2:41:46)

Who knows how far? Literally overnight. I mean, building concepts, medical procedures, everything, powered flight. You know, do you have to have four wings? (2:42:05)

You know, I mean, really a whole tail section and a wing section. I mean, and a rudder. I mean, do you really have to do it? But maybe they just move differently. You know, how do you, how do you go through a media like water and not even create a splash? Yeah, it's like all the limits and everything, you know, I mean, really that's, and then there's other reports of them moving through the ground, just appearing from the ground. Just how do you move, how do you move through the earth? How can you do that? Or, you know, orbs coming into people's houses just push, just come right through the walls. (2:42:51)

You know, there's been several reports of that. There was a family in Florida that had one that gave it after like 30 days of owning it, like a shiny object they found in some part of a marsh area down in central Florida. I think that one was on non-ancient aliens, one of the other shows, but it had the family and everything. (2:43:15)

And they just found this metal ball in sitting by some palmetto bushes, picked it up, took it home, always feel hot. It followed them around the house, sit it on a table and roll it. It wouldn't go off the end of the table. And evidently it could, it could fly, but they never saw it fly. It flew sometimes, but when they didn't see it, however that is, I can, you know, I guess at night it'd move itself, you know, from one place to another without being seen, but they call NASA and NASA came in and got us last time they ever saw it. (2:43:52)

And they've called, you know, thousands of times trying to obtain it and they won't even answer the phone on them anymore. And they're not going to let any technology like that escape ever. But how would that take place? You think our government's going to acknowledge it or disclose, you know, what they have? I hope they do. I hope so. (2:44:14)

It sounds like there's people with the, with the courage and, and integrity. I think, how can you keep this to yourself? You know, the whole time we're just wondering if we're alone, we're watching just stupid politics on TV. One monkey call another monkey. Yeah. You know, dumb or something. We're surrounded by life, other, other beings. I mean, it's just a, yeah, it's just a crime against humanity. (2:44:44)

It honestly is. Yeah. Seriously. You know, somebody asked me a question. They said, well, how would they know our language or how would they know this? I said, we broadcast signals off this planet by the billions and it's like a string above us all. I said, just tune into anyone you want. And you can read anything that anybody's got or capture it all if you want. (2:45:06)

I said, believe it. They have the technology. They know every language of this planet. They know every animal on this planet. They know every fish in the sea, every whale that there is. Probably. I mean, they're probably that damn smart. Are they, are they a class one, two, three civilization? (2:45:21)

I mean, on the Kardashev scale, what does that mean exactly? Have control of a complete planet and your son to be able to gain the energy off of those sources? Or yet the next level up controls every planet in their solar system out to the outer rim of their, their, their so-called galaxy. And they can, they maintain that power. (2:45:49)

How do you, how do you even think about that? And we're class zero. So these people, I honestly believe these beings are, and there's more than one species are really are watching us. And when they feel this time, I think they'll just simply take over the airwaves and we'll all know in our own languages in every other way that we'll know that they're here and they'll announce themselves is what I see happening. (2:46:11)

I don't think the government will ever acknowledge it. They'll fight it to the end. And why? I don't know. Because somebody knows believe me, there are people that know on this planet right now in this country and in a few others, what really exists, what really has been done and what is really here now and has been, and what's visiting. (2:46:39)

How do you, how do you push down all these astronauts and all these pilots, you know, and, and even people on the ground like myself, you know, I got made fun of what would have, you know, what would a craft come down and a security policeman see this for? You know, I've been asked that. (2:46:55)

I have no idea. It would, the interest may have been in me for signaling the daggone thing. I don't know. But yet what was at that missile site that it was looking for? I don't think there's everything that we know about nuclear energy or what it'll do. You know, it's like testing electricity. Do we know every single thing that electricity will do? No, we don't. We use it every day, but we don't know what properties that it will do. (2:47:17)

We can't define it. We don't actually know. Right. Same with nuclear energy. We can control it somewhat, you know, kind of sloppily, but how will that change? So I think they keep a really close-knit base on that, on nuclear capabilities and what the whole world has as a whole. It probably does bother them. I mean, they just see a runaway government, I guess. I don't know. (2:47:42)

But are they going to interfere? I don't know that either. But it seems as if they are very concerned about that. If they are so advanced, you know, if they're millions of years advanced and they, like you said, they know everything about us, everything about our planet, everything about the animals, then why would they need to like take you onto the ship? You know, why do they need to abduct people if they already know everything? It's almost like they have to... they're either taking something or they're giving something, you know, some sort of... It'd have to be physical for them to do that. Like, did they take sperm from me? (2:48:26)

Did they take eggs from a woman? You know, women often come up missing eggs or embryos. (2:48:31)

And the only thing I guess they could take, I mean, I hope they don't take my last brain cell, I just got two, you know, but, you know, what exactly is that function? I mean, and what do they need that material for? Is it a way in which they follow your DNA overall? I mean, from your very beginning, you know, to where you are now? (2:48:53)

Or is it something they need to do something they're working on as part of a test? There's got to be a reason for it. They wouldn't take the chance. If they just wanted to observe, they wouldn't have to interact. Exactly. Huh? Yeah, if they're just observing, they wouldn't have to interact. Right, right. And if they already know everything, then, you know, why are they here? (2:49:20)

Right. You know, it's like our Lagrange points that are so far from the earth, which, you know, those are primary observable areas that you could observe everything in this planet. And I think there's three Lagrange points and the James Webb Space Telescope is sitting on one of them over a million miles away. (2:49:44)

And it's a real interesting triangulation of the planet where you could literally sit there undetected as long as you wanted, you know, and view anything about another world. I mean, it's pretty cool that it's there though. And you drew it here like it's off to the left. Do you remember? It wasn't right over it? The blast door is a little bit to the left. It's not directly center of the site. (2:50:09)

Okay, so you think this was centered directly over the missile? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Without sitting right on top of it. And it wasn't about 10 feet in the air. And honestly, if you want to compare it to what's the biggest thing you've seen, you've seen an aircraft carrier? Have I seen? I have, yeah. Put two of them side by side and make a ball out of them. (2:50:37)

Wow. Yes, sir. Such a giant. Complete energy, just bowling with energy. You know, I've thought of one thing where they talk about why, how could these, these crash craft, sorry, these craft crash. And what if, you know, for whatever reason, the nuclear energy, radio radiation, or whatever we have in our missile systems can interfere with their navigation? You know, what if they're traveling by our planet or system or something, and somehow these nuclear missiles, like you mentioned, do something that, that actually attract them, meaning that maybe they weren't meaning to come here, but we're. Pulled there or it could be, I mean, I just can't imagine something, but you know, you're talking about so many feet of thick steel concrete or reinforced concrete doors like that. (2:51:32)

What kind of signal could get out of that silo? But then again, you're talking sensors that could probably read radiation, 30 miles below the surface too. Or some other sensors that we're not able to detect, you know, there's, it's emitting something else that we don't understand. (2:51:47)

Like the Roswell crash, you know, it was always blamed on a radar, a new radar they put in or something, but really it's just a rumor basically. But one thing that was, when I was filming the Discovery Plus, you know, we were down away from the site, about 50 yards to the west of it. No, to the east of it, I'm sorry. There were a bunch of people that were coming up and down Ormond Road watching this film. (2:52:16)

And I was standing there with Richard Emberlin and, you know, we were just basically talking, you know, and they were filming, they had a drone up and that kind of stuff. And another camera over in front of me or beside me. It's weird how that takes place, you know, but it, I guess it has to happen. (2:52:38)

And there were these guys standing around and, but then there were two guys that were on four wheelers and one was on an enclosed like Rhino and the other was like an open wheel Honda ATV. And everybody else pretty much left. And the camera crew was, was packing all their vans up and stuff. And the first guy, he just, I just kind of walked over and met him real quick. (2:53:00)

And, and he asked me, he goes, are you Mario Woods? And I said, yes, I am. He goes, you're the one that's happened to you, right? And I said, yeah, and my partner, Michael Johnson, I said, and we can't find, he goes, well, he goes, I just want to tell you, he goes, I was a deputy sheriff and he's, he's about probably 70 years old. He goes, I'm a deputy. (2:53:22)

I was a deputy sheriff in Sturgis. He goes, and we received an assistance call from your wing security control at Ellsworth. And he didn't say wing security control. He said a security, a security area at your base called Sturgis, the sheriff's department and asked if they could travel north on highway 79 to November 5 missile site off of Ormond road to search for two security policemen that they couldn't find. (2:53:53)

So him and another deputy were assigned and sent, and he didn't give me the name of the other deputy, but they were sent up there. And at the same time, after we talked and exchanged names and so forth and information, the guy sitting in the Rhino, I walked, we walked over to him and he got out and introduced himself and said, I own all this area up here by Castle Rock, which is a few miles north. (2:54:15)

He goes, but I just wanted to say, he said, I heard that you guys are out here today. And I said, yes, sir. He goes, my father was a state trooper back, you know, 50 years ago. And, uh, my, my home is I'm still in the same house. He goes, I'm up there on about 80,000 acres here. (2:54:39)

I was like, wow. He goes, but my home, uh, I live, I was in a room just off the kitchen and we had a wall phone there and it rang at, you know, 1 45, two o'clock in the morning. (2:54:45)

And it was your wing security control contacting my, you know, the office that, or his state patrol, state patrol office that they needed help. Well, they, the state patrol office instead of calling him, they called his house. So he picked up the phone and this fellow heard him and his, his, the conversation went as he told me was he heard his dad say, well, why do you want me to go look for him? He goes, um, they're better weaponized. They're better. (2:55:13)

They're more equipped with guns than I am. And, uh, and then he kind of heard some curse words when he hung up the phone and he went and changed and got ready and he left his home to come look for us. So later on, I come to, I didn't find that out until we were out there, you know, with Discovery Plus and come to find out, you know, had six security policemen looking for us. (2:55:36)

And then, uh, uh, two additional patrols from Sturgis and then one state trooper, which they never found. Of course, they didn't find us. Uh, the, the backup alert teams did them of the security police personnel. Um, but I just thought that really strange that we, it was like a realization never knowing that any of that was, I was never told that they use state resources to try and locate us also besides what we had, you know, trying to, you know, find, find us. (2:56:13)

So that was a real revelation. And we'd like to go back out there and do like a round table, uh, because, uh, the fellow, his father was the state trooper said that he saw a bright light in the sky that night and don't know what he meant. I saw, that's all I was told. (2:56:30)

And, but I thought that was pretty interesting, you know, for him to come forward and say that. And I told him next time he'd come back, we'd have us a big round table. So I hope that happens soon. Cause he's probably in his mid seventies and the other guy was probably in his early seventies, but I'd love to talk to him further. Well, well, thank you, Mario. It's so great to get it, get it recorded. (2:56:53)

Like you said, speaking out, man, thank you so much for speaking out. I know there's gotta be so many people right now who are considering it, you know, has it, has it helped you speaking out? I don't really know because I don't, I don't trust the arrow office. And that, that comment that Kirkpatrick put out, they saw no credible evidence of any nuclear interactions. So they literally called half of us or the 12th that a person recommended, who was asked to recommend us, Robert Hastings, they literally called us liars is what they've done by saying that just that one statement, he just, you know, Bob Salas and Bob Jacobs and myself and anybody else that had any kind of incident, not a story, an incident, these are documented incidents that occurred while on duty. (2:57:50)

That's what makes, that's the difference as I was told and explained to. Well, I guess they can say that their timing only started at 1996. But you gave your, but you actually interviewed with them. So. Oh, yeah. (2:58:08)

They've heard some credible evidence, I believe. Well, and look at Bob Salas before I did. I mean, here you got a launch control officer with all the documentation that you could possibly have from everybody, and no credible evidence that they shut down anything. Are you kidding me? Yeah, you know, four or six security policemen out there drawn down with weapons, ready to engage this thing. (2:58:35)

If they were told to, if somebody told they would have done it, which would have been a foolish mistake. Then all kinds of stuff go on with that. But yeah, just think about that. But then you sit there and say that, I mean, to me, it's like a, it's a modern day blue book with just better haircuts. That's all. They're doing the same thing. (2:58:58)

They'll stall and stall and stall. No matter who comes forward, they'll find a way to either discredit or to do something. That's the way I feel it's going. Yeah, they want your full story, I think, because they want to know how much we really know. And maybe even look for anything that's, you know, that they deem, well, you shouldn't be talking about this or that. (2:59:14)

I'm not talking about anything classified at all. I don't know anything classified anymore, whether it be DOE or DOE. I'm not, I don't talk about anything like that. I think it's even classified. So you don't think the government will ever release it? I don't think they will, not outwardly. I hope I'm wrong. I really do hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. (2:59:35)

They give away too much control if they do that. Man, what a bunch of bastards. Yeah, well, I think they'll... It just pisses me off. Yeah. You know what they'll, I think what they'll do is they'll probably go, you know, they've been in cahoots with, you know, the military creation complex, I call it, you know, everybody's got a piece of the puzzle and everybody's gained money off that black project money. (3:00:05)

I mean, just think about it, how it's gone. I mean, that would be the, you know, just, you know, I was with Lockheed Martin and Martin Marietta and General Electric. I mean, each one of them have just, are just trillionaire, you know, businesses based on technology that's part of this whole program. You know, however they design compressors to make refrigerators, I don't know. (3:00:27)

There's some part of everything being made that was created to start with from this technology. LED emitting diodes, light emitting diodes, I mean, all kinds of stuff. And this nanotechnology that's coming out, you know, it's just unbelievable. I mean, it'd be amazing what's going to be in a hundred years. Well, they can always just say that, you know, they say, we'll see, we're giving the technology. (3:00:46)

I mean, there's so many excuses they can always make. Yes, sir. They killed all the blood they've on their hands. I understand that somebody's craft, they're not retrieval. They're like, they're archeological projects. Or shot down. I wouldn't be surprised if they've set traps. I mean, I wouldn't put it at all. (3:01:16)

Yeah. You know, as I said, I think there's more than one race. I've been told there's like eight races that come here and not all of them are friendly. I've been told. (3:01:20)

I just hope the unfriendly ones stay away because there's no technology. We have hypersonics or sound weapons or anything that we've got that could even think about stopping these people. Nothing. Nothing. Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Amazing account, Mario. Thank you so much for your time. Anything else you want to say or any other questions you had to answer that we didn't cover? No, I think I covered it pretty well. (3:01:56)

I mean, if anybody's got questions, my email is mwoods175 at gmail.com. I can't tell you how quickly I'll answer, but I will answer you. And I still owe some people from the last podcast some answers. And I hope the drawings covered any of your questions. That's all I got. I don't have much, but that's all I have. I think you have a ton, man. (3:02:17)

And like we talked about, we can... Yeah, I want to talk with you after, and we'll see if we can track down. We can do some iterations with using AI. We can make a bunch of different pictures and see if we can get reasonably close or something. Yeah, that would be wonderful. I really appreciate it. I've really enjoyed the time, and I'm going to go cook some dinner now. (3:02:35)

Try to, but again, if you ever need me for anything else, just give me a holler. I'd be happy to come back, talk to you, whatever you might need. Awesome, man. Thank you so much, Mario, for your courage, your integrity, and sticking out here, man. Thank you. All right.

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