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概要

黒い目の子供たちとの遭遇と考察

本テキストは、黒い目の子供たち (Black Eyed Kids/BEKs)、スレンダーマン、ジンといった超常現象について、専門家デヴィッド・ウェザリーへのラジオインタビューの書き起こしです。

ウェザリーは、黒い目の子供たちを、青白い肌、単調な声、そして完全に真っ黒な目を持つ、家に侵入しようとする10代前後の子供のような存在として説明し、多くの証言を紹介しています。また、インターネットミームから生まれたスレンダーマンが、人々の集合意識によって実体化するトゥルパである可能性や、中東の伝承に登場するジンの邪悪な性質についても議論し、これらの存在が異次元からのものだという自身の説を述べています。

全体を通して、これらの現象の謎と、それらが人間に引き起こす心理的、身体的影響が掘り下げられています。

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The Djinn, Slenderman, & the Black Eyed Kids - The Real Insidious Entities

要旨

ブリーフィングドキュメント：黒い目の子供たち、遭遇と考察​

このブリーフィングは、デヴィッド・ウェザリー氏の著書「黒い目の子供たち」や、ラジオ/ネット番組「COAST TO COAST AM」の文字起こし「The Djinn, Slenderman, & the Black Eyed Kids - The Real Insidious Entities」で語られた、黒い目の子供たち（Black Eyed Kids, BEKs）に関する主要な事実、事例、および考察をまとめたものです。ウェザリー氏は35年以上にわたり超常現象を調査し、BEKの専門家とされています。

  1. 黒い目の子供たち (Black Eyed Kids - BEKs) の特徴

  • 外見:

    • 年齢: 10歳から10代前半。
    • 肌: 非常に青白く、不自然なほど白い、または「粉っぽい」と形容される。シミ一つなく、完璧な肌を持つとされる。
    • 目: 完全に真っ黒。瞳孔だけでなく、白目（強膜）全体が黒い。エイリアンのグレイの目に似ているが、サイズは通常の人間の目と同じ。
    • 声: 単調で抑揚がない。まるでフレーズを記憶して繰り返しているかのよう。
    • 服装: 地味な色の服（ダークブラウン、黒、グレー）を着用。古風な、または手作りのような、サイズが合っていない服を報告されることがある。
    • 持ち物: 携帯電話やiPod、時計などの現代的な電子機器を持っている姿は一度も報告されていない。

  • 行動:

    • アプローチ: 人々の家や会社、駐車場で車に近づいてくる。
    • 接触の初期: 最初は頭を下げており、直接的なアイコンタクトを避ける傾向がある。
    • 要求: 室内に入ることを要求する。「雨宿りをさせてほしい」「水を一杯飲ませてほしい」「しばらく中にいたい」など。
    • 話法: 繰り返し同じフレーズを単調な声で発する。「ただ中に入らせてくれ」「すぐ終わるから」など。
    • 目的: 招待されて中に入ろうとする。
    • 消滅: 遭遇が恐怖のピークに達すると、突然、目の前から姿を消す。人がドアを閉めたり、車を急発進させたりして振り返ると、もういない。

  • 遭遇時の反応と影響:

    • 初期の不快感: BEKに遭遇した人は、まず自動的に「何かがおかしい」と感じ、強い不快感を覚える。
    • 恐怖の増大: 対話しようとすると、その不快感は急速に不安、そして決定的な恐怖へと発展する。
    • 心理的葛藤: 「子供だから助けなければならない」という本能と、「何かが根本的に間違っている」という恐怖の間で心理的な葛藤が生じる。「論理的には子供なのに、なぜこんなに怖いのか」と人々は混乱する。
    • 身体的影響: BEKに接触したり、家に入れたりした場合、接触者は病気になったり、不幸な出来事が立て続けに起こったりすることがある。ニューオーリンズの男性の事例では、接触後すぐに姉が亡くなった。
    • 悪臭: 約20〜30%のケースで、BEKから硫黄のような、あるいは腐敗臭のような「想像しうる中で最もひどい悪臭」が報告される。この悪臭が衣類に染みつき、なかなか落ちないこともある。
    • 動物の反応: 動物、特に犬はBEKに対して極度の恐怖を示す。テキサスでの事例では、訓練されたピットブルがBEKの存在だけで恐怖のあまり逃げ出し、それ以降、永久に性格が変わってしまった。
    • 精神的影響: BEKは遭遇した人に、催眠術やマインドコントロールをかけようとしているかのように振る舞うという報告もある。

  • 遭遇の頻度と地理的範囲:

    • 出現場所: 米国全土だけでなく、カナダ、オーストラリア、南アフリカ、英国など、世界中で報告されている。
    • 頻度: 2000年代初頭から報告が増加し、過去3〜4年間は「ノンストップ」で増加しているとウェザリー氏は述べている。
    • 遭遇パターン: 一般的に遭遇は非常に孤立しており、特定の地域で複数回報告されることはまれ。
  1. BEKsの正体に関する考察と関連する超常現象

ウェザリー氏は、BEKの正体について複数の可能性を提示している。

  • 次元間生命体:

    • ウェザリー氏の個人的な理論は、BEKが「子供の姿をとって人々を油断させる」一種の次元間生命体であるというもの。「彼らは全く子供ではないと思う」。
    • 最近の科学では、他の次元や並行宇宙について盛んに議論されており、これはかつてSFだったものが、量子論者によって「存在する」と語られている。
    • ジョン・キールのような研究者が提唱する「ウィンドウエリア」と呼ばれる場所（多くの奇妙なことが集中的に起こる場所）が、これらの存在の「進入地点」である可能性。
    • 古代の部族や文化の伝承にも、別の次元から来た存在が言及されており、BEKは現代におけるその現れかもしれない。

  • 悪魔的実体:

    • 最も一般的な説の一つ。悪魔的な存在、または「悪魔」に例えられることが多い。
    • 伝統的な吸血鬼の伝承と類似点がある。特に「招かれなければ家に入れない」という点や、特定の悪臭（硫黄のような匂い）の存在が挙げられる。これらは現代のロマンス中心の吸血鬼像とは異なり、原初の「墓から這い出た死んだ存在」としての吸血鬼像に近い。
    • 遭遇の目的が「犠牲者の中に高レベルの恐怖を生み出す」ことにあるように見える。恐怖がピークに達すると消滅するため、「ミッション完了」のように、彼らはその感情的エネルギーを「餌にしている」可能性が示唆される。

  • エイリアンのハイブリッド:

    • もう一つの一般的な説。一部の被拉致体験者（アブダクティー）は、BEKが自分のハイブリッドの子供だと主張する。
    • 青白い肌と大きな黒い目という外見は、グレイ型エイリアンの特徴と酷似している。
    • フランスの1974年の事例では、黄土色の肌とビリヤード球大の真っ黒な目を持つ4フィートの存在が報告されており、これもBEKの初期の形態、あるいは関連する存在の可能性が示唆される。

  • 大人版BEK / シェイプシフティング:

    • 子供のBEKだけでなく、黒い目の大人の目撃例が増加している。
    • 「知っている人の目が突然真っ黒になる」という、いわゆるシェイプシフティングの報告も多数寄せられている。これは顔の構造などは変わらず、目だけが黒くなる現象で、ウェザリー氏は関連性を模索中。
  1. スレンダーマン (Slenderman) との関連性 / トゥルパ (Tulpa) の概念
  • 起源: スレンダーマンは、インターネット掲示板「Something Awful」のコンテストで生まれたインターネットミームであり、当初は「超常現象を捏造し、バイラルにする」ことを目的として作成された。
  • 特徴: 長身で痩せた、黒い服を着た人物として描かれ、学校の火災や子供の失踪に関連付けられた。
  • トゥルパの可能性: ウェザリー氏は、スレンダーマンがチベットの古い信仰に由来するトゥルパ（Tulpa）、つまり「人間の心の力によって創造されたもの」である可能性を指摘している。
    • 瞑想と集中を通じて、エネルギーを集中させることで、思考上の存在が物理的な形を取るという概念。
    • スレンダーマンは「集合意識」によって創造されたトゥルパかもしれない。インターネット上で多くの人々がその存在を信じ、恐怖を投影した結果、現実世界に現れた可能性。
    • フィリップ実験: これを裏付ける有名な実験として「フィリップ実験」が挙げられる。人々が架空の人物に詳細な背景を設定し、集団でその存在を召喚しようとしたところ、テーブルが浮上したり、ノック音がしたりといった心霊現象が起こった。
  1. ジニー (Djinn) との関連性

  • 中東における重要性: ジニー（西欧では「魔神」や「精霊」と訳されるが、ウェザリー氏は「Genie」という西洋でのユーモラスなイメージとの乖離を強調）は、中東とイスラム世界で非常に重要な存在として認識されている。

  • イスラム教における創造: イスラムの伝承では、アッラーが人間、天使、そしてジニーの3つの知的種族を創造したとされる。ジニーは人間にひざまずくことを拒否したため追放された。

    • 特徴と能力:非常に強力で、形を変えることができる（人間、動物の姿、死んだ祖母の声など）。
    • 透明になれる。
    • 瞬時に世界中を移動できる。
    • 人間に深い怒りを抱いている。
    • 彼らもまた「次元間生命体」と見なされる。
    • 行動様式:非常に陰湿な方法で人々に影響を与える。「蜘蛛がウェブを紡ぎ、人々をより深く誘い込み、手遅れになるまで絡めとる」と例えられる。
    • 最初は「サイキックな情報」や「助け」として現れ、人々に力を与えるかのように見えるが、最終的にはコントロールを奪う。
    • 中東から帰還した兵士の中には、ジニーに関連するポルターガイスト現象や声の体験を報告する者がいる。

  • 魔法との関連: 「ランプの魔人」の伝説は、中世の魔術師がジニーを召喚し、指輪などの物体に閉じ込めて富裕層に売ったことに由来するとされる。

  • 信仰: イスラム教徒はデフォルトでジニーの存在を信じており、世界中で数百万人がその存在を認識している。彼らについて話すことは、その注意を引きつけるためタブー視される地域もある。

  1. 総括と相互関連性
  • 現象の多様性: BEKは、その特徴から「悪魔」「エイリアンのハイブリッド」「次元間生命体」「メン・イン・ブラック」など、幅広い超常現象のカテゴリに分類される可能性がある。
  • 招待の重要性: BEKも伝統的な吸血鬼の伝承と同様に、「招待されなければ入れない」というルールに従っているように見える。彼らの執拗な要求は、この招待を得ることを目的としている。
  • 心理的影響: BEKの遭遇は、犠牲者に強烈な心理的混乱と恐怖を引き起こす。この恐怖が彼らの「目的」である可能性が示唆されている。
  • 増加する報告: BEKの目撃報告は近年劇的に増加しており、ポップカルチャーでの超常現象の受容度の高まりも一因とされる。
  • 権威ある立場の人々: 警察官、軍人、政府職員など、権威ある立場やストレスの高い仕事に就いている人々からの報告が多いという興味深いパターンがある。

ウェザリー氏は、これらの現象が単一の原因ではなく、互いに重なり合う多次元的な性質を持つ可能性を示唆している。特にBEKとジニーは、どちらも「他の次元から来た存在」として語られ、その行動様式には類似点が見られる。これらの現象は、人間の心が持つ未知の力や、未解明の次元の存在を示唆しているのかもしれない。

timeline と 主要関係者

Black Eyed Kids (BEK) 現象に関するタイムライン

このタイムラインは、David WeatherlyがCoast to Coast AMのインタビューで語った、Black Eyed Kids (BEK) 現象、Slender Man、およびDjinnに関する主要な出来事、事例、調査結果に基づいています。

古代〜中世​

  • 古代チベット: 瞑想や集中を通じて「トゥルパ」を物理的に創造するという概念が存在。これはSlender Manの「集合的意識による創造」という説の根拠となる。
  • 世界中の部族・文化: 他次元からの存在が、かつて地球に住んでいたが、ある時点で別の次元へと移動したという話が存在。
  • ヨーロッパ: 「シュヴァルツマン（黒い男）」や「背の高い男」といった、Slender Manに類似する姿の伝承が存在。
  • イスラムの始まり: アッラーが人類、天使、Djinnの3つの生命体を創造。Djinnは人類への服従を拒否し、追放されたとされる。Djinnは形を変え、旅行し、隠れるなどの力を持つ。
  • 中世（特に西洋）: 魔術師や呪術師が「悪魔を縛る」ためにDjinnを召喚しようとし、ランプの魔人の伝説の起源となる。彼らはDjinnを指輪などの物体に縛り付け、富裕層に販売した。

1950年代​

  • 1950年代以前: インターネットやテレビが普及する以前から、Black Eyed Kidsに類似する存在の古い報告が散見される。ただし、当時は「悪魔」や「幽霊」など、その文化圏の言葉で表現されていた。

1970年代​

  • 1974年（フランス、イオン）: 2人の男性が4フィートの5人の存在に遭遇。彼らは長い髪、水玉模様のドレス、土色の黄色い肌、ビリヤード玉ほどの大きさの真っ黒な目をしていた。目撃者が恐怖を感じ、その場から逃げた後、存在は消滅した。近隣住民も「黄色い油布を着た子供たち」を見たという証言がある。これは、現代のBlack Eyed Kidsという用語が使われる前の遭遇例として挙げられる。
  • 1970年代: David Weatherlyが10代の頃から超常現象の調査を開始。

1990年代​

  • 1990年代: David WeatherlyがDjinnに関する個人的な経験を持つ。
  • 1996年（テキサス）: Brian BethelによるBlack Eyed Kidsの「現代における最初の重要な事例」が発生。彼は駐車場で車にいた際、映画を見たいと主張する2人の子供に遭遇。彼らの目が真っ黒であることに気づき、恐怖を感じて逃走。子供たちはその後姿を消した。この出来事をインターネットに投稿したことで、現代のBlack Eyed Kids現象の報告が激増するきっかけとなった。

2000年代​

  • 2000年代初頭: David WeatherlyがBlack Eyed Kidsの調査を本格的に開始。
  • 過去3〜4年間: Black Eyed Kidsの活動が絶えず、報告件数が劇的に増加している。

2012年​

  • 2012年: David Weatherlyの著書「The Black-Eyed Children」が出版される。この本にはDjinnに関する章も含まれており、出版後、Djinnに関する問い合わせがBlack Eyed Kidsに関するものを上回るほど多く寄せられる。

現在（インタビュー時）​

  • 継続中: 世界中でBlack Eyed Kidsの報告が続いており、カナダ、オーストラリア、南アフリカ、イギリスなど、アメリカ以外でも頻繁に目撃されている。
  • 大人版の出現: Black Eyed Adultsの目撃報告が増加しており、一部は通常の目の人物の目が突然真っ黒に変化する「シェイプシフト」現象として報告されている。
  • 米軍兵士の帰還: 中東からの帰還兵が、Djinnに関連するような奇妙な超常現象（ポルターガイスト現象、幻聴など）を経験している報告が増加。彼らは中東で Djinn が宿っているとされる品物を持ち帰っていることが多い。
  • Slender Manの継続的な影響: インターネットミームとして始まったにもかかわらず、多くの人が実際にSlender Manを目撃したり遭遇したりしていると信じている。Coast to Coast AMの番組にも、Slender Manに遭遇したというパニック状態の電話が寄せられている。
  • David Weatherlyの今後のプロジェクト: Black Eyed Adultsに焦点を当てた新しい本を執筆中。

主要登場人物リスト​

以下は、提供された情報源で言及された主要な人物のリストです。

  • David Weatherly (デイビッド・ウェザリー)

    • 概要: 35年以上にわたり超常現象を調査している研究者。Cryptozoology（未確認生物学）、UFO、幽霊など、幅広いトピックについて執筆している。Black Eyed Kids (BEK) 現象の専門家であり、そのテーマに関する本を執筆している。また、Djinn現象についても深く掘り下げて研究しており、その危険性を警告している。彼は、BEKが子供の姿を装った異次元の存在であるという個人的な説を提唱している。
    • 著書: 「The Black-Eyed Children」（2012年出版）、Black Eyed Adultsに関する新しい本も執筆中。
    • ウェブサイト: leprechaunpress.com (書籍販売), twocrowsparanormal.blogspot.com (ブログ)

  • George Noory (ジョージ・ヌーリー)

    • 概要: ラジオ/ネット放送「COAST TO COAST AM」の司会者。David Weatherlyのインタビューアを務め、超常現象のトピックに関心が高い。

  • Brian Bethel (ブライアン・ベセル)

    • 概要: テキサス州のジャーナリスト。1996年に駐車場でBlack Eyed Kidsに遭遇した最も有名な人物。彼の体験談をインターネットに投稿したことが、現代におけるBlack Eyed Kids現象の報告が急増するきっかけとなった。

  • Rosemary Guiley (ローズマリー・ガイリー)

    • 概要: Djinnについて広範に執筆している人物。David WeatherlyがDjinnに関する本を執筆する際に助言を与え、「Djinnは観察されることを好まない」と警告した。

  • John Keel (ジョン・キール)

    • 概要: 超常現象研究者。David WeatherlyがBEKのポータル説を説明する際に言及された人物で、奇妙な現象が集中して発生する「ウィンドウエリア」の概念を提唱した。

  • Philip (フィリップ)

    • 概要: 「フィリップ実験」において、あるグループが意図的に創造しようとしたとされる「霊」の名前。この実験はトゥルパの概念、つまり集合的意識が物理的な現象を生み出す可能性を示すものとして言及された。

  • JC Johnson (J.C. ジョンソン)

    • 概要: Crypto Four Cornersグループのメンバー。Jack Careyと共にニューメキシコ州でBlack Eyed Adultに遭遇した経験を持つ。

  • Jack Carey (ジャック・ケアリー)

    • 概要: Crypto Four Cornersグループのメンバー。JC Johnsonと共にニューメキシコ州でBlack Eyed Adultに遭遇した経験を持つ。

  • Dave Schrader (デイブ・シュレーダー)

    • 概要: David Weatherlyが言及した、Black Eyed Kidsの遭遇談を収集している他の研究者の一人。

  • Jason Offit (ジェイソン・オフィット)

    • 概要: David Weatherlyが言及した、Black Eyed Kidsの遭遇談を収集している他の研究者の一人。

  • Nick Redfern (ニック・レッドファーン)

    • 概要: David Weatherlyが言及した、Black Eyed Kidsの遭遇談を収集している他の研究者の一人。

Me:

timeline にある「　1950年代

1950年代以前: インターネットやテレビが普及する以前から、Black Eyed Kidsに類似する存在の古い報告が散見される。ただし、当時は「悪魔」や「幽霊」など、その文化圏の言葉で表現されていた。　」

についてできるだけ詳しく敷衍して。

AI

timelineにある「1950年代以前: インターネットやテレビが普及する以前から、Black Eyed Kidsに類似する存在の古い報告が散見される。ただし、当時は「悪魔」や「幽霊」など、その文化圏の言葉で表現されていた。」について、以下に詳しく敷衍します。

デビッド・ウェザリー氏の研究によると、現代におけるBlack Eyed Kids（BEK）の目撃談の波は、1996年にブライアン・ベセル氏がテキサスで経験した遭遇談をインターネットに投稿したことから本格的に始まりました。この投稿が人々の共感を呼び、他の人々も同様の体験を報告し始めたことで、その後の活動が急増しました。

しかし、ウェザリー氏が自身の著書のために調査を進める中で、インターネットやテレビが普及する以前の、1950年代、さらにはそれよりも古い時代にも、Black Eyed Kidsに類似する存在の報告が見つかりました。

重要なのは、「Black Eyed Kid」や「BEK」といった用語は現代になってこれらの存在を指すために使われるようになった言葉であるという点です。そのため、過去の報告を探す際には、当時の文化的な背景や、人々がそのような存在をどのように表現していたかを考慮する必要がありました。

古い時代の記録では、これらの存在は**「悪魔」や「幽霊」、あるいはその文化圏で使われていた様々な呼称で呼ばれていました**。ウェザリー氏は、この現象が多岐にわたる超常現象の領域にまたがっており、Men in Black、悪魔的存在、ジン、ハイブリッド（異種交配体）など、幅広いものと関連付けられると述べています。

1974年にフランスで発生した事例は、Black Eyed Kidsの古い報告として特に興味深いものです。

  • その事例は、フランスのイヨンという場所で、2人の男性が5体の異様な存在に遭遇したというものです。

  • 彼らは、身長約1.2メートル（4フィート）で、長い髪を持ち、多色点のついたドレスを着用していたと描写されています。

  • 肌は土気色の黄色で、目はビリヤードの球ほどの大きさで、完全に真っ黒だったと報告されています。

  • 彼らは恐怖を感じ、目を合わせた男性は極度の恐怖状態に陥り、その場から急いで立ち去りました。

  • その後、彼らが他の人々を連れて戻った時には、その姿はすでに消えていました。

  • しかし、数か月後に調査員が訪れた際、近隣住民がその日、同じ場所で「黄色の油布をまとった子供たちの集団」を目撃したと証言しており、独立した裏付けが得られています。

  • この1974年の事例は、現代的な「Black Eyed Kid」という用語が普及するずっと以前、そしてブライアン・ベセル氏の有名な遭遇談よりも前に起きていたものです。

このように、Black Eyed Kids現象は現代のインターネット文化の中で広く知られるようになりましたが、そのルーツははるか昔に遡り、異なる文化や時代の中で様々な形で解釈・表現されてきたと考えられています。

Me:

timeline にある

1996年（テキサス）: Brian BethelによるBlack Eyed Kidsの「現代における最初の重要な事例」が発生。彼は駐車場で車にいた際、映画を見たいと主張する2人の子供に遭遇。彼らの目が真っ黒であることに気づき、恐怖を感じて逃走。子供たちはその後姿を消した。この出来事をインターネットに投稿したことで、現代のBlack Eyed Kids現象の報告が激増するきっかけとなった。

についてできるだけ詳しく敷衍して。

AI

timelineにある「1996年（テキサス）: Brian BethelによるBlack Eyed Kidsの「現代における最初の重要な事例」が発生。彼は駐車場で車にいた際、映画を見たいと主張する2人の子供に遭遇。彼らの目が真っ黒であることに気づき、恐怖を感じて逃走。子供たちはその後姿を消した。この出来事をインターネットに投稿したことで、現代のBlack Eyed Kids現象の報告が激増するきっかけとなった。」について、以下に詳しく敷衍します。 現代におけるBlack Eyed Kids（BEK）現象の最初の重要な事例は、1996年にテキサス州でブライアン・ベセル氏に起こった遭遇談です。

この出来事の詳細は以下の通りです。

遭遇の状況:​

  • 1996年、ブライアン・ベセル氏はテキサス州の駐車場で車の中に座り、小切手を書いていました。
  • その時、2人の子供が彼の車の窓に近づいてきました。

子供たちの要求と不審な点:​

  • 子供たちはベセル氏に「映画を観に行きたい」と言って、乗せてくれるよう頼みました。
  • しかし、ベセル氏が映画館の看板を見上げると、その映画は最終上映のかなり終盤に入っていることがわかり、子供たちの要求は全く筋が通らないものだと感じました。

ベセル氏の反応:​

  • ベセル氏は当初、増大する不安感を覚えました。
  • 息苦しさを感じ始め、非常に神経質になりました。 •

決定的な瞬間:​

  • 突然、これらの子供たちがベセル氏とアイコンタクトを取りました。
  • その瞬間、彼は彼らの目が完全に真っ黒で、白目の部分が全くないことに気づきました。

恐怖と逃走:​

  • 目が真っ黒であることに気づいた途端、ベセル氏の恐怖は一気に頂点に達しました。
  • 彼はすぐに車をバックさせ、できるだけ早く駐車場から立ち去りました。

子供たちの消失:​

  • ベセル氏が駐車場から車を出す際にバックミラーを見ると、その子供たちはすでに姿を消していました。このような急な消失は、Black Eyed Kidsの遭遇談において非常に典型的であるとされています。

このブライアン・ベセル氏の遭遇談が、現代のBlack Eyed Kids現象の報告の波を本格的に引き起こしました。

  • ベセル氏がこの体験をインターネットに投稿したところ、多くの人々の共感を呼びました。
  • これは、これらの子供たちについてインターネットに投稿された最初の事例であるとされており、人々はこれに強く反応しました。
  • 結果として、「自分もこれと似たようなものを見たことがある」と他の人々が報告し始め、それ以来、現代のBlack Eyed Kids現象の活動が急増し、途切れることがない状態になっています。

デビッド・ウェザリー氏の研究によると、この「Black Eyed Kid」という用語自体はベセル氏の遭遇談以降にこれらの存在を指すために普及した現代の言葉です。しかし、彼の調査では、インターネットやテレビが普及する以前の1950年代、さらにはそれよりも古い時代にも、同様の存在の報告が散見されることが判明しています。これらの古い報告では、当時の文化的なレンズを通して「悪魔」や「幽霊」など、その文化圏の言葉で表現されていたと指摘されています。

Me:

timeline にある　「　一部は通常の目の人物の目が突然真っ黒に変化する「シェイプシフト」現象として報告されている。　」について、できるだけ詳しく敷衍して。

AI

timelineにある「一部は通常の目の人物の目が突然真っ黒に変化する「シェイプシフト」現象として報告されている」について、詳しく敷衍します。 デビッド・ウェザリー氏の調査によると、Black Eyed Kids（BEK）現象の報告が増加する中で、通常の目の人物の目が突然真っ黒に変化する、いわゆる「シェイプシフト」現象の報告が増えてきています。 この現象は、以下のような特徴が報告されています。

目撃の状況：​

  • この現象は、見知らぬ人だけでなく、以前から知っている人物の目でも起こることがあります。
  • 目撃者は、相手の顔の構造やその他の身体的特徴は変わらないにもかかわらず、目だけが突然完全に真っ黒になるのを目にします。白目の部分も瞳孔も一切見えず、まるで黒いオーブのようです。

目撃者の反応と影響：​

  • この現象を目撃した人々は、深い恐怖感や不安感に襲われます。
  • ハワイでの夕食中の事例では、男性が知人の目の色が突然真っ黒になるのを目撃し、時間が止まったように感じ、すぐにその場から逃げ出しました。この経験は彼の人生に大きな影響を与え、以前はなかった恐怖症を発症するなど、奇妙なことが起こったとされています。
  • また、ジャック・ケアリーとJC・ジョンソンの体験談では、砂漠で出会った若い女性の目が真っ黒になった際、彼らは方向感覚を失い、ジャックは激しい吐き気を催し、JCは頭に奇妙な焼けるような感覚を覚えたと報告されています。

Black Eyed Kids現象との関連性（考察）：​

  • この「目が変化する」現象は、目が最初から真っ黒なBlack Eyed Kidsのケースとは異なりますが、研究者たちはその関連性について様々な憶測をしています。
  • 一部の推測では、これらの存在が人間世界に溶け込むことを「学習している」過程であり、完全に正確な人間の姿をとるには時間がかかるのかもしれないと考えられています。
  • この現象は、黒い目の大人の目撃談が増えていることとも関連付けられています。デビッド・ウェザリー氏は、自身の新しい著書でこの現象について1章を割いて詳しく述べています。
  • 従来の伝承では、悪魔憑きや憑依の事例で似たような目の描写が見られることがありますが、この突然目が真っ黒に変化する現象自体には、まだ明確な伝統的な伝承との関連性は見出されていません。

これらの報告は、Black Eyed Kids現象が多岐にわたる超常現象の領域にまたがっていることを示しており、その正体や起源については未だ多くの謎が残されています。

Me:

その回答にある　「　ジャック・ケアリーとJC・ジョンソンの体験談では、砂漠で出会った若い女性の目が真っ黒になった際、　」 の事例の若い女性の場合は（最初は普通の目で、途中から目が solid black に変化して見えた…のではなく）、その若い女が振り向いたら時には既に solid black に見えたということですね？

AI

はい、その理解で正しいです。 ジャック・ケアリーとJC・ジョンソンの体験談では、砂漠で若い女性を見かけ、車を停めて声をかけたところ、彼女が振り向いて彼らを直接見た時、彼らは彼女の目が完全に真っ黒であることに気づきました。 ソースの記述では、女性が「振り向いて彼らを見たとき、彼らは彼女の目が完全に真っ黒であることに気づいた」とされています。これは、彼女の目がその瞬間に既に真っ黒であったことを示唆しており、通常の目から真っ黒な目へと変化する様子を直接目撃したという記述はありません。

Black Eyed Kids（BEK）現象の報告の中には、ご指摘の通り、通常の目の人物の目が突然真っ黒に変化する「シェイプシフト」現象として報告されているケースも存在します。ハワイでの夕食中の事例や、ジャック・ケアリーとJC・ジョンソンの事例で目が真っ黒になった若い女性のような、黒い目の大人の目撃談が増えているとデビッド・ウェザリー氏は述べています。 しかし、このジャック・ケアリーとJC・ジョンソンの特定の事例においては、**「目が変化する様子を観察した」というよりは、「振り向いて目が合った瞬間に、その目が既に完全に真っ黒であったと認識した」**という形で語られています。

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以下の、

  • 米軍兵士の帰還: 中東からの帰還兵が、Djinnに関連するような奇妙な超常現象（ポルターガイスト現象、幻聴など）を経験している報告が増加。彼らは中東で Djinn が宿っているとされる品物を持ち帰っていることが多い。

という話に注目。これは

46:00 ごろに語られてる hitchhiker effect についても整理して。

AI

インタビュー動画の文字起こしソースによれば、46:00頃に語られている「hitchhiker effect（ヒッチハイカー効果）」は、スキンウォーカー・ランチやその周辺地域に関連する異常現象の一つとして言及されています。

「hitchhiker effect」について語られている主な内容は以下の通りです。

  • この地域に行く際の重要な注意点として、「何も家へ持ち帰らないこと」が挙げられています。
  • それは「矢じりや木の枝のような小さなもの」であっても同様です。
  • 文字通りの物質的な物体（literal material objects）を家へ持ち帰った人々は、この「ヒッチハイカー効果」によって、異常現象が指数関数的に追いかけてくるように見えるとライアン氏は述べています。

つまり、「ヒッチハイカー効果」とは、スキンウォーカー・ランチなどの高次ストレンジネスが発生する地域から物質的な何かを持ち帰ると、その異常現象が持ち帰った人物についてきて、その頻度や強さが指数関数的に増幅されるように見える現象を指しているようです。このため、地域を訪れる際には、何かを持ち帰ることを避けるように注意されています。

ref: Ryan Burns : Skinwalker ranch に隣接する所有地で起きた怪事件 (2025-05-20)

と同じことを述べている。つまり、hitchhiker effect だと解釈できる。では、その持ち帰った「品物」に何か霊的なものが取り憑いてるのか？

私はそのようには考えない。

身の回りにそういったブツ（土産物）が置かれていることで、日常的に目に入り、Skinwalker なり中東の戦地の記憶が刺激される。それによってその品物を目にする本人やその家族が「呪い」の類を意識下で気にする。それが怪奇現象を誘発させるのだろう。

言わば、魔除け用の御札の類（＝単なる紙切れに落書きしたモノ）の効用を信じる意識が PSI 現象を抑止するのと同じ原理だが、方向は逆（＝誘発 対 抑止）。

ポルターガイスト現象は、その家の住人（特に思春期の子供）が無自覚で引き起こしている PSI 現象だ…という説が超心理学者の間では多いが、それと関連する話だと推測する。

文字起こし

（以下は ラジオ/ネット 放送 "COAST TO COAST AM" の文字起こしです。タイトルは "The Djinn, Slenderman, & the Black Eyed Kids - The Real Insidious Entities" で、ゲストは David Weatherly です。彼は、Black Eyed Kids に関する調査結果をまとめて本を出版しました。

この文字起こしから、主要な事実や、事例、体験談を整理して。）

A number of topics chill me, but man, the one about black-eyed children just sends me for a loop. David Weatherly has been investigating paranormal subjects for more than 35 years. All over the country and abroad. He has written on a diverse range of topics. Cryptozoology, UFOs, hauntings. He's an expert on the black-eyed children. (0:01:36)

David, this is always scary. How are you? Good evening, George. Thanks for having me on again. Always great to chat with you. My pleasure. For the new people who come to Coast to Coast, and we get lots of them. When we hear black-eyed children, they're probably saying, what's that? Give us a little overview. The people who are encountering them are still saying, what's that? (0:01:57)

Essentially, a short description. These are children who are showing up at people's homes, places of business. They're approaching cars and parking lots. They're generally described as being somewhere between 10 years old and the early teens. They're described as having very pale skin, monotone voices, and of course, completely solid black eyes. Hence the term that we now commonly associate with them, black-eyed children, or BKs, black-eyed kids. What happens typically in these encounters is that these children will approach a person, and they will ask for something. (0:02:40)

They'll knock on someone's door and ask to come in out of the rain or come in for a drink of water. Often the phrases are very odd. We just thought we'd stop in for a while. And these are children that the resident has never seen before in their life. Yeah, they're not like neighborhood kids, right? No, not at all. Not at all. Typically, when they approach, they are sort of holding their heads down, so they're not making direct eye contact initially. (0:03:08)

And people describe a growing sense of concern initially. Obviously, it's a child, so it sort of takes people off guard. We're sort of hardwired to help children if they're asking for something. Are there ever any black-eyed parents with them? You know, it's interesting you ask that, George. There are a couple of cases that have come to light where adults are appearing with these children. And actually, something I thought we'd talk about a little bit tonight is the fact that there are a growing number of accounts now of black-eyed adults showing up and approaching people. Just completely without the children. (0:03:49)

Now, that's sort of interesting because really the first significant modern case of these black-eyed children goes back to 1996 with a gentleman named Brian Bethel. It's probably the most famous encounter at this point. (0:04:03)

And his encounter occurred in Texas in 1996, and he had a situation where these two kids approached him in a parking lot. And he was sitting in his car writing a check, and they approached his car window and started asking him for a ride. They said they wanted to see a movie, and he had the sense of mind to look up at the marquee and realize that the movie was pretty far into the last showing, and it didn't make any sense what these kids were asking. (0:04:31)

And he had this sense of concern that accelerated. He started feeling short of breath. He was very nervous. And suddenly, these kids make eye contact. And he realizes that they've got solid black eyes, no whites at all. And at that point, the fear just sort of spikes. He throws the car in reverse, and he gets out of the parking lot as quick as he can. (0:04:56)

Interesting enough, as he's pulling out of the parking lot, he looks in the rearview mirror, and these kids have vanished. And that's very typical in these encounters. People will slam the door on these children when they reach that peak of fear, and they just want to get away from them. They'll go over and look out the window, and these kids have vanished. You know, they're nowhere to be seen. (0:05:15)

David, what happens if you let them into your house, or if you let them into the car? You know, there's one really significant case that is covered in my book, wherein a child was, a black-eyed child was in a, for lack of a better word, a victim's car. And that particular incident, I don't remember if we've spoken about it before or not, but essentially what happened was a woman had her 10-year-old child in the backseat of her car, live in a small town. (0:05:46)

She's on her way home. She stops by the convenience store, jumps out, leaving her child in the car, you know, goes in to grab her loaf of bread or milk or whatever, comes back out. And this really will creep you out, George. You know, you can imagine... Just what I need today. We've all been there sort of on autopilot. She jumps back in the car, tossing the groceries in the passenger seat, turns over the engine, and as she does, she's automatically looking in the rearview mirror to check on her child. (0:06:17)

And when she does that, staring back at her in the rearview mirror is a little boy with solid black eyes sitting directly behind her son. Now, that's sort of odd to begin with. He's sitting in the middle of the backseat as opposed to on the passenger side in the backseat, as a normal person would probably do. So he's making physical contact with this young boy. (0:06:42)

Her fear spikes immediately. She really just... She goes from, you know, complete calm to instant fear in a matter of seconds, jumps out of the vehicle, yanks open the back door and pulls her son out and runs back in the convenience store. (0:06:57)

Now, she gets inside and she's sort of, you know, stuttering and stammering. The clerk has rushed around knowing something's wrong and all she can get out is that there's somebody in her car. The clerk rushes out. There's the vehicle, both doors standing open. No one around. No sign of a child, no sign of anyone else. It's a very open parking lot. This child would have had to bend the flash to get away and out of sight from the situation. (0:07:28)

So the aftermath of this encounter was that this woman was so frightened she wouldn't admit to the clerk what had happened. She didn't know what to say. And all she wanted to do was call her husband and have him come up to the store. They didn't live very far away. Now, she didn't explain what had happened to her husband over the telephone, just that she needed him to come up there and she would explain it all when they got home. (0:07:56)

So he comes up to the store. They switch vehicles because she doesn't even want to get back in her vehicle. He drives her vehicle back to the house. On the way home, he's in a wreck and totals the car. So he ends up in the hospital. Fortunately, he had what turned out to be fairly minor injuries. They kept him for observation for possible concussion and so forth. (0:08:24)

He has no recollection of what happened, except that the last thing he can remember was smelling a foul odor in the vehicle. Now, the wife didn't relate this aspect. She didn't remember a smell, but he remembered something. The people at the hospital concluded, oh, well, it must have been some kind of a gas leak or something that caused you to pass out. Now, the further disturbing aspect to this encounter was that here we have this 10-year-old boy who had let this black eyed child in the vehicle. (0:09:00)

And when the mother finally talks to him and she says, she's trying not to alarm the child who doesn't really get what's going on, what's the problem here. She talks to her son and she says, you know, do you know that boy from school? And the response was, no, mommy, I don't know him. And they just pressed him more for, you know, why did he get in the car? (0:09:23)

The son says, well, I thought we could go to my house and play. Oh, great. So, you know, here's this innocent child, you know, just seeing a potential playmate. Sure. Lets this black eyed kid in the vehicle, has essentially physical contact with him. The disturbing aspect, George, is that this 10-year-old boy became ill. They took him to the doctors, of course. And when they did, the doctors began to attempt to diagnose what was wrong with this child. (0:09:56)

And I bet they had no idea. Well, the issue was the symptoms kept changing. They thought at one point this child had the measles because he broke out in a rash. (0:10:06)

You know, okay, we've got it figured out. That's what it is. The, you know, what appears to be measles goes away. They thought he had a virus. They thought he had appendicitis. They're completely puzzled because every time they think they figure something out, his symptoms change. The parents, you know, eventually, obviously just get very frustrated. And, you know, they're still frightened for their child. (0:10:34)

And they end up taking the child home and trying to decide what to do. And over the course of how all this played out, they ended up just sort of having calling on friends and family and having prayer visuals for this child and sort of going back to a more spiritual lifestyle which they had not had before. They were not, you know, strongly religious people when all this happened. (0:10:57)

Did it work for them? It did. David, these children, these black-eyed children, where do you think they're coming from? Oh, wow, that's a big question. My personal theory is I think these are some type of interdimensional creatures, for lack of a better word. I don't think they're children at all. I think they're something that is able to assume the form of a child in order to catch people off guard. (0:11:28)

And, you know, we're starting to see some interesting things in science now. Science has been talking about other dimensions and parallel universes and so forth quite a bit the last few years. It used to be science fiction. And now quantum theorists are talking about, no, we know there are other dimensions of existence. And, you know, we're just not sure how to get to them. (0:11:50)

But that doesn't mean that whatever's there doesn't know how to get here. When you go back to old tribal and cultural lore from around the world, you find very similar things. You know, people that, ancient peoples that talk about these beings that used to live here. And at some point they left, whether they left through a shimmering doorway or a hole in the sky or, you know, perhaps in a craft. (0:12:16)

And I think what they were trying to interpret was that they were seeing something that went into another level, another dimensional existence. And I really think that that's what we're seeing at this point. And a lot of portal areas around the world and people in the paranormal have been talking about this for years. People like John Keel, window areas where a lot of strange things happen in a collected space. (0:12:45)

And that those are possibly points of entry for these things. Wonderman started out essentially as an internet meme. It was created by all evidence on a forum called Something Awful. And the goal was to essentially fabricate some type of paranormal topic that could be portrayed as genuine and made to go viral on the internet. And initially in the beginning stages of this contest, there were a lot of different people photoshopping cryptids and UFOs and so forth. (0:13:26)

And this guy came up with a very sort of subtle idea of this character that eventually became called Slender Man. And it was depicted as a tall, thin figure in black that sort of lurked in the background. (0:13:43)

You know, he was loosely associated with school fires and disappearances of children and so forth. And what happened was the whole thread was taken over by the Slender Man topic, and other people started contributing. And they essentially built an entire mythology around this thing. Now, there are some arguments that they essentially based this on some older lore from different places around the world. (0:14:12)

There's a figure in Europe called the Schwarzman, the Dark Man. And there's another one called the Tall Man. So essentially some similarities with those figures. But we may be looking at something even more disturbing when it comes down to it. And this is something I've been talking about for a few years now. It's the idea of a Tulpa. And a Tulpa essentially is something that is created through the powers of the human mind. (0:14:41)

And this goes pretty far back to ancient Tibetan beliefs. And essentially this idea that through meditation and focus and concentrating a tremendous amount of energy, that something could be created into the physical. It would go through stages of first being something existing only in the individual's mind. Then it would start to appear as a ghostly form, you know, an apparition. And if the process continued, then it eventually would be able to take on full physical form. (0:15:18)

Now, Slender Man may be something similar to that, in that we may be seeing something created by the collective consciousness. Because when they released this on the internet, there were, you know, God knows how many people who believed this was a genuine phenomenon. And people started believing they were seeing or encountering the Slender Man. In fact, I know that your show, in fact, received some sort of panic calls at one point. (0:15:50)

Sure. People, you know, claiming they had encounters with the Slender Man. So, you know, we could be looking at a couple of different possibilities here. It could be a Tulpa being created into existence through the collective consciousness and the massive amount of fear that people are projecting into this thing. Or it could be that what we're seeing is some other type of entity who's able to take the guise of the Slender Man in order to, you know, play on people's fears of this thing. (0:16:22)

Do you think it's possible that something can be manifested by the human mind if enough people participate in it? I mean, we've seen what has happened with intention experiments where the collective consciousness affects things, maybe changes the weather, alters the direction of a tornado or something. Is it possible, and you were touching on this a little bit, can we manifest Slender Man? I think that the human mind has abilities that we've barely touched on. (0:16:56)

And when you, again, going back to some older cultures, when you look at people like the ancient Tibetans and their ideas of what the human consciousness and mind are capable of, ultimately, yes, I absolutely think it's possible. (0:17:11)

When it comes to the whole Tulpa aspect, there are some pretty fascinating things that have experiments that have been done out there. You know, there's the famous Philip experiment, wherein a group of people decided that they wanted to essentially create a spirit. And what they did was they got together and they created an entire backstory for this figure. And they put in some things that were not quite historically accurate. (0:17:41)

They created a whole tragic personal story for him, and then they proceeded to attempt to contact him. Now, what occurred is a series of communications from this supposed spirit named Philip, and he started revealing information about people at the table that no one else knew. Now, you know, that gets pretty mind-bending when you start looking at, you know, where is this information coming from? Is this, again, people projecting their collective consciousness into transmitting the message, or have they created something or contacted something that is, you know, assuming that form and utilizing the information? (0:18:33)

You know, the experiments got to the point where they were doing things like levitating the table, causing it to move around, knocking sounds, a lot of typical spiritualist-oriented phenomena. But it's really amazing when you look at the results that they were getting based on essentially creating a spirit. Tell me a little bit about your work with the djinn, which is quite prevalent in the Middle East. Oh boy, yeah, that's a deep, deep rabbit hole. (0:19:13)

And interesting enough, you know, when I wrote the Black Eyed Children book in 2012 is when it came out, there was a chapter in there on the djinn. And in the aftermath of that book coming out, I had more people contact me about the djinn than I did anything else in the book, George, even the Black Eyed Children. I just had a huge outpouring of people asking questions and wanting more information about the djinn. And I sort of danced around the subject for a while. (0:19:41)

It's something that I had some experience with back in the 90s and had always been very fascinated by them. And when I started digging more into it, it gets more and more disturbing the deeper you go into this thing. It's interesting because Rosemary Guiley, I spoke with her last year about the fact that I had decided I would probably write a book on the djinn. (0:20:04)

And she said, well, you know, one, I think you're the perfect person to write a book on them. But two, you know, I got to warn you, it's not something that is an easy thing to do. And as we know, you know, Rosemary has written extensively on the djinn. And boy, she was not kidding. They do not like to be observed. (0:20:27)

They do not like to be looked at. And, in my opinion, they're one of the most important things that we can be studying within the paranormal right now, simply because, for one thing, there's so much growing contact with the Middle East and with the Muslim world. And, you know, we've got Western troops who have been in the Middle East now since the first Gulf War, you know, rotating in and out. And these guys are coming home. (0:20:53)

And a lot of them are bringing things back with them. The djinn are ancient at their core. This goes back to the very beginnings of Islam. And something I always tell people, you know, a couple of things. One is that in the West, we're sort of preconditioned to think this is a joke, because you say djinn, first of all, people often aren't sure what you're talking about. (0:21:17)

You have to clarify, okay, in the West, it's often called a genie. And then you usually get a laugh, because if they're closer to our generation, they're thinking of Barbara Eden and the crazy harem thing, screwing up all of her magic. Sin bad in the seven seas or something. (0:21:31)

Right, right. Or they're thinking of the Disney cartoon with the big blue genie who grants wishes. And, boy, you couldn't be further from the truth as to what these things actually are. They're very sinister. They have an agenda all their own. I believe once again, we're talking about essentially other dimensional beings, because in the lore of the djinn, it talks about them being banished. The original creation story within Islam is that God or Allah, as they call him, created three sentient races. He created humans, he created angels, and he created djinn. (0:22:14)

And when he ordered the angels and the djinn to bow down to the superiority of men, the djinn refused. And because of that, they were banished. Now, the djinn are seen as being immensely powerful within that world. The powers that are attributed to them are vast. They're able to shift their shape. They can take on the form of another person. They can take on the voice of your dead grandmother. (0:22:52)

They can assume the form of animals. They can turn invisible. They can travel across the world in the blink of an eye. They have a vast range of powers. And they have immense anger towards humans because they feel like it was humanity that caused them to be banished. Will they hurt people? They will. (0:23:20)

They're very insidious, the way they operate. A Sufi once described them to me as essentially saying they were like a spider. They would spin a web and weave it around a person to lure them in more and more until it was just too late. And I tell you, George, I've spoken to people, I've spoken to returning servicemen who, you know, they come back from the Middle East and they start experiencing very strange paranormal phenomena in their homes, poltergeist-like phenomena, things flying across the room or off the shelves or they'll typically, you know, they'll start hearing voices and they'll say, I started getting psychic information from my father who's been deceased for 20 years, but I know it's him. (0:24:08)

I know his voice. And he told me to go here to get a better job and to do this and do that. And initially, this information is very empowering. It seems to help the person. But then it sort of takes a turn because they have woven the person into their web and then it becomes all about control. Whatever happened to the three wishes? (0:24:28)

You know, that legend actually comes from, especially in the medieval period, in the West, what we had was a lot of people practicing magic, attempting to, quote, bind demons or summon demons to do their will. And in the East, what you find is a lot of magicians or sorcerers were attempting to summon djinn and bind them to objects. And this is where the whole legend of the genie and the lamp likely comes from, because these magicians were calling djinn in, binding them to, for instance, a ring, which they would in turn sell to a wealthy person and say, here's a ring that a powerful djinn is trapped in and it will do your bidding. (0:25:27)

So, you know, it's very interesting because what happens inevitably with a lot of these modern stories of these servicemen returning, I hear them say, well, you know, yeah, there was this necklace I bought in a market when I was in the Middle East, and I thought the guy was kidding. (0:25:47)

He said it had a powerful djinn in it. Or they're bringing souvenirs back that they found in deserted locations and so forth. And this is a very serious thing. It's very serious, you know, and it's difficult to get people to realize that we're not talking about the comical genies. We're talking about something that... Are they almost like devils? (0:26:01)

They sort of are. It's hard to equate them exactly with Western traditions, but they are close in some ways to, you know, the Western idea, the Catholic idea of demons. Now, you know, they, as I said, they have a very strong agenda. And one of the things to remember, going back to group consciousness again, is that I always tell people, bear in mind, if you're a Muslim, by default, you believe in the existence of djinn. (0:26:37)

Because Islam says, you know, if it's written in the Quran, then it has to be true. And if you don't believe that, then you're not a good Muslim. So, you know, we've got millions and millions, you know, in the United States alone, we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 to 5 million Muslims. So just in this country alone, 3 to 5 million people who, guess what, believe in the existence of the djinn. (0:27:04)

Yeah, that is incredible. David, I want to talk about some of your future projects when we come back. But would you give out your websites, please? Oh, sure. The books are available at leprechaunpress.com. And the best way to follow my work is twocrowsparanormal.blogspot.com. You'll see stories. There's a link to my Facebook page and all that stuff on there. These cases are increasing dramatically over the last few years. (0:27:28)

And really the best way to sort of convey what this phenomenon is about is to sort of give you an atypical experience that people are having. Someone comes home from work, they're, you know, sort of settling into their evening routine, and they hear a knock at the door. These children never use doorbells for some reason. It's always this long, persistent knock without a break at all. (0:27:52)

Just sort of annoys people from the get-go. They go to the door. When they open it, they'll find anywhere from one to two, sometimes three children standing on their steps. Usually, these kids are sort of standing with their heads looking down at the ground or their shoes. And they're often dressed in very drab clothing, hoodies and jeans. (0:28:20)

When the person opens the door, these children will issue a statement, something to the effect of, hey, we just want to come in for a bit. And what people always report with this is sort of three stages of the experience. When they open the door and see these children, they're automatically uneasy for some reason. (0:28:42)

Yeah, they're creeped out, aren't they? Yeah, there's just something... they know right away that something's not right. And as they try to dialogue with these kids and ask the children questions, all they get are these repeated phrases in a very monotone voice, over and over and over again, things like, just let us in. This won't take long. These children are trying to get an invitation into the person's home. (0:29:05)

And during the course of the encounter, the victim, for lack of a better word, becomes more and more uneasy, nervous. And at some point, these children will look up and make eye contact. (0:29:21)

And that's when the person realizes that they're looking at a child with solid black eyes. Now, let me be clear, this is not just a black or dark pupil. It's the entire sclera, the entire eye is solid black, much like the depictions of the alien greys that are so popular. At that point, it usually sort of pushes the person over the edge and their flight instinct kicks in. (0:29:50)

They'll slam the door. They'll run away from these kids. All they can think about is just getting away from these children as quickly as they can. You know, these children, do they always come in pairs? No, there are a good number of cases where there's only one child. How tall are they, David? Is this the size of a kid? Yes. They're just, you know, I always ask, of course, a whole wide range of questions when I interview people who've had these encounters. (0:30:21)

And the age bracket that I hear most often is that these appear to be children between 10 and 13 years of age. Other than the black eyes, do they look normal? Yes and no. Here's some of the odd facts about these encounters. The children seem to have very pale skin. Some people describe it as pasty. Some people say that it looks unnatural. (0:30:54)

You know, one of the curious things I've found is I always ask, did you notice any kind of blemish on this child's skin? Now, bear in mind, these are, you know, preteens and teenage kids, supposedly, so we would expect some acne, some, you know, pimples here and there, freckles, something. But no one ever sees any kind of blemish on the skin of these children. It's always just a pale, pasty, white skin. The eyes are solid black. (0:31:18)

The tone of voice, you know, people say that it's very cold, that it's very monotone. Some people report that it seems as if these children have memorized a set of phrases and they just keep repeating them again and again and again. So these are some of the common things that we find occur in these encounters. (0:31:42)

Now, do they have any pupils at all in the eyes or are they just all black? It's just solid black. That's weird. It's very creepy. Do the eyes look like, not necessarily in size, but I mean, do they look like the alien greys that so many people describe? As far as the eyes themselves, that sort of glistening black, that's what people report in regards to these children. (0:32:08)

Now, the eyes are not oversized, however. You know, in every other apparent physical aspect, these look like normal children, you know, except for the pale skin. But the eyes, they're normal size, but they are that solid, glossy black that we often hear in accounts of the alien greys. These creatures, are they happening, are they showing up all over the country or all over the planet? George, it's worldwide at this point. (0:32:40)

Worldwide? It's worldwide. When I first started looking into this phenomena, naturally, I was discovering a lot of accounts from the United States. And, of course, I started looking for any kind of cluster to see if it was focused on any particular region or, you know, always looking for patterns when investigating these type of topics. And initially, I thought, okay, this is a US-based phenomena. (0:33:11)

It seems to be focused around a couple of different areas in the States that had a large number of accounts. But the more I explored it and the more I started getting, you know, contacted from people and collecting these accounts, I found out that, no, there are accounts from other countries too. You know, I have accounts from places as far apart as Canada, Australia, South Africa, the UK. They're showing up everywhere. (0:33:36)

And, George, these things are increasing at a dramatic rate because every day I get people contacting me with accounts. And I'm not the only investigator, you know, who's collecting these things. Other people are sort of tracking this, and they're hearing different accounts than the ones that I received. David, do people actually let them in their houses? That's extremely rare. (0:34:00)

There's one chapter in the book that explores an invitation that led to a black-eyed child entering. Now, we can get into that. It's a bit of a long story. But for the most part, no, the flight instinct kicks in because, as I said, people sort of go through three stages. They're initially uneasy. (0:34:29)

It quickly goes to being very nervous, and that quickly develops to outright fear. And, George, all I can think about is getting away from these kids. On those kids that enter the house, what do they do? It appears from the data that I have collected, the closer the proximity of these children, the more unfortunate the results. (0:34:57)

For instance, there are accounts of people who have touched one of these children or been touched by one of them, and the results are pretty nasty. People report illnesses, a whole string of bad luck, just very disturbing things happening in their lives. There was a gentleman in New Orleans who had close contact with a pair of these children, and almost immediately afterwards, his sister passed away. (0:35:26)

Now, we sort of take a step back from that, and we have to wonder, are these children creating these circumstances, or are they some kind of weird omen similar to, for instance, the Mothman or other paranormal entities that seem to foreshadow unfortunate events? So they may be just there foretelling some kind of tragedy. They may be, or that may just be one aspect of these beings, whatever they are. (0:35:54)

I don't believe for a moment that they're actually children, obviously. Might they be demons? That's a popular theory. In fact, the two most popular opinions that you'll hear about these kids is that they are either some kind of demonic entity or that they are alien hybrids. Okay, that's a possibility. How do they end up leaving the house, or if they don't come in, how do they end up leaving? (0:36:23)

Well, they simply seem to vanish. You know, I have accounts of law enforcement officers who encounter these kids, turn their heads for just a few seconds to knock on a door, they turn back, and these children have vanished. They're gone. They're gone. People didn't see them going down the sidewalk, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. I'm told that they have some kind of odor to them. (0:36:56)

In a portion of the cases, they do. Probably in the accounts that I've collected, maybe somewhere between 20 and 30 percent of the cases, this is reported. It's reported as being the most foul odor that you could ever imagine. You know, people report it as being something akin to sulfur, which we know is often associated with demonic activity. People report it as the smell of something rotting, of decay. (0:37:26)

And there are some strange things that occur with that. You know, there are people who have encountered these kids, been in close proximity, and found that the odor has permeated their clothing after they've encountered these kids, and they have an extremely difficult time getting that smell out. (0:37:41)

Could they be coming back from the dead? You know, we get into some almost mythological territory when we start talking about that. You know, when I lecture about this, I do present a section that talks about vampires. And, you know, sometimes that'll get a chuckle from people, because we all know that there aren't really vampires running around sucking people's blood. Are they upset when they don't get their own way? (0:38:06)

Actually, they do not exhibit anything that would say that. It's very curious to me, George, that it seems as if the whole goal of these encounters is to create this high level of fear in the victim. I think, in fact, that these children are getting what they're setting out to achieve, and that's creating this spike of fear, because in almost all of the encounters, once the person reaches that flight mode, and they're, you know, terrified, these kids vanish. (0:38:53)

It's almost as if mission accomplished. And, you know, that sort of implies to me that these beings, whatever they are, are feeding off of that emotional energy. Now, has anybody been physically hurt? Directly? Not directly by the children, no. There hasn't been any kind of assault. You know, these children are very... it's strange, because, you know, they actually hardly move around at all. (0:39:18)

You know, they just sort of stand there. And in some ways, that makes the encounters all the more creepy. You know, there are no accounts of these children trying to barge into a home or force their way in. They just keep repeating these things in a monotone voice. And, in fact, some people, you know, report that they believe these children are trying to exert some type of hypnosis or mind control. (0:39:48)

I had a very interesting account given to me by a woman who had used hypnotherapy to stop smoking. And she told me that when she started seeing a therapist, she actually had a hard time going into a hypnotic state. So it took a little bit of time in working with this therapist. And she said that she had developed a very specific feeling that indicated to her that she was going into a hypnotic state. (0:40:13)

When she encountered a pair of black-eyed children, when they started speaking and repeating these phrases over and over again, she started to feel that. And, of course, it set off, you know, her alarm bells. And she said, wait a minute, what's going on here? It made her all the more frightened. And, of course, she got away from these children. But she's convinced that they were trying to exert some type of hypnosis on her. (0:40:34)

Any reports of these children reacting with animals, cats, dogs? Oh, yes. There's a very fascinating account that came out of Texas. It's not in the book, because it was... I met this gentleman after the book was already published. This fellow, he comes home from the store. He's walking up to his door. He's got a couple of bags of groceries and has his typical in these accounts. (0:41:00)

Just as he's opening the door, he suddenly realizes there's a child standing on the ground next to his steps. And this fellow, he turns and he looks at this kid who stares up at him right away and says to this fellow, is it food time? This gentleman was so stunned, he couldn't even react. You know, he's just sort of standing there looking at this kid. (0:41:27)

But he's hearing in the background his pit bull that he raised from a puppy, three years old, charging through the house, glances into the door and sees that pit bull charging down the hallway. It's solid wood floors, George. When this dog tearing down the hall, just snarling and barking, almost reaches the door, he puts the brakes on. (0:41:55)

And it's literally like a Scooby-Doo cartoon. This dog tumbled over itself onto the steps, got up as quick as it could. This dog was now terrified. Tail between his legs, head down, whining, running back in the house, getting away from this kid as quickly as he could. (0:42:08)

With no reaction from the kid, I bet. No. The kid just stood there, start still, repeated his phrase to this man, I think it's food time, you should invite me in. The pit bull, George, has never been the same since then. This man raised that dog to be a guard dog. He watched it kill rattlesnakes with its teeth. (0:42:35)

And he'd never seen this dog back down from anything. It was terrified just being in the presence of this kid. And it's permanently altered. The dog is just not the same animal anymore. David, what do these kids wear when they show up? Most of the reports say that they're wearing a very drab clothing, you know, in tones that are sort of, you know, muted, dark browns, blacks, grays. (0:42:59)

Occasionally we hear reports where people will say that the clothing looks old-fashioned. I've heard the term Amish repeated a few times, or handmade, or hand-me-down, you know, ill-fitting clothing we often hear. And, you know, do they have hair or are they bald? Baldish. No, they have hair. They do have hair. Big eyes, pasty looking, mm-hmm, normal kid size. (0:43:27)

But here's something else curious, George. No one else has ever, no one has ever reported a cell phone, an iPod, a watch. I mean, face it, you go to any place where... Every kid has something. Exactly. You know, they're all wired. They've all got a headset on or they're texting or something. (0:43:48)

No, none of these kids have ever been seen with anything like that. How did this first come about? What were the first early cases about these things? There's two answers for that. The modern wave of these sightings was sort of instigated in the late 90s. A journalist out of Texas named Brian Bethel posted his encounter with a pair of these black eyed kids in a parking lot. (0:44:17)

He posted it on the internet and it struck a chord with people. You know, it was the first story, appears to be the first story that was posted on the internet about these children and people just really responded to it. Other people started jumping in and saying, oh my gosh, I've seen something like this. (0:44:31)

This is what happened to me. And it sort of went through waves since then. You know, I got involved really researching it in the early 2000s and every couple of years it seems there's another spike in the activity until about the last three to four years, which it just seems to be nonstop. There are more and more of these accounts all the time. (0:44:56)

Now, when I was researching for the book, I started digging back and found that there are older accounts. There are some pretty amazing accounts that go back. There's an amazing one from 1950 and even earlier accounts that predate the internet and television and everything else. The trick was that you had to go back and look for these beings under a different guise because the term black-eyed kid, B-E-K, black-eyed children, these are the modern phrases we use to describe these beings. (0:45:31)

What I found when I found older accounts is you had to bear in mind that you needed to look through the cultural lens of the people in the time period as to how they would identify these creatures. Are there any UFO reports associated with these kids showing up? Very few. Very, very few. There's a percentage of these accounts that come from people who claim they are abductees and believe that these children are hybrid beings. (0:46:00)

I've had people report to me that they've had an encounter with a black-eyed child and they're convinced that it was their hybrid child because they've been abducted off and on for 30 years and so forth. But outside of that small little subset of these accounts, no, there's not other paranormal activity, be it UFOs or hauntings or anything else. Well, you bring up something interesting. (0:46:24)

I wonder if they're showing up at the home of the mother or father that may have been the donor, and they didn't know that, of course, or whether they're just randomly picking people. (0:46:36)

What do you think about that? That's a very curious possibility. You know, it's very strange to me. As I said before, I always look for patterns. And when I first started collecting these accounts, I was a bit befuddled that there just weren't any clear patterns. You know, there's no commonality in the victims. There's nothing that – it's a wide range of ethnic background, religious belief, age, and so forth. (0:47:10)

But what I did find after a time was that there are a large percentage of people who are encountering these children that work in a position of authority. So I have a lot of accounts from law enforcement officers, military personnel, government employees. And it's very interesting. You know, these are often jobs that are high stress, take an incredible amount of time and commitment. (0:47:42)

And we have to think about how that applies into these encounters, and why those people exactly. Those that are reporting seeing these black-eyed children, and they leave – now you're talking about how some of them vanish, disappear – do they, like some church people, go door to door, or do they disappear entirely? I mean, have they been known to go to other houses in the neighborhood? (0:48:07)

No. Actually, the accounts are usually very isolated. You know, it will be a situation where they appear to one particular person in the neighborhood, and that's the only time that this type of encounter is ever reported from that general area. What about adults? Are there black-eyed adults? There are. (0:48:34)

And, you know, when I wrote the book, I focused on the children specifically because there are a lot more of those encounters. When we get into black-eyed adults, we do find more of those that are, you know, possible hoaxes or other things going on. But there are a growing number of accounts of black-eyed adults that seem to be valid encounters, very strange behaviors. (0:48:54)

And the other thing that's been happening since the book has come out, I've had an incredible number of reports from people who are witnessing a person who appears completely normal. Sometimes it's someone they've known for, you know, a period of time. They will see the eyes shift to solid black right in front of them. (0:49:22)

Shapeshifting. Yes, you know, you could use that term, although nothing else is changing. You know, the facial structure, everything else, just the eyes turn solid black. And this is something that, in fact, there's a whole chapter on this in my new book, which will be out in a couple of months. And it's very interesting. I'm not sure how it connects to the black-eyed children phenomenon. (0:49:49)

There's a lot of speculation that other investigators and I have talked about, you know, and the potential that, you know, maybe these children are just learning to blend in to the human world. And it takes time before they can assume that completely correct human form, so to speak. Well, with David Weatherly, his latest book, The Black-Eyed Children, David, you were earlier talking about vampires and vampirism. (0:50:11)

How does that connect with these kids? You know, let me be clear. I'm not saying that I believe these kids are vampires. I think it's very fascinating to look at this from, you know, sort of a folklore perspective. And we have to look at the correlations and try to understand more about this phenomena. (0:50:31)

Obviously, you know, when you get back into classic, you know, vampire mythos, one of the things that stands out is a vampire traditionally can't enter a household unless he's invited in. And we find that happening with these children. You know, there are no accounts of them entering a home or a car or anything else uninvited, but they try to get that invitation. This comes up time and time again, and that's classic vampire lore. (0:51:03)

So is this, you know, this weird smell, this disgusting stench that is associated with black-eyed children a percentage of the time. That's something else we find in traditional vampire lore. A lot of people have forgotten some of these things because, you know, the public has gotten fascinated with the sort of sparkly, teenage, angst vampires, you know, that are all romance-centered. And that's not real vampire lore at all, you know, originally. (0:51:34)

These were creatures that were literally something that had crawled out of the grave. They were dead beings that had reanimated. And I think we have to look at the correlations between that lore and some of the things with the black-eyed children in order to understand possibly what's going on here because we're looking at some primal fears for people, you know. (0:52:04)

And I always say you can't really completely understand what's going on in these encounters with these children until you start thinking about the psychological aspect. As adults, we're hardwired to help a child. If a child shows up at your door, Jordan, and says, I need to use your phone or I need some water, you're probably going to do whatever you can to help this child. (0:52:27)

Oh, yeah, absolutely. But there's something else going on in these encounters because this child is expressing a need, whether it's to come in for the phone or the bathroom or whatever. And at the same time, there's this undercurrent of fear within the person who's encountering this child. And it causes a psychological battle to unfold within this person. I hear this time and again how confused the person was because they're thinking logically, this is a child, I should help him, but something's wrong. (0:53:00)

I'm frightened, but it's just a kid. What do I do? David, has there ever been a case where, let's say, parents come home and they've left their kids there and the kids have let the black-eyed kids in? I haven't heard any cases like that, no. Okay, we don't want that. Do they normally show up alone or with another child? They're often by themselves. There are plenty of accounts where there are two of them. (0:53:24)

More often we see that they're boys, but there are some occasions where there'll be a boy and a girl. And there are a small handful of cases where there are more than two of them. There's a bizarre case from London where they actually multiplied as the gentleman was standing there having this encounter with them. How are they dressed? (0:53:44)

There's some variation. Some people say that they're dressed in what they describe as baggy or shabby clothes that look like they're not quite the right size, they're not fitting quite right. And we're not talking about the style that some of the young people wear these days. They're saying, no, the clothes look sort of old-fashioned, but they look like they're not quite the right size. So it's weird. (0:54:16)

We get into some similarities with the men in black encounters when we go into some of these things, the monotone speech, the lack of understanding of what something common is. There's a really kind of an amusing incident where a woman heard someone knocking on her door, and they always knock, which is kind of unsettling. Never the doorbell, huh? Right. And this particular woman, she was in the middle of trying to finish some particular project, and she just had a couple of things to put in place, and this knocking would not stop. (0:54:45)

It's just this consistent, long knock. And finally, she got frustrated. She threw the stuff down. She rushed to the door. She flung the door open. And before she even recognized she was standing there, she said, why didn't you use the blank doorbell, pointing to the doorbell? Well, here are these kids. (0:55:10)

And this child looks from her to the doorbell back to her as if he has no concept of what she's talking about. You know, what do you mean doorbell? And then, of course, you know, she has the encounter unfolds, and she realizes the children have black eyes, and she can't get the door shut fast enough at that point. How would you rate the United States in terms of numbers of reports compared to these other places? (0:55:35)

You know, it's pretty high. But I think that that is in due part to the fact that the paranormal has sort of become part of pop culture in the last 10 years. So people have become a lot more comfortable speaking about, you know, UFO sightings and, you know, ghost and cryptids and things like that. I always joke because, you know, I started investigating this stuff, George, when I was just a teenager in the 70s. And, you know, as I grew up pursuing these things, I could go to a party. (0:56:09)

And if I mentioned that that's what I did, I was guaranteed a nice, quiet evening alone. And, you know, it's sort of the reverse now. If I go to a party and people find out that's what I do, they're lined up out the door because they all have a story to relate. (0:56:26)

So, you know, there's a level of comfort within these, you know, with these topics that really we haven't seen in a very long time. And it's starting to spread some to other countries. I've been in Europe a lot the last couple of years, and, you know, things are getting a lot more open there, too, in these terms. (0:56:41)

Okay, let's go to Richard. Now, Richard is overseas and has to be anonymous. So let's check in with him. Go ahead, Rich. We'll respect your wishes, but you are on with us. All right. Is this George? Yes, it is, Rich. How are you doing, George? Good. I just got to thinking about these black-eyed children, you know, where they come from, who are they? You know, and my feelings are that it's possible that, you know how we've had alien abductions, especially of females, and they say they impregnate them, and nine months later they become a baby. (0:57:26)

Could they possibly be the children that are being... The hybrids. Yeah, a hybrid that's been abducted. The mother has been abducted and used for fertilization. Are these the offspring, David? Possibly? That's the other possibility. We touched on this briefly earlier, you know, the two most popular theories to explain what these things are, are either something demonic or some type of alien-human hybrid. (0:57:51)

And it's hard not to see the comparison. You know, we're talking about physical beings that have pale skin and those big black orbs, you know, very similar to the little gray aliens that are so common in ufology now. And if you think about the possibility of some type of hybrid being, what that would look like, artist's conceptions come out pretty close to something that looks like a black-eyed child. (0:58:17)

Are the eye sockets bigger on these children? Some people say that they're slightly bigger. Now, it's interesting because there are some older cases that have started to come to light, and there's a really fascinating one, George, that I recently learned about that occurred in France in 1974. And, you know, they're now calling this the black-eyed children of Ion, France. And these two gentlemen, it's a beautiful day in late fall, and they decide to go for a drive. (0:58:49)

They're driving through this little town. They reach the town limit, and the last house in the town, they decide they're going to turn around and head back in the other direction. And when they pull into the courtyard of this house, they see five beings that are about four feet tall. Now, here's the description. (0:59:17)

They have long hair. They're wearing what appear to be dresses with multicolored spots on the dresses. They have earthy yellow skin and eyes described as the size of billiard balls that are solid black. Now, these weird figures, three of them are sort of off to the side. One of them is standing by the house with both of its hands on the house as if it's just feeling the side of the house. (0:59:47)

The fifth figure is in the middle of the courtyard and puts its hand sort of up in the air, almost like a greeting. But what happens, these two gentlemen, the passenger has rolled his window down to sort of get a better look as to what's going on, and he regrets it almost immediately because he makes eye contact with this creature. (1:00:10)

And when he does, he goes into a complete state of fear. I mean, he just feels terrified. And this being sort of waves its arm as if saying, you know, come out of the car. And at this point, these guys are both panicking, and the passenger is yelling, you know, please, get out of here, get out of here. And they drive away as quickly as they can. (1:00:35)

Now, the interesting follow-up to this is that the two gentlemen, they rush into town. When they get back to the village, they get a couple of other people, and they go back to this house to see if these five figures are still there, and they're not. They've disappeared. When an investigator showed up several months later to look into the encounter, he found a neighbor that said, oh, yeah, there was really something strange that day because I saw a group of children wearing yellow oil cloths standing in the courtyard of that house. (1:01:09)

So this is an independent verification that there were some type of strange figures there that day. Again, this is 1974, so this is well before the common term black-eyed kid or black-eyed child, and well before the well-known Brian Bethel encounter. What I call the modern wave of these encounters started in 1996 with the Brian Bethel encounter. But when I researched the book, I started finding encounters that went much, much further back than that. So we're finding accounts from the 70s, the 1950s, and even earlier. (1:01:45)

The trick is when you go back to these earlier accounts, you can't go back and search for black-eyed kid encounters because that particular term is what was applied to them after the Bethel encounter. So you have to sort of look through the cultural lens of the time period or the location, and you'll find these same type of entities appearing, but people are calling them demons or ghosts or a wide variety of things. (1:02:14)

It's just a bizarre phenomenon, David. It really is. I'm beginning to think, though, they may be hybrids. It's a very weird phenomenon. And I tell you, George, even when I was researching it, I would look into different aspects of this thing and think, okay, well, wow, this makes a lot of sense that they're probably hybrid beings. But then you focus on a different aspect of the encounters, and you think, wow, these things have a lot in common with demonic entities. (1:02:48)

And that's one of the things that really fascinated me about the phenomenon was that it really crosses the line into a wide range of different paranormal subjects. You can equate them to the men in black, demonic entities, djinn, hybrids, a whole wide range. Great topic, David. I got to tell you, when I met you at a conference years ago, and you had mentioned you were doing this, I went, this is going to be amazing. (1:03:15)

I bet you get a lot of responses wherever you go, don't you? (1:03:21)

Yeah, I do. It's just a very compelling topic, and people are fascinated to know more about it. And again, because it crosses the lines into so many different areas of the paranormal, you get a wide range of people looking at it and trying to figure out exactly what's going on here. I'm happy to see that a lot of other researchers are now addressing this. (1:03:44)

I hear all the time that someone else is writing a book about it, so eventually I'm sure there'll be a lot more information out there. And I know that other researchers consistently get stories and accounts. Dave Schrader still gets a lot of accounts, and Jason Offit, Nick Redfern, a lot of these guys are receiving bike-eyed kid encounters, and they're different ones from the ones that people send me. (1:04:11)

So there are a lot of these accounts out there that still haven't surfaced. I know you do a lot of stories on this. Are you scared about these? Actually, no. I certainly don't want them showing up at my door. I guess I have a propensity to sort of dive into this stuff after having done it for so many years. You know, pursuing it. I think, to be honest, that the djinn are more frightening. (1:04:36)

Yeah, you come home, look, Daddy, my new friend. I'm still weatherly. I'm here. The djinn, you know, essentially are interpreted through the Middle Eastern lens, so to speak. And, you know, the thing to bear in mind is that Islam has now spread all over the entire world. And, you know, those cultures interpret the djinn in some places slightly different. And for the most part, you know, in the Middle East, people, they won't talk about the djinn because... They think it's a sin, don't they? (1:05:13)

Well, they believe that if you talk about them, it draws their attention, and that it's not attention... Manifestation again. Here we go. Right, right. So, but yet, you know, you go to some areas of Asia, for instance, and you find some fascinating things, because some of the folk traditions have blended with Islam over there. (1:05:38)

And there are some of these groups that attempt to utilize the djinn, you know, will intentionally try to bind them into a ring or a knife and things like this in order to access their power. Do these black-eyed children, do they laugh? The black-eyed children, they don't really display much emotion. It's, you know, they're always very monotone. They don't cry, nothing. Communicate with people, and they're not really... No, there's not really those types of encounters with them for the most part. Do they get mad if you don't let them in? (1:06:07)

You know, people perceive that because they tend to get not overtly angry, but they become more insistent. And, you know, they start to demand a little bit. Some people believe that they're attempting to exert mind control, you know, because people have these experiences where they'll feel their hand slipping off the door or pushing it open slowly as if they're about to comply with the, you know, insistent directive to just let them in. (1:06:42)

And then something sort of snaps and they realize, oh, what am I doing? I can't let these kids in here. There's actually an account in Strange Intruders about a gentleman who, you know, associated with two people that he knew for a little time. He would go to their home for dinner and so forth, and he was living in Hawaii at the time. (1:07:06)

And he was having dinner with them one evening, and the experience that he had was sitting across the table from this couple, and all of a sudden just something happened that he said the vibration was just kind of strange. He looked up at them and their eyes suddenly turned solid black. (1:07:26)

Now, he had known these people for some time and had never seen anything unusual or anything like this happen. And, you know, he just had this deep sense of dread, and he saw this happen. He said that time sort of froze. He got away from the situation as quickly as he could, and it only lasted for, you know, a few seconds or so, but he is absolutely sure of what he saw. (1:07:48)

And he got away from these people as quickly as he could. They acted very strange when they saw him, you know, after that, and he avoided having any close contact with them after that point. But it really altered a lot of things in his life, and some strange things happened to him. He developed a couple of phobias that he had never had before, and there have been a few other accounts where people have had the same experience. (1:08:18)

They've seen people whose eyes suddenly shift from just normal human eye to being solid black. And that's a weird connection that I'm honestly not quite sure what to make of it at this point. There's nothing that really relates to it too much in traditional lore. I mean, some demonic cases or cases of possession, people describe things like that. (1:08:41)

But other than that, it's a really strange variation on these encounters. Are there similarities beyond just the black eyes with these children? Do the personalities all stay the same? With the children, you know, some of the commonalities we find are pale or pasty skin. Some people say the skin doesn't even look quite real, you know, like it's artificial. The monotone voice is fairly common. (1:09:08)

The age range of the children always seems to fall around the same age range. It's pretty typical for them to vanish very suddenly, you know, when the encounter comes to an end. And the insistence is very common. They always insist to come inside, to be invited inside, whether it's a vehicle or a store or a home. (1:09:39)

More and more of these cases showing up of adults with black eyes. There was quite a case last summer with a couple of associates of mine, JC Johnson and Jack Carey from the Crypto Four Corners group. And they were investigating a case in New Mexico, driving in sort of in the middle of nowhere, close to Gallup though, and just out on this road sort of going nowhere towards a reservation. (1:10:03)

And they see a figure walking on the side of the road. JC and Jack were in the back seat of this car. There was a driver and a passenger in the front. They slowed down. They saw that it was a young woman. And she was walking in the desert, George. She was wearing six-inch cork heels and what they described as a tattered one-piece jumpsuit. And they were concerned that something was wrong with this person. (1:10:30)

So like the caller, they pulled aside and JC rolled the window down and said, hey, miss, are you okay? (1:10:38)

And she turned and looked at them and said, fine, everything I need. And when she turned and looked directly at Jack and JC, they realized her eyes were solid black. And so JC gets very disoriented and they're immediately telling the driver to go, go, travel away. And so similar to some of these other cases in the aftermath of this, they had some physical issues, a lot of disorientation. (1:11:15)

Jack became feeling very violently ill, almost to the point of vomiting. And a lot of issues with JC felt like he was overheating and a very strange burning sensation in his head. So again, this is a female adult in the middle of nowhere with solid black eyes. It's just a very bizarre case. And more and more of these incidents showing up with adults. Are most of these cases during the daytime or the nighttime? (1:11:44)

No, they tend to be more... a lot of the initial cases when I investigated them were right in the evening, just before sundown. But the more you dig into it, the more you'll find that there are cases at all hours. So they're not like little vampire kids or anything? Yeah, they tended to be a little bit more common in the early evening or the early hours of the morning. You know, so sort of those off times when people are winding down from work or, you know, when people are maybe just getting up or just beforehand. (1:12:23)

The questions are always different, you know, in the cases I've investigated. They'll say they need to come inside to get a drink of water or, you know, they just want to stop in for a while. Phrases that don't really make any sense for the location they're visiting because the people don't know them. Hey kid, I'll bring you a glass of water. Stay right there. (1:12:39)

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