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Ryan Burns : Skinwalker ranch に隣接する所有地で起きた怪事件

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要旨​

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スキンウォーカー牧場の怪現象

本資料は、ライアン・パトリック・バーンズ氏が「コースト・トゥ・コースト」に出演した際のインタビューの抜粋です。バーンズ氏は、ユタ州にあるスキンウォーカー・ランチに隣接するスペースウルフ・リサーチ・ランチのオーナーであり、この奇妙な現象が多発する地域での自身の体験や研究について語っています。

インタビューでは、自身が経験した失踪や未知の存在との遭遇、飼育員が見た不可解な人物や動物、建物が動くといった現象などが語られ、これらは知覚的な存在が関与している可能性や、脳機能との関連性、そしてこの地域特有の地理的要因や歴史が影響している可能性を示唆しています。

また、これらの現象を目撃することによる人々の心理的・生理的な変化や、政府の極秘プログラムの存在についても触れられています。

音声対話(by AI)​

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動画(39:16)​

The Day a Skinwalker Entered My Car _ Utah Ranch Mysteries

関連​

敷地に設置した 4トンのコンテナが勝手に移動した ⇒ この謎を解く (2024-12-04)

対話​

Me:

ソースはインタビュー動画の文字起こしです。ここで語られている主要な出来事を整理して。

AI

提供されたソースは、ライアン・パトリック・バーンズ氏へのインタビューの文字起こしであり、彼が所有するスキンウォーカー・ランチに隣接するスペースウルフ・リサーチ牧場やその周辺地域で経験した異常現象について語られています。以下に、その中で語られている主要な出来事をまとめます。

  • ライアン氏の最初の異常現象体験: 90年代後半、骨折で療養中に釣り場を探していた際、スキンウォーカー・リッジの南にあるランダムな牧場道を運転していました。そこで、年老いたネイティブ・アメリカン風の人物が崖を下りてくるのを目撃しました。その人物は不自然な、ほとんどロボットのような動きをしており、ライアン氏が車を停めて声をかけると、古びた毛布をまとったその人物は車の助手席に這い込んできました。
  • 車内での体験と時間の消失: 車に乗り込んだその人物は、わずか数秒でライアン氏の心を読み取るかのように感じられ、ライアン氏は涙が止まらなくなりました。非常に不気味な体験であり、今振り返ると**「人間ではなかった」**と考えています。ライアン氏はその直後の記憶がなくなり、数時間の時間を失いました。
  • 発見と「スキンウォーカー」: 数時間後、ライアン氏はその崖の反対側でインディアン事務局の職員に発見されました。車の中でシートベルトに拘束されたような状態でした。同乗者は消えていました。職員に話したところ、彼らはさほど衝撃を受けていない様子で、**「スキンウォーカーに捕まったようだな」**と話しているのが聞こえました。これがライアン氏が「スキンウォーカー」という言葉を初めて聞いた時であり、職員たちはこの現象についてよく知っているようでした。
  • スペースウルフ・リサーチ牧場の購入: この出来事をきっかけにライアン氏はこの地域について調べ始めました。当初はスキンウォーカー・ランチのすぐ隣に住みたかったものの、家族に止められたため25分ほど離れた場所に住んでいました。数年後、かつてのビゲロー氏の土地（スキンウォーカー・ランチ）とフェンスを共有する現在の牧場が売りに出された際に、それを手に入れたとのことです。彼の牧場は現在30エーカーの広さです。
  • スペースウルフ・リサーチでの異常現象: ライアン氏の牧場やその近隣地域でも、様々な奇妙な出来事が起きています。
    • 人型の存在: 敷地内やフェンス際で人型の姿が目撃されています。ある時は、管理人の男性と友人が3体の人型がフェンスを飛び越えるのを目撃し、カメラをいじっているのを発見しました。彼らが近づくと、それらは犬のようにしゃがみこみ、発砲しても全く効果がなく、その後フェンスを飛び越えて逃げ去りました。別の時、管理人の女性はフェンスにもたれかかっている男性を見かけましたが、声をかけようとした瞬間に鹿に姿を変えて走り去ったとのことです。
    • 動く建物や物体: 過去数か月の最大の懸念は、建物や構造物が動き回ることだといいます。40フィートのRVが落雷によって蒸発したかのような出来事があったほか、40フィート、8,000ポンドの輸送用コンテナが、地面に引きずられた跡もなく、向きを変えられたり移動されたりしました。キャビンなども数インチから最大20フィート移動したことがあります。これらの動きは、最新のカメラでさえフレーム間で発生することが多いとのことです。
    • 動物の変死: スキンウォーカー・ランチ周辺の広い地域では、謎の動物の死亡が今も続いています。その多くは十分に調査されておらず、捕食者によって荒らされた形跡がなく、血痕もほとんど見られないという特徴があります。しばしば、空に奇妙な光や物体（キューブ、長方形など）が報告されることと相関があるようです。
    • ウルフのような実体: 大きな二足歩行のウルフのような実体が近隣住民によって目撃され、過去に暗い出来事があった場所や水路の方向へ移動したという調査を行いました。ライアン氏自身も、渦巻く微粒子のような塊から固体のイヌ科の生物が出現するのを目撃したことがあります。
    • ポルターガイスト現象: 管理人の車の警報が夜中に何度も鳴り続けたが無人であったり、最も説明困難な出来事として、床下から紫色の光とともに幼い少女が現れるのを目撃した管理人がいました。その場所には、洗い落とせない紫色の染みが残っています。
  • 政府による監視: この地域に引っ越して以来、政府によると思われる監視を頻繁に経験しました。黒いSUVに乗った政府関係者と思われる人々が、ライアン氏がスキンウォーカー・ランチの方向へ向かっていないか監視していることが明らかになりました。ライアン氏は後に、それが政府関係者であったことを友人から確認しています。
  • 地域と人への影響: この地域では非常に広範囲な異常現象が発生しており、ライアン氏はそれを「予知能力のある知覚力のある知性」と表現しています。これは、ジョン・B・アレクサンダー大佐（ロバート・ビゲロー氏の下で働いていた人物）が考えた言葉であり、あなたが何をしようとしているかを知ることができるものだと説明しています。この地域では多くの人々の人生が影響を受け、負傷したり命を落としたりした人々がいると述べています。異常現象を頻繁に目撃する人々には**「干渉症候群」**と呼ばれる脳への異常な影響があることが示唆されており、彼自身の脳も変化したと感じています。
  • 奇妙な地理的特徴: 地面には一晩で突然開き、そして完全に塞がる亀裂が見られることがあります。カメラなどを下に入れると非常に深く、翌朝には跡形もなく閉じているとのことです。
  • その他の現象: サスクワッチやビッグフットのような存在の目撃談もあり、追跡の専門家も何らかの存在がいるという印象を持っています。また、この地域は地質学的にも独特であり、東から西に走る山脈（周辺の他の山脈は南北方向）や、地球上の他の場所では非常に珍しいギルソナイト（アスファルトのような石油製品）の鉱脈が存在します。恐竜や他の動物の化石も豊富に見つかる地域です。

ライアン氏は、これらの現象について理解するために様々な研究手法を用いており、特に脳神経科学的なアプローチ（ニューロセオロジー）に関心を持っています。彼の牧場の名前「スペースウルフ・リサーチ」は、彼が目撃した渦巻く塊から現れた奇妙なウルフの出来事や、部族の伝承において形を変える魔女が悪しき魔術の使い手であり、イヌ科の姿をとることが多いことから名付けられました。

彼は、これらの現象は「高次のストレンジネス」であり、観察者の期待や恐れと**「共創造」する可能性があると考えており、特に恐怖を呼び起こすような形で現れる**ことが多いようです。また、この知性が「友達」と呼ぶ方が、害が少ないように感じられるという経験も語っています。

彼はこの牧場を購入したことを後悔することもあるが、個人的な知識などの得るものがリスクよりも大きいと考えているようです。

Me:

46:00 ごろに語られてる hitchhiker effect についても整理して。

AI

インタビュー動画の文字起こしソースによれば、46:00頃に語られている「hitchhiker effect（ヒッチハイカー効果）」は、スキンウォーカー・ランチやその周辺地域に関連する異常現象の一つとして言及されています。

「hitchhiker effect」について語られている主な内容は以下の通りです。

  • この地域に行く際の重要な注意点として、「何も家へ持ち帰らないこと」が挙げられています。
  • それは「矢じりや木の枝のような小さなもの」であっても同様です。
  • 文字通りの物質的な物体（literal material objects）を家へ持ち帰った人々は、この「ヒッチハイカー効果」によって、異常現象が指数関数的に追いかけてくるように見えるとライアン氏は述べています。

つまり、「ヒッチハイカー効果」とは、スキンウォーカー・ランチなどの高次ストレンジネスが発生する地域から物質的な何かを持ち帰ると、その異常現象が持ち帰った人物についてきて、その頻度や強さが指数関数的に増幅されるように見える現象を指しているようです。このため、地域を訪れる際には、何かを持ち帰ることを避けるように注意されています。

Me:

21:00 あたりで語られている RV 車両やコンテナーの事件について、より詳しく整理して。

AI

提供されたインタビュー動画の文字起こしソースに基づき、21:00頃に語られているRV車両やコンテナに関する主要な出来事を以下に詳しく整理します。これは、ライアン・パトリック・バーンズ氏が所有するスペースウルフ・リサーチ牧場で経験した、物理的な異常現象の一部として語られています。

ライアン氏によると、彼の牧場では様々な異常現象が発生しており、特に過去数ヶ月の間で最大の懸念となっているのは、建物や構造物が動き回ることだといいます。これはクレイジーに聞こえる現象だと彼は述べています。

具体的な例として、以下の出来事が挙げられています。

  1. 40フィートのRV（レクリエーション車両）の消失/蒸発

    • 以前、敷地内に置かれていた40フィート（約12メートル）のRVが、昼間に「明白な落雷によって」蒸発したかのように消えた出来事があったと語られています。

  2. 輸送用コンテナの移動

    • 蒸発したRVがあった場所を再現する形で、40フィート（約12メートル）、8,000ポンド（約3.6トン）の輸送用コンテナが設置され、その中に研究機材などが入れられました。
    • このコンテナが、初めて異常な動きを見せた際に気づいたのは、東西方向から南北方向へと向きを変えられていたことでした。
    • 8,000ポンドという重い物体であるにも関わらず、地面に引きずられた跡や、どのように移動されたかを示す物理的な手がかりや痕跡は一切見られなかったと述べています。
    • この種の出来事は、過去数ヶ月の間に数回発生しているとのことです。
    • 対象はスチールコンテナだけでなく、キャビンなども含まれます。
    • 移動距離は、**わずか数インチ（数センチ）から最大20フィート（約6メートル）**に及ぶこともあります。

これらの現象を捉えるために、ライアン氏の牧場には多数のビデオカメラが設置されています（空に向けた追跡ソフトウェア付きのものや、地上の360度カメラなど）。しかし、これらの建物が動く様子を直接捉えた映像は少ないようです。時折、「ありえない」ような光景の一瞬が映ることはありますが、ライアン氏は、これらの最大の出来事の多くが、最新のカメラでさえ、文字通りフレーム間で発生していると指摘しています。これは、現象が非常に瞬間的、あるいは映像として記録できないような形で発生している可能性を示唆しています。

これらのRVやコンテナの移動は、この地域の「高次ストレンジネス」の一部として、説明困難な物理的な現象として語られています。

文字起こし​

展開

And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Norrie with you, Ryan Patrick Burns with us. He owns what it's called the Space Wolf Research. Now that's a ranch that overlooks and shares a fence line with the Skinwalker Ranch. Ryan, welcome to the program. Looking forward to this. Great to be here. Thank you, George. What got you involved in that? You know, it was nothing of my own doing. (0:00:27)

I was working as a fishing guide and I had a bit of an anomalous injury and I had some time off. I was looking for new water to fish on my days off and I went down a random ranch road. And back then there was no gate, per se, no real security or anything along those lines. It was the late 90s. And I had an event that sort of drew me in, I guess. (0:00:59)

What was that event? Can you tell us? Sure. Yeah. As I said, I was injured. I had a broken toe, so I couldn't really walk around much. But I was driving around and there's a tributary or I thought there was a tributary close by and I was checking this area. And there is this large sort of sandstone mesa that locals have termed the Skinwalker Ridge. And this random ranch road was just to the south of there. And I was slowly driving along looking for a waterway. (0:01:40)

And I saw what could only be described as an elderly Native American looking individual kind of shuffling down this very precarious, dangerous bluff, this mesa, this red rock feature. And it seemed very out of place. They were moving not quite right. It's the way I think it almost robotically. And I stopped my vehicle and as they neared the road, I rolled my window down and I said, hey, do you need a ride somewhere? And they were kind of covered up with a Native American style blanket, kind of rag tag. (0:02:31)

It looks soiled. And they shuffled over to the passenger side of the vehicle where the window is down, murmured something and just kind of crawled right into the car, the truck actually. And within seconds. Was it creepy? Very creepy. And, you know, now that I look back, I think it was very much not human, because within just a matter of seconds, it felt as if it was somehow going through my mind or looking for things of note, whether positive or negative, and just kind of difficult to explain, but sort of iconically feeding off of that. And I mean, I was in tears within seconds, which was very strange. (0:03:22)

Were you trying to figure out, Ryan, how to get rid of them? You know, I wish I could have. That was the last thing I remembered. And I lost a few hours of time. And I was found by Bureau of Indian Affairs officers on the other side of the bluff, the Mesa. And I was sort of just being held into the vehicle by my safety belt. Wow. And they were gone, I assume, right? Yes. Yes. The passenger was gone. (0:03:59)

And they asked me what had happened. I told them as crazy as it sounds. (0:04:06)

And they didn't seem that shocked. And I remember that was the first time I heard the word Skinwalker. And one of them said to the other, well, it sounds like he got nabbed by the Skinwalker. And they weren't that shocked. They knew all about this, didn't they? They were very much aware that something was there that I wouldn't have believed a word coming out of my mouth. (0:04:45)

And they had a name for it. What do you think happened to you? Were you drugged? Were you hit on the head? What happened? You know, I still wonder. I think something definitely transpired. Physically, I seemed fine. And I kind of put it out of my mind. And anytime I would drive by or nearby in the area, I would kind of slow down and keep my eyes and ears open. (0:05:22)

And I started asking locals and digging into the area. And I quickly found out a lot more than than I was hoping to. But it sort of led me down this path. Now, at what point did you acquire the Spacewolf Research Ranch, which borderlines the Skinwalker Ranch? Oh, yeah, this wasn't for years. It was years and years later. I first moved close by. (0:05:46)

My family knew a little bit about what had happened. And I first moved very close by. I wanted to be right next to the ranch. And my family said, Well, you know, I don't think that's a very good idea, Ryan. And so I lived about 25 minutes away. And then when this particular ranch that shares a fence line with that old Bigelow property became available, I snatched it up. (0:06:18)

Did you see and as we get into things with you tonight, Ryan, did you witness strange things out there? Besides these two entities? Yeah, you know, it's as I like to say, it is not a matter of if you see something, but when if you're looking all the time, right? How long did you do you still own Spacewolf? Yeah, I immediately had a caretaker on site. And this was a younger guy and his spouse. (0:06:58)

Spouse, very familiar with the area, grew up in the area. Tough. And most importantly, somebody that didn't believe in it at all. And very quickly, I we started to have things transpire. Such as? I think one of the more notable was, he was out on the front porch. It was late at night, later at night, he was talking with a buddy who was over. (0:07:32)

And they saw a few figures jump over a fence line, which mostly barbed wire fences out there. They're fairly, fairly tall for the average person to jump over. And for three is a little less likely. And he said, Well, you know, will you come back with me? And I'm supposed to kind of keep people off the property. (0:08:00)

And I had just had some cameras installed in a little structure at the time. And these guys walked back this, this dirt road, they each grabbed a firearm. (0:08:09)

And they said that these figures were were messing with everything, the cameras and throwing them around playfully. And as they got closer, they started to yell to him and still no response. It's about a 72 yard walk or so back to where these things were. And it was dark. And when they came very close to them, is when they finally got their attention. (0:08:42)

And they said something along the lines of, hey, you're obviously trespassing, can you please leave? And he said, they all three sat down sort of on their haunches like dogs would. And this kind of horrified himself and his friend. And one of them popped up quickly. And they just unloaded on these things. And these guys are good shots. (0:09:15)

And he said, there was absolutely zero effect. They did run and jump over the fence and take off in the direction they came from. And then he proceeded to call me. Now Bigelow has since sold that place. But did you ever meet Bob? You know, I haven't met Bob. I've I've met people close to him, family members. And I've even sat in some of his sporting events seats. (0:09:43)

It's a small world. But I haven't met Bob himself. Nice guy. Now what's going on at the Skinwalker Ranch now in terms of what are they using it for? It is now for those who are unaware, the focus site of a history channel television show. And they have a variety of different, I guess, experiments where they do their best to film any anomalies that might transpire. (0:10:17)

So you think the owners are making some money based on that? You know, I don't know, to be honest, about the finances. It's not set up as a tourism place where their people pay to come in there or anything like that? Correct. There are very, there's very limited access, I would say. Now, George Knapp witnessed cattle mutilations and UFO sightings and a lot of strange and ongoing. Those things do still happen. (0:11:01)

It is, you would think if there was something that was trying to cover its tracks with the publicity involved, it would be a little less active. But if anything, it seems to acknowledge the attention, but maneuver itself differently. And we still very much have a lot of strange goings on. Ryan, did you ever have any government people knock on your door? Oh, yeah. (0:11:35)

It's a funny story. Yes, I've... Let's hear it. You know, ever since I moved to the area full time back when I when I lived about 25 minutes away, I ran a little turnkey fly fishing bed and breakfast, and I'd have a lot of visitors and friends up. And we noticed a lot of government like surveillance. And it was notable. And since then, I've befriended people that said, Yeah, that was that was us. (0:12:11)

And you know, we were just keeping an eye on you. And it very much was government people in black suburbans, who were very much just notably keeping an eye on me to make sure that I wasn't headed in that direction. And there was a notable amount of experimentation that transpired when Mr. Bigelow owned the property. (0:12:47)

However, this was not as transparent. This was part of a black budget government program. And, and not a lot of people knew about it. In your opinion, what is a skin walker? Great question. It is what locals would call someone who's very adept in the darker practices of bad medicine, or what they call the witchery way. (0:13:20)

And the area has a long history of basically having this curse, where another tribe felt they had been wronged by the Ute tribe there in the area. They were, it was the Navajo tribe, and they had kind of a last secret outpost over in the San Luis Valley, in nearby Colorado. And to sort of save their, their own well being, the Ute tribe, and for a variety of other reasons, let the cavalry know about this secretive last outpost of the Navajo. They had great spread where nobody knew they were there and their families could, could live in peace. (0:14:17)

And when they let the cavalry know about this last little little outpost, this stronghold they had, this was considered unforgivable by the Navajo. This was the last straw, so to speak. And they gathered their top sorcerers, witches, etc. And they summoned what they considered to be the most hideous and darkest of the entities to curse this location, which is now right in this area. (0:14:56)

Back then it was, it was Fort Duchesne, and it was a fort that was managed by one of the first groups, if not the first, of buffalo soldiers in the area who, who were also very steeped in knowledge of not only things like voodoo, but many of them, if not all of them, were Prince Hall Masons. So they were familiar with other forms of high magic. (0:15:26)

Do you think also that area, Ryan, was an Indian burial ground? (0:15:30)

There's a bunch of different burials in the area. Absolutely, there are. Might make it even more mystical. Yeah, it is sort of, if you were looking for a paranormal Disneyland, it's a spot where Murphy's Law has sort of taken place as far as the mystery is concerned. And anything strange that could exponentially kind of charge the area has sort of happened, either, either on purpose or by accident. (0:16:05)

By the way, what is the Space Wolf Research Center, Ryan? You know, it is just a private real estate company that experiments with various research methods to anticipate anomalies. And you're doing a great job doing that, I hear. We've, we've discovered some interesting, some interesting things. When you wrote the book on Skinwalker back in 2011, had you already owned Space Wolf Research? No, no, I, I had not. (0:16:47)

Did you want to live by Skinwalker Ranch or did you want that other property? Well, it's, it's sort of embarrassing, George. I'm getting older. I turn 50 next month. You know, I, when I was younger, it was, it was great just being able to go all over the place and be in the area in all different locations. (0:17:09)

But I just kind of needed a place that was, in my opinion, a little more comfortable, a little less worry. Everything was there on site and more convenient. Now, what is the Uintah Basin? Is that the area consisting of your place, Skinwalker Ranch, or is that just a location? Yeah, it's a magical, sort of an anomaly in and of itself. (0:17:37)

It's a, it's a massive geologic area where, for lack of a better word, you have this massive catch basin for all of the rivers and streams and waterways coming down out of the high Uintahs. And it sort of is also kind of looks like a big satellite dish from an energy perspective, but it's, it's a pretty interesting area. What would you say best describes the high strangeness, the unusualness about it? (0:18:11)

You know, I think the best definition of what roams the landscape is a precognitive sentient intelligence. And these are words that were coined by Colonel John B. Alexander when he worked for Robert Bigelow. And the reason he called it that is because it's something that can know what you're going to do before you do it. Have we lost any people's lives out that way? (0:18:48)

A lot of lives have been affected. And in the words of Robert T. Bigelow, people have been hurt, people have been killed. And this is where things get strange. And it's understated because sort of the focus area of space wolf research is something that's not your average study, which is neuro theology. And this is basically looking at neurological correlations to some of these anomalies. (0:19:32)

And it involves brain imaging and other scientific methods. What is possibly most interesting, George, is if someone sees a UFO, or if they see some sort of cryptozoological variant or entity, the same part of the brain compartmentalizes that event as would if they had a spiritual encounter with something they thought was a demon or an angel. So this is kind of interesting, to say the least. (0:20:06)

And based on the proximity of your property next to Skinwalker Ranch, have you had some anomaly things happen on your place? (0:20:17)

Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of both physical and non-physical. This past month, actually, our biggest concern has been structures and buildings moving around, which sounds crazy. What do you mean, moving around? Yeah, it's not your normal thing. This type of thing has happened before. We've had, for example, a 40-foot RV vaporized in the middle of the day by an apparent lightning bolt. But more importantly, we put a 40-foot, 8,000-pound shipping container to kind of mimic where the RV was, put all the research equipment, et cetera, in there. (0:21:04)

And the first time we noticed this, this 40-foot shipping container was moved from an east-to-west direction to a north-to-south direction. And I mean, this is an 8,000-pound object. And no drag marks, no physical clues or cues as to how this was moved. And like I said, this past month, we've had this sort of thing happen a few times with not just things like steel containers, but also things like cabins. (0:21:45)

And it's been as little as just a few inches or as much as 20 feet, but it's something that is interesting. Did you have any video cameras out that way, Ryan? Yeah, quite a few video cameras, both cameras with tracking software aimed at the skies, as well as your standard 360-degree cameras just on the ground. Anything showing these buildings moving or anything like that? (0:22:14)

Occasionally, we will get a glimpse of something that doesn't seem possible. But what we're finding is oftentimes, some of the biggest events happen literally between frames of even the most modern cameras. Are the cattle mutilations and UFO sightings still ongoing on the Skinwalker Ranch? You know, I can't talk about their events, but I can say that in the general vicinity of the area, there's still a lot of mysterious animal deaths. (0:22:59)

The majority of them are not investigated to the fullest, but people still continually lose animals in very strange ways. What do you think is going on on the properties to cause all these anomalies? I think all I have to go off of is experimenting with these various research methods to kind of detect and anticipate these anomalies. (0:23:34)

And as time goes on, I realize I know less and less, because it will manifest itself differently. This high strangeness, this intelligence will take different shapes and forms and kind of bother people in different ways. But I recently, over the last few months, went out and investigated what can only be described as a large wolf-like entity, a bipedal one, that a neighbor, a local there in the area, who grew up right there in Fort Duchesne, saw. (0:24:13)

And this was the first time they'd seen something like this. They'd heard about this sort of thing their whole life. But we kind of retraced the steps of where this transpired. And interestingly, where she saw this, it ran towards a place where the house has been removed. But it was a house where some very dark events had happened in the past. And from there, it moved from that key point to a waterway nearby. (0:24:48)

And there was still physical evidence of it being there. But it seems to be that these things can kind of manifest themselves as something that you are expecting, familiar with, or for lack of a better word, sort of co-create. But it's... Were they like werewolves? (0:25:09)

You know, it is. I think being the observer of some of this high strangeness, you have to be really careful what your fears are, and how your fears might manifest. For some folks, this could be a bump in the night. And if you've been brought up in an area where you've heard tales of specific things, this high strangeness could manifest in those forms. (0:25:39)

But I think the observer is somewhat key, and has a key role in participating in the event, whether they know it or not. Might you be helping to manifest these objects and entities not knowing it? Exactly. Yes. So, sort of back to that precognitive ability. If it's familiar with ways to display itself to someone, it will most likely use ways that will invoke fear, emotion, or otherwise get as much of a charge out of the event as possible. (0:26:27)

And I'm not sure why that is. Pretty dramatic, isn't it? It is. What is the strangest thing you've witnessed out there Ryan? It's a weird one. There's a few. There are a few. The strangest things I've witnessed, luckily, I've always had other people there. And I would say one of... So you've had witnesses? Correct. I've had witnesses. (0:27:00)

And it's a good idea to always kind of roll in twos and threes, have people there with you because... Sure. Yeah, the last thing you want is to be out there by yourself. But yeah, I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot. I don't know which one to pinpoint at. But for an example, one of them, to make a very long story short, was a wolf-like creature that manifested from what apparently was just spiraling, almost nanoparticulates. (0:27:31)

It just looked like a little dust devil, like a little... Like a little baby tornado? Yeah, like a little miniature tornado of like gnats or flies or nanoparticulates. And it just became, coalesced into this very solid canine. Buzzing around. Buzzing around. Yeah. Have you seen, besides those two entities that you picked up earlier, have you seen any entities walking around or roaming around? (0:28:07)

Quite a few. Not always in person, oftentimes on camera. Other caretakers have seen them as well. One female that was on the property saw a gentleman without a shirt on leaning up against a fence line. And when she asked him, or was about to ask him, hey, how can I help you? She said within just a moment, he turned into a deer and ran down into a little grove of trees. (0:28:40)

Jeez. Are people scared when they're out there? Or are they enlightened? What happens to them? There's a wide array of different feelings, emotions. And that's sort of why I've focused most of my study on understanding the neurological basis of the phenomena. Because some will have spiritual experiences. Others will have altered states of consciousness, while others will very much have these fearful, tragic, horrifying events. (0:29:24)

And the one thing that seems to always be the same is that I go back to that study that the brain is going to compartmentalize these things and put them kind of in the same filing cabinet neurologically. And I think that there's more exploration that needs to be done on that front. (0:29:50)

Skinwalkers, 512 acres. How about yours, Space Wolf Research Center? You know, it started small, but we've kind of, we're getting a little bit bigger. We're nowhere near as big as our neighboring ranch. But let's see, we are at 30 acres now, so... That's a pretty good size. That's not bad. It's not bad at all. I notice you don't say skinwalker very often. Is there a reason? (0:30:19)

Yes. The more you understand the relationship between the actual word and manifesting things, there's a reason why for 15 generations that we know of, the local tribes have this belief and understanding that if you say it, it will come. Brian, are the cattle mutilations still happening? And if they are, what do you think about that phenomenon? There seem to be some correlations when we do have significant amounts of animals die mysteriously. (0:31:02)

And oftentimes, locals will report strange things in the sky, lights, cubes, rectangle-like objects. And there's a correlation there. And these are typically deaths that ranchers will find that haven't been at all tampered with by predators. In other words, you can leave the animal there and the varmints won't get into it. And oftentimes, there's zero blood anywhere. (0:31:44)

So when you see some of those telltale signs, you know, you might be dealing with something a little more mysterious and take a little extra care removing the animal or studying that particular event. It is amazing how this area over the years has accumulated so many bizarre, strange stories of all kinds of paranormal activity, not just one facet. There's a lot of different things. (0:32:08)

Yeah, you name it. Poltergeist activity. There's higher rates of stillbirths in the area. And there's a number of other things that you wonder if they're interrelated. Have you had nightmares being close to this area? Early on, I had a lot of vivid, very vivid dreams. But those have sort of subsided. I don't know if I'm getting more jaded or just less apt to have those those types of dreams. (0:32:45)

But at first, there was a lot and there's not as many anymore. What about poltergeist activity? Yeah, there's been some very strange poltergeist like activity. One of the caretakers, this was a single male at the time that I've had at the property. He was a woken up at night with his car alarm going off. He kept turning it off and there was nothing out there. (0:33:16)

Something else that was very, very difficult to explain was he saw what can only be described as a young girl come up out of the floor at the back of this location where he was staying. And where this happened, he said it was like a purple light as she came up out of the floor. (0:33:37)

We still have a purple mark on the floor that we can't clean off. That's strange. And tell me about the name Space Wolf Research. How did you come up with that? Yeah, kind of simple. It just that event with that strange wolf that I saw sort of come from a spiraling mass of nothing. (0:34:02)

I just figured here we are dealing with something that has something to do with space. And wolves seem to be something that this intelligence oftentimes manifests itself as. And when you look at the tribal lore, the dark adept witches that are often accused of being the shapeshifters also often manifest themselves in canine forms. (0:34:32)

So I just figured Space Wolf sounds about right. It sure does. Now, what kind of research do you do out there, Ryan? You know, a lot of it has been kind of revolving around the mind and studying what's going through the minds of people when these anomalies transpire. And almost more importantly, prior to the anomaly transpiring, because there's some telltale signs that kind of let you know it's coming. (0:35:10)

And it's patterns, really, is what you're looking for. Patterns of influence and what people are emotionally feeling, what their brains are telling them. And if they feel as if something is more demonic, more spiritual, more religious, or more along the lines of something poltergeist-like or UFO-related, this is all sort of held in that same container. (0:35:40)

And we're finding that there are abnormal effects on people that observe regularly high strangeness. And I'm not at liberty to say what some of those effects are. Some of them are darker than others, like multiple sclerosis and Lou Gehrig's disease. But some are more just day-to-day, not a big deal. If I had a data set, and there's a little bit by remote viewers, that there is a large dimensional possible subterranean non-human location, which there is some, and there's somewhat of a database there, I would go down that path. (0:36:24)

But there's a lot more of a database of people having essentially minds that are changed by being in the area. And this is something that a significant amount of people have looked into involving CIA Dr. Kate Green, Gary Nolan, and others that are looking at people's brains that are in areas of high strangeness and finding something they're calling interference syndrome. And back in the 60s and 70s, they called this UFO disease. (0:37:01)

But you quickly see that there's something happening to us when we're in these areas of strangeness that you can not only document, but I think if we have a lot of people or personnel having this happen to them, and it's happened to myself in different ways as well, then you've got some really hard data to look at. (0:37:29)

But I'm not against that at all. And I think that's a good snapshot to look at into that subterranean aspect, because the ground very much is alive. There's something happening underground. Are there any openings that you have seen, Ryan, where craft could come in and out? You know, it's interesting you ask that question, George, because there are sometimes cracks in the earth that literally overnight will open up and close up just as quickly. (0:38:07)

And we've put things down into those into those cracks, like fiber cameras and things of that nature. And they go pretty deep, and they'll close right back up, oftentimes overnight. Like perfectly sealed back up? Perfectly sealed. You wouldn't even know they were there. That's strange. It's everywhere out there, isn't it? It seems to be. Are you glad you made the investment in buying the place? (0:38:29)

You know, I am. And at times I'm not. It's probably not the most shrewd investment strategy. (0:38:40)

I mean, I'd go to sleep with one eye open all the time. How do you do it? Yeah, you do tend to sort of become... I wouldn't use the word jaded. But when you're in those surroundings, you notice patterns, and you don't become as emotionally charged over time. And for example, if I go up there with family members, a great example is you'll hear a banging on the side of a structure that you're in. And instead of overreacting, my initial reaction was to overreact. (0:39:25)

But now I'm more interested in, okay, what exact direction did that come from? Are there any cameras pointing in that direction? What might we find? And it's really a game of cat and mouse. And it seems as if the intelligence, whatever it is, sort of likes to engage. Have you seen any Sasquatch or Bigfoot out there? There are sightings of things that could be quantified as Sasquatch or Bigfoot, oftentimes at times where people would not be wandering along in the middle of the night, 4am in these bad lands along a waterway and kind of breaking through brush. And sometimes more than one. (0:40:17)

But I've had some teams come out that are experts at tracking those specific cryptids, and they're very much under the impression that there is something along those lines. What do we call them? Something I picked up along the way from someone in the area that comes at it from a very spiritual angle is, I wonder if our, for example, instead of saying, I wonder if we'll encounter this or that, we'll say, I wonder if our friends will be out tonight. (0:40:54)

And at first, I thought this was kind of strange, maybe inviting them in. But what was pointed out to me was, it's a lot better to call them friends than enemies. And I agree with that. And less harm seemed to come when we call them friends instead of any of these other terms. And as far as the spiritual dynamic, I think it is a very, very spiritual endeavor. (0:41:27)

And it is something that there is an intelligence that is very much more capable to engage with us in ways that are fascinating to us. And yeah, there's 10 acres, actually 14 acres of the property, it used to be a little larger, that I sold to another individual that is very much constantly engaging in a more, dare I say, ceremonial way. (0:42:04)

And I think all these groundbreaking innovations kind of work together and have garnered success. But I, of all the things, I think the best thing to call them our friends, because they're less likely to hurt you. Brian, you wrote a book in 2019 called Shapeshifter Territory. In your words, what is a shapeshifter? A shapeshifter is something that can manifest itself in a variety of different ways. (0:42:44)

And this can be something as simple as a regular person appearing to be an animal, or it can be more complex, where we may have something that is mimicking something that has been, from a sorcery perspective, taking place for centuries or thousands of years. But we may have something along the lines of mimicry, something the government actually coined as bi-directional mimicry, where we may have something along the like an alien artificial intelligence that is using the same costume, so to speak. (0:43:27)

Is there anything evil behind it? (0:43:30)

You know, it's like a lot of things. There's evil everywhere you look, if you look for it. And this is very similar. If you focus on the dark, there's plenty of dark there. But if you experience this paranormal phenomenon and you look at it with a broader scope, you realize that there's a lot more going on. (0:44:01)

It's not all dark, it's not all malignant, and it's not all malevolent, but there's a portion that is. Why Utah? Anything special about that state? I think there is. And the southwestern United States in general is pretty special. But Utah seems to have a variety of geographic, geologic, and other strange things that just seem to only happen there. For example, the mountain range that is nearest to this area is an east to west mountain range. (0:44:39)

All the others in the general vicinity are north to south. There are things that are found in the earth in this area that are very difficult to find anywhere on the planet. One of those substances is something known as Gilsonite, which for lack of a better word is kind of a tar petroleum product. You can literally lay it out like asphalt and you've got a driveway. (0:45:10)

But there are veins of this that are fascinating, and they're massive, and they're underground. And this entire area has been called the Dinosaur Diamond. And that's because there is a significant abundance of fossilized remains of dinosaurs and other animals right here in this area. And the list goes on and on and on. I could go all night, George. There's a lot of things. (0:45:38)

Also, when you go in the area, I always like to say that being prepared is the best thing to do. When you go into these areas, you need to be sure to say a little prayer, whatever your belief system is. If you don't pray, do what you do. But do something to kind of protect yourself from this and also don't bring anything home with you. (0:46:08)

It could be something as small as an arrowhead or a stick. But people who have brought things home with them, literal material objects seem to have an exponential amount of this hitchhiker effect follow them. Do you have any regrets buying the property that you did buy, Ryan? All the time. But the payoffs... Yeah, all the time. (0:46:40)

And, you know, it's a strange thing because even skeptics, regular people really don't pay attention to UFOs or this high strangeness or look into it. But when you do, I think that the rewards, and a lot of those are personal, you know, knowledge, the rewards are bigger than the payout. So yeah. And with a lot of these things, there is interconnectivity. (0:47:14)

So there's a oneness to it all. They're interrelated. I believe that the tribes and the oral tradition for over 15 generations that we know of, of something transpiring that is strange, is something you can't ignore. But at the same time, the government has factions within it, that any time there is something that is perceived to be valuable, and even from a fearful perspective, there is a faction of the government that wants to weaponize that for whatever reason. (0:47:47)

And it's in our best interest living in this country for them to know more about those things. At the same time, to your point about the wolves, we've found actual dire wolf remnants on the property, teeth, etc. And that is very real. So I think, to your point, all of these things may be interrelated. Did you find any skulls or bones? (0:48:18)

Lots of bones. We found a few claws, teeth, and it's fascinating. You never know what... and that's just oftentimes, you know, very close to the surface. We haven't done a whole lot of digging. Ryan, as we wrap things up, what's new for you? What's your next project? The next project is going to just figure out why these darn... this last month, these darn structures and buildings have been moving around. And it's a conundrum. (0:48:56)

There's a lot of stuff happening on the surface. And I think we're going to start doing more scanning below the surface. But yeah, that all remains to be seen. Well, stay safe doing what you do out there, Ryan, and keep in touch with us. All right. Thank you, George. Appreciate you.

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