Dave Scott の証言 : UFO を含む様々な自身の不可解な体験

June 1, 2025 · 109 min read

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過去記事で取り上げた podcast 動画だが、再度取り上げる。今回は AI (NotebookLM plus)に整理させた。

55:00 から彼の体験談が始まる。それまでは彼が奇妙な体験をする以前の経歴の詳細なのでスキップできる。

彼が酷い偏頭痛で苦しんだ直後に UFO との遭遇が起きていることに留意(*1)。

彼のこの podcast 動画での証言には

UFO/ET/ESP/Bigfoot/ポルターガイスト現象/"Shadow people"/BEK/チャネリング

などの遭遇体験が含まれているが、それらはほぼ同時期に雪崩のように発生している。彼の不可解体験が興味深いのは、彼だけではなく側にいた知人らもその体験を共有している点。つまり、彼の幻覚ではなく、付近の知人らも（彼の体験と同一ではないがやや類似した現象を）体験している（＝共鳴認知）。

それらの不思議現象の根は共通しており、彼自身が無自覚のうちに引き起こしている超常現象 (PSI phenomena) だと推測できる。

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Dave Scott の証言: 酷い頭痛の直後に UFO や ET に遭遇した（書式変換）

音声(2:26:23)

ON AIR WITH UFOS AND THE PARANORMAL – DAVE SCOTT

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaCal-1ODEI

音声対話(by AI)

https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/998e9649-0e3f-4021-a2e8-00b1be7def71/audio

概要 by AI

提示された文章は、Dave Scottという人物が自身の超常現象や不可解な体験について語るPodcastの文字起こしです。

彼はまず、母親の健康問題に端を発したエンジェル・オブ・デスの目撃とそれに続くチャネリング体験について詳細に述べます。この出来事以降、彼の周囲でポルターガイスト現象や予知能力が現れ始め、友人の導きによってビッグフットやUFOといった様々な存在との遭遇が増えていきます。

また、彼はこれらの超常体験の証拠写真が少ない理由について、予期せぬ出来事への反応の難しさや冷静な判断の喪失を自身の体験から説明しています。

重要箇所

Me:

1:12:11 から 1:21:44 のにかけての出来事、つまり片頭痛が起きてから知人の家の裏庭に出て光を目撃するまでの一連の出来事を詳細に整理して。

はい、承知いたしました。提供されたソースに基づき、1:12:11から1:21:44の間に語られている、片頭痛の発症から知人の家の裏庭で光を目撃するまでの一連の出来事を詳細に整理してご説明します。

この出来事は、2014年4月10日に起こりました。デイヴ・スコット氏は仕事からの帰り道に、知人の10エーカーの元乗馬牧場だった土地にある家に向かっていました。彼らは頻繁にその場所で過ごしており、以前にもビッグフットを目撃するなど、常に不思議なことが起こる「小さなミニ・イーストシティ・ランチ」のような場所だったそうです。

家に近づくにつれて、デイヴ氏は片頭痛が始まるのを感じました。家に着き、ドライブウェイに入ると、家中の電気がついているのが見え、その光が片頭痛の痛みを悪化させているのを感じました。彼はソファに座りました。

当初、頭痛は彼の目の裏側で「ドンドン」と脈打つように感じられ、まるで四角形のような痛みの形をしていました。しかし数分後、痛みが移動し、右側のこめかみで三角形のような形に脈打ち始めました。その後、反対側に移動し、円のような形に脈打つようになりました。そして突然、痛みが完全に治まりました。

痛みが治まってから5～10分後、デイヴ氏は文字通り不安発作を起こし始め、この敷地の裏庭に戻らなければならないという強い衝動に駆られました。彼は妻に、今すぐ外に出る必要がある、見なければならない何かがある、と伝えました。彼は妻には息子と一緒に家にいるように言いました。しかし、その家にいた「悪いエネルギー」を持つもう一人の女性が、自分も行く必要があると言いました。デイヴ氏はその女性の夫には「あなたは招かれていない」と言ったそうです。

彼らは急いで靴を履き、外に出ました。その夜は霞がかかっており、雲が低く垂れ込め、霧が出ていました。彼らは裏庭へと歩き、柵のラインで立ち止まりました。デイヴ氏は、何かがおかしいというエネルギーを強く感じました。その女性は彼に「彼ら」に話しかけてみるように勧めました。

デイヴ氏は、自身は教会に行かず特定の宗教を信仰していないが、神に対する強い信仰を持っていると述べた上で、**「神の平和、愛、光によって、あなたは私たちを外に呼び出しました。どこにいるか示していただけますか？」**と呼びかけました。

彼がそう言った直後、隣の敷地の裏庭、森の方角でライトが点灯しました。家は通りに2軒しかなく、隣人は60代後半の高齢夫婦で、6.5エーカーの土地を持っていました。そのライトはまるで明るい白いクリスマスツリーのように光り輝き、これまで見た中で最も明るく純粋な白色光でした。ジャーナリスト気質のデイヴ氏はすぐに、それが10万カンデラワットの懐中電灯を持った誰かではないか、自分の声が聞こえたのではないか、と考えましたが、150ヤード（約137メートル）離れていて自分の声が聞こえる可能性は非常に低いと判断しました。人や音楽の音は聞こえず、光は動いていませんでしたが、わずかにちらつきがありました。

約30秒後、光は消えました。一緒にいた女性は驚き、「もう一度やってみましょう」と言いました。デイヴ氏は同様の呼びかけを繰り返しましたが、今度は「もしあなたがエイリアンの子孫であるならば、神の平和、愛、光によって、ライトを再びつけていただけますか？」と付け加えました。すると光が再び点灯し、今度は木々の間から見てもより広く、より明るくなっていました。

デイヴ氏は光がどこから来ているのか確認しようと右側に移動しました。すると、木々の間から垂直に立つ青い円柱が見えました。それは今まで見た中で最も美しい青色で、木の高さ（60〜70フィート）と比較すると、この円柱は20〜30フィート（約6〜9メートル）の高さだったと推測しました。白い光はその青い円柱の下から発せられていましたが、円柱には触れていませんでした。また、青い円柱の周りを反時計回りに回転する黒い雲がありました。

再び約30秒後、光が消えました。女性は「あそこへ行きましょう！」と近づこうとしましたが、デイヴ氏は**「これが何かわからない」「何と遊んでいるのかわからない」「ここに私を置いていかないで」**と拒否し、ひどく怖がっていました。女性は立ち止まることに同意し、もう一度ライトをつけてもらえるか尋ねることにしました。

デイヴ氏は「自分が狂っていないと分かるように」と前置きし、「神の平和、愛、光によって、最後に一度だけライトをつけていただけますか？」と呼びかけました。ライトは最後に一度だけ点灯し、青い円柱、黒い雲、下から発せられる白い光という、先ほどと全く同じように見えました。

約30秒後、ライトは再び消えましたが、その後、点滅し始めました。オン、オフ、オン、オフと、約9回から10回繰り返しました。そして全てが再び暗くなりました。デイヴ氏はもう一度ライトをつけるように呼びかけましたが、何も起こりませんでした。

5〜6分後、彼らは家に戻ろうと向き直りました。その時、女性が雲の中にオレンジ色の球体が突き出ているのを見ました。デイヴ氏がそれを見た途端、それは雲の中に吸い込まれるように消えました。そして、先ほど見た白い光のような白い稲妻のような光が雲を波のように伝わって消えました。この出来事の間、彼らは150ヤード離れていたにも関わらず、全く音を聞きませんでした。

これらの出来事全体が、デイヴ氏がこれ以降経験することになる様々な超常現象の始まりとなりました。

要約 by AI

ブリーフィングドキュメント：Dave Scott氏の超常現象体験

出典:

"ON AIR WITH UFOS AND THE PARANORMAL – DAVE SCOTT" (Podcast文字起こし) [1of2 transcript] 「超常現象体験の始まり」 [2of2 transcript] 「不思議な体験と共感」

概要:

本ブリーフィングは、Podcast「ON AIR WITH UFOS AND THE PARANORMAL」にゲスト出演したDave Scott氏が語った、自身のUFO、超常現象、スピリット、ビッグフットなど多岐にわたる不可思議な体験に関する証言を基に作成されています。Scott氏は、これらの現象が互いに interconnected（相互に関連している）しているという信念を強調し、自身の体験がいかに従来のパラダイムを覆し、彼の人生、特に人間関係に影響を与えたかを詳細に述べています。また、自身のPodcast「Spaced Out Radio」を開始した動機についても触れています。

主要テーマと重要なアイデア/事実:

超常現象の相互関連性 ("Invisible Thread"):

Scott氏は、UFO現象、パラノーマル現象、霊能力、ビッグフットやドッグマンといったUMAなどが個別の現象ではなく、"invisible thread"（見えない糸）によって全て繋がっているという強い信念を持っています。

「私は、ごく少数の調査官しか本当に見ていない、このすべてが縫い合わされ、相互に関連しているという見えない糸があると思います。」(1:36:38)
「しかし、『Hellier』が彼らに教えたことは、すべてを結びつけるこの見えない糸があるということです。この現象があるのです。」(1:37:56)
彼はSkinwalker Ranchを引き合いに出し、UFO現象、UMA、家畜の切断、ポルターガイスト活動、ポータルの出現など、多種多様な現象が一箇所で起きていることを「すべては一つとして結びついている」ことの証左として挙げています。(1:38:06 - 1:38:52)
「そして、この分野の真の調査官は、週末の戦士のように「壁を3回ノックしてください」と言うような人ではありません。そうではありません。彼らがしているのは、この現象がどのように起こっているかの根拠を見つけようとしていることです。」(1:38:52 - 1:39:33)

個人的な体験の特異性と探求:

Scott氏の体験は、彼が知っていた従来のUFOやエイリアンのイメージとは大きく異なりました。この「なぜ自分の体験は違うのか？」という疑問が、Podcast「Spaced Out Radio」を開始する原動力となりました。

「私がラジオ番組を始めた理由は、私が経験していたことが、他の皆が見ていたことと同じではなかったからです。」(1:40:37)
彼が自宅上空で見た黒い三角形のUFOには、銀色のオーブとオレンジ色のロッドが連結しており、従来のUFOの描写とは異なっていました。(1:40:48)
森で遭遇したエイリアンは、身長10～12フィート（約3～3.6メートル）で、従来の「グレイ」や「エンカウンターズ・オブ・ザ・サード・カインド」で描かれるエイリアンのイメージとは異なりました。(1:41:42 - 1:42:20)
「私が経験したことはすべて、他の皆が経験していたこと、特にUFOやエイリアンの面で異なっていました。そして、なぜ違うのか分かりませんでした。」(1:42:20)
彼は体験の答えを見つけることができず、「必要な、自分を満足させる答えを持っていませんでした。」(1:43:55)

超常現象体験への扉と未知の深さ:

彼は、超常現象の世界への扉を開けることは、果てしなく続く未知の深さへと足を踏み入れることだと表現しています。

Pascal氏の言葉を引用し、「パラノーマルな世界への扉を開けると、ウサギの穴のどれだけ下まで行きたいですか？」と問いかけます。(1:43:06)
「その扉を開けて一歩踏み入れた瞬間、目の前に10の扉があります。そして、その10の扉のそれぞれには、さらに10の扉があります。そして、その10の扉、あるいは100の扉のそれぞれには、さらに10の扉があります。だから、扉は開くことをやめないのです。」(1:43:25)

「Angel of Death」体験（2011年12月13日）: Scott氏の最初の超常現象体験であり、その後の様々な体験への引き金となった出来事。

彼はクリスマスディナー中に母親の目の異変（青い瞳が漆黒になり瞳孔が白くなった）を目撃し、「Angel of Death」を見たと確信します。(0:59:08 - 0:59:50)
この体験後、彼はAngel of Deathをチャネリングし、母親がまだ非常に病気であり、家族がもっと世話をしなければ連れて帰ると告げられます。母親への愛を示すことで命を長らえることができると伝えられました。(1:02:50 - 1:03:22)
このチャネリングは38分間続きました。(1:02:50)
この体験の後、彼の家はすぐに幽霊が出るようになり、予知能力が現れるなど、様々な超常現象が「fast-tracking」（加速）されたと述べています。(1:06:29 - 1:07:35)
この体験は非常に怖かったが、母親の命が救われたという意味では「positive message」（肯定的なメッセージ）であったと振り返っています。(1:53:31)

UFO/ET遭遇体験（2014年4月10日）：

自宅近くの森でUFOを目撃し、数日後にエイリアンと遭遇した体験。

彼は友人の家の裏庭で、森から発光する白い光を目撃します。この光は彼の呼びかけに応じるかのように点灯・消灯しました。(1:16:24 - 1:20:25)
光の近くには青い円柱状の物体と回転する黒い雲が見えました。(1:18:32 - 1:20:25)
この光の点滅は、以前自宅上空で見ていた「パワーアップ」する衛星のような現象が、実はUFOであったことの確認（confirmation）であったと解釈しています。(1:24:21 - 1:26:41)
その5日後、同じ森で身長10～12フィートの extraterrestrial（地球外生命体）に遭遇しました。(1:41:42, 2:01:04 - 2:01:38)
遭遇したエイリアンはタン色をしており、色が変化したと言います。(2:01:38 - 2:02:08)
驚くべきことに、エイリアンは彼らを連れ去ったり傷つけたりする意図はなく、Scott氏の健康を懸念しているとSamantha氏を介して伝えてきました。(2:04:20 - 2:04:52)
この体験は、従来のエイリアンに対する恐怖のイメージを覆し、Scott氏の「entire paradigm」（全体のパラダイム）を大きく変えました。(2:02:08 - 2:03:20, 2:08:00 - 2:08:24)

体験の受容と懐疑主義への見解:

彼は自身の体験が信じがたいものであることを理解しつつも、「信じることに害はない」と主張しています。また、超常現象調査チームにおける「レジデント・スケプティック」の存在を疑問視し、誰もが自身の体験に対して懐疑的であるべきだと考えています。

自身の体験を「非常に信じがたい」と言われたことに対し、「その話を信じることの害は何でしょうか？」と問い返します。(1:46:52 - 1:47:32)
「この分野において、すべてのパラノーマルチームに必ずレジデント・スケプティックがいなければならないことに気づいたことがありますか？なぜですか？私たちは皆、私たちに起こった現象について懐疑的であるべきではありませんか？」(1:48:14)
レジデント・スケプティックがいるチームは「でたらめだ」と断言しています。(1:48:59 - 1:49:25)
彼は、他者の体験に対して「信じます」と答える理由を二つ挙げています。一つは「あなたの立場になったことがない」こと、もう一つは「私があなたを嘘つきだと呼ぶ筋合いはない」ことです。(2:09:34 - 2:10:48)

体験がもたらす犠牲とIsolation:

超常現象体験は、Scott氏の人生に大きな犠牲をもたらし、特に人間関係において深い影響を与えています。

体験者の大半は公になることを望んでおらず、体験によって感情的に影響を受け、答えを求めていると述べています。(2:10:48 - 2:11:36)
体験が原因で、仕事、家族、友人を失う人もいると語っています。(2:11:36)
Scott氏は、20年以上の付き合いがあった親友を失った経験を語り、この分野での活動がもたらす「lonely existence」（孤独な存在）であることを示唆しています。(2:11:36 - 2:13:26)
もし可能であれば、この9年間のすべての体験を放棄して、その親友と再び釣りに行きたいと、感情的に語っています。(2:15:16 - 2:17:23)

Podcastの目的と影響力:

「Spaced Out Radio」は、Scott氏自身が答えを求めるために始めましたが、同時に他の体験者に「一人ではない」と感じさせ、彼らの苦しみに寄り添う場を提供しています。

彼は、番組を通じて、父親を亡くして悲しむ人、自殺願望のある元刑務官、夫に捨てられた女性など、多くのリスナーが救われたというエピソードを語っています。(2:21:10 - 2:24:06)
「『私はあなたを信じます』というこの3つの小さな言葉は、誰かが対処し、一人ではないことを理解するのに役立つ計り知れない力を持っています。」(2:24:26)
番組は、リスナーにとってエンターテイメント、知識、そして「一人ではない」と感じられる場所を提供していると述べています。(2:25:23 - 2:25:52)

写真撮影の困難さ:

UFOやUMAなどの超常現象の鮮明な写真が少ないことについて、個人的な体験談を交えて説明しています。

森でヤマネコを目撃した際に、興奮と焦りからうまく写真を撮れなかった経験を語り、「アドレナリンが出て不安になると、指はまるで全ての親指になったようになり、うまく話せないし、脳も手と適切に話さない」と述べています。(1:28:21 - 1:31:53)
超常現象に遭遇した際、体験そのものに圧倒され、写真を撮ることまで気が回らないことが多いと説明しています。(1:32:19 - 1:33:47)

チャネリングの説明:

スピリットが体に入り込み、そのスピリットを通して話すことだと説明しています。

「チャネリングとは、スピリットがあなたの体に入り込み、あなたを通して話す許可を与えることです。」(1:34:12)
身体的変化（表情、声、呼吸）や、スピリットを体内に感じることがあると述べています。(1:34:12 - 1:34:46)
自身のチャネリング体験は、まるでテレプロンプターを読むようだったと表現しています。(1:34:46 - 1:35:15)

否定的な/邪悪な体験:

Scott氏は否定的な、あるいは邪悪な体験もしたことがあると述べています。

特にETに関連した否定的な体験があり、これについてはあまり話さないほど怖い体験だったと語っています。(1:50:37 - 1:52:09)
しかし、Angel of Deathの体験は怖かったものの、「positive message」であったと述べています。(1:53:31)
シャドウ・ピープルがシャドウ・ベアに変身したという、非常に奇妙な否定的なスピリット体験も語っています。(1:54:06 - 1:55:07)
家族ぐるみでETにアブダクションされているKarina Sables氏の例を挙げ、否定的な体験が現実にあることを強調しています。(1:52:59 - 1:53:31)

結論:

Dave Scott氏の証言は、超常現象が個別の出来事ではなく、相互に関連し合う複雑な現象であることを示唆しています。彼の個人的な体験は、従来のUFOやエイリアンのイメージを覆すものであり、その異質さが彼を更なる探求へと駆り立てました。

これらの体験は彼の人生、特に人間関係に大きな犠牲をもたらしましたが、同時に彼がホストするPodcastを通じて、同様の体験を持つ人々に共感と支援を提供し、彼らが一人ではないと感じられる場を創造する原動力ともなっています。

彼の物語は、未知の現象に対する探求心と、それによってもたらされる個人的な苦難、そして他者への共感の重要性を浮き彫りにしています。

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2011年12月13日: デイブ・スコットが「死の天使」と呼ぶものとの最初の不可思議な体験をする。これは彼の母親の健康への警告であり、彼の超常現象への旅の始まりとなる。
死の天使との遭遇から数日後: デイブの家が憑依され、超常現象が多発するようになる。この頃からデイブはチャネリングや予知などの能力を発現させ、多くの異なる超常現象を体験するようになる。
時期不明（初期の頃）: デイブは自身の体験について、パスカルと他の女性、サマンサ・マウワットに助けを求める。特にパスカルはデイブの「グル」となり、初期の超常現象体験において非常に重要な役割を果たす。
時期不明（初期の頃）: デイブは幽霊やチャネリング、スピリチュアルな側面に取り組むことから始める。パスカルはエイリアンにデイブを慣れさせようとし始めるが、デイブは抵抗する。
時期不明: デイブは友人と森に入り、ビッグフットと遭遇する。
2014年4月10日: デイブが友人の家の裏庭の森で、青い円柱状の物体と白い光を伴うUFOを目撃する。これは彼にとって、それまで夜空に見ていた説明のつかない光がUFOであったことの確認となる。
UFO目撃から5日後: デイブはサマンサ・マウワットと共に同じ森に入り、10〜12フィートの高さの異星人と遭遇する。異星人はデイブの健康について懸念を示す。
時期不明（UFOと異星人の遭遇後）: デイブは自身の体験、特にUFOや異星人との遭遇が、他の人々の体験と異なっていることに気づき、その理由を知りたいと強く思うようになる。
時期不明: デイブはジョニー・イーノックにPodcastを始めることを勧められ、「Spaced Out Radio」を開始する。これは自身の体験の答えを見つけるため、また同じような体験を持つ人々のための場を提供するためである。
時期不明: デイブは自身の超常現象体験について書いた本を執筆し始める。

登場人物

デイブ・スコット: このPodcastのゲストであり、語り手。超常現象の体験者であり、研究者、Podcast「Spaced Out Radio」のホスト。死の天使、UFO、異星人、ビッグフット、シャドーピープルなど、様々な超常現象を体験している。彼の体験は非常に個人的で強烈であり、他の人々の体験とは異なることが多い。これらの体験は彼の人生に大きな影響を与え、友人や家族との関係に緊張をもたらした。彼はこれらの体験の答えを見つけることに駆り立てられ、「Spaced Out Radio」を立ち上げた。
パスカル: デイブの「グル」であり、メンター。デイブの初期の超常現象体験、特にチャネリングにおいて重要な役割を果たした。彼はデイブにエイリアンを紹介しようと促した。
サマンサ・マウワット: デイブの知人。チャネリングや超常現象の経験者で、デイブの初期の体験をサポートした一人。デイブと共に森で異星人と遭遇した。生涯にわたるETコンタクティーである。
ジョリーン: デイブのパートナー。デイブが死の天使をチャネリングした際に同席していた。デイブの超常現象への関心に理解を示し、サポートしている。
ジョニー・イーノック: デイブの友人。デイブにPodcast「Spaced Out Radio」を始めるように勧めた人物。
デイブの母親: 2度の癌サバイバー。デイブが最初に超常現象を体験するきっかけとなった人物。「死の天使」が彼女の健康について警告した。
デイブの父親: かつては「五感」にしか興味のない人物だったが、現在はデイブの超常現象体験について話すことができる。
デイブの友人（釣り仲間）: デイブが長年の友人を失ったことの象徴として語られる人物。超常現象へのデイブの傾倒により、友情関係が断絶した。
デイブの息子: デイブがPodcastの活動のために家族との時間を犠牲にしていることの象徴として語られる存在。
カリナ・セーブルス: デイブがインタビューした女性。彼女の家族全員が異星人に連れて行かれている体験をしている。
デビッド・ウェザーリー、ティモシー・レナー、ジョン・テニー: 超常現象分野の著名な研究者たち。デイブは彼らが「すべてがつながっている」という不可視の糸に気づいているため、静かに活動していると推測している。
グレッグ・ニューカークとダナ・ニューカーク: ドキュメンタリーシリーズ「Hellier」の製作者。元々は超常現象懐疑論者で、UFOやビッグフットには興味がなかったが、「Hellier」を通じて超常現象の全てが繋がっているという考えに至った。
スタン・ロマネック: デイブが窓の外でエイリアンを見たという体験を信じている人物。彼は逮捕されたが、デイブはその体験自体は真実だと考えている。
トラビス・ウォルトン: 有名なUFOアブダクション体験者。デイブは彼の体験を引き合いに出し、エイリアンが必ずしも悪ではないという考えの根拠の一つとしている。
サンディ・リネー: デイブのPodcastに出演したサイキック・ミディアム。彼女のストーリーがデイブのPodcastの方向性を決定づけた。
マイク: デイブの友人。デイブと一緒に森林に薪を取りに行き、オオヤマネコに遭遇した。

Me:

ブリーフィングにある「もし可能であれば、この9年間のすべての体験を放棄して、その親友と再び釣りに行きたいと、感情的に語っています。(2:15:16 - 2:17:23)」の箇所は、この podcast 全体の中でも聞き所の一つなので、できるだけ原文にそって省略なしに和訳して。

はい、承知いたしました。

ブリーフィングに記載されている「もし可能であれば、この9年間のすべての体験を放棄して、その親友と再び釣りに行きたいと、感情的に語っています。(2:15:16 - 2:17:23)」の箇所について、提供されたソースに基づき、原文に沿って省略なしに日本語に翻訳します。以下が該当箇所の翻訳です。

（ホストの質問）あなたが知っている全ての事、そしてそれらの遭遇の外で経験した全ての事を踏まえて、これら全てを取り戻して、人生におけるこの道を一度も経験しないことを望みますか？

（デイヴ・スコットの回答） 100パーセントです。

あなたは、これら何もかもを一度も経験しない方を望みますか？

本当です。

うわあ。

多くの親友を失いました。ご存知の通り、それは感情的な質問です。

ええ。

それは、個人的なことなので、普段あまり個人的なことを話さないので、感情的にグッとくる、大変な質問ですね。ええと、それに対する私の答えは、今すぐ全てを諦めるということです。

過去9年間の全てを、友人ともう一度釣りに行くために全てを諦めるでしょう。もう一度、朝4時に起きて、ええと、朝3時半に起きて、彼を迎えに行って、4時15分に彼の家に着いて、マクドナルドに駆け込んで、ええと、ブレックファストブリトーをいくつか、それとアイスティーとハッシュブラウンを掴んで、お気に入りの釣り場である川に駆け込んで。他の誰よりも早くそこに着いて、火を起こして、夜明けを待つか、夜明けの1時間前に待って、それで釣りを始められるように。私は、このラジオ番組を諦めるか、友達を取り戻すかという選択肢があれば、ためらうことなく全てを諦めるでしょう。ええと、全てを諦めるでしょう。

この箇所は、超常現象体験が人生に与えた影響、特に個人的な人間関係における犠牲について、デイヴ・スコットが率直な感情を吐露している部分ですね。

展開

以下のソースは "ON AIR WITH UFOS AND THE PARANORMAL – DAVE SCOTT" というタイトルの Podcast の文字起こしです。Dave Scott がゲストで彼の不可思議な様々な体験を語っています。

[1of2 transcript]

Can we talk about your experiences? Sure. I'm sure you've probably gone into detail on the experiences in the past. I've never heard them. (0:55:02)

I've tried to find them on your YouTube channel archives, but I've never been able to find it. So, your encounters began in 2011 when you had an experience with what you call the Angel of Death. Yes. Can you explain that to me? Sure. December 13th, 2011. I'll never forget it. It was... I'm going to preface this by saying that my mother is a two-time cancer survivor, and she's gone through a lot of hell with that. (0:55:41)

I didn't really realize it until this incident happened. I lived a nice, happily boring life up until that point. I had my friends. I had my ways set. I had my family, and we were doing a Christmas dinner early for my daughter from my previous marriage. She was going to be going away with her mom's parents, her grandparents, over Christmas and New Year's on a Caribbean cruise. (0:56:33)

I figured, you know what? She's going to be gone for three and a half weeks. I figured, you know, instead of waiting until after Christmas for her to open up her presents and it's all over with, I figured, you know, what we'll do is I'll make a real special night for her on her last night with me before she would go back to her mom's for one night, and then the following morning she would get up and go on the cruise. (0:57:01)

So I had my sisters over, my nephews over, my nieces over, my parents, my uncle, my grandmother, a few friends. We had about 20, 22, 25 people in the house. And we had a big turkey dinner for her, you know, like we just did everything up the way that you would on Christmas Day. And she opened up all her gifts and opened, you know, and we did a real special thing for her. And she deserves it. She deserved it. (0:57:34)

And so at about 7.45 I was in my dining room, or pardon me, my living room and my dining room. It was one big room, kind of tidying up because people were doing the dishes and I wanted to make sure that, you know, I did my part to help out and clean up and everything like that. Plus it got me away from people, which is always a good thing. (0:58:04)

And so my parents announced that they were leaving because Lord knows with my parents, you can't miss a minute of dancing with the stars, you know, even on a family night and even on a night when the Canucks are playing. (0:58:15)

So my mom was in the kitchen and I was in the dining room and my partner, Jolene, she was in the kitchen doing dishes with her mom. And so we ended up, we ended up, pardon me, I went in from the, you know, I had my handful of drinking glasses and everything and my parents announced they were leaving and I was kind of pissed off because, you know, my parents could be a little selfish that way. (0:58:54)

And I put the glasses down and I walk into the, we had this doorway separating the dining room from the kitchen. So I put all the glasses down in the dining room table and I walk into the kitchen and I kind of, my mom is right there and I kind of got my arms open and as I crossed the threshold to the kitchen to give my mom a hug and a kiss goodbye, I noticed that there was no sound coming around, there was no sound from the Canucks game on TV. Everybody was like, it was like everything just stopped. And I looked at my mom and her beautiful blue eyes were jet black and her pupils were white. And immediately I knew that I was staring into the eyes of the angel of death. (0:59:50)

And I remember kind of tilting my head this way and kind of like, what the... And my mom all of a sudden got this look like, oh, you see me. She then shook her head. Boom, the sound goes on on the television and my mom's eyes are blue. She comes in, gives me a hug, like nothing happened. And I'm standing there wanting to cry and I feel immediately sick to my stomach because I know what I just saw. So I wasn't into any of this bullshit. (1:00:29)

I wasn't into the paranormal. Yes, I enjoyed the television shows and UFO hunters. I wasn't a skeptic or a denier. I had an interest in watching the television shows. I didn't have an interest in learning about it or investigating about it. You know, never really thought about it. And so after the night was over, a couple hours later and everybody had left our house, kids are in bed asleep. (1:01:00)

My partner says to me, let's go into the living room and relax because I was rattled the rest of the night. And one of our friends that was there, she's quite psychic and intuitive. And she never asked me, but she knew something happened. She just knew. She just, she's not the type of person who pries. And so I, um, I walked into, uh, or Jolene and I walked into our living room and we had, I was sitting on the love seat. (1:01:31)

There was a big square table in between and she was on the big couch across from me. And she's like, let's just relax. Let's light a candle. Cause she was into all this Zen and Chi crap that I didn't believe in. And she goes, why don't you just relax and tell me what you saw. So I started, you know, doing, she put me through some breathing exercises and, and, you know, and I just kind of tuned out and zoned out. Next thing I know, I start channeling the angel of death. Um, it was 38 minutes long. (1:02:08)

There was a recording of it, but thank you to, uh, the way iTunes or iPhones, uh, die that recording is now gone, but I ended up channeling the angel of death and, and now my idea of channeling before that, and I happen to have a remote control here cause I have a television right here for my studio, but my idea of channeling was grabbing the up channel and just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. (1:02:44)

You know, that was my idea of what channeling was, you know, flipping through the channels as fast as you can to find something that you watch because you're that bored. (1:02:50)

You know what I'm saying? And so the angel of death said to me through me that my mom was indeed still very sick. And if we did not start taking better care of her as a family, he was going to take her home. He didn't say heaven. He didn't say hell. He just said, I'm going to take her home. (1:03:22)

And I asked how to keep my mother alive. Is there a way? And he said, yes, you have to show your mom more love. Everybody has to show mom more love. And we weren't treating my mother very well. And I'm man enough to say that now, but my mother during her episodes with cancer and other health issues, she became addicted to the sympathy. (1:03:54)

But the angel of death put it all into perspective, saying that mom was telling the truth. And basically that we were a bunch of assholes for being selfish. So I did exactly what the angel of death told me to do. I talked to my sisters about it. I talked to my grandmother about it. I talked to a couple of my mom's friends about it. I never talked to my dad about it because my dad at the time was a real five senses guy. (1:04:21)

My sisters and I kind of joke about it now, but our family has always been one where we don't have serious conversations. We're not allowed to have serious. It's all about small talk with our family. If we start talking something serious, all of a sudden my dad gets into the Coke versus Pepsi battle. And that's the truth. So I couldn't talk to my dad about it at that time. Now I could. (1:04:49)

Now I could completely do it, but at the time I couldn't. He was just way too narrow-minded. And so the angel of death told me how to keep my mom alive. And nine years later, we're coming up nine years and my mother is still alive. She's now 77 years old and she's still battling some health issues like with the COVID problem going on. (1:05:25)

She can't go out and do the shopping that she normally would. She struggles. But that's what radiation and chemotherapy do. They beat the tar out of your system. And it's amazing to me that after the billions upon billions of dollars that go into cancer research on an annual basis, that we don't have anything outside of chemicals from Agent Orange back in World War II that could help people survive the aftermath. (1:05:59)

Because great, it kills the cancer and you get a few good years left. Some people live another 30, 40, 50, 60 years, if not more. But it's the side effects that really harm you. It doesn't protect you from other things. And so that could end up in another whole conspiratorial talk with Dave here, but we're not going there. (1:06:29)

So that's what happened is I saw the angel of death and he channeled through me. And within a couple of days of that, my house became immediately haunted. Immediately. It was like a doorway opened up. All of a sudden, I started having premonitions that a good friend of mine who used to be a hostess at the Playboy Mansion, that she was going to date a famous rock star. And that ended up happening. (1:06:51)

There was a lot that all of a sudden started taking place. All of a sudden, I knew things that I didn't quite tune into before. And a lot of people who are way more experienced in this field than me call it fast-tracking. That a lot of people will get fast-tracked with a lot of different experiences that they, whoever they are, give you as much as they think that you can handle. And it was almost every night. (1:07:35)

Almost every night. And it started off with the channeling and the paranormal and ghosts. And I thought, hey, this is pretty cool. I can speak to ghosts. (1:07:40)

I started working with a gentleman named Pascal, who is still to this day my guru. And I love the guy. And he is probably the most influential and important person, or one of the top important people in my paranormal life. And I remember meeting with him, and him saying that first conversation, how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? And I said, stupidly, let's just go all the way. (1:08:20)

And it got to the point where every time I wanted to see something, I was given the ability to see it. I wanted to see Bigfoot. My friend and I walk into a forest behind his yard, and there's two Bigfoot there. It opened my eyes to a lot. It confirmed a lot of things with what other people were saying, which has given me a really interesting and diverse look at this entire phenomena. (1:08:46)

A lot of people, it's funny because a lot of people, especially a few years ago, used to say, oh, this guy is bullshitting. This guy comes out of nowhere, claims all of these experiences. He has no proof. He only has his word. This guy's full of it. I still have those critics today. And frankly, I don't care. I really don't care. (1:09:13)

I know what I experienced. And I've had people accuse me of saying this stuff because I'm trying to get ratings or build up spaced out radio. And that's simply untrue. I wouldn't do that for anything. It's just if you knew who I was and knew the type of person I was, not the on-air personality, you know that I'm a pretty honest and truthful guy. (1:09:35)

Doesn't matter how hard the truth can hurt sometimes. And that's just the way it is. You know, and so it started off with a lot of ghosts and a lot of channeling and really working on my spiritual side of everything. And then the big foot came and then all of a sudden Pascal for about six months kept on bugging me saying, you know, my guides are telling me that we need to start introducing ETs to you. (1:10:09)

And I said, no, I saw fire in the sky. I know what happened to Travis Walton. No, no, no, no. I couldn't finish reading communion. So I am not going down that road. And he's like, well, what if, what if you don't have a choice? And I said, well, what about my free will? He goes, well, what about it? And I went, well, I thought I had free will on this stuff and I don't want my free will going towards aliens. (1:10:39)

Aliens are bad. Yeah. The UFOs started coming and started off with just blinking lights in the sky over top of my house. And we used to go out on our patio on a nice, we used to have this habit, like on a nice spring night or a fall night or summer night, we'd grab a glass of wine and we just put our lawn chairs, lead them right back. And we'd count satellites. (1:11:08)

Well, after a while we started noticing all of these, you know, what they call power ups happening over top of our house. Or in the direction of whatever it was at the time we thought they were satellites flying over our house. And we would see this numerous times. Like we'd see the satellites flying by and sometimes they'd be in a formation of, oh, look, there's two of them. (1:11:37)

They're going at the same speed. And, and look, they're powering up together. And, you know, isn't that cute? Yeah, no. And so I kept talking to Pascal. He's like, see, I told you. I'm like, no, I don't want to meet aliens. And it really culminated on April 10th, 2015. No, 2014. Pardon me. (1:12:11)

April 10th, 2014. I was driving home from work and we used to hang out with these people. They had a 10 acre parcel of, of land that used to be a horse, a family horse farm. And there were only two houses on the street. This is where I saw the Bigfoot. This is where we, it was like a little mini East City ranch there. (1:12:33)

It was like weird stuff happening all the time at this place. We hung out with these people quite a bit. And, and so my partner happens to be over there with our infant son. And as I'm driving there, I start realizing that I'm starting to get a migraine. And I pull into the driveway. I walk inside and all the lights are on and my eyes, I can just feel the thump, thump, thump behind my eyes. And God, I hate migraines. (1:13:07)

And then again, I don't know anybody who actually likes them, but I realized, you know, I sit down on the couch and my partner says to me, she goes, do you want to go? Oh, I said to her, pardon me. I said, I don't know how long I'm going to be able to stay. (1:13:27)

I'm starting to have a migraine. I think I'm going to go home. I'm going to, you know, turn off all the lights and I'm just going to close the door to the bathroom and, and have a shower in the dark and put a washcloth over my face, turn the hot water on because my head was pounding. She's like, well, do you want to go home now? And I said, nope. (1:13:46)

I said, I just got here. Just enjoy your tea. I'll just close my eyes here and realize that the pounding was coming straight across here, right across here, kind of like in the shape of a square. (1:13:58)

After a few minutes of my eyes closed, I noticed that it had moved. The pain had moved to the right side of my head and this time was kind of pounding in a triangular shape. Then it moved over to the other side of my head where it was pounding like a circle. It was weird because the pain all of a sudden just subsided. (1:14:24)

And after about five, 10 minutes of the pain subsiding, I literally started having an anxiety attack that I needed to go back in the backfield of this property. And so I said to my wife, I said, I need to go back there. I need to go outside right now. She's like, why? I said, I don't know. There's something there that I need to see. (1:14:43)

I got to go out there right now. She goes, oh, can I come with you? I said, no, you got to stay inside with the boy. And the other lady of the house, who I don't really talk about anymore because she is just really bad energy. She looks at me and she goes, I said, you need to come with. And so she says to her hubby, and they're not no longer together anymore, but she says to her hubby, Dave is picking something up. (1:15:15)

We need to go outside right now. I looked at her. I said, he can't come. He's not invited. Why would I tell somebody that they can't go into their own backyard? So she goes, because she's very intuitive. She goes, okay. So her and I quickly get our shoes on. (1:15:32)

It's one of those nights, they lived on top of a mountain. And it was one of those nights where you had a real hazy cloud or like low cloud cover, like only a couple hundred feet. And it was really misty and, and everything. And we walked back into the backyard and we're like, kind of wondering what we're going to see. (1:15:47)

And we stopped at this fence line and you could just feel the energy that something was not right. And I said, she goes, well, they called you outside, try and talk to him. I said, well, what do I say? And she's like, I don't know. And I said, out of God's peace, love and light. (1:16:08)

Now you mentioned God, because, you know, as much as I don't go to church and I don't profess to be a part of any type of religion, I do have a very strong belief in God. And that's as far as I usually go in that conversation. But I said, out of God's peace, love and light, you called us outside. Can you please show us where you are? (1:16:24)

And as soon as I said, show us where you are, bang, these lights come on from the back field in the neighbor's property. Now that remember, there's only two houses on this street. The neighbors are an elderly couple in their late sixties. They own six and a half acres. My friend owns 10 and there's the entire property is horseshoed by forest. (1:16:48)

And from their back area towards where the forest is, it lights up like a bright white Christmas tree. And it was the brightest light, white light I've ever seen, just pure white light. And the journalist in me then kicks in and I'm like, okay, is it somebody running around with one of those hundred thousand candle watt flashlights? Could they have heard me? And I'm like, no, because at 150 yards away, the chances of you hearing me in the same volume that I'm talking to you right now are very slim to none. Okay. Do I hear people? No. Do I hear music? No. Okay. Is the light moving? (1:17:32)

No. Is it moving around? Is it flickering? Well, there is a little flicker. Okay. So after 30 seconds of this, oh my God type moment, the light goes off. (1:17:44)

And the lady says to me, holy cow. I'm like, dude, this is unbelievable. She goes, well, do it again. I said, I said, if you were of alien descent out of God's peace, love, and like, can you please turn your lights back on? Boom. Lights come back on again. This time it's wider and brighter through the trees. (1:18:13)

And it's like, you gotta be shitting me right now. And it was like, wow. So I started moving over to my right because I wanted to get a, trying to figure out where this white light is coming from. What is it emanating from? Okay. Seeing if there's people moving in the light or the shadows of them, you know, I'm trying to get anything. (1:18:32)

And I saw something blue. And so as I moved over to my right, I noticed that through the trees, there was this blue cylinder standing vertically. And the only way it was the most beautiful blue I've ever seen. Okay. Now the trees that separated the two yards, they were probably 60, 70 foot trees. So this thing, you know, in comparison to the trees, this thing was probably 20 to 30 feet up. (1:19:04)

And the white light was coming from underneath it. It wasn't touching this blue cylinder. It was coming from underneath it. And this blue cylinder had this, this black cloud that was rotating counterclockwise. And it would go up to about halfway, and then it would come back down. And then after 30 seconds, the lights go off. The lady who's with me says, let's go over there. (1:19:38)

And I said, no. She said, come on, I want to go over there. I want to see this. I said, hold on a second here. We don't know what the hell this thing is. Okay. We don't know what that is. We don't know what we're playing with. You're not leaving me here. I said, because I'm not going back inside alone. Once this is all done, we don't know what's going on here. (1:19:58)

Like, come on, like, let's think a little bit here. You know, and so she stayed with me. She goes, fine. She goes, well, let's see if they'll turn the lights on once again. So I said, just so I know I'm not crazy, out of God's peace, love, and light, can you turn your lights on one final time? Boom, lights come on. (1:20:25)

It looks exactly the same. I can see the blue cylinder. I can see the black cloud. And I could see the white light emanating from kind of underneath it. I never saw the shape of a craft or anything. And all of a sudden, after about 30 seconds, the lights go off. But then they power on. (1:20:52)

Then they power off. Then they power on. Then they turn off. And it did this about nine, ten times before everything went dark again. And we're just standing in the field. And we're like, oh my God, this just happened. So I'm like, out of God's peace, love, and light, can you please turn it back on? I gotta know. (1:21:15)

This is way too real. Nothing happened. Nothing happened. But we turned to go back to the house after about five, six minutes. And the lady looks up into the clouds, and she sees this orange orb poking through the cloud. And as soon as I saw it, it sucked back into the cloud. (1:21:38)

And then like a white lightning bolt of the white light that we just saw just rippled through the clouds, and it was gone. We did not hear any sound. (1:21:44)

Like we're 150 yards away from this. If it's an engine, like a helicopter or something, we're going to hear some sound. There was no sound, nothing. So that was weird. Well, first of all, the angel of death story gave me the chills from head to toe. And that doesn't happen very often to me. (1:22:12)

The story that you told me about the lights in the forest, that one didn't bother me so much. Do you think that the experience with that one was a positive experience? Yes. Which one, the UFOs or the angel of death? The UFO one, the lights in the forest. Yeah, totally. I don't know if it's the way you were telling it or the energy you were giving off, or if it was the experience itself. (1:22:50)

But one affected me in a really chilling way. And the other one affected me as a listener of those two stories. It affected me in a way that was more calm and peaceful. I just found that interesting. That is kind of cool. Yeah. Well, I mean, don't forget the one plays with our intense fear of dying. (1:23:17)

Oh, that's true. And death and afterlife. And one deals with the unknown. Or if you've seen a UFO, you're more calm to it. I have never seen a UFO. I may have had some experiences with ghosts when I was a kid. But how do you know if those are real when you're a kid? Exactly. They could be false memories or any number of explanations. (1:23:41)

Absolutely. You didn't start experiencing that stuff until you were an adult. Well, I had lived in a haunted house and worked in a haunted building before. Okay, so that wasn't out of the norm. It was still weird. But for this one, I like for the landing, I was panicking. Because remember, I told Pascal, I wanted nothing to do with aliens or UFOs. Now, the interesting part about the third time it turned its lights on was the fact that it was powering up and turning the lights off. (1:24:21)

It was almost like it was saying the translation that I got in my head was all those times that I was sitting on my patio, watching the satellites power up and down over top of my house, that it wasn't satellites at all. It was kind of like confirmation that this is us. We know where you are. We're coming for you. (1:24:54)

The experiences that I have had, other people have gone public with those stories, and they have been dismissed as being made up or false or inaccurate or impossible. And when it's happened to me, it's kind of confirmed like, yes, that really did happen to that person. So, for instance, the UFO crowd will say that those power-ups are a reflection of the iridium. (1:25:22)

There may be iridium flares on the satellites, or they're a reflection, because satellites don't have lights. What we see at night when a satellite goes by is the reflection from the metal when it hits the sunlight, because it's up so high that it can still be affected by the sun. And even though it's dark where we are, they're high enough where they still have the reflection of the sun. (1:25:54)

So, for me, those power-ups that I was seeing watching this craft on the ground was a confirmation to me that these power-ups were happening. And what we were seeing up above our house, because it was always weird, it always seemed to happen above our house. It wasn't way off in the distance. Sometimes it would start off way in the distance, these power-ups, and by the time it got to our house, it was powering up. (1:26:22)

And it was like you could talk to them. You'd be like, hey, can you do that again? Flare. Can you do that again, please? Flare. Okay, can you do a double shot of the flare? Flare. Flare. And it got cool. It was almost a game at this point. We were communicating with them. (1:26:41)

And that's what it confirmed with me. And then after that happened, it became a game. So there's a lot of people who will say, no, Dave, you're wrong on that. But they weren't in the forest that day. In the middle of the night. They weren't there. They don't know what I saw. They don't understand that when you have a close encounter like that, there is a form of communication that has taken place, whether you like it or not. (1:27:17)

And it confirms a lot of the suspicions that you may have with the phenomena. So that's what I think, at least. It's easy to be a skeptic when you've never had that experience. It's easy to dismiss somebody's experience. Because it does sound fantastical. It does. It sounds like your imagination was running away with you. You had too many beers at the party earlier that night. (1:27:50)

I don't know how beers would cause somebody to hallucinate like that. But maybe there was more than beers going around at that party or something. These type of explanations are what people call pragmatic explanations to these experiences that they're uncomfortable with. Absolutely. I think it's amazing. I've never had an experience like that. And I'm not sure if I would want to. I don't know how I would act or react. (1:28:21)

It throws you for a loop. Not to sidetrack or anything, but I just recently wrote a blog about bad photos. How I suck at taking pictures, and so do you, is what it's called. Here's why. And a week ago, I knew the snow was coming, so I knew I didn't have enough firewood for the year. So I went and loaded up a trailer in the back of my truck with firewood. (1:29:00)

So my buddy Mike and I were driving out into the forest, in behind our town. And we're on the logging road, and it's muddy, and it's filthy, and it's just gross out. And we're about five miles in, and 30 feet, 40 feet, maybe 50 feet at the furthest, right in front of us, a giant lynx jumps onto the road. And so I hammer the brakes, and well, I'm only doing like 25, not even 20 miles an hour, like real slow. (1:29:42)

I stop my vehicle, the lynx is standing there right in front, and I'm like, dude, I gotta get a picture of this. And I got my phone sitting on my dash, you know, because I got the phone area there. So I got my... and dude, I'm jumbling trying to get my phone. This lynx looks at me, and it's like, really dude? I'm giving you the perfect camera opportunity here, and you can't figure out that stupid phone, you know. (1:30:04)

And so the lynx then starts, you know, I'm fiddling, and I'm hitting everything, you know, Siri's popping on. I'm like, Frank, I don't want Siri, I want my damn camera, you know. And it was that moment when I realized that in all my fumbling and bumbling, that there's no surprise as to why, unless you're carrying a GoPro with you, where you're filming, there's absolutely no way you're ever going to take a good picture of a UFO, an alien, or a Sasquatch, or a dog man, or anything like that. (1:30:44)

It's just impossible, because when the adrenaline gets going, and you get anxious because you got to capture this moment, your fingers turn into like all opposing thumbs, and they can't talk, your brain isn't talking to your hands properly. And so the cat goes into this ditch right beside me, and I finally get my camera up, I push my window down, and I said, I said, hey, puss, can I take your picture, please? (1:31:09)

Right, and the cat stops and looks at me. So I quickly am starting to take photos, I took like four of them, right? Only one turns out. And of course, thank you to the beautiful camera on the iPhones. You know, it's all grainy and looks like crap. Right? So it's one of those things where I kind of taught, I put it into the perspective of if that was a Bigfoot, or if that was a dog man, or an alien in the forest, there is no way I could have captured that. I'm an experiencer. (1:31:45)

This shit doesn't phase me, I get excited. But there's no way that I could capture that photo. (1:31:53)

It's impossible. And I'm not saying, look, if I can't do it, nobody can. I'm not saying that at all. But when I hear these people talking about, you know, well, oh, I would just, you know, like, when you saw the alien in the forest, Dave, why didn't you just grab your phone and take a picture of it? You don't think about it. (1:32:19)

I'm a I am a photographer. And I've had the same thought cross my mind. Just by simply trying to take pictures of small animals. You know, they they move so quick. And, you know, it occurred to me some time ago, that, you know, you're out there with a camera, even if you have a camera at the ready, and something pops up, you still have to do some adjustments to make sure you get a good picture, you have to hold it steady. (1:32:46)

There's so much that you have to do. And your mind is already swimming because of the experience that you're encountering at that moment. You know, I've never had an experience. But I know, if I did that, my reality would be so disrupted, that thinking about taking a photograph is going to be the last thing on my mind really, even if I had a camera in my hand. (1:33:15)

And that's exactly it. It's just we don't know until we're put into that situation. And it's funny, because a lot of people who are non-experiencers, they don't understand the pressure that actually goes around with having something happen that fast. Because much like with you photographing animals, it's a fleeting moment in time. (1:33:47)

It's not something that you can just stand out and say, Mr. Bigfoot, can you just stop right there for a second, I'm just going to grab a photo of you. You know, it doesn't work that way. And you have to be understanding and cognizant of that. Now, if you don't mind, I'd like to backtrack just a little bit, because your earlier experiences, you said they started coming pretty fast and frequently, and you started channeling. (1:34:12)

And can you just explain what channeling is? Because I'm not exactly clear on what that is. Okay, channeling is when a spirit enters your body, and you give them permission to speak through you. A lot of times people's bodily actions will change. Sometimes their faces will morph into something different. Their voice tone will change. Their breathing style will change. And you literally can feel the spirit within you. (1:34:46)

And it's like, you move on over, like for me, it was like moving on over and having this spirit come in, and you share your body. Okay, so for me, a lot of people can, this is where your clairs come in, your clairaudient, your clairsentient, your clairvoyance, and all the different clairs that there are, chocolatey clair, you know, they all kind of come into play here. (1:35:15)

For me, it was like, when I would channel, it would be like reading a teleprompter, kind of like, you know, at the beginning of Star Wars, where it's all flat, and you're kind of reading and it's going off into the distance. That's what it would look like for me. Does it still happen to you? (1:35:34)

I haven't done it in a couple of years. Is it something that you initiate, or it just happens? You can initiate it, if you're in the right frame of mind. My problem is I don't have time. And all of this takes time, like I wouldn't tell somebody to, because it's weird, you have to learn how to channel. (1:36:03)

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Okay, because the first couple times I did it, I had to have, you know, after the first time it happened, I had to have Pascal there and another lady named Samantha Mowat there, who would kind of walk me through it, because you have to just let the words come naturally. You can't speak for it. (1:36:24)

You have to let it speak and then, you know, repeat what it's saying. How is spirits and the paranormal and psychic abilities related to the UFO experience? Good question. I think there is this invisible thread that very few investigators are really looking into to see that this is all sewn together and interconnected. So many people, remember when we talked earlier about podcasts, how everything is broken down to the finite details that people aren't looking for information? This is why all the big names in this field, like David Weatherly, like Timothy Renner, like John Tenney, this is why a lot of them are very quiet. (1:37:23)

Have you seen the show Hellier? Yes. Okay. I'm a big fan of Hellier. I think they're on an incredible mission, whatever it is. I know it's weird. I know it's strange. But the one thing that I do know in talking with Greg Newkirk and Dana Newkirk and the others, they were all paranormal skeptics. They were all paranormal investigators. They didn't really get into the UFO phenomena. (1:37:48)

They weren't into the Bigfoot phenomena or the monster phenomena or anything along those lines. They just were not into it. Okay. But the one thing that Hellier has taught them is that there is this invisible thread that ties everything together. That there is this this phenomena. And this is a lot of what I believe is being studied at Skinwalker Ranch. Because if you look at Skinwalker Ranch, they have everything there. (1:38:17)

They have UFO phenomena. They got monster phenomena, whether it's Bigfoot or Dogman. They have mutilations happening. They have paranormal activity. The houses have poltergeist activity. There's a lot of portals opening up. Exactly. Okay. There's a lot of that going on. Well, how can that all be in one place? So how is it all tied together? So to say that ghosts are ghosts, UFOs are UFOs, Dogman or Dogman, Bigfoot or Bigfoot, fairies are fairies. (1:38:52)

Okay. Mermaids are mermaids. It's all tied together as one. And the real investigators of this field aren't the weekend warriors going to say, can you please knock three times on the wall? No, they're not doing that. Okay. What they're doing is trying to find a basis to how this phenomena is happening. Okay. And how is it all tied together? For instance, there's a lot of people who go out there, they'll have a Bigfoot experience in the forest. (1:39:24)

And the next thing you know, they're driving home at night back to their property and there's a black triangle hovering over their house. They've never seen a UFO before, but this is happening. Or all of a sudden, you know, they pull into their house or they hear somebody walking up the stairs and they know that they're the only one home. (1:39:46)

Or lights start flickering. Why does this all happen? There's always a spark that causes this to happen. And this is what the real investigators out there are looking for is how is all of this phenomena tied together? Why are some people targeted and the majority of people are left alone? I don't know. But do you have a theory on that? Or have you ever thought of possibly asking whatever this force is that's invaded your life? Like just asking it to see if you get an answer from it. (1:40:26)

If I knew that I wouldn't have spaced out radio. And I mean that with all honesty and respect. So is that why you started spaced out radio? To find answers? The reason why I started the radio show was because the experiences that I was having were not the same as what everybody else was seeing. So for instance, when I saw the black triangle over my house, it wasn't dot dot dot in the three corners. (1:41:03)

No, there was these silver orbs with connecting orange rods all under the undercarriage of this thing. When I saw Carl at the window, the alien at the window, I know Stan Romanek, who is now busted for some pretty horrific things. But I believe that alien at the window because I've had it happen. And I saw the big black eyes. I saw the big gray head. And it was only less than seven feet away from me. (1:41:31)

When I look at all of these things that have happened in my life, I started the radio show because I couldn't find the answers. I could find things that were similar, but I could not find things that equated to what I was experiencing. So when I saw the alien in the forest with Samantha Mowat five days after the landing of the UFO in the same forest, I didn't know that there were 10 to 12 foot extraterrestrials. (1:42:12)

My interpretation of aliens was close encounters of the third kind, or fire in the sky with the grays, or the front cover of communion. That's what I was expecting. (1:42:20)

So everything that I had happened to me, it was different than what everybody else was experiencing, especially on the UFO front, and the alien front. And I didn't know why it was different. I remember I would go to bed at 2, 3, 4, 5 o'clock every morning because I was researching. I would go to bed at 10, 30, 11 o'clock at night, and I would sit my laptop on my lap. (1:42:53)

I'd play a game of poker on Poker Stars, and then I'd get into my UFO stuff. And I would try to figure out why this is happening. Why is mine different? Why do I always have to be different? I remember asking myself that. Why does my stuff have to be different? And the only thing that I could say is, when you open the door to the paranormal world, as Pascal said, how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? The minute you open that door and you step in, there's 10 doors in front of you. (1:43:25)

And behind each one of those 10 doors is another 10 doors each. And behind each one of those 10 doors, or those 100 doors, there's another 10 doors behind each one of those doors. So the doors never stop opening. And this is what is frustrating about this. I didn't have the answers that I was looking for, that I needed to satisfy myself. (1:43:55)

So my buddy Johnny Enoch comes to me and he's like, well, why don't you start up the podcast? Well, what the hell is a podcast? He goes, you go on the radio, man. I said, dude, you just can't walk into a radio station and say, I want to show. It doesn't work that way. I worked in the business. He's like, no man, do it digitally. What the hell is that? That's literally the conversation we had. (1:44:14)

Have you tried... I almost hesitate to say it because every time I ask a person, but regressive hypnosis, you ever tried that for any of the experiences? Tried. The interesting part about that was I went into one... I've only tried it once. I went into a regressive therapy or hypnotherapy. And during my relaxation, where I'm trying to open up that door, I'm sitting here. (1:44:51)

Okay. You know, I'm sitting in the comfy chair. And all of a sudden I hear one of my guides in my head say, I'm going to quote here. Oh, this is bullshit. We're not doing this. You know, come on, wake up. You know, you're not going to get anything. (1:45:12)

Just wake up. Let's get the hell out of here. This lady can't handle what we're about to tell her anyways. So literally it was this lady can't handle what we're about, what we would tell her anyways. So literally I, I, uh, snap out of it. And I said, excuse me, ma'am. And she goes, yeah. (1:45:31)

I said, this isn't going to work. She goes, why? I said, uh, my spirit guides won't allow me. She's like, okay. She goes, I understand that we'll try again. (1:45:41)

I've never tried again. Oh, okay. I do want to try it though. I do. I, I have this morbid curiosity because I know I've been taken about six times, maybe seven. Maybe there's more. I don't know. I don't know if I was taken as a child, as a young adult. I don't know. Right. But I know I've been taken five, six, seven times. And I do have this morbid curiosity to learn about what happened. (1:46:21)

And, um, it's kind of cool and interesting to, to say that I really want to find out. I really, really want to find out. I mean, like your, your experiences, they're hard to believe. Okay. And I'm not saying that to, to throw stones at you or anything. I, I believe what you're saying, but it's very hard to believe that. I want to, can I ask you something? Oh, sure. (1:46:52)

Because you said something that, that just kind of piqued my curiosity. Uh, you said that the stories are hard to believe. Okay. I know you're not saying that in an obtrusive or insulting way. I do understand that. What I do want to ask you is this, what would be the harm in believing the tale? There is no harm believing it. Although it does challenge one's existing belief paradigm. (1:47:32)

So that's where the difficulty is. You know, I, on one hand, I believe, and it's not me. I mean, I'm saying most people would have trouble believing these stories. For me, it's not a big deal. I mean, I I'm open to believing just about anything unless I, I get a vibe off of somebody that they seem like just a crazy person. (1:48:00)

Yeah. Very, very much so. Yeah. And I don't get that vibe off of you just for the record. Okay. No, no. Because the reason why I ask is in this field, we, you ever noticed that every paranormal team has to have the resident skeptic on the team? Why? Shouldn't we all be skeptical of the phenomena that has happened to us? Skeptical? Yes. So I always find that funny. (1:48:30)

Like for instance, if I'm, if I want to interview a paranormal team, there's a few things that I look for. I look to see, do they have a resident demonologist on the team? Because then I know they're BS. And I also have a good laugh when I see someone who has to put in their, in their bio or something that they, they are the, the team skeptic. (1:48:59)

If you really need to have a team skeptic, that immediately tells me your team is full of shit. Just so you know, paranormal people out there. Yes. I'm looking right at you. Your team is full of shit. If you have to have a resident skeptic. Okay. Because you should, everybody should be skeptical of their own, of their own experiences. That way, if you're skeptical of the, of your own experiences, you'll know right from wrong. (1:49:25)

So let, let, let's rewind it a little bit. Cause I wanted to ask you this question about the, there's a lady that I had on my podcast who is a psychic medium. Her name is Sandy Linnae. She's a friend of mine, or she's a sister of my neighbor. Anyway, this, this is really, her story is what kicked off my journey into taking my podcast in this direction. (1:49:52)

But the way it relates to your story is because she's never experienced the alien part of what, what we're talking about, but she has had encounters with evil entities. (1:50:05)

And she had some, the evil entities that this lady had encountered. And I mean, they were, they actually at one point attacked her with this one being attacked her and held her physically by the throat and with multiple witnesses around her. And they had to basically drag her away from the area where she was being attacked in order for the attack to stop. (1:50:37)

It's a, it's an interesting experience. And have any of your experiences been like evil or in a really negative way? Yes. And is that, do you think that they are, do you think that the, the aliens are, are evil, or do you think that that's a different? I guess, I guess it's all speculation, man. But what, what are your thoughts on the evil part of this whole phenomena? There are some horrific experiences happening out there that I don't think that any buddy would want to happen. (1:51:29)

I have had one experience that I literally do not ever want to have happen again. I don't really talk about that experience. It, it scares the living daylights out of me. I get angry, don't like it. I know my partner was there because I saw her there. I knew there were other people there because I saw other people around on this craft. (1:52:09)

It was just, it was not fun. And it was, it was a difficult time. I talk a little, I'm writing a book right now of all of my experiences and I get into it a little bit there, but I don't go into the full detail of what's happened, nor will I, that's between that entity and myself and, and, you know, me being a former hockey player, I always have that don't get mad, get even type of attitude. (1:52:36)

But in this one, I am mad and I will get even. It's just something that, you know, I do believe that there are some horror stories out there, whether it's, you know, poltergeist activity, whether it's malevolent type spirits, whether it's aliens that are rogue or bad or whatever, you know, it's happening. It really is happening. And we need to believe this. (1:52:59)

I mean, I know there's one lady who I've interviewed before, Karina Sables, where her entire family, including now her grandchildren, are being taken by these beings and it doesn't stop. She's asked them to stop, but it does not stop. So yes, they are happening and it's not fun. So your negative experiences, well, the one you told me about, the angel of death, that was pretty scary. (1:53:31)

It was scary, but it was still positive because my mother is still alive. Yes, that's true. It was a positive message. Right? It was a wake-up call. That's what it was, is it was a wake-up call. The experiences that you've had that were of a negative nature, were they on the spirit side or on the alien side or both? Alien side. Now, I have met probably one of the weirdest experiences that I had with a negative spirit. Now, I've been attacked by ghosts and everything. It's not fun. (1:54:06)

You know, but the paranormal side of everything really doesn't bother me. One of the cool things I saw was back at the farm, we were with some friends and we had seen a spirit cross the way and friends were in the forest and I was standing with one of my friend's wives and we were kind of walking towards this sign, the street sign. (1:54:43)

And the reason why we were walking towards it was because there was a shadow person standing there. And as we started walking towards that shadow person, that person transformed into a shadow bear and it looked like there was a bear running at us. (1:55:07)

So her and I actually took off, thinking that there was a bear right there. And then when we turned and looked, it was gone. Just disappeared. Wow. Right? Yeah, that's wild. Yeah. And supposedly shadow people are completely different than ghosts or demons or aliens. Shadow people are kind of an entity of their own. Right. I mean, obviously, you're doing a lot of digging on your own to find answers. (1:55:49)

That's why I watch your show. I enjoy your show. But going back to your experience, we kind of got off track because I started asking questions. But after the craft landed in the forest, you said that five days later, you came in contact with the first ET. Yeah. So I didn't sleep for five days. (1:56:23)

It was hard to sleep because when I have an experience, the journalist in me kicks in. And so immediately what I want to do is I want to research. I have immediately a thousand questions in my head. So at that point, I really didn't sleep for five days. And on the Tuesday, the lady of the house at the farm called up my partner and said, Hey, we're going to have coffee tomorrow in the afternoon. (1:56:57)

Do you guys want to come? I want you to meet someone. Her name is Samantha. She's a lifelong ET contactee. She's brilliant. She's beautiful. She's really got her stuff and knowledge. And we could probably learn some stuff off her. Yeah, not a problem. So I happened to have the day off. We went over there. It was like one o'clock. We were meeting for tea. (1:57:23)

And so we go over there and you get through all the small hi's, how are you's and everything. This is my first time back at the farm since this incident. And I'm kind of pacing around and Samantha picks up on my energy. And she goes, You want to go outside, don't you? In front of the ladies? And I said, Yeah. She goes, you know, because I just told her what what had happened and, and, and with the other lady and I and, and she goes, Well, do you mind if I come with you? And I said, Sure. She goes, because maybe I could pick up on the craft and I can maybe get some answers for you. (1:58:04)

I said, Okay, not a problem. So this is one o'clock in the afternoon, or now two o'clock in the afternoon. It's beautiful blue sky out. And the dogs are running around the farm had two dogs. And I used to bring my two dogs over to run with their dogs. I mean, 10 acres for dogs. (1:58:23)

I mean, that's just paradise city right there. And in being able to, to run around and and make things look kind of cool for the dogs, you know, they get to play and get some exercise. So Samantha and I go to the back of the house. And we go to the back field past where I was standing, where when the craft had landed. (1:58:45)

And I'm kind of showing her she's like, Okay, don't tell me I want to try and pick it up. She goes, I'm getting it from this area over here in the neighbor's yard. And I'm like, Yeah, that's where it was. And so we're just kind of meandering around and trying to pick up the energies and things like that, try and get on the same page. (1:59:01)

I'm trying to explain to her what we saw the angles of where I saw it. So anyways, Samantha all of a sudden stops me in the middle of the field. And she goes, Hey, Dave, do you want to walk back into the forest with me? And immediately I knew, I knew there was something there. And I said, What the F? Why not? After seeing this? She goes, You know, we're probably going to see something. (1:59:37)

And I said, Yeah, I know. And she goes, But I don't know if we'll actually see anything. Because from what I know, aliens don't like dogs, and there's a good chance that the dogs are going to follow us into the forest. So we thought about taking the dogs back to the house, and kind of locking them up for a few minutes until we walked back into the forest. (1:59:56)

And but we decided against that we just continued. And of course, the dogs run way ahead of us. (2:00:01)

And they run up to the entrance from the farm to the forest. And there's a little gate that used to have a door there, but our gate door, but it's no longer there. And the dogs run into the forest and Samantha and I follow in behind them and her and I start walking and we see the dogs running around in the forest and her and I keep walking we get about 50 yards in and Samantha stops me and she's kind of looking around a little perplexed and I stop and everything okay and she's like, Dave, where's the dogs? All four dogs were gone. (2:00:39)

Don't know where they went. Four dogs. So what do we do? We keep going. Because that's what stupid humans do. You keep going, right? This is like a horror movie. So we walk another 50 yards into the forest and Samantha stops me and she gets about 18 inches away from me and she goes, Dave, I don't want you to be afraid. (2:01:04)

And she goes, but I want you to look that way. And she points north. She goes, I want you to tell me what you see. So I take a deep breath and I turn and I look and I pardon me. I'm going to be vulgar here for a minute. And she go, I said, Samantha, what the fuck is that? What the fuck is that, Samantha? And I kept repeating that over and over and over again, because 200 feet in front of me, two o'clock in the afternoon, eyes wide open, there's a 10 to 12 foot extraterrestrial standing there staring back at me. (2:01:38)

So people always ask me, well, what did it look like? It was tan in color. I saw the head. I saw the neck. I saw the body. I did not see any arms. I did not see the legs. I know it changed color. It changed from a light, creamy coffee color to a darker quarter horse slash giraffe color. (2:02:08)

And Samantha, what I didn't know at the time was that there was a second entity there. And Samantha starts telepathically communicating with the second entity. I'm glued on this guy. And I always like to say this, I wasn't scared of it. What I was scared of was my entire paradigm had officially changed. I'm 40 years old, soon to be 41. I have always believed and been brought up that if you're good, there's a God, there's a devil, there's a heaven, there's a hell. (2:02:54)

If you're good, you go up. If you're bad, you go down. But in all of my parents, teachers, grandparents, uncles, aunts, friends, mentors, hockey coaches, baseball coaches, music coaches, whatever it may be, nobody ever told me, what do you do when you're 40 years old and there's an alien standing 200 feet in front of you? I was petrified. I was mortified. I didn't know what to think. I was scared. I was in awe. I was proud. I was happy. (2:03:20)

I was like, holy cow. That would be the most incredible experience ever. (2:03:28)

Put it this way. It's like if you're holding a book. I have it in my notebook here. It has some writing on it. I can't really show it too much because there's phone numbers on here. But it's like holding a book like this. This booklet here has your entire life story, your rules, your regulations, everything you've been taught to be a good human being. (2:03:49)

And then a stranger just walks up to you and says, I'll take that and starts ripping it up. Okay? Right in front of you. You feel lost. So Samantha's telepathically communicating with this second being that I don't know is there. Because I'm so focused and staring, my eyes will not, I don't even think I blinked on this guy. I'm watching this guy trying to figure out everything that I can about it. (2:04:20)

And Samantha says, they're talking to me. And she goes, they're saying that it's okay if we go up and meet them. They're not here to take us. They're not here to harm us. However, they're really worried about the man's health. Well, it's only Samantha and I in the forest. And I know she's a girl or a woman, and I know I'm a man. (2:04:52)

And when they're saying that they're concerned about the man's health, they're definitely talking about me. So Samantha's like, do you want to go over there? I said, no. And she's like, why not? I said, I don't want to. Please do not make me go over there. And she's like, well, you don't have to, but I'm going to. I'm like, no, you're not. We don't know what the hell this is. (2:05:22)

Samantha, you do not leave me. I am not walking back 300 yards to the house alone because these aliens grabbed you. She says, we got nothing to worry about. They're not here to take us or harm us. I said, we don't know what their agenda is. I'm like, literally, I reached into my back pocket, pulled out my man card. (2:05:58)

I was scared. I was scared. And she stayed with me. And I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful for it at the time, but looking at it now, if I could ever relive that entire situation, I would handle it so different. I would have went. Yeah. And, you know, we stood there and watched this thing for about 15, 20 minutes. (2:06:22)

And it wasn't until four months later, when Samantha was getting a, she wanted to include this story in her, in her presentation that she was going to be doing at a UFO conference. So she asked me to come over so we could, so we, I could tell her about what her and I went through. And it wasn't until then, when we sat down four months later, that I actually learned that there was a second being that she was communicating with. (2:07:01)

She wasn't communicating with the being that I was looking at. She was communicating with a, a five to six foot tall, alien gray, but a tan colored gray. (2:07:11)

So do you think they were different species? No, they were, I don't know. I, I didn't see that guy. So I don't know. You know? Yeah. It's here in the, here in the retelling of that experience is I'm a very visual person. So I visualizing everything that you're telling me. And it's almost like being in a dream, listening to it, you know? I mean, for me, that's what it feels like. (2:07:49)

It feels like I'm, I'm dreaming, hearing you telling me about this. No, it was scary. It was a good scary, but that was also the first time that I learned. And what confused me was the fact that they were concerned about my health. Oh, that's right. I saw fire in the sky. Hollywood wouldn't lie to me, would they? Right. Even, even, uh, Travis Walton has came out and said that the experience as negative as it was, he felt that they weren't there to hurt him. (2:08:24)

Right. Right. Exactly. So, I mean, that's part of, part of the whole issue that I have with it. Okay. Is the fact that that wasn't, in my opinion, supposed to happen. They were supposed to be the big, bad aliens, but they weren't. They were concerned about me. Did you go get a physical or find out, you know, if you had anything wrong with you physically? (2:08:55)

No. It almost leaves me without words just to, just to hear that story, because even after your experiences, have you ever listened to somebody tell a story that is so far out there beyond what you can accept as real question that what they're telling you is even possible? I host a show like that. I know, but I mean, barring the crazy people, you know, and I'm sure you guys do some vetting process to, to see, you know, to pick and choose the guests that come out, come on. (2:09:34)

What do you say to somebody when you hear a story like that? And, or you hear their experience, they believe it 100%. You know, they're, they're not lying to you. This is something they actually believe. That's actually a good question. This is, this is what I say. I believe you. Two reasons. Number one, I've never stood in your shoes. Who am I to call you a liar? (2:10:07)

Now, hosting the show, I'm going to know pretty quickly if somebody is exaggerating or not. There are little telltale signs, and it's no big secret, but you can tell when somebody's making something up. Okay. Number two, I've never stepped in your shoes. I don't know your experience. I know what I've experienced. So who am I to tell you with not really knowing you as a human being, not knowing your purpose, not knowing who you are or anything like that, who am I to sit there and boldface call you a liar? (2:10:48)

Because here's the thing, the majority of people who are having these experiences, the majority, they don't want to be public. (2:10:58)

They don't want to be ostracized. They just want answers as to why, because this is emotionally affecting them. Even if they have had positive experiences, they just want answers. Why them? Why are they being taken? Why are they being taken twice a week? Why have they had my lab experiences because of it? Why all of a sudden, people have lost jobs over this. (2:11:36)

They've lost family. I mean, I can tell you right now, I have lost friends over this. Some of my best, longest friends of 20 plus years, I've lost over this because of my commitment to spaced out radio and my belief in these subjects. There are people who don't want to talk to me or associate with me anymore. And these were people that I, well, the one guy, I mean, him and I were best friends for 28 years. (2:12:07)

And he told me I went nuts into F off and never talked to him again. Right? Yeah. That's hard. You know, and you can't really, I guess everybody's going to react to it a different way. But what people forget is that empathy is what allows you to connect with other human beings. And if you don't have that empathy for an experience that they've shared with you, that connection is going to be lost. (2:12:42)

Oh, it sucks. It really sucks. I mean, that's somebody that, uh, that I absolutely loved. I mean, he's the godfather of my child, of my son. And, you know, not much I can do except say, you know, thank you. I, you know, doors always open. I, even though, even though intuitively, I know he's never coming back, I just know that. Right. And all you're doing, all you're doing is trying to find answers. (2:13:26)

Yeah. But this is a lonely existence. It puts a lot of strain on people. And when you have these experiences, when you have this, this happen to you, you didn't ask for it. Nobody asked for it. Nobody asked to, to be haunted. Nobody asked to be having ET contact. Nobody asked to see Bigfoot. Well, some people have. Okay. But the point I'm getting at is, especially with ET contact, it scares people because A, they either don't want to believe it's real. (2:14:12)

Or B, it scares them so much, they deny it's real. Or C, they're so wrapped up in their own little world that there's no way it could ever happen or ever could be real. So when somebody whom you trust comes up to you and says, this is what happened to me, your first reaction is defensive. That's interesting. Okay. And when you bought, you know, it's like, it's like when you eat something you don't like, you don't buy it anymore. (2:14:48)

Or you don't try it anymore. How many, that's the wrong question. Would you, because you can't speak for other people, but you've had the experiences. And the fallout from those experiences hasn't sometimes been negative. (2:15:16)

With everything you know, and everything you've experienced outside of the outside of those encounters, would you take it all back and not want this path in life to have ever come into your life? A hundred percent. You would rather not have ever experienced any of this? True. Wow. I lost a lot of good friends. You know, um, that's an emotional question. Yeah. That's a, that's a hard hitting emotional question because it's personal and I don't usually talk a lot of personal stuff. (2:16:13)

Um, so my answer to that would be, I would give it all up right now. Everything the last nine years, I would give it all up to go fishing with my friend. One more time, get up at four in the morning, get up at, you know, get up at three 30 in the morning, pick him up, be at his place by four 15, race down to McDonald's to grab a couple of, uh, breakfast, uh, burritos and an iced tea and some hash browns and race down to the river to our favorite fishing spot. (2:16:54)

So we could get there before anybody else set up a fire, wait for daylight or an hour before daylight so that when we could start fishing, I would give it all up in a heartbeat to have that one more day of fishing with them. And, uh, I don't care what it would cost me if I had that choice to give up this radio show or to have my friends back. (2:17:23)

Um, I'd give it all up. And by the way, nobody's ever got that out of me. Well, thank you for being honest and for answering the question. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a tough question, man. That's a very deep and tough question and an emotional question, uh, that. Yeah. And it's not just that too. It's not just him. It's the amount of birthdays, the amount of parties, the amount of dinners, the amount of nights that you want to continue, but you can't because you got to do a damn radio show, uh, that hit home. (2:18:17)

Now it's, I'm used to it, but, you know, you have company over and, and, you know, even when my own parents come up and it's like, oh, well, it's seven 30. I got to go into the studio now. I'll talk to you tomorrow. And it's like, is it worth it? Is the not getting paid to do this. Looking at all the time you've put in and the efforts and the, you know, I'm not even getting into the social media trolling and, and the people who don't know you calling you an asshole or a liar or a faker or, or an exaggerator or people accusing you of being homophobic or, or racist or anything like that. (2:19:19)

Do I need it for free for something that I'm trying to build here? No, no, I don't. I just want to go fishing with my buddy. (2:19:29)

I want to read my son a bedtime story. Like there are times when I'm sitting in the studio and I can hear through the vents, you know, cause you know, or I walk upstairs to grab a drink of water and I can hear my son reading his bedtime story to his mom. And all I think about is I wish that was me. Right. And this field is so callous and angry and, and ruthless at times, not all the time, but at times that they forget that there's human beings on the other end, you know, they forget that there is, that there is a person who has feelings, who has, uh, who suffers, you know, my case, I suffer from depression and anxiety. (2:20:30)

I'm very open about that. Okay. I'm not one of these people, you know, one of these men who thinks, Oh, I can't talk about that. You don't talk about that stuff publicly. Screw that. I have a mental disorder. Right. Yeah. Talking about it is probably the best way to combat it. Right. You know, I mean, if I was really given that opportunity to go back in time to never do this show, when Johnny Enoch wanted to meet with me on October 2nd, 2014, to discuss this, I wish I would, there are a lot of times I wish I would have said no. (2:21:09)

And instead went with my friend to watch Slash with Miles Kennedy and the Conspirators. Cause I had a ticket to that, that I turned down. How would life be different? If I would have went to that con concert instead of meeting with Johnny and starting a radio show and committing to a radio show. Now, when I say that, I don't begrudge starting the show. (2:21:31)

I don't begrudge having this interview with you or being almost six years into spaced out radio. I don't begrudge that at all. I don't begrudge the, the amazing and awesome people that I have met or the people who tune into me every night and are part of the chat rooms or, or, you know, you make a difference. We are making a difference. I, you know, every now and again, I get a note from a listener that is very, very personal as to how this show helped them get through a very tough time. (2:22:10)

I, uh, you know, I, I remember one listener, uh, telling me how his father had just passed away two days previous and he was up and he needed something to take his mind away. And somehow through Google had found our show and he tuned in and he's been there almost every night since. Right. You made it, we made a small difference in helping that person's life because he didn't know how to live with, without his dad. (2:22:48)

You know, I, I've talked to people who, uh, I talked to a corrections officer, 20 year big, tough corrections officer who was suicidal because out of the blue, alien graze started taking him to the point where he wasn't sleeping for days because he was afraid they were going to come and get him. (2:23:12)

He was getting to the point where he didn't want to live anymore and had a gun ready to go to his head. And then he found the show and realized that he wasn't alone. It's never in our chat rooms, but I know he tunes in almost all the time. And every few months he'll message me and he'll give me an update just on how he's doing. I mean, there's a lot of those stories that I've had over the years. (2:23:36)

I remember one woman, uh, talking to me about how her husband left her for another woman and she was all alone and, and living in a big house, didn't know how to cope, found the show, found our chat room, made some online friends, made her feel worthy again. There's all of these little stories that come out and everybody has a story. And this is why when someone tells me, Hey, Dave, can you check this out? (2:24:06)

I took this picture. What looks like a fairy in my house. Or somebody says, Hey, can you check out this, this video that I got from my security camera? What do you think that's flying back there? Or I got this picture from my bedroom of shadow person. What do you think that is? You know, that's why I have no problem saying, I believe you because those three small words have a huge amount of power in helping somebody cope and understand that they're not alone because maybe they don't have that opportunity to talk to friends. (2:24:46)

Maybe they don't have that opportunity to talk to their bosses. Maybe they don't have that opportunity or can't afford counseling. To learn what it was. Maybe they just don't know. Maybe they're afraid. And we provide that. So as much as I would say that I would give everything up to go fishing with my friend one more time. And I would, there's a hell of a lot of benefit that has come along with hosting the radio show because it is a, it is a very personal aspect for a lot of people. (2:25:23)

They're there for a reason. Some, it may be entertainment. For others, maybe it's knowledge. For others, they just don't want to feel alone anymore. They don't want to feel that they're the only ones who are going through these experiences and we allow them that venue to let them know through other experiencers that it's okay. We believe you because they may not have had anybody say that to them before. (2:25:52)

And that's the power of it. That's a great positive message. And I think that's a good place for us to end this episode. And Dave, I believe you. Thanks, man. Yeah, 100%. And I thank you for sharing those experiences with me. I appreciate you asking me to do this, man. I really do. It's very rare that I get asked. All right, Dave. Hey, have a good night now. (2:26:18)

All right, brother. (2:26:19)

Thank you so much. Take care. You too, man. Take care. (2:26:22)

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