John Ventre : UFO 現象や超常現象と悪魔的現象の共通点

前置き

Erica Lukes が聞き手。John Ventre がゲスト。

概要

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UFOと超常現象：ジョン・ヴェントリの経験

本記事は、‌‌UFOと超常現象‌‌に関するジョン・ヴェントリ氏へのインタビューを掲載しており、ヴェントリ氏がMUFON（相互UFOネットワーク）の多州ディレクターであり、作家、テレビ番組のホスト、そして慈善活動家であるといった、その‌‌多岐にわたる経歴と活動‌‌が紹介されています。

特に、彼が経験した‌‌個人的な超常現象や悪魔憑き‌‌の事例が詳細に語られ、UFO現象と悪魔学との関連性、‌‌地球外生命体（ET）‌‌と‌‌異次元の存在（悪魔）‌‌の区別について独自の‌‌見解‌‌が示されています。

また、MUFONにおける‌‌調査方法や課題‌‌、番組制作の裏話、そして‌‌UFOコミュニティ‌‌における論争や‌‌性差別‌‌といった‌‌社会的な側面‌‌にも触れられています。

目次

1. 前置き
2. 概要
3. 詳細
   1. 概要
   2. 主要テーマ
   3. 最も重要なアイデアと事実
   4. 結論
4. UFO 界の関与
   1. MUFONにおけるジョン・ヴェントリの役割とリーダーシップ
   2. 物議を醸す見解とMUFON内での位置付け
5. ET abduction と悪魔的憑依の共通点
6. 幼少期の体験
7. 成人期の体験
8. Kecksburg UFO 事件
9. UFO現象の増加と変化
10. 他研究者の見解
    1. 他の研究者の見解とヴェントリの評価
11. 2013年以降、顕著な abduction 事例がない
12. UFO 界の Trump
    1. ジョン・ヴェントリの物議を醸す性格とリーダーシップ
13. 時系列
14. 主要関係者
15. 情報源
16. 文字起こし

詳細

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詳細ブリーフィングドキュメント：UFOと超常現象：ジョン・ヴェントリの経験

概要

このブリーフィングドキュメントは、ジョン・ヴェントリへのインタビュー「UFOと超常現象：ジョン・ヴェントリの経験」からの抜粋に基づいて、主要なテーマ、重要なアイデア、および事実をレビューすることを目的としています。ヴェントリは、MUFON（相互UFOネットワーク）におけるその専門知識と物議を醸す姿勢で知られる著名な人物です。インタビューでは、彼の広範なキャリア、UFO現象に関する彼の進化する見解、特に悪魔学とUFOとの関連性、そして彼の個人的な超常現象の経験について掘り下げています。

主要テーマ

• ジョン・ヴェントリの多岐にわたるキャリアとMUFONでの役割: ヴェントリはUPSの元州セキュリティ・広報担当ディレクターであり、そのリーダーシップと組織運営スキルで知られています。MUFONでは、ペンシルベニア州のチャプターを国内最大級に成長させ、複数の州のディレクターを務めています。彼はMUFONの調査の管理に焦点を当てており、科学的方法論の重要性を強調していますが、自身の直接的な調査への関与は少ないです。
• UFOと悪魔学の関連性に関する進化する見解: ヴェントリは当初UFOに興味がありませんでしたが、時間予言の研究を通じて興味を持つようになりました。彼は、UFOは実在するという強い証拠があると信じていますが、過去2年間悪魔学を研究し、UFO現象の一部、特に「グレイ・エイリアン」による夜間の誘拐事例は、異次元の存在、または悪魔的な存在である可能性があるという考えを探求しています。
• ヴェントリの個人的な超常現象の経験: ヴェントリの人生は、子供の頃から大人になるまで、多くの超常現象の出来事で満たされています。これには、幻聴、幽霊の目撃、体外離脱体験、さらには彼と彼の家族を標的にした悪魔的な抑圧と攻撃が含まれます。彼の経験は、UFOと悪魔学の関連性に関する彼の現在の信念を形成する上で極めて重要です。
• UFOロジーにおける論争と課題: ヴェントリは、UFOロジーコミュニティにおける彼の率直な意見と物議を醸す姿勢を公言しています。彼は、この分野における専門性の欠如、特にソーシャルメディアでの行動や、研究者が特定のテーマ（例えば悪魔学）を探求することをためらうことに言及しています。彼はまた、MUFONの内部的な課題、特に調査員のための教育と協力の必要性について強調しています。

最も重要なアイデアと事実

• ヴェントリのMUFONにおけるリーダーシップ: 「彼は、MUFONで非常に物議を醸す人物です。そして、彼はペンシルベニアのチャプターで並外れた仕事をしたと思います。彼は国内で最大のMUFONチャプターの1つを運営しています。」(0:05:22) 彼はMUFONの多州ディレクターであり、会議の開催とMUFONの活動の管理に重点を置いています。(0:14:00)

• UFOと悪魔学に関する新しい視点: ヴェントリは、7冊目の本が「悪魔学とそのUFOとの関連性」についてであることを明かしました。「それは本当に悪魔学と私の憑かれた人生についての本です。」(0:08:10) 彼は、UFOの裏にいるのが地球外生命体なのか異次元の存在なのかという、ジョー・ジョーダンのような人物との議論に触れています。彼は「UFOが実在するという証拠が多すぎる」と信じていますが、悪魔学の研究を通して、「もし誰かが、堕天使がUFOを実体化させることができると私に証明してくれたら…おそらく私たちは地球外生命体と関わっているのではなく、悪意のあるものもそうでないものもいる異次元の存在と関わっているのかもしれません。」(0:10:38) と述べています。

• 悪魔学の階層と兆候: ヴェントリは、ゴースト、エレメンタル、非人間的な霊（天使と悪魔）、そしてより強力な「悪魔」を含む悪魔学の階層について詳細に説明しています。(0:44:50) 彼は、悪魔的な憑依とエイリアンによる誘拐に共通する多くの「マーカー」や兆候のリストを共有しています。これには、「白い煙や白いオーブの目撃」、「毛深い生き物の目撃」、「呼吸困難、胸部への圧迫、覚醒時の麻痺」、「鮮明な夢、汗だくで目覚めること」、「犬が興奮したり挑発されたりすること」、「午前3-4時に目覚めること」、「見られている感覚」、「黒い、または煙のような形やシャドウピープル」、「時間の喪失や記憶の喪失」、「ベッドの足元に誰かが立っていること」、「家族の誰かが標的にされること」、「家の中の物音」、「性格の変化」、「テレパシー的な音やイメージ」、「信仰の喪失、教会に行かなくなること」、「車の故障や電気の問題」、「自動的な体の動きや浮遊」、「性的接触、ハイブリッドの生産」、「インキュバス、ガーゴイル、レプティリアン」、「集合精神」、そして「イエス・キリストの名を使用することで悪魔的またはエイリアンによる誘拐を撃退できること」が含まれます。(0:47:12-0:49:08) 彼は、バチカンの年間の悪魔払いの数が1990年以降劇的に増加したという事実を指摘しています。（年間平均6件から1300件へ）(1:35:45)

• 個人的な超常現象の経験の例:

  • 幼少期: 「1961年、ベッドの中で何かに足を掴まれました。」、「1969年、4夜連続の体外離脱体験。」、「住んでいる家について見た夢の繰り返し。」(1:00:33)
  • 1989-1990年（オクラホマ）: 「家の中で足音が聞こえ始めました。」、「男の人の声でインドの詠唱が聞こえました。」(1:03:01)
  • ニュージャージー: 「動く箱の音が聞こえました。」、「妹が天井を横切る黒い影のようなものを見ました。」、「妻の性格が変化しました。」(1:03:29) 彼はまた、寝室で子供の幽霊を見たこと、息子が壁から声が聞こえ、毛深いクリーチャーを見たこと、娘が家の全ての明かりが同時に消えるのを見たことについても語っています。(1:04:25-1:05:25)
  • 1999年（MUFONシンポジウム後）: UFO会議後に起きた「信じられないほどの体外離脱体験」と「寝室での絶対的な存在」を語っています。彼は、奇妙な子供たち（「ネズミ少年」と「巨大な目と腕を持つ子供」）が彼の犬をからかっている夢を見ています。(1:06:18-1:08:17)
  • 2004年（感謝祭）: 彼の浴室の鏡に、彼の腕よりも3インチ長く、6本の指を持つ「手と腕の跡」が現れました。彼はこれが「7フィートの高さ」の存在によるものだと示唆しています。(1:10:16)
  • 2009年9月: 彼は廊下に立っている「7フィートの高さ」の存在を目撃しました。「人間の形をしていませんでした。幅12インチくらいの細いウエストで、スレンダーマンのように細長い腕があり、四角い頭をしていました。」(1:12:16)
  • 2010年4月: 彼の娘が、「何か」が自分の体に「吸収された」経験をしました。彼女は「影の人々が天井を旋回している」のを見ました。彼女はまた、「40種類の声が頭の中で聞こえ」たと言います。そして、ある声が「彼女が終わったら、他の二人も試したい」と言ったそうです。(1:13:00-1:14:04)
  • 2014年6月: 離婚20周年の直後、「腐敗した死体の匂い」を経験し、続いて壁から大きな物音がし、犬が激しく吠え、バスルームから大きな音が聞こえました。(1:22:33-1:24:17)
  • 2015年感謝祭: 寝室のドアが勝手に開くという一連の出来事があり、これは彼の娘が滞在するのを待っているというメッセージだと信じています。彼はまた、刺すような感覚、頭皮を刺される感覚、壁の叩く音や引っ掻く音、天井からの軋む音や体が引きずられるような音を経験しました。彼は「イエス・キリストの名において」その存在に立ち去るよう命じ、その結果「暗闇のベールが寝室から持ち上がる」のを見たと報告しています。(1:25:38-1:28:27)
  • 最近の出来事: 「赤い枢機卿の家族」が彼の窓にぶつかってきたという現象が1年半続き、彼の墓石の設置と悪魔的な存在について本を書き始めた瞬間に停止したと語っています。また、彼の墓石が設置された直後に、彼の裏庭のフェンスラインに沿って「200フィートもの長さ」の「山火事」が起こりました。(1:32:09-1:32:57)

• 論争とオープンな議論の必要性: ヴェントリは、UFOロジーにおける対立的な性質を認識しており、「私を嫌っても構いません。それを好きでなくても構いません。私はそれについて話します。」(0:09:20) と述べています。彼は、Facebookのようなプラットフォームが「プロの破壊者」によって荒らされ、建設的な議論を妨げていると考えています。(0:55:35) 彼はUFOologyの分野における女性に対する性差別が存在するというエリカ・ルークスの主張についてはコメントを避けていますが、彼のMUFONチャプターでは多くの女性調査員が活動していると述べています。(0:41:48-0:43:09)

• 「開示」に対する見解: ヴェントリは、政府によるUFOの開示という考えについて慎重な見方を示しています。「開示を聞く日、私はおそらく泣くでしょう。なぜなら、これは終わりの日の始まりだと知っているからです。彼らがインデペンデンスデイのように現れるとき、それは大きな欺瞞だと思います。あのグレイは別の惑星から来たものではありません。これは私たちに語られてきた物語であり、予言されてきたことであり、これから起こることです。」(1:42:01)

結論

ジョン・ヴェントリのインタビューは、UFOロジーコミュニティの複雑でしばしば物議を醸す性質についての包括的な洞察を提供します。彼の多岐にわたる経験と悪魔学への深い研究は、UFO現象に対する異例な視点を提供し、その境界を曖昧にし、超常現象の伝統的な概念にまで広げています。

彼の個人的な物語は、これらの見解に信憑性を与え、宇宙論的な脅威としての悪魔的な存在の可能性と、信仰を通じてそれに抵抗する能力を強調しています。このブリーフィングドキュメントは、彼の主要な主張と個人的な証言を要約しており、彼の物議を醸す見解と超常現象のより広い理解の必要性を浮き彫りにしています。

UFO 界の関与

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ジョン・ヴェントリは、MUFON（相互UFOネットワーク）において、彼の‌‌強力なリーダーシップ、実践的なアプローチ、そして物議を醸すような見解‌‌によって特徴づけられる、非常に重要な役割を担っています。エリカ・ルークスは彼を「‌‌UFO界のトランプ‌‌」と評しており、これは彼の性格とMUFONにおける影響力を的確に表しています。

MUFONにおけるジョン・ヴェントリの役割とリーダーシップ

• ‌‌広範な影響力‌‌: ジョン・ヴェントリはMUFONのマルチステートディレクターを務めており、‌‌ペンシルベニア州支部は国内でも最大規模のMUFON支部の一つ‌‌です。彼が運営する会議は「伝説的」と評されています。
• ‌‌効率的な管理者としての資質‌‌: 彼は自身を「良いマネージャー」と評価しており、29歳でUPSの州セキュリティディレクターに就任するなど、若くして管理職としての経験を積んでいます。彼は、上司から「彼に課題を与え、やり方を指示せず、マイクロマネジメントもしないでくれ。彼はやり遂げるから」と言われたと語っており、これは彼の‌‌結果重視かつ自律的なリーダーシップスタイル‌‌を示しています。
• ‌‌「カーク」としての役割‌‌: 彼は「ナンバー2ではいられない」「カークでなければならない」と述べ、自身のリーダーシップを強調しています。彼は物事を効率的にこなし、自身が関わるものは「すべて金になる」と自信を見せています。
• ‌‌人材の活用と育成‌‌: 彼はMUFONの活動において、メンバーの得意なことを見極めてそれを活用することの重要性を強調しています。例えば、弁護士のメンバーには非営利団体の書類作成を、コンピューターのスキルが高いメンバーには会議のグラフィックやウェブページを担当させています。彼は「誰もが平等ではない」という信念のもと、‌‌結果を出す人物であれば、性別や人種に関わらず昇進させるべきだ‌‌と考えています。この考え方は、UPSでの経験から来ており、遠隔地の人材管理能力にも自信を持っています。
• ‌‌MUFONにおける科学的手法と調査‌‌: MUFONの調査における科学的手法について問われると、彼は「ビル・ウェーバーにやらせる」と答え、自身は管理に徹していることを示しています。彼自身が最後に調査に出たのは6、7年前だと述べています。彼の元UPSセキュリティ責任者としての経験は、ボディランゲージ、行動分析、尋問の訓練によって、‌‌詐欺的な主張を見抜く‌‌のに役立っていると語っています。
• ‌‌MUFONの教育への見解‌‌: 彼はMUFONが「MUFONユニバーシティ」を立ち上げたことを評価し、それが組織の大きな助けになると考えています。しかし、メンバーの‌‌個々の動機付けの重要性‌‌も強調しており、自身はマニュアルを読む必要もなく調査を行うことができたと述べています。

物議を醸す見解とMUFON内での位置付け

ジョン・ヴェントリのMUFONにおける「物議を醸す人物」としての側面は、主に彼の‌‌UFO現象と超常現象に関する独自の見解‌‌、そして‌‌彼の率直で対立を恐れない性格‌‌に起因しています。

• ‌‌「UFO界のトランプ」‌‌: 彼は自身が「論争が好き」であり、自分の娘が彼に「パパ、トランプはあなただよ」とテキストメッセージを送った際に「その通りだ」と同意したことを明かしています。この表現は、彼が‌‌自身の意見をはっきりと述べ、周囲の意見に流されない‌‌という、彼自身の性質を非常によく表しています。
• ‌‌デーモン学への傾倒‌‌: 彼は‌‌デーモン学に深く関心を持ち、2年間研究してきた‌‌と述べています。彼の「UFOs Over Pittsburgh」というテレビ番組では、デーモン学やビッグフットなど、UFO学の枠を超えたテーマも扱っています。特に、彼は‌‌エイリアンによる誘拐現象が実際にはデーモンによるものである‌‌という、UFO学界で物議を醸す可能性のある見解を持っています。彼はデーモン的な憑依とエイリアン誘拐の共通の兆候をリストアップし、自身の個人的な超常体験と結びつけています。この見解は、デーモン学の知識がないままUFO現象を調査することの限界を示唆していると考えています。
• ‌‌UFO現象への独自の解釈‌‌: 彼は、ジョー・ジョーダンとの議論の中で「UFOは存在しない」というジョーの意見には同意しないが、もし‌‌堕天使がUFOを実体化させられるなら、地球外生命体ではない可能性もある‌‌と述べています。また、‌‌ケックスバーグ事件‌‌についても、彼はUFOではなく米国のスパイ衛星であったと「証明できた」と主張し、ペンシルベニア州で「嫌われている」と認めています。彼は、現代の「グレイエイリアンの誘拐」がデーモン的なものであると確信している一方で、過去のUFO現象（例：1973年のUFOウェーブ）には本物の地球外生命体が関与していたと区別しています。
• ‌‌メディアでの関与と批判‌‌: 彼はテレビ番組「Hangar One」に出演していましたが、視聴率が良かったにもかかわらず、ターゲット層の違いと予算不足で打ち切りになったことに批判的です。彼は、ヒストリーチャンネルが「Ancient Aliens」のような「完全に作り話」を続ける一方で、MUFONが持つ「本当の歴史」を扱わないことに疑問を呈しています。
• ‌‌UFO学における課題認識‌‌: 彼はFacebook上での議論の困難さを指摘しており、匿名性が論争を助長すると感じています。また、UFO学界には「多くの非専門的な行動」があり、関係者間で「倫理と境界線」を持つことが重要だとエリカ・ルークスと共に語っています。彼はUFO学界における性差別（セクシズム）について直接的なコメントを避けていますが、UPSでの経験から、性別や人種に関わらず最適な人材を昇進させるべきだと考えています。
• ‌‌個人的な超常体験‌‌: 彼は自身の人生における数々の超常体験をオープンに語っており、これが彼のデーモン学への関心とUFO現象への見解に影響を与えていることを示唆しています。特に、「ジーザス・クライストの名前を使うことで、デーモン的またはエイリアンによる誘拐を撃退できる」という彼の考え方は、彼の個人的な経験から強く影響を受けています。

ジョン・ヴェントリは、MUFONという組織の管理者として、その成長と運営に大きく貢献している一方で、UFO現象に対する彼の‌‌非常に挑戦的で非主流的な見解‌‌（特にデーモン学との関連付け）により、UFO学界内で‌‌賛否両論を巻き起こす存在‌‌となっています。彼の「トランプ」のような性格は、彼がこれらの物議を醸す意見を臆することなく表明する姿勢を象徴しています。

ET abduction と悪魔的憑依の共通点

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MUFONにおけるUFOと超常現象の議論というより大きな文脈において、ジョン・ヴェントリは‌‌エイリアン誘拐現象について、非常に物議を醸す、非伝統的な解釈‌‌を提示しています。彼は、現代のエイリアン誘拐事例の多くが、‌‌地球外生命体によるものではなく、デーモン的実体によるもの‌‌であると強く信じています。

彼のこの解釈を裏付けるポイントは以下の通りです。

• ‌‌デーモン学への傾倒と個人的経験‌‌: ヴェントリは過去2年間、デーモン学を深く研究しており、彼の著書『Ufologist, The Haunting of John Ventry』ではこのテーマを掘り下げています。彼は、デーモン学の知識なしにUFO現象を調査することの限界を指摘しており、自身の人生における数々の超常現象体験がこの見解に影響を与えています。
• ‌‌エイリアン誘拐とデーモン的憑依の共通の兆候‌‌: ヴェントリは、デーモン的憑依とエイリアン誘拐の間に‌‌約40%の共通の兆候‌‌があるとする広範なリストを作成しました。彼はこのリストをMUFONの誘拐調査チーム（ERT）に共有しており、彼らはこのような情報を持ち合わせていなかったと述べています。共通の兆候には以下が含まれます:
  • 白い煙や白いオーブを見る
  • 毛むくじゃらの生物を見る
  • 呼吸困難、胸への圧迫感
  • 覚醒時の麻痺
  • 何かが体に出入りする感覚
  • 鮮明な夢、寝汗をかいて目覚める
  • 犬が興奮したり挑発されたりする
  • 午前3時～4時に目覚める
  • 見られている感覚
  • 黒い、または煙のような形、あるいはシャドーピープル
  • 時間の喪失または記憶喪失
  • ベッドの足元に誰かが立っている
  • 家族の誰かがターゲットにされる
  • 家の中の物音
  • 性格の変化
  • 心の中にテレパシー的な音やイメージ
  • 信仰を失う、教会に行かなくなる
  • 車の故障や電気系統のトラブル（車のエンストなど）
  • 体外離脱や浮遊
  • 性的接触、ハイブリッドを生み出す可能性
  • インキュバス、ガーゴイル、レプティリアン
  • 集合精神
  • ‌‌イエス・キリストの名を使用することで、デーモン的またはエイリアンによる誘拐を撃退できる能力‌‌。これはジョー・ジョーダンとの議論で特に強調された点です。
• ‌‌デーモン学とUFO現象の関連付けの歴史‌‌: ヴェントリは、エイリアン誘拐に関するこの解釈を裏付ける歴史的・超常的情報も提供しています。
  • ‌‌アレイスター・クロウリーの「ラム」‌‌: 彼は、1918年に初めて描かれた「グレイ」が、デーモン学者でありオカルトのサタニストであるアレイスター・クロウリーによって召喚された「ラム」という実体であったと指摘しています。
  • ‌‌コリンズ・エリートの結論‌‌: 1952年以降、UFOと超常現象を調査したCIAの部門である「コリンズ・エリート」が、「UFOは存在しない。すべてオカルト的、デーモン的活動である」と結論付けたことを挙げています。
  • ‌‌悪魔祓い件数の増加‌‌: 1990年以前は年間平均6件だったバチカンにおける悪魔祓いの件数が、1990年以降は年間1,300件に増加していることを強調し、地球の「構造」に何らかの変化があったと推測しています。
  • ‌‌フー・ファイターズの解釈‌‌: 第二次世界大戦中に目撃された「フー・ファイターズ」について、ヴェントリはこれらが「エネルギー形態のデーモン的な存在」であり、「大虐殺を楽しんでいた」と見ています。
  • ‌‌UFO学者の見解‌‌: ロード・ヒル・ノートン（UFOに関する懸念報告書でUFOがサタン的であると結論付けた）、キャスリーン・ターナー、ジョー・ジョーダン、ガイ・マローン、L.A.マズーリ、アーサー・C・クラークなど、多くの著名なUFO研究者がUFO現象をデーモン的、または地球外のものではないと見なしていることを挙げています。
  • ‌‌個人的な超常体験‌‌: ヴェントリ自身が、家庭内でデーモン的な実体と思われる存在と対峙し、イエス・キリストの名を使ってそれを退けたという「奇跡」を体験したと語っています。彼はこの経験から、「イエスとサタンの対立は100%現実である」と確信しています。
• ‌‌本物のUFOとデーモン的な模倣の区別‌‌: ヴェントリは、すべてのUFOがデーモン的であるとは考えていません。彼は、1973年のパソグーラUFOウェーブのような特定の事例は、科学的ミッションのために地球を訪れた「本物の地球外生命体」によるものであったと明確に区別しています。しかし、夜中に寝室の隅に現れて人を麻痺させ、先述した「デーモン的実体が行う兆候」を示す「グレイ・エイリアンによる誘拐」については、それがデーモン的なものであると確信しています。
• ‌‌現代の誘拐事例の減少‌‌: ヴェントリは、キャシー・マーティンやデヴィッド・ジェイコブスといった研究者も、2013年以降「良い誘拐事例」がほとんど報告されていないと述べていることに言及しています。ジェイコブスはエイリアンによるハイブリッド計画が停止したと主張していますが、ヴェントリはそれが地球外生命体のハイブリッド計画なのか、それともネフィリムや過去に地球で起きたことではないのか、という疑問を投げかけています。
• ‌‌周囲の反応と彼のスタンス‌‌: 彼のこれらの見解は、MUFON内部やUFO学界で物議を醸しています。彼の娘は彼を「UFO界のトランプ」と呼び、彼自身も「論争が好き」だと認めています。彼は自分の意見を公に表明することをためらいません。彼の息子は彼にUFO調査をやめるよう懇願していますが、ヴェントリは真実を伝えることをやめないと断固としています。彼は、UFO現象を真剣に受け止めない人が多いのは、UFO学界における「非専門的な行動」があるためだと考えています。

このように、ジョン・ヴェントリはエイリアン誘拐現象に対して、単なる地球外生命体との遭遇という枠を超え、‌‌深いデーモン学的、超常現象的な視点から再解釈‌‌することで、MUFONにおける彼の存在をさらに際立たせています。彼のこのユニークで挑戦的な見解は、組織内での議論の種であり、彼の「物議を醸す」という評価の主要な理由の一つとなっています。

幼少期の体験

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MUFONにおけるジョン・ヴェントリの個人的な超常体験というより大きな文脈において、彼は‌‌幼少期から生涯にわたる一連の出来事‌‌を経験しており、それが彼のUFO現象、特にエイリアン誘拐に対する非伝統的な解釈に影響を与えています。

彼の幼少期の超常体験については、以下の点が挙げられます。

• ‌‌1961年：ベッドでの出来事‌‌
  • ヴェントリが‌‌子供の頃、ベッドの中で何かに足をつかまれた‌‌と述べています。
• ‌‌1969年：体外離脱体験‌‌
  • ‌‌4夜連続で体外離脱を経験‌‌しています。
  • 彼は後に、この1969年の体外離脱と1999年の体外離脱がエイリアン誘拐だったのかをデイビッド・ジェイコブスに尋ねていますが、ジェイコブスは30年もの間隔がある誘拐は起こらないと答えています。ヴェントリ自身も、それがUFO誘拐ではなかったと考えています。
• ‌‌繰り返し見る夢と現在の住居‌‌
  • 子供の頃から‌‌繰り返し見ていた夢‌‌があり、それが‌‌彼が現在住んでいる家にそっくりだった‌‌と語っています。
  • 1997年にその家を見に行った際、裏口からの眺めが6～8歳の頃に見た夢と全く同じ（灰色のレンガの壁と遠くに見える墓地）だったため、彼はその家を購入し、決してそこを離れることはないと確信しています。
• ‌‌1971年：祖母の死に関連する体験‌‌
  • 祖母が亡くなる数時間前、‌‌廊下で祖母の声を聞いた‌‌と述べています。
• ‌‌1973年：デーモン的実体との出会いの夢‌‌
  • 非常に鮮明な夢の中で‌‌デーモン的実体と遭遇‌‌したと語っています。
• ‌‌1973年：妹のアナベル人形体験‌‌
  • 同じ年の夏に、妹が‌‌アナベル人形に似た経験‌‌をしていたことを後に知ったと述べています。妹は人形が部屋の中を歩き、話したり、動いたりするのを目撃していましたが、そのことについては話したがらないとのことです。

これらの幼少期の体験は、ジョン・ヴェントリが人生を通して超常現象に遭遇してきた背景を示しています。彼は「UFOを見たことはないが、人生を通して超常現象を経験してきた」と明言しており、これらの初期の体験が、彼が後にデーモン学に深く傾倒し、UFO現象、特にエイリアン誘拐の多くをデーモン的実体の活動と結びつける基盤となったことがうかがえます。彼は、自身の経験によって「イエスとサタンの対立は100%現実である」と確信していると述べています。

成人期の体験

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MUFONにおけるジョン・ヴェントリの個人的な超常体験というより大きな文脈において、彼は‌‌幼少期の出来事から成人期にかけても一連の強烈な超常現象を経験‌‌しており、これらの体験が彼のUFO現象、特にエイリアン誘拐に対する独特かつ物議を醸すデーモン学的解釈を形成する上で極めて重要な役割を果たしています。

彼の成人期の主な超常体験は以下の通りです。

• ‌‌1988年：パンナム103便のニアミス‌‌
  • 彼はヨーロッパでの仕事中に、パナム103便（後にロッカービー上空で爆破された便）に搭乗しようとしていたが、高額な変更手数料のために断念しました。これは直接的な超常現象ではありませんが、彼の人生における運命的な出来事として言及されています。
• ‌‌1989年～1990年：オクラホマの家‌‌
  • 毎晩、家の中で‌‌3回の足音が3回繰り返され、そのたびに音が大きくなる‌‌という現象を経験しました。
  • ある夜には、寝室に行く途中、廊下で‌‌男の声によるインディアンの詠唱‌‌を聞きました。
• ‌‌ニュージャージーの家（オクラホマの後）‌‌
  • 引っ越し中、ガレージのドアの向こうで‌‌引っ越し用の箱が勝手に滑り回る音‌‌を聞きました。彼の父親もその音を聞いています。
  • 彼の姉妹が‌‌天井を横切る黒い影‌‌を目撃しました。
  • 彼の妻の性格が変化し、最終的に離婚に至りました。彼は後に、妻が‌‌デーモンに憑依された‌‌と本当に信じるようになりました。
  • 娘とその後同棲したガールフレンドが、予備の寝室で‌‌ロッキングチェアの音と赤ん坊の泣き声‌‌を聞いたと報告しました。
  • 彼自身も‌‌天井を横切る影‌‌を目撃しました。
  • ある朝、目覚めるとベッドの足元に‌‌子供が立っていました‌‌。彼は自分の息子だと思い寝るように促しましたが、後で息子はその夜自宅にいなかったことが判明し、その体験は現実であったと述べています。
  • 彼の息子は、夜寝る際に、‌‌壁の後ろから「捕まえるぞ」という男の声‌‌が聞こえたと話しました。
  • 彼の息子は、‌‌毛むくじゃらのビッグフットのような生物が廊下を横切るのを目撃‌‌し、猫もそれに反応したと述べています。
  • 彼らがその家を引っ越した後、娘が友人とその家を訪れると、‌‌家中の電気が同時に消える‌‌現象が起きました。
• ‌‌1999年：MUFONシンポジウム後のピッツバーグでの体験‌‌
  • MUFONシンポジウムで「ハイブリッドのようだった」女性と出会った後、その後の4晩は‌‌信じられないような体験‌‌が続きました。
  • ‌‌体外離脱体験‌‌をしました。
  • 寝室に‌‌絶対的な「存在」‌‌を感じました。
  • ベッドの横に‌‌毛むくじゃらの生物‌‌がいたと述べています。
  • 何度も見る夢として、彼のドーベルマンが宙に浮き、‌‌「ネズミ少年」または「目が飛び出た子供」‌‌が犬を突いている光景がありました。彼はこの夢について2つの異なる記憶を持っています。
  • 彼のガールフレンドは、彼の家が1999年7月4日に発生したUFO目撃情報（ステートカレッジとウェストバージニア州モーガンタウン）の延長線上にあったことを指摘しました。
  • デイビッド・ジェイコブスに体外離脱体験がエイリアン誘拐だったか尋ねましたが、30年間隔での誘拐は起こらないと返答されました。
• ‌‌2004年感謝祭：ピッツバーグの家‌‌
  • 彼と彼の息子は、真夜中に廊下で何かを聞きましたが、それがどちらでもありませんでした。
  • バスルームの鏡に‌‌6本指の手と腕の跡（X字に交差）‌‌を発見しました。測定すると、その跡は彼の腕よりも3インチ長く、高さ7フィートの存在のものであることが示唆されました。肉体的な形がなく、2本の骨が見えるだけだったと述べています。
• ‌‌2007年10月：父親の死に関連する体験‌‌
  • 父親が亡くなった後、疲労困憊で横たわっていた際に、左目だけが‌‌「最も暗い黒いトンネルから最も輝かしい電気が漏れ出す」‌‌ような光の閃光を見ました。
  • 何かが彼の腕に手を置き、腕をさするのを感じ、これを父親が旅立つ際の出来事だと信じています。
• ‌‌2009年9月：ピッツバーグの家‌‌
  • 午前5時に目覚めると、廊下に‌‌身長7フィートの非人間的な存在‌‌が立っていました。
  • その存在は細い腕（スレンダーマンのよう）、幅12インチの腰、四角い頭（ヘルメットをかぶっているように見えた）、そして映画『第9地区』のエビを連想させる姿だったと描写しています。
  • 電灯をつけると消えました。
• ‌‌2010年4月：娘の体験‌‌
  • 娘が水を飲みに地下室に行った際、‌‌何かが彼女の肩で息をしている‌‌のを感じました。
  • 寝室に戻ると、‌‌何かが彼女の体に入り込み、麻痺と激痛‌‌を引き起こしました。
  • 娘は、天井を渦巻く‌‌影のような人影‌‌と、部屋の隅に立つ‌‌影の男‌‌を目撃しました。
  • 娘の頭の中で‌‌40もの異なる声‌‌が聞こえ、そのうちの1つが「彼女が終わったら、残りの2人（彼の息子と婚約者）も試したい」と言ったと報告しています。ヴェントリはこの言葉から、それが事実であると確信しました。
• ‌‌2013年感謝祭：ピッツバーグの家‌‌
  • 彼と彼の息子がホームシアターのプロジェクターの光の中で、‌‌天井を蛇のように横切る何か‌‌を目撃しました。それは約3フィートの長さで、明確な形はありませんでした。
• ‌‌2014年6月：ピッツバーグの家（離婚20周年記念頃）‌‌
  • 彼のバスルームが‌‌「腐敗した死体の匂い」‌‌で満たされました。彼の知人のゴーストハンターたちはこれをデーモン的存在によるものだと診断しました。
  • テレビ室で‌‌大きな物音‌‌が壁に響き、壁にかかった絵が浮き上がり、インディアンの羽根飾りの羽根が浮遊するのを目撃しました。
  • 彼の犬が屋根裏部屋の階段の頂点にいる何かに反応し、‌‌狂ったように吠えました‌‌。
  • 夜、寝室のバスルームで‌‌非常に大きな物音‌‌がし、彼と犬が同時に反応しました。
  • 数か月後、ある女性が彼の家を‌‌聖水で清めると、約1年半にわたり現象が止まりました‌‌。
• ‌‌2015年感謝祭：ピッツバーグの家‌‌
  • 娘の寝室のドアが閉めても‌‌繰り返し完全に開いている‌‌のを発見しました。彼はこれを、存在が娘の来訪を待っているメッセージだと解釈しました。
  • 夜間、針で刺されるような‌‌刺痛や刺すような感覚‌‌を足や頭皮に感じました。
  • 数週間にわたり、‌‌壁から絶え間なくノックや引っ掻く音‌‌がし、睡眠不足に陥りました。
  • 天井で‌‌ソーダ缶が潰れるような大きなきしむ音‌‌がしました。
  • 彼は‌‌イエス・キリストの名を唱え、それが従わなければ「火の湖」に行く‌‌と命じると、全ての音が止まりました。
  • その後、寝室から‌‌「黒い闇のベールが持ち上がっていく」‌‌のを目撃し、月明かりが差し込む「奇跡」を経験しました。
  • 左目だけで、天井の扇風機の周りを‌‌反時計回りに飛ぶ3つの影のような人影‌‌を見ました。
  • 彼の犬は、これらの出来事の間に彼を数回噛んだため、寝室の外で寝るようになりました。
  • ドア付近の壁から‌‌振動とノック音‌‌が聞こえ、彼が叩き返すと止まるというやり取りができました。
  • 彼の頭に‌‌大きな3本指の「海綿状」の手が触れました‌‌。彼はこれを、彼が「闇」と戦っていることに対する「祝福」または「承認」と解釈しました。
  • この現象は完全に止まったわけではなく、週に2回ほどノック音が聞こえました。
  • マイアミやマートルビーチへの旅行中にも、マートルビーチのタイムシェアで同様の物音やノック音を経験し、自宅以外でも発生するようになったことを示しています。
• ‌‌2016年4月以降（『Ufologist』執筆中）‌‌
  • 彼の頭石（6フィートの聖書を模した墓石）が設置され、彼が自宅に戻り、デーモン的存在を暴く本を執筆している最中に、‌‌彼の裏庭（墓地に隣接）が約200フィートにわたり突如炎上‌‌しました。
  • それまで頻繁に窓にぶつかっていたカーディナル鳥が、この火事以降、一度もぶつからなくなったと述べています。

これらの成人期の体験は、ジョン・ヴェントリが超常現象を単なるUFO現象としてではなく、‌‌「デーモン学的」な観点から深く掘り下げる‌‌ようになった主な理由です。特に、イエス・キリストの名によってデーモンを退けることができたと確信した「奇跡」の体験は、‌‌「イエスとサタンの対立は100%現実である」‌‌という彼の信念を決定づけました。彼は、エイリアン誘拐の多くが実は地球外生命体によるものではなく、デーモン的存在によるものだと考えるようになりました。彼のこれらの個人的な体験とそれに基づく解釈が、MUFON内部およびUFO学界における彼の物議を醸す存在感の源となっています。彼は、これらの出来事を、彼の父親の行動に起因する‌‌「世代間の罪」‌‌と結びつけ、その連鎖を断ち切ることを決意しています。

Kecksburg UFO 事件

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MUFONにおけるジョン・ヴェントリのUFOと超常現象に関する議論のより大きな文脈において、ケックスバーグ事件に関してこれらのソースは以下のことを述べています。

• ジョン・ヴェントリは、ケックスバーグが彼の自宅から約7マイル南に位置していると述べています。
• 彼は、このケックスバーグ事件を‌‌ペンシルベニア州における「最大の事件」‌‌と位置づけています。
• ヴェントリは、MUFONのテレビ番組「Hangar One」のケックスバーグに関するエピソードにおいて、自身がペンシルベニア州の州ディレクターであるにもかかわらず、ほとんど出演させてもらえなかったことに不満を漏らしています。彼が発言できたのは、「ケックスバーグは私の家から7マイル南に位置している」という一言だけでした。
• 最も重要な点として、ヴェントリは、インタビューの「昨年」に‌‌あるエンジニアと共に、ケックスバーグ事件の正体がUFOではなく、墜落したアメリカのスパイ衛星であったことを「証明できた」‌‌と主張しています。
• この結論は‌‌非常に物議を醸しており‌‌、彼自身もこの見解のために、地元ペンシルベニア州西部の人々から「嫌われている」と認めています。彼はこの「論争的」な立場を「所有している」と表現しています。

このように、ジョン・ヴェントリはケックスバーグ事件を、単なるUFOの目撃談としてではなく、‌‌実際には地球外生命体ではない‌‌という彼のデーモン学的な解釈に通じる、より世俗的な起源を持つ事件であると考えています。

UFO現象の増加と変化

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UFOと超常現象に関するジョン・ヴェントリの議論のより大きな文脈において、これらのソースはUFO現象の増加と変化について以下の点を述べています。

ジョン・ヴェントリは、UFO現象の性質と頻度において‌‌顕著な変化と増加‌‌があったと考えており、その多くを地球外生命体によるものではなく、‌‌デーモン的な起源‌‌と結びつけています。

彼の主要な主張と観察は以下の通りです。

• ‌‌個人的な認識の変化‌‌: ヴェントリは、1970年代に自身の心境に変化があったことを述べており、その後2年間デーモン学を研究したと語っています。これは、UFO現象に対する彼自身の理解が進化していったことを示唆しています。
• ‌‌デーモン活動の増加とエスカレーション‌‌:
  • ヴェントリは、‌‌1990年以降、バチカンが年間平均6件だった悪魔祓いの件数が、年間1,300件に増加した‌‌と指摘し、「この地球の構成要素に何かが変化した」「エスカレーションが起きている」と述べています。彼はこれを、社会における「完全な変化」の一部だと考えています。
  • 彼は第一次世界大戦や第二次世界大戦のような「殺戮」の増加と、フー・ファイターズ（彼がエネルギー体としてのデーモン的な存在だと考える）の出現を結びつけ、これらの存在が「大虐殺を楽しんでいた」と示唆しています。
• ‌‌UFO現象の性質の変化（再解釈）‌‌:
  • ヴェントリは、UFOや宇宙生命体の存在は信じているものの、‌‌「グレイエイリアンによる深夜の誘拐」‌‌はエイリアンではなくデーモン的なものだと確信しています。彼は、これが夜中に寝室の隅に現れて麻痺させるといった、デーモン的な存在が行う兆候や特徴（以前にリストアップされたもの）と一致すると主張しています。
  • これに対し、彼は1973年のパソグーラでのUFO多発事件のように、宇宙船と制服を着た存在が土壌、動物、人間のサンプルを採取する「科学的ミッション」のために6週間滞在したという、より「従来のET」の事例も認めています。これは、彼が認識する現象の‌‌種類の変化‌‌を示しています。
  • 「最初のグレイエイリアンの描写が1918年にオカルティストであるアレイスター・クロウリーによって召喚された存在（ラムと名付けられた）であった」という説に言及し、グレイエイリアンの起源がデーモン学的なものであるという彼の見解を補強しています。
  • 「コリンズ・エリート」（CIAの支部とされる）が1952年以降に超常現象とUFOを調査し、「UFOは存在せず、すべてオカルト的、デーモン的な活動である」と結論付けたという話も引用しています。
• ‌‌アブダクション現象の停止‌‌: キャシー・マーティンとデビッド・ジェイコブス博士が、‌‌2013年以降「良いアブダクション事例がない」「プログラムが停止した」‌‌と述べていることに触れています。これは、特定の種類のアブダクション現象が近年減少しているか、あるいは停止しているという観察を示しています。
• ‌‌歴史的連続性‌‌: 彼は、これらの現象は「私たちの世代にとって新しいことではない」「この地球に私たちが存在したのと同じくらい長く存在している」と述べ、神話や作り話として片付けられてきたとしても、その根源的な存在は長い間続いていると考えています。しかし、その‌‌現れ方や解釈‌‌が変化していると見ています。

要するに、ジョン・ヴェントリは、現在のUFO現象、特に「グレイエイリアンの誘拐」とされるものの多くは、実際にはデーモン的な存在によるものであるという‌‌「パラダイムシフト」‌‌を提唱しています。彼は、この現象が‌‌1990年頃から増加し、その性質が変化している‌‌と見ており、それはデーモン活動の「エスカレーション」と関連していると考えています。

他研究者の見解

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UFOと超常現象に関するジョン・ヴェントリの議論のより大きな文脈において、これらのソースは他の研究者の見解について以下のように述べています。ヴェントリは、UFO現象の解釈において他の研究者たちの意見を引用し、自身のデーモン学的な視点を裏付けたり、あるいは反論したりしています。

他の研究者の見解とヴェントリの評価

• ‌‌ジョー・ジョーダン (Joe Jordan)‌‌:

  • 彼は「100%宗教に傾倒しており、UFOは存在しない」と主張しています。
  • 彼は「イエス・キリストの名を使用することで、悪魔的またはエイリアンによる誘拐を撃退できる」と述べています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリはジョーダンの「UFOは存在しない」という見解には同意していませんが、「イエス・キリストの名前を使うことで、これらの存在を撃退できる」という点については‌‌「非常に興味深い」‌‌と強く同意しています。彼は、自身の経験を通じて、この能力が悪魔を撃退する上で「奇跡」を起こしたと信じています。

• ‌‌ジャック・ヴァレ (Jacques Vallée) と J・アレン・ハイネック (J. Allen Hynek)‌‌:

  • 彼らは「UFOは宇宙から来たものではない」と信じているとヴェントリは述べています。
  • ヴェントリは彼らをジョン・キール（John Keel）やジョン・マック（John Mack）と共に「異次元的」な起源を主張する研究者として分類しています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリは、これらの研究者のUFOが宇宙から来たものではないという見解に同意し、一部の現象が異次元的な存在によるものであるという自身のデーモン学的な解釈と整合させています。

• ‌‌マーク・ダントニオ (Mark D'Antonio) と ケニー・ビドル (Kenny Biddle)‌‌:

  • 彼らは「マイラー風船や本物かどうかを調べる」ための分析に用いられる人物として言及されています。
  • マーク・ダントニオは宇宙生物学者であり、「宇宙には生命は存在しない」と主張しているとヴェントリは述べています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリはダントニオの分析能力を認めつつも、彼の「宇宙に生命は存在しない」という見解には同意していません。しかし、彼はダントニオが「非常に興味深い経験をしている」と信じていることを示唆しています。

• ‌‌テリー・レイ (Terry Ray)‌‌:

  • オレンジ色のオーブに関する本を出版した人物で、ヴェントリがMUFONの501c3取得を助けた弁護士でもあります。
  • 彼の本には、実体を持ったオレンジ色のオーブの事例の記述があり、これがヴェントリ自身の家で目撃した存在の記述と「全く同じだった」とヴェントリは述べています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリは彼の研究を自身の経験を裏付けるものとして非常に高く評価しています。

• ‌‌キャシー・マーティン (Kathy Martin)‌‌:

  • 誘拐（アブダクション）研究の第一人者の一人です。
  • 彼女は「2013年以降、良い誘拐事例がない」「（誘拐）プログラムが停止したようだ」と述べています。
  • 彼女は退行催眠において「否定的で悪意のある実体」に遭遇した経験があるとされています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリは、自身がまとめた悪魔憑きとエイリアン誘拐の共通点に関するリストをキャシー・マーティンに渡し、彼女がMUFONのERT（緊急対応チーム）に追加するかもしれないと期待しています。彼女とデビッド・ジェイコブス博士の「プログラム停止」という観察は、ヴェントリの「グレイエイリアンによる誘拐は実際にはデーモン的なもの」という見解を間接的に裏付けるものとして引用されています。

• ‌‌デビッド・ジェイコブス博士 (Dr. David Jacobs)‌‌:

  • 誘拐研究者で、キャシー・マーティンと同様に「2013年以降、良い誘拐事例がない」「プログラムが停止した」と述べています。
  • 彼は「すべての誘拐はエイリアンによるものであり、私たちの社会に適合するハイブリッド（「ヒューブリッド」）を創り出している」と考えています。
  • 彼は「悪意のある実体に出会ったことがない」と主張しています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリはジェイコブス博士の「誘拐プログラムの停止」という観察には同意していますが、彼が「悪意のある実体に遭遇したことがない」という主張には‌‌強く反論‌‌しています。ヴェントリ、マーティン、ニック・レッドファーン、スタン・ゴードンは皆、そのような実体に遭遇しているため、彼らは「椅子から転げ落ちそうになった」と述べています。また、ヴェントリは誘拐が30年おきに起こるかという自身の疑問に対するジェイコブス博士の答えに疑問を呈しています。

• ‌‌ニック・レッドファーン (Nick Redfern)‌‌:

  • 彼の意見は、ヴェントリの「エイリアン誘拐」に関する見方を「変え始めた」人物です。
  • 彼は「最初のグレイエイリアンは1918年にオカルティストのアレイスター・クロウリーによって召喚された存在（ラムと名付けられた）であった」という説をヴェントリに伝えました。
  • 彼は「コリンズ・エリート」というCIAの部門が1952年以降に超常現象とUFOを調査し、「UFOは存在せず、すべてオカルト的、悪魔的な活動である」と結論付けたという話もヴェントリに伝えています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: レッドファーンのインプットは、ヴェントリのUFO現象、特に「グレイエイリアンの誘拐」とされるものの多くが悪魔的な起源を持つという‌‌デーモン学的なパラダイムシフト‌‌に大きく影響を与えました。

• ‌‌スタン・ゴードン (Stan Gordon)‌‌:

  • レッドファーン、マーティン、ジェイコブスと共に円卓会議に参加し、彼も退行催眠において「否定的で悪意のある実体」に遭遇した経験があるとされています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリは彼を信頼できる同僚と見なし、ジェイコブス博士の悪意のある実体に関する主張に異議を唱える際に彼の経験を引用しています。

• ‌‌ロード・ヒル・ノートン (Lord Hill Norton)‌‌:

  • 1997年に「UFOコンサーン・レポート」を執筆し、「UFOは悪魔的であり、宇宙から来たものではない」と結論付けたとヴェントリは述べています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリは彼の結論を、UFO現象のデーモン学的解釈を支持する証拠として引用しています。

• ‌‌ガイ・マローン (Guy Malone)、L.A.マズーリ (L.A. Mazzulli)、アーサー・C・クラーク (Arthur C. Clarke)‌‌:

  • ヴェントリは彼らが皆「これらのものは悪魔的である」と述べていると主張しています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: これらの人物の意見は、ヴェントリのデーモン学的なUFO解釈の追加的な裏付けとして提示されています。

• ‌‌カーラ・ターナー (Carla Turner)（ヴェントリは誤って「キャスリーン・ターナー」と呼称）‌‌:

  • 彼女は「全体像を把握しており、この現象が長い間存在してきたことを理解していた」とヴェントリは述べています。
  • ‌‌ヴェントリの評価‌‌: ヴェントリは彼女を、UFO現象の歴史的連続性と多面的な性質を認識している重要な人物として挙げています。

全体として、ジョン・ヴェントリは、UFOや超常現象のコミュニティにおける他の研究者の見解を積極的に取り入れ、それらを自身のデーモン学的な枠組みの中で評価・統合しています。彼は、UFO現象の一部が悪魔的な起源を持つという自身の‌‌物議を醸す結論‌‌を裏付けるために、特定の研究者の証言や研究結果を引用しています。同時に、彼は自身の信念に合わない見解（例：ジェイコブス博士の悪意のある実体の否定、ジョー・ジョーダンのUFO非存在説）には異議を唱えることで、自身の研究と経験に基づく独自の視点を強調しています。

2013年以降、顕著な abduction 事例がない

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「2013年以降、良い誘拐事例がない」という見解は、UFO誘拐（アブダクション）研究の著名な研究者であるキャシー・マーティンとデビッド・ジェイコブス博士によって示されています。ジョン・ヴェントリによると、彼らは「プログラムが停止したようだ」と述べており、この種の誘拐現象が2013年以降減少している、あるいは質が変わったと認識しています。

この観察は、ヴェントリのデーモン学的な視点において重要な意味を持ちます。

• ‌‌ヴェントリによる解釈‌‌:

  • ヴェントリは、キャシー・マーティンとデビッド・ジェイコブス博士が「良い誘拐事例がない」「プログラムが停止した」と述べている点に同意しています。
  • 彼は、自身が「グレイエイリアンによる誘拐は実際にはデーモン的なもの」であると確信しているため、この「プログラムの停止」という観察は、‌‌誘拐現象の性質が悪魔的なものに変化した、あるいは悪魔的な活動が何らかの理由で停止した、という自身の見解を間接的に裏付けるもの‌‌と考えています。ヴェントリは、特に過去20年から25年の間に観察される「グレイエイリアンによる誘拐」とされる現象の多くが、デーモン的な実体によるものだと考えています。

• ‌‌ジェイコブス博士の異なる見解‌‌:

  • ジェイコブス博士は、すべての誘拐がエイリアンによるものであり、彼らが「ヒューブリッド」（人間の社会に適合するハイブリッド）を創造していると考えています。彼はこの「ヒューブリッド」の例として、ヴェントリが1999年にMUFONシンポジウムで出会った女性を挙げています。
  • しかし、ジェイコブス博士は、退行催眠中に「悪意のある実体」に遭遇したことがないと主張しており、この点でヴェントリ、キャシー・マーティン、ニック・レッドファーン、スタン・ゴードンといった他の研究者たちと‌‌意見が大きく異なっています‌‌。彼らは皆、そのような悪意のある実体に遭遇しているため、ジェイコブス博士の発言に「椅子から転げ落ちそうになった」とヴェントリは述べています。
  • ヴェントリは、ジェイコブス博士の「プログラム停止」という研究結果には同意するものの、それが本当にエイリアンのハイブリッドプログラムなのか、あるいは地球に古くから存在してきた「ネフィリム」のような存在によるものではないのか、という疑問を呈しています。

要するに、「2013年以降、良い誘拐事例がない」というキャシー・マーティンとデビッド・ジェイコブス博士の共通認識は、ジョン・ヴェントリにとって、‌‌「エイリアン誘拐」がデーモン的な現象であるという彼の仮説を補強する重要な手がかり‌‌となっています。しかし、その現象の根本的な性質や起源については、ヴェントリとジェイコブス博士の間で明確な意見の相違が存在します。

UFO 界の Trump

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提供された情報に基づくと、ジョン・ヴェントリはUFO界において‌‌物議を醸す人物‌‌とされており、エリカ・ルークスは彼を「‌‌UFO界のトランプ‌‌」と呼んでいます。この表現は、彼の性格とリーダーシップスタイルが、UFO学の分野でどのように認識されているかを包括的に示唆しています。

ジョン・ヴェントリの物議を醸す性格とリーダーシップ

ジョン・ヴェントリは、自身の性格やリーダーシップスタイルについて、以下のように説明し、また周囲からもそのように評価されています。

• ‌‌論争を恐れない姿勢‌‌:

  • 彼は自身を「論争が好きだから論争の功績は私がいただく」と語り、積極的に論争を受け入れています。
  • 「私を好きであろうとそうでなかろうと構わない。私はそれについて話すつもりだ」と述べ、自身の意見を率直に表明することをいとわない姿勢を示しています。
  • 彼の実の娘が彼に「パパ、トランプはあなただよ」とテキストメッセージを送った際、彼は「その通りだ」と同意しています。
  • UFOs Over Pittsburghの番組では、来客であるジョー・ジョーダンが「UFOは存在しない」と主張した際、その意見に同意しないと明確に述べています。

• ‌‌強力なリーダーシップと効率性‌‌:

  • 彼は自身を「良いマネージャー」と評価し、29歳で州セキュリティディレクターに就任するなど、若くして管理職としての実績を積んでいます。
  • UPSでの上司は彼について「彼に課題を与え、やり方を指示せず、マイクロマネジメントもしないでくれ。彼はやり遂げるから」と語ったと述べています。
  • 彼は「ナンバー2ではいられない」「カークでなければならない」と自身のリーダーシップを表現しており、自身のペンシルベニア支部の運営についても「私が触るものはすべて金になる」と自信を見せています。
  • 数百マイル離れた場所からでも人々を管理でき、任務を委任し、その後の進捗を確認する能力があることを強調しています。

• ‌‌人材活用と育成の哲学‌‌:

  • 彼はMUFONの活動において、個々のメンバーの得意なことを見極め、それを活用することが重要だと考えています。例えば、弁護士のメンバーには非営利団体の書類作成を、コンピューターのスキルが高いメンバーには会議のグラフィックやウェブページを担当させています。
  • 「誰もが平等ではない」という信念のもと、適切な人材を適切な役割に配置することの重要性を強調しています。
  • また、「最高の人物を見つけ、最高の人物を昇進させるべきだ。緑色だろうと、灰色だろうと、女性だろうと、トランスジェンダーだろうと関係ない。仕事をこなし、結果を出すなら構わない」と述べ、結果を重視する姿勢を示しています。

• ‌‌UFO学における専門知識と見解‌‌:

  • UPSのセキュリティ部門の責任者として、‌‌ボディランゲージ、行動分析、供述の聴取、尋問‌‌の訓練を受けており、これをUFO調査の詐欺を見抜くのに役立てています。彼は、人々が次に何が起こったかを語れない場合、それは作り話であると判断できると説明しています。
  • MUFONのペンシルベニア州ディレクターとして、国内で最大規模のMUFON支部を率いており、会議の運営は「伝説的」と評されています。
  • 彼は‌‌デーモン学‌‌に深く関心を持ち、2年間研究してきたと述べています。彼の「UFOs Over Pittsburgh」というテレビ番組では、デーモン学やビッグフットについても議論しており、UFO学の枠を超えたテーマにも取り組んでいます。
  • 特に、‌‌エイリアンによる誘拐現象が実際にはデーモンによるものである‌‌という‌‌物議を醸す可能性のある見解‌‌を示しており、この考えを裏付けるためにデーモン的な憑依とエイリアンによる誘拐の共通の兆候をリストアップしています。彼はまた、UFOsと生命の存在を信じつつも、現在の「グレイエイリアンの誘拐」はデーモン的なものであると確信していると述べています。
  • ‌‌Hangar One‌‌というテレビ番組に出演しており、その番組が優れた視聴率を記録したにもかかわらず、ターゲット層の違いと予算不足のために打ち切られたことに批判的な見解を持っています。
  • ‌‌Facebookでの議論の困難さ‌‌を指摘し、匿名性が論争を助長すると感じています。

ジョン・ヴェントリのキャラクターは、彼の‌‌揺るぎない自信、効率性、そしてUFO学の主流の見解に挑戦することを恐れない意欲‌‌によって特徴づけられます。彼の‌‌「トランプ」のような物議を醸す存在‌‌としての評価は、彼のこの「顔に突きつける」ような性格と、‌‌科学的な調査と超常現象、さらには宗教的信念とを結合させる独創的な（そしてしばしば挑戦的な）試み‌‌から来ています。彼はまた、自身が経験した個人的な超常現象を率直に共有し、それが彼の信念にどのように影響したかを語っています。

時系列

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‌‌1950年代以前‌‌: UFO現象の初期報告。ヴェントリは、この頃から多くのUFOが目撃され、一部は悪魔的な活動と関連していると考える。特に1950年以降、シリアルキラーが急増した時期と指摘。

‌‌1952年‌‌: ワシントンD.C.上空でのUFO目撃事件後、CIAの分派であるコリンズ・エリートが超常現象とUFOの調査を開始。

‌‌1961年‌‌: ヴェントリがベッドで足をつかまれる超常体験をする。

‌‌1969年‌‌: ヴェントリが4夜連続で体外離脱を経験。

‌‌1970年代‌‌: ヴェントリのUFOに対する認識に変化が生じる。デモロジー（悪魔学）の研究を開始。

‌‌1971年‌‌: ヴェントリの祖母が亡くなる数時間前に、祖母の声を聞く。

‌‌1973年‌‌: ヴェントリが夢の中で悪魔的な存在に遭遇。同じ夏、妹がアナベル人形のような体験をする。パスカグーラからミシシッピ、ペンシルベニアに及ぶ大規模なUFOウェーブが発生し、ヴェントリはこれを地球外生命体によるものと認識。

‌‌1975年‌‌: 家畜の切断事件が多発。ヴェントリはこれを悪魔的儀式と関連付ける。

‌‌1988年‌‌: ヴェントリはUPSのヨーロッパ勤務を断る。その直後、乗る予定だったPan Am 103便がロッカービー上空で爆破される。

‌‌1989-1990年‌‌: ヴェントリがオクラホマシティに転居。家の中で足音や男性のチャントを聞くなどの超常現象を経験。

‌‌1990年以降‌‌: バチカンが報告する悪魔払いの件数が年間平均6件から1300件へと急増。

‌‌1996年‌‌: ヴェントリがタイムプロフェシーと文化の研究を通じてUFOに興味を持つ。

‌‌1997年‌‌: ヴェントリが現在のピッツバーグの家に引っ越す。ロード・ヒル・ノートンが「UFOコンサーン・レポート」を執筆し、UFOを悪魔的なものと結論付ける。

‌‌1998年‌‌: ヴェントリがMUFONに参加。

‌‌1999年7月4日‌‌: ワシントンD.C.で開催されたMUFONシンポジウムに参加後、ヴェントリが再び体外離脱を経験し、寝室で毛むくじゃらの生物を目撃。同日、彼の家と一直線上にUFOが目撃される。

‌‌2004年感謝祭‌‌: ヴェントリのバスルームの鏡に6本指の巨大な手の跡が出現。ヴェントリと息子が同時に廊下で何者かの音を聞く。

‌‌2007年10月‌‌: ヴェントリの父親の死後、彼が寝室で光の閃光と触覚を経験。

‌‌2008年‌‌: ペンシルベニア州バックス郡でUFOウェーブが発生。

‌‌2009年9月‌‌: ヴェントリが午前5時に廊下に7フィートの非人間的な姿を目撃。

‌‌2010年4月‌‌: ヴェントリの娘が地下室で何者かに呼吸をかけられ、寝室で「シャドウ・ピープル」と「シャドウ・マン」に遭遇し、体が吸収されるような体験をする。

‌‌2013年感謝祭‌‌: ヴェントリのホームシアターで、プロジェクターの光の中に蛇のような生物が横切るのを息子と共に目撃。

‌‌2013年以降‌‌: キャシー・マーティンによると、良いアブダクション事件が報告されなくなる。

‌‌2014年6月6日‌‌: ヴェントリの離婚20周年。

‌‌2014年6月7日‌‌: ヴェントリの家で腐敗臭が発生し、壁で大きな物音がするなどの超常現象が起こる。飼い犬が異常に反応。

‌‌2014年後半‌‌: ヴェントリが女性に聖水で家を清めてもらう。

‌‌2015年感謝祭‌‌: ヴェントリの娘が滞在しないと決めた直後、彼自身の家で超常現象が悪化。寝室で針で刺されるような感覚、頭皮を刺される感覚、壁からのノック音や引っ掻き音を経験。

‌‌2015年感謝祭直後‌‌: ヴェントリがイエス・キリストの名で悪魔的実体に立ち向かうと、闇のベールが持ち上がり光が戻るという「奇跡」を経験。

‌‌現在‌‌: ヴェントリは悪魔的実体が完全に去ったわけではないと感じている。悪魔学に関する7冊目の本を執筆中。「UFOs Over Pittsburgh」というテレビ番組を共同司会。MUFONペンシルベニア支部の責任者。

主要関係者

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‌‌ジョン・ヴェントリ (John Ventre / Venturi)‌‌:

• 本インタビューの主要な語り手で、MUFONにおける物議を醸す人物。
• ペンシルベニア州のMUFON支部を国内最大級に成長させた。
• MUFONの複数州ディレクターを務める。
• 1996年からUFO研究に携わる。
• 7冊のUFO関連書籍を執筆中。最新作は悪魔学とUFOの関連、自身の超常体験に関するもの。
• UPSの退職した州セキュリティ・広報担当ディレクターで、地元議員の会社連絡係も務めていた。
• 慈善活動に積極的で、若年性糖尿病財団やウエストモアランド経済成長コネクションの理事、ロータリークラブの会長を務める。
• 「Hangar One」「UFOs Over Pittsburgh」「Coast to Coast AM」など、数多くのテレビ番組やラジオ番組に出演。
• 生涯にわたる超常体験と、悪魔学への深い研究を持つ。UFO現象の一部が悪魔的なものだと強く主張している。
• 論争を恐れない性格で、自分を「UFO界のトランプ」と称する。

‌‌エリカ・ルークス (Erica Lukes)‌‌:

• 本インタビューの聞き手であり、「UFO Classified」の司会者。
• MUFONの元州ディレクター。
• 「Project Orange」というオレンジ色の光球現象に関する研究を行っていた。
• UFOロジーにおけるプロフェッショナリズムと倫理の重要性を強調している。
• UFOロジー界の性差別問題について懸念を抱いている。

‌‌ビル・ウェーバー (Bill Weber)‌‌:

• ペンシルベニア州でMUFONの調査員として活動し、ジョン・ヴェントリの友人。
• ヴェントリは彼にMUFONの科学的調査の実施を任せている。

‌‌フレッド・サルーガ (Fred Saluga)‌‌:

• ウェストバージニア州のMUFONディレクター。
• ジョン・ヴェントリと共に「UFOs Over Pittsburgh」というテレビ番組を共同司会。
• トッド・シーズ事件を独自に調査し、薬物関連の事件だと考えている。

‌‌ジョー・ジョーダン (Joe Jordan)‌‌:

• 「UFOs Over Pittsburgh」に出演したゲストの一人。
• UFOは存在せず、すべてが悪魔的な現象であると主張する、宗教に傾倒した視点を持つ。
• イエス・キリストの名によって悪魔的またはエイリアンによるアブダクションを退けることができると信じている。

‌‌マーク・ダントニオ (Mark D'Antonio)‌‌:

• 宇宙生物学者。
• 宇宙に生命は存在しないと主張するが、個人的な興味深い体験を持つとヴェントリに言及されている。
• ヴェントリは彼のような専門家にビデオや写真の分析を依頼している。

‌‌ケン・ビドル (Kenny Biddle)‌‌:

• ビデオや写真の分析を行う専門家の一人としてヴェントリに言及される。

‌‌ヤン (Jan)‌‌:

• MUFONの関係者で、「M-Files」というテレビ番組のアイデアに同意しているが、実現できていない。

‌‌ポール・ヴァラドリッド (Paul Villadolid)‌‌:

• 「Hangar One」のプロデューサーの一人。
• 限られた予算の中で番組制作に尽力したとヴェントリは評価している。

‌‌ベン (Ben), トニー (Tony), キャシディ (Cassidy)‌‌:

• 「Hangar One」に出演していたMUFON関係者、または番組に貢献した人々。

‌‌テリー・レイ (Terry Ray)‌‌:

• オレンジ色の光球に関する本を執筆した弁護士。
• MUFONを501c3非営利団体にするための書類作成に貢献。
• 彼が記述したオレンジ色の光球事件における実体の描写が、ジョン・ヴェントリが自宅で遭遇した存在と酷似していた。

‌‌デヴィッド・ジェイコブス博士 (Dr. David Jacobs)‌‌:

• UFOアブダクション研究の著名な学者。
• アブダクションがすべてエイリアンによるものであり、ハイブリッド（ヒューブリッド）を創造するプログラムであると主張。
• ヴェントリが自身の体外離脱体験がアブダクションであるかを質問したが、ジェイコブスはそうではないと答えた。
• 悪魔的実体に遭遇した経験がないと語り、ヴェントリらを驚かせた。

‌‌キャシー・マーティン (Kathy Martin)‌‌:

• アブダクション研究者で、ヴェントリのグループの主導的なアブダクション担当者の一人。
• MUFONのERT（Abduction Response Team）チームの設立に関与している可能性がある。
• 2013年以降、良いアブダクション事件が報告されていないと述べる。
• 悪魔的実体の存在を認識している。

‌‌ジョージ・ドク・メディック (George "Doc" Medich)‌‌:

• 元メジャーリーグ野球選手（ヤンキース、パイレーツなど）。
• MUFON関係者で、ヴェントリと共にエリーでの野球の試合で始球式を行った。
• エリーでのUFO会議の円卓会議に参加。

‌‌ニック・レッドファーン (Nick Redfern)‌‌:

• 作家。
• 多くの本を執筆していることで知られる。
• ヴェントリのエイリアン・アブダクションに関する見解の変化に影響を与えた。
• コリンズ・エリートや家畜の切断事件が悪魔的な活動と関連しているという説を提唱。
• エリーでのUFO会議の円卓会議に参加。

‌‌スタン・ゴードン (Stan Gordon)‌‌:

• UFO研究者。
• エリーでのUFO会議の円卓会議に参加。
• 悪魔的実体の存在を認識している。

‌‌リンダ・モルトン・ハウ (Linda Moulton Howe), リンダ・ジンマーマン (Linda Zimmerman), ジェン・スタイン (Jen Stein), レベッカ・ハードキャッスル・ライト (Rebecca Hardcastle-Wright)‌‌:

• ヴェントリがフィラデルフィアで開催する会議で講演する女性スピーカーたち。エリカ・ルークスはレベッカ・ハードキャッスル・ライトを次週のゲストとして紹介している。

‌‌J・アレン・ハイネック (J. Allen Hynek)‌‌:

• 著名なUFO学者。
• ジャック・ヴァレと同じく、UFOが宇宙から来たものではないと考えていた人物として言及される。

‌‌ジャック・ヴァレ (Jacques Vallée)‌‌:

• 著名なUFO研究者。
• UFOは宇宙から来たものではなく、異次元的存在であると考えている。

‌‌ジョー・マイケル・リギ (Joe Michael Riggi)‌‌:

• 「Codename Eagle Force」という本を執筆した特殊作戦士官。

‌‌ソラリス・ブルー・レイヴン (Solaris Blue Raven)‌‌:

• ラジオ番組「Hyperspace」の司会者。

‌‌リバウンド・ショーン・ウィッティントン牧師 (Reverend Sean Whittington)‌‌:

• ラジオ番組「Vegas Supernatural」の司会者。

‌‌ティナ・マリー (Tina Marie)‌‌:

• 「Alien Deceptions」という本を執筆した人物。「Restricted Airspace」という番組の司会も務める。

‌‌トッド・シーズ (Todd Seas)‌‌:

• フレッド・サルーガとジョン・ヴェントリが異なる見解を持つUFO事件の対象者。靴が木の上で見つかり、翌日遺体で発見された。ヴェントリはこれを本物のUFO事件と信じている。

‌‌ブッチ・ウィトコウスキー (Butch Witkowski)‌‌:

• トッド・シーズ事件に関するプレゼンテーションを行う人物。ヴェントリは彼の話は多少誇張されていると考えている。

‌‌アレイスター・クロウリー (Aleister Crowley)‌‌:

• 1918年に最初の「グレイ」エイリアンを描写した人物。ヴェントリは彼が悪魔学者でカルト的サタニストであったと指摘し、これが悪魔的な存在との関連を示唆していると主張。

‌‌ヒトラー (Hitler)‌‌:

• ヴェントリが悪魔的な存在に取り憑かれていた可能性があると示唆する人物。オカルトや形而上学に深く関与していたとされる。

‌‌カーラ・ターナー (Carla Turner)‌‌:

• UFOを悪魔的なものと主張する研究者の一人として言及される。

‌‌キー (Keel), マック (Mack)‌‌:

• UFOが異次元的であると考える研究者として言及される。

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05 May 20 2016 John Ventre

www.youtube.com/watch?v=epmDAgR5Fl0

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展開

（John Ventre がゲスト、Erica Lukes が聞き手のインタビュー）

Without further ado, though, I am here with John Venturi, who is quite the controversial figure in MUFON. And I think that he has done an exceptional job with his chapter back in Pennsylvania. He has one of the biggest MUFON chapters in the country. And the amount of work they do for their conferences is legendary. I am a good friend of Bill Weber, who works out in Pennsylvania and investigates for MUFON. It's very, very cool. (0:05:22)

So he is, this is going to be a fun conversation tonight. He is actually a multi-state director for MUFON. And his research into time prophecy and cultures got him interested back in 1996 in the UFOs. He occasionally writes for seven different UFO magazines. He's a retired PA, State Security and Public Affairs Director for UPS, and his company's liaison to his local congressman. He supports charitable giving through his work on the Board of Directors for Juvenile Diabetes, the Westmoreland Economic Growth Connection. That's cool. (0:06:06)

MUFON, Rotary, and was United Way, Tocqueville Society Member for Charitable Giving. John is also Rotary Club President. I'm not quite sure how you're doing all this, John. Good Lord. He's also been on numerous television appearances, including Anderson Cooper. I bet that was interesting. We'll talk about that. And he's been in 40 episodes of TV shows, including Hanger One, which was honestly one of my favorite shows. (0:06:33)

I love that. And I love seeing all of my friends from MUFON contribute to that. UFOs over Pittsburgh. And he has a great YouTube channel. He's been on Coast to Coast AM. And he hosts all these conferences. So, John, welcome to the show. How do you do it all? When do you sleep? You know, the question I ask myself is, I'm retired for the last four years, but I was doing all of this while I was working full time at UPS. That's the question I ask myself is, how did you do that for 10 years as you were a security and public affairs director for three states? (0:07:10)

You know, I had Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia for UPS. We met with 22 congressmen and senators. (0:07:17)

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You know, I had all the airports. I had a TSA CIDA badge. I could drive my car out onto the tarmac in Pittsburgh. I don't know how I did all of that because I'm busy now in retirement and I'm only doing this side of it. But, I mean, you must be doing more of this now because it seems like you're everywhere and you're writing a lot of books and you're doing TV. And so it's kind of cool that you've really settled into this. (0:07:42)

Well, you know, I wrote, I've written, I'm writing my seventh book right now. And I said after I published Case for UFOs last year that I'm done. I'm not writing anymore. And I didn't lie because I'm not writing about UFOs anymore. The seventh book coming out is going to be really on demonology and its connection to UFOs. So it's really a book about demonology and my haunted life. (0:08:10)

But, you know, the one cool thing I do is with Fred Saluga, who's the West Virginia state director. We do two episodes a month on television called UFOs Over Pittsburgh. And it's done on public TV. We do a half hour talk show and we get all kinds of guests, you know. So we just had Joe Jordan on. We've had other people Skyped in. (0:08:34)

And now we're into the Skyping because they gave us, they've got a new studio and, you know, a good background of the city of Pittsburgh with a UFO over it. And we're into now, you know, Skyping people in. So, you know, I've done like 36 episodes of that. And, you know, for people who miss Hangar One, because I miss Hangar One, we're doing this talk show and it's on YouTube. It's really cool. (0:08:59)

Yeah. I love it. Yeah. You can look up my name or UFOs Over Pittsburgh. And I think it's a great show. And, you know, it's controversial, just like me. You know, we talk about stuff. You know, the last six episodes has really been on demonology. We've talked about Bigfoot. We talked about other stuff than UFOs. And, you know, you know me. I don't care if you like me. (0:09:20)

You don't care if you like it. I'm going to talk about it. Here's a good example. My daughter last year discovered Donald Trump. And she texts me and said, Dad, Trump is you. And I said, You got it. You got it. So that's what you're dealing with tonight. Oh, my gosh. Well, you know what? I have to say that I really do love watching that. (0:09:43)

You've had some interesting guests on. And your last show with, was it Joe Jordan? Mm-hmm. That was controversial. I mean, I will tell you that he said some things that I did not agree with, to be honest. Well, he's 100% into the religion. And there are no UFOs. And I don't agree with that. I think we're dealing with two things here. (0:10:09)

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There's way too much evidence that UFOs are real. But, you know, in the back of my mind, I can... If somebody could make the case for me that fallen angels can materialize UFOs and try to prove it, you know, not just say it. You know, I might agree with Joe Jordan that maybe we're not dealing with extraterrestrials here. We're just dealing with interdimensional entities, some malevolent, some not malevolent. (0:10:38)

But I think, you know, the history of UFOs, and that's the book I wrote, Case for UFOs. This evidence goes back so long, and it's on radar and sonar and video. I mean, there are UFOs. But I understand the difference. And we'll talk a little bit about the change that took place in my mind in the 70s. And we'll get into this demonology thing, too, because I've spent the last two years studying this. (0:11:03)

Yeah, that will be really interesting, because I, you know, it alarmed me a little bit when I heard him talk about the fact that, I mean, it seemed to me that everything was a demon. Or everything with regard to this phenomena was negative, and that people should really, you know, call in Jesus Christ, which I, I mean, you know, I'm a Christian. But I don't know if, I think to me that kind of sets a dangerous tone for people, because then they're automatically assuming that's what it is without all the knowledge. (0:11:40)

And we don't have all the knowledge. Right. Yeah. And, you know, and we'll talk about the differences, you know, and like I said, I know, personally, demonology is real. I have had unfortunate situation with that that's currently going on. And I know that that's real. I mean, I've never seen a UFO. I've had paranormal activity my whole life. But we'll get into that. (0:12:02)

But the evidence, and just the fact that there's 8.8 billion Earth-like planets here, just in the Milky Way. Now, take 8.8 billion, multiply that by 200 or 250 billion galaxies, the number is unbelievable, the number of Earth-like planets. And I can't believe that none of them but us have life on it. But it's possible. I mean, you know, if you're an astrobiologist, you know, if you're Mark D'Antonio, he tells you there ain't no life out there, right? (0:12:37)

Astrobiologists, it's a study of nothing. They tell you there's no life out there. I wish I had that job. You know, give me $150,000 a year, and it's a study of nothing. I sit in my office, drink coffee, and say there's no life out there. But I do think that Mark, though, I mean, Mark has had very interesting experiences. And so I believe he does think that there are things out there, for sure. (0:12:59)

Yeah, I mean, he's smarter than me. There's no doubt about that. But, you know, I'm a common sense guy, a security director. I grew up in Brooklyn and Queens, you know, like Donald Trump. I'm in your face. (0:13:09)

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And, you know, you got to show me, you got to prove things. But I'm not a PhD person. And I'm not a scientist. I don't want to be a scientist. I really don't. Well, and, you know, that's such a foundation, that is our foundation in MUFON, the scientific method. And so when you're conducting investigations, how do you incorporate the scientific method into investigations? (0:13:32)

Oh, real easy. I let Bill Weber do it. I got some great people in Pennsylvania. And, you know, at this point, Erica, with four states, I administrate it. I can't remember the last investigation I went out on. It was probably six, seven years ago. At this point, I just make sure everything gets done. You know, my fun, because I'm a really good manager and I was a good manager at work. (0:14:00)

You know, I was a state security director at 29 years old. I went into management at 25. By 29, I was a director level person. But, you know, my fun is running our three conferences and doing the TV show in Pittsburgh. And, you know, I wish we could do Hangar One or what, you know, what I've tried to sell to Jan, which he agrees, but we can't find anybody, is to have a show called the M-Files that competes with the X-Files. And it's our people, even if you get actors, you know, they're MUFON investigators going out on cases based on our real files. (0:14:34)

And it's the M-Files. I mean, what shows better than that? It's real. But, you know, the History Channel wants to stick with Ancient Aliens, which is totally made up. You know, the first two seasons were good. When they got to Da Vinci being an extraterrestrial, they lost me in season three. But they want to stick with this phony history when MUFON has the real history. (0:14:55)

I don't understand it, but that's what they're doing. You know, so what so what happened specifically with Hangar One and why was it canceled? Well, you know, we we had better ratings. You know, you think about the progression. You had UFO files. Then you had UFO hunters. Then you had Ancient Aliens. And Hangar One should have been the replacement for Ancient Aliens. I mean, they're on season 10 right now because I think they had some years where they actually did two seasons in in one year. (0:15:31)

We were drawing about 1.4 million people. I don't think Ancient Aliens even drew a million people. But the difference is, even though we were drawing maybe 400,000 more people, they were drawing people in that 18 to 46 range where our audience was 46 and older. But you know what? Give us the nine o'clock slot and you would get the younger crowd. I mean, let's face it. When you were single, I'm single. (0:16:01)

Friday night at 10, I go out. That's the hour. Saturday night at 10. Not me, man. I'm Grandma Moses now, so I don't know what my problem is. (0:16:10)

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Think back 20 years. Before the dinosaurs? If you give a show the 10 o'clock hour, you're going to get the older people. If you give a show an 8 or 9 o'clock time slot, you're going to get the younger people. So it was really based on the advertisers saying, well, they're getting more of the younger crowd. Okay, but they had the nine o'clock slot. Give us the nine o'clock slot. (0:16:34)

I guarantee you, we would have drew two million people and we would have got those younger people. But they didn't give us the chance for season three. And that's too bad. I really think that it was a great show. It was always fun to see you and Ben and Tony and Cassidy and all of that stuff. But Hanger One did cause some controversy because when you've got the diehard researchers that are noticing that mistakes are made, Hanger One came under a lot of fire because of that. (0:17:03)

What was your take on that? Well, you know, these shows are hard to do. And, you know, I'd like to take credit for all the controversial episodes, even though I didn't really write those. But I'll take the credit for controversy because I like controversy. I'm going to one day run for public office, I'm telling you. Oh, well, you know what? Maybe he could be Trump's vice president. (0:17:24)

Well, I should meet with him because I got some really good ideas. Oh, dear God, please don't encourage him. No, don't encourage him. But, you know, I see errors in a lot of shows. I mean, I watch movies. I have 600 DVDs at home. I mean, I see errors in movies. I see errors in other shows that are that are done. But, you know, one of the things for Hanger One, they never never gave us the big enough budget. (0:17:52)

It seemed like in the two seasons that we did, you know, you've got to give Paul Villadolid and Go Go Lucky a lot of credit. And the Mufon people that were doing all of the research, that show was put together on about 60 percent of the budget that it should have got. You know, 60 percent of what other shows were getting is all they gave us to produce that. (0:18:18)

And we did it. And I think we did it pretty well. I mean, my only real complaint was there was one episode. It's not a complaint. There was one episode where there was no money left. And I remember sitting there at the lunch. They had great lunches. I'll tell you that, though. The buffets were great. You know, and they were sitting and I'm listening to Paul and the other producers and stuff saying, how are we going to do this? (0:18:40)

There's no money and stuff. They actually did a launch of a rocket. And it was a cartoon. Oh, wow. And I remember that. I don't remember which episode it was in. (0:18:51)

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And I looked at it and I said, you've got to be kidding me. We're actually showing a cartoon launch of a rocket. We don't have money to find, you know, archival footage of an actual Agena rocket being launched. But that's that's really where it was. I mean, we just were not given the budget. And I think they did a great job with the budget. (0:19:10)

So I thought, you know, I think Paul is an amazing man. I've always liked him a lot and I respect his work. You know, and I will just say that I was a little bummed out when there was an episode that involved Dugway. And nobody even told me that it was, you know, taking place. It did happen in Utah, but I guess that's the way it rolls. (0:19:30)

And, you know... Well, get this. They did the one on Kecksburg, right? Pennsylvania. Yeah. I wasn't even in that one. They didn't ask me. Oh, the horrors. All the lines for Kecksburg went to somebody else. I got one line where I said, you know, Kecksburg's located like seven miles south of my house. And that's all I said. I said, you know, I'm the Pennsylvania State Director. You're doing the biggest case in Pennsylvania, Kecksburg. Which, I will tell you, last year with an engineer, I was able to prove Kecksburg was a U.S. spy satellite that crashed. (0:20:09)

It was not a UFO. But we'll do that on some other show. Oh, Lordy. We're going to have to. Oh, yeah. Controversial, man. They hate me here now in Pennsylvania. Western PA. You know, I'm telling you, you are controversial and clearly you own it. And we're going to talk a little bit about more things with regards to that and some of the Orange Orb research and different things. (0:20:34)

And, I mean, I think this is going to be a really fascinating show tonight. You know, there was a guy, we did a show, a radio show. It was back in September and he really didn't put it out there. He had some technical problems. He said he just put it out about a month ago. He's got 27,000 hits on it. He called me back. He goes, can you be on again? (0:20:57)

He goes, that's my biggest show, he said, he's ever done. So, yeah, so that's fine. You know, let me just say this, too. And I want to say this publicly is, you know, I do my three conferences. I'm asked to speak in, I think, Maryland, Ohio, Jersey. Nobody on the West Coast has ever asked me to speak. And I have 10 different presentations. (0:21:23)

I don't give the same presentation. No one has ever asked me to speak. I did the UFO Congress when I was talking about end time prophecy and the Mayan calendar years ago. But I've never been invited to speak to one conference outside of my little northeast area. And that bums me out, considering doing all the TV shows and all of that. (0:21:43)

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I thought someone would ask me to speak. You know, I don't even charge to speak. Just get me there. Oh, wow. Just get me there. Oh, that's interesting. Well, now that you put that out there. Okay, so there you go. You know, I'll get my own hotel, too. You know, just give me a plane. No, and I think it is interesting because in a lot of the conferences, you find the same people over and over and over and over again. (0:22:06)

And I think that I will say that UFO Congress does a totally kick-butt job with getting people in. I mean, new, different faces. And I do admire them for that. And for them to have Jacques Vallée there last year, or this year, actually, that's pretty awesome. But I wonder if anybody asked him the tough questions. You know, I didn't go. But, you know, Jacques Vallée does not believe UFOs are from space. (0:22:33)

No, he doesn't. I put that on Facebook, and I've had fights with a lot of different people. Neither did J. Allen Hynek. There's a lot of people. I would have asked him those questions, and we would have had a little controversy there. But here's one of the other things with conferences. You know, think about it. Who's on the lecture circuit? Oh, yeah. I know. (0:22:55)

There are no investigators. Well, exactly. Exactly. We've got to, like, just, you know, go to a break really quickly, but the best is yet to come. So we'll see you in a couple minutes, people. Stand by. This is UFO Classified with Erica Lukes. Erica Lukes. The phone lines are open now at 702-425-9230. That's 702-425-9230. Worldwide callers use Skype name KCOR Radio. More UFO Classified with Erica Lukes on the KCOR Digital Radio Network after this. (0:23:45)

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In case you missed it, I'm Erica Lukes. And this is UFO Classified on KCOR. Digital Broadcasting Network. The best digital broadcasting network on the planet. Like I was saying at the beginning of my show, I am grateful to be here with such a professional ensemble. And to have the support of Tina Marie, who will be up in a little bit on restricted airspace. (0:28:00)

It is good to see some professional organizations involved in ufology. I think we really miss out a lot on that. I think there's a lot of unprofessional behavior in ufology. And I think that all of you who listen to my show and follow me on Facebook know how I feel about that. I definitely feel we need to step it up a bit and treat each other like human beings and quit playing games and all that good stuff. (0:28:28)

But, you know, I'm here tonight. With John Ventry, who is pretty much the most controversial. He's the Trump of UFOs. That's it. Vote for me. I know. So, why do you... And we had some good conversations off air, but I want to talk a little bit more about why are you so controversial in ufology? Well, you know, it's the same way when I worked at UPS. My bosses knew, give him an assignment, but don't tell him how to do it and don't micromanage him. (0:29:04)

I'll get it done. My personality, and I think when you're a leader, you lead. I'm not a good number two. I couldn't be Spock on Star Trek. I've got to be Kirk. It's just my personality. (0:29:18)

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I get things done. I'm very efficient. My bosses would tell me, John, everything you touch turns to gold at work. And that's the way I am, the way I run my Pennsylvania chapter, and maybe that sounds conceited or whatever, but I'm my own person. I probably should have opened my own company instead of working for a corporation, but it's just my personality. I can't be the number two. (0:29:46)

That's just the way it is. I think, too, people don't understand when you are a state director or in any lead role, it takes a certain type of personality to do that. And to be somebody who can really reach out, grow membership, get people involved, it's a different animal than being perhaps a researcher or something like that. So it's challenging, and I think it's challenging for people who are real scientific, the engineers who maybe don't have some of the good interpersonal skills, because we all have different ways of thinking, and it might be a little harder for them to build chapters because of that. (0:30:28)

Does that make sense? Yeah, and the thing you got to remember, too, is at work I've managed thousands of people. I've managed minorities, different people in Brooklyn and Queens. I've been all over the world. I worked in Europe. The thing I know is you watch a person and you figure out what they're best at. And I've seen it here where we got some people that really aren't good investigators, but you know what? (0:30:54)

The guy's an attorney, and he could do the paperwork to make us a 501c3, and he did. Or this other person, he's not the best investigator, but you know what? He's got great computer skills. He comes and he runs the laptop and everything at our conferences, and he does our graphics and our webpage. You find out what people are best at, and then that's what you utilize. (0:31:18)

Not everybody is the same. Exactly. It's a major problem we have in this country. We want everybody to be equal, and we're not. Nobody's equal. No, that is right. You need to have people that you can delegate things to, and for me, my strengths in what I wanted to do in MUFON were not utilized to the way they could have been, and that's unfortunate because there's a skill set that we all have, and you have to work on that, and that's the way it rolls, but I am definitely doing it now. (0:31:56)

The way I look at it, you find out what somebody's best at, you put them in charge of that. Trump's going to surround himself with experts in different areas. Well, praise the Lord. Or anything except for really bad hair. If I could find somebody who's a good tax guy, he'd be our MUFON tax person doing our returns. That's the one thing I haven't found yet, is somebody to do our income tax returns. (0:32:20)

Well, if you find somebody, let me know. (0:32:23)

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With regards to being a good field investigator and really getting out there, there's so many hoaxes nowadays. As we know, you just turn on YouTube and you can see all sorts of things, but how do you know a hoax when you see it, and what would you tell investigators to look for? Well, the one thing I do, because I was head of security, I was trained in body language, behavioral analysis, taking statements, interviewing, interrogations. (0:32:54)

When I'm interviewing somebody, and, you know, you look at a video, I don't know if that's a Mylar balloon, I don't know if it's real, you've got to give that to Mark D'Antonio or Kenny Biddle or some of these other people that we use over here to look at it, but I know when I'm interviewing you and you can't tell me what happened next, you made it up. (0:33:10)

And that's one of the things you have to learn. You know, if you're going to ask me about this demonic stuff that's happened to me, I can tell you everything that happened, what happened next, next, next, next. So if I'm interviewing you, okay, you saw the UFO, what happened next? Do you have time to think? Do you have to make something up? You know, that's a key, when they can't tell you what happened next, then you know they're just making it up. (0:33:34)

Right. And, you know, I have to say, with regard, that's my favorite saying for the evening, but, you know, I look at the orange orb phenomenon. And for me, when I was doing my Project Orange in MUFON, which I've kind of taken outside now and I'm doing some cool things, the biggest complaint that we had as a team is looking through the database and seeing the fact that you've got people that are not educated and are dismissing really, really credible cases. (0:34:08)

So, you know, I found that there are specific people all over the world that are videotaping this type of stuff day after day after day, and it's really, really credible. Well, you know, we had my guy over here who put that book out on the orange orbs, and you initially were working with him. Terry Ray. Yeah, Terry Ray. And that's my attorney guy who, you know, he made us a 501c3. So you find out what somebody does best, and you do it. (0:34:35)

But, you know, and he found four bases that he says around the country that these orbs are going to. And I'll tell you something, I had Terry Ray on my UFO show, UFOs over Pittsburgh, and when you read his book, his description of the orange orb cases that had an entity, right, his description was exactly what I saw in my house in 2004 of the being. And we'll get to that. (0:35:03)

But when I read his book and I saw that and I said, oh my god, this is exactly what was standing in my hallway. (0:35:10)

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You know, I woke up at five in the morning, it's standing there. But we'll get to that when we get to my story. Yeah, we will, which we're going to. And I just want to just ask a couple more questions about you and your state and things. Do you have areas in your state where you feel are particular hot spots for activity? Well, it's been Bucks County ever since 2008. We had that UFO wave that started in Lake Erie, East Lake, Ohio. It came across Wheeling, West Virginia, Pittsburgh. I had people calling me in Wheeling saying, I see it. (0:35:46)

And then somebody calls me in State College 20 minutes later seeing it, you know, a triangular craft. So it was something. But it seemed to mostly be seen over the north of Philly, Bucks County. And that's where we do our conferences in Bucks County. But that's been the hot spot. And, you know, we got plenty of investigators there. We just picked up a bunch of investigators north of there by Allentown. We picked up six investigators in Altoona. We don't even have any cases in Altoona. And Erie, we got a bunch of investigators. (0:36:20)

Surprisingly, here in Pittsburgh where we do the conference, we do the TV show, no new investigators. We got the same four people we've had for 15 years. So I've got to figure out what to do here at home. Do you think that MUFON needs better education for the investigators? Well, they just did this MUFON University that's starting up. And they got a load of information there. (0:36:45)

And they're starting something where, you know, you have to certify yourself. And it looks really good. You know, and I went through the state directive manual. But, you know, the person's got to be motivated. You can't hold somebody's hand and tell them what they've got to do. You find that with a lot of people. I found that at work, too. That's why I said, you give me something, you don't have to tell me how to do it. You don't have to follow up on me. (0:37:09)

I'm going to get it done. But other people, you know, the motivation's not there. It's too much work. I don't have the time. They want to be a card-carrying member and tell their friends they're a UFO investigator. But, you know, you have to be motivated to learn it and utilize it. Right. When I was investigating for MUFON and state director, it was very challenging for me to get good information. And so I had to get on the phone and reach out to people all over the world and outside of MUFON to learn how to be a better investigator. (0:37:43)

And that was one of my biggest frustrations was the fact that the education was pretty minimal in my feeling. And I definitely think that Ken St. John is doing a good job. This is going to be a big boost for MUFON. It needs that. And I also think there needs to be a little bit of cohesion where people are working together because things get so isolated and it's one state against the other state. (0:38:08)

Then you get this really, you know, just kind of stomping your feet attitude. And I think that doesn't help anybody. I understand why people feel that way because there's a lot of bad behavior involved. (0:38:23)

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Well, you know, you get people from all different walks of life. And, you know, when I joined MUFON, I was a security director at UPS. So, okay, you want me to do investigations? Fine. I don't even need to read the manual. I can go do the investigation. But, you know, we got people who are cab drivers. You know, we have attorneys. We got pilots. (0:38:41)

We got security guards. So, a lot of things, I guess, you can't take for granted. I never really gave any of that a thought because it was in the line of work that I was in, so I could step right in and do it. And, you know, being a multi-state director for MUFON, well, that's the same thing I was doing at UPS. I was a multi-state director for UPS. I know how to manage people from afar. (0:39:07)

You know, you've got hundreds of miles to cover, and it's not a problem. You know, if you follow up and you delegate. But the follow-up is the part that has to get done. Right. Exactly. Yeah, that's true. And I definitely, like I said, I have so much respect and so many dear friends in MUFON that I will always reach out to and care about a lot. (0:39:27)

And they just are hard-working people, like, you know, that want the answers. And I love it. I'm going to miss you at the state director's meeting. I know. You're not going to be there. Well, you know, I guess, you know, like I've kind of said, if things are resolved in a good manner, but for me it was just too negative of an experience. (0:39:50)

And I think being a woman involved in a man's organization, so to speak, is a challenge. You know, I think there is unfortunately some sexism involved in ufology. And I think that unless good ethics are imposed and that comes from the top down, that we're not going to see any change with regard to that. So, I mean, how do you feel? Do you think there's a lot of sexism in ufology for women? (0:40:18)

I think right now I have 45 investigators. I've got to have at least 20 females. And I think the majority of who's joining, at least I've seen in Pennsylvania, have been females. I mean, I don't think I'm getting as many men. The men that are here have been here for 20 years, you know. And I used to get that complaint at the conferences, too. (0:40:44)

And I was thinking about that the other day. You go to our Philly conference, I think there's eight speakers and there's four women. Linda Moulton Howe, Linda Zimmerman, Jen Stein, Rebecca Hardcastle-Wright. There may even be a fifth woman. But, you know, I try to mix it up. But there's probably more men than women as speakers out there, too, so it's hard to do. (0:41:03)

Yeah, and I definitely think, you know, other women that I've talked to have kind of experienced that same type of thing, where you get this, if you're a successful woman, that you have to be sleeping your way to the top, or different things. And there's that kind of attitude. And that happens not only in ufology, but in mainstream, you know, it's just a mainstream thing that happens. (0:41:30)

But to me, to come into this field and to be under attack like that, especially when it was coming from a place where I was working for MUFON, that was you know, to me, that's inappropriate. Well, actually, it's illegal, and it needs to stop. (0:41:48)

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But I think, you know, from my perspective, there is a lot of sexism. So I hope that changes at some point. Yeah, I don't know what happened, really, with you, so I can't really comment on that. And I don't think I really want to comment on sexism, you know? The next thing you know, people will be calling in saying things about me. Which I don't really care. (0:42:10)

They can, but I don't really care. Yeah, no, but it is interesting, and I think it's definitely important to have dialogues about that, because there are some very broken aspects to what goes on in ufology. And I often kind of think to myself, I wonder why other people don't take this seriously. It's because you have this type of behavior that I know wouldn't be taking place if you were in a work environment. (0:42:34)

Well, you know, I've seen it at work, and over the years, I've promoted more, at UPS, more females and minorities than white guys. But I've run into in locations where, I remember one female in particular, one of the best I've ever seen, and there was nothing but pushback from the guys, you know, and this was in central Pennsylvania, Harrisburg area. And I said, guys, she is one of the best investigators I've ever seen at UPS. And she went on to become a state security director up in New Hampshire for UPS. So, you know, some people are like that, you know. (0:43:09)

But, you know, when you run something, you've got to find the best people, and you have to promote the best people. And you know, I'll take the best, I don't care if they're green, gray, female, transgender, do the job, get results. I really don't care. Yeah, that's true. That's true, and that's interesting. And I know that you have got some really cool things that we wanted to talk about, and then we're going to take some callers later, but you've got your life full of paranormal experiences. (0:43:40)

You've told me about some of them, and wow, it is pretty incredible. So talk about the type of entities that you're beginning to associate with this. Well, here's the thing. You know, we're all drawn to this, and I don't know why I was drawn to this, because I had no interest in UFOs. I wrote a sci-fi book on the Mayan calendar and end-time prophecy that I started researching in the 90s, and I came across stuff that said, well, this UFO thing might be real. (0:44:13)

So that's how I got into UFOs. And 30% of people have a paranormal experience, 14% have seen a UFO, and 3% believe that they've been abducted. I think it's 2.7% actually. And so I've spent the last two years, and let me do this real quick, and I could take a whole two hours just on this part, but I want to tell you some things that I learned in the demonology side. And I think, you know, for people to investigate UFOs and talk about entities and interdimensional but not know anything about demonology, and I really didn't, you know, even though I was raised Catholic, but here's some things that people need to know. (0:44:50)

Ghosts. Ghosts are human spirits who have unfinished business. (0:44:57)

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Ghosts can't move large objects. They can hide your keys, maybe, move a piece of paper or something like that, but they're not powerful enough to do that other type of stuff. They're here because they're either lost or they want to make that last appearance to loved ones. You can't exercise a ghost. If a ghost is in your house, you could bring in a priest, you could bring the pope in, you cannot exercise a ghost out of your house, because they have free will. (0:45:27)

So I found that very interesting. Elementals. Elementals are spirits that are conjured up from nature or animals. So white witches, wiccans, they call upon elementals. Then you have inhuman spirits, which are really angels or demons. They've never lived as a human being. Black witches call upon inhuman spirits. They cannot fully materialize as humans. And you'll see in movies sometimes they're missing some body part. (0:45:57)

Their legs, you'll only see the head, you'll see the bust, there won't be any arms, that type of stuff. Now, there's something else called devils. And I thought the only devil was Satan, but there's not. And I'll get to that in a second. Devils are much, much more powerful. They can manipulate matter and fully materialize. And there are people who say that they can materialize UFOs and that's what people are seeing. (0:46:19)

I don't really agree with that, but if you could prove that to me, then that would be a different thing. So then one of the things I did, and interestingly, we did our conference in Erie two weeks ago, and Kathy Martin flew up, because I was talking to her about it, and one of my guys is one of her lead abduction people, George Doc Medich, who used to pitch for the Yankees and the Pirates and other baseball teams. (0:46:44)

It's so cool to have a Major League Baseball player. We went up to Erie, threw out the first pitch at the baseball game, and then they introduced him as a former baseball player and with the mutual UFO network. But one of the things I did was, from my reading, and I've read about 40 books in the last two years, is I put together the markers or the signs of demonic possession and of alien abduction. (0:47:12)

And it's a long list, so I'm only going to tell you the ones that are on both demonic and UFO, because it'll make you think. And it's about 40% of the markers are shared between the two, because then you start to think, well, what are we really dealing with? And like I said, it's a long list. So, the things that are shared by both, and I gave this list to Kathy Martin. They didn't have anything like this. (0:47:36)

And they may add it to the ERT team. But, seeing white smoke or a white orb is shared by both. Seeing a hairy creature is shared by both. Difficulty breathing, pressure on your chest, paralysis while awake, something slipping in and out of you is shared by both. (0:47:55)

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Vivid dreams, waking up drenched in sweat. Your dog becomes agitated or provoked. Waking up, you know, 3-4 in the morning. Feeling you're being watched. Black or a smoky shape or a shadow person. Loss of time or memory. Someone standing at the foot of your bed. Targeting someone in your family. Noises in your house. A personality change. Telepathic sounds or images in your mind. (0:48:30)

Losing faith, and maybe not going to church anymore. Car or electrical problems, you know, like the car stalling out. Autobody or levitating. Sexual contact. Possibly producing a hybrid. Incubus, gargoyle, reptilian. A hive mentality. And, if you watched that episode with Joe Jordan, being able to repel demonic or alien abduction through the use of Jesus Christ. His name. I found that hugely interesting. And there's a whole list here of the demonic only stuff. (0:49:08)

We don't have the time to go through that. Now, something else I learned is, you know, I would say to people like, what's an archangel? How's an archangel different than an angel? So, what I learned is there are nine different levels of angel. Your most powerful one is the seraphim. And that's what Lucifer was. That's pure light. Then you have the cherubim, which is the ones that guard the gates. You have thrones. (0:49:36)

They're the ones that carry out God's orders. Those are the top three. The middle three are dominions, they regulate the angels. Virtues, perform miracles. Powers, they combat the fallen angels. The bottom three are principalities, archangels, and angels, which are guardians of us. Now, the only problem is the demonic hierarchy is the same. They have nine levels. And think about this, there's nine levels. (0:50:09)

We're at level ten. Animals are level eleven. And these nine levels of angels and fallen angels are all more powerful than us. So, what I didn't know, I thought when people said the devil, I thought they were talking about Lucifer. Well, it turns out that those top three levels are all devils. So, every one of them are tremendously powerful. But they are the supervisors. (0:50:33)

The middle level are very strong demons, the dominions, virtues, and powers. They are the ones that possess people. And the bottom level, the principalities, really the angels and archangels who are demonic are the ones that cause the infestation and the oppression. That's what I had in my house. And the next two levels of principalities and powers would be the possession. So, I learned a lot in this area, and there's even more to go. (0:51:01)

Oh my gosh! And I bet that is making some people at MUFON really excited, too. Well, you know, I don't know. They haven't gotten an opinion from anybody on my work in demonology, but I'm sure I'll find out. But, you know, then there's a generational thing is what I believe I'm dealing with, you know, based on things my father did. (0:51:23)

But you can pass a generational sin down to three or four generations. (0:51:27)

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And at that point, they claim that family line for themselves if you don't break the chain. And I believe that's where I am. But a word that other... and cut me off whenever you're ready. Yeah, actually, it might be right about now. I just got to cut you off because I can hear that music. So... Oh, okay. We'll be right back. (0:51:45)

This is UFO Classified America Lukes, and we will see you. So go grab a cocktail, margarita, and we'll catch you in a minute. Listen very carefully. This is Houston. Say again, please. Houston, we've had a problem. This is UFO Classified Live every Friday night, 4pm Pacific, 7pm Eastern. Exclusively on the KCOR Digital Radio Network. The truth is out there, just waiting to be discovered. (0:52:13)

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UFO Classified UFO Classified No more plausible deniability. Fact. Fiction. Or the truth. You decide. And now, the new voice of the high desert. The hostess of UFO Classified. Erika Luks. Welcome back everybody. I am happy to be here as always. Every Friday night is such a treat for me. I get to talk to fascinating people and I appreciate all of you taking the time to listen. I have people from all over the world communicating with me. (0:54:13)

In fact, I just talked to somebody from Norway who has been tuning in and so it's really cool for me to see. And if you have any type of orange orb sighting, if you've got good videos, if you just want to find a network of friends, just find me on Facebook at UFO Classified. We have so many amazing people that I'm thrilled to work with. (0:54:35)

I really believe we are going to make a difference with regard to researching this and I believe it's important that we talk to everybody, find people from all over the world, communicate and most of all I feel it's definitely important to have ethics and boundaries and behave like adults. I know that's shocking even though sometimes it's not really fun to, especially on a Friday night. (0:55:01)

But I am here with John Venturi who is no stranger to controversy in ufology, which is kind of riddled with controversy anyway, but he has been on many different TV shows. (0:55:13)

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He's written, it'll be, gosh, eight books now? Is that what you were saying? Seven. Seven is coming out. It'll be coming out next week. If you're like Nick Redfern, that'll be coming out in a couple days. I don't know how he does it. He puts out three books a year. I put out one a year. I know. He's amazing. But that's what he does for a living, so he's really, really good about that. (0:55:35)

So what, you know, I have a question here from the chat room and it's Jeff who's asking the question, what is your direction in keeping ufology civil? Well, I try hard, but you know, you've got to stay away from Facebook when, you know, even when the Mufon page was there, man, you try to introduce a, you know, an idea, and I even do it on mine. (0:56:05)

I rarely now ever put my opinions out there anymore on Facebook because you cannot satisfy everybody and there's a whole group of people who are almost like professional disruptors that no matter what you say, they're going to argue with you and they never have to look you in the eye and look you in the face, so they can say whatever they want. (0:56:25)

They're all big men on Facebook. So unfortunately, you know, I tell you one of the best things that happened at the UFO conference in Erie two weeks ago, Friday night before the conference, we sat down after we went to the minor league baseball game, we had a round table discussion, and this was great. Nick Redfern, Kathy Martin, Dr. David Jacobs, Stan Gordon, and myself, and we talked about UFOs, interdimensional, malevolent entities, and Doc Medich was there too, and it was great. (0:56:55)

You almost have to do it in that type of forum. We should have done that in front of the crowd. It probably would have been the best segment of the conference, but, you know, keeping it civil, you've got to stay away from Facebook unfortunately. Yeah, and that is honestly, unfortunately, that is kind of the truth. I mean, I've, there have been some times when I've gotten into certain Facebook groups, and I just think, seriously? (0:57:15)

Are you kidding me? Because people do have, they feel that they have the right to say whatever they want to and then you can't look them in the face, like you were saying, and it's like, really? Okay. And plus they don't really research stuff. So it's quite interesting to me. And the things people believe, I mean, sometimes astounds me. And, you know, even if we get to it, you know, this malevolent entity thing that I experienced, you know, I tell people, and I'm sure they're laughing behind my back, they're rolling their eyes, they won't believe it's real. (0:57:53)

They think you're introducing religion. And I'm telling you, when I've experienced something, I know what's real. At least on this end of it. And you cannot make headway. (0:58:03)

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You know, I can give you examples of local people I've talked to. One group in Rotary, one guy at a bar while I was watching a UFC fight, clearly have a demonic entity attached to them from what they told me. They don't want to know about it. They don't want any advice. So it's almost like, you know, I say, you know what, my job is to save me and my kids, and I can't save the world. (0:58:27)

I'm going to try for a while to talk about this, tell people what's real, like I did with Joe Jordan on that show and some others. You know, it's going to be different than... and I do believe UFOs are real. But this I know is real. And I don't think anybody is interested. So hopefully that answers his question. Let me just throw a few more things out at you before we get to some other questions. Is that okay? Yeah, absolutely. (0:58:49)

Okay, so there are different types of events. Like I told you, the generational sin, it's in the Bible, it's real. And I was astonished to find out that the rules are, if they can attach to a family line for three or four generations, they can claim that line for themselves. Okay? And I think that's where I am right now, trying to break this chain. (0:59:12)

You know, my father did some things. He killed a guy, he had knife fights, he was in prison. There are things there that I'm convinced he had something attached to him. But they're not going to get my kids. So I'm the most determined human being you've ever met, and it's going to end with me one way or another. It's not getting my kids. (0:59:30)

There's a term that people don't use that they should be using in this field. People will say, oh, that's supernatural. There's a TV show on, Supernatural, which I love. But the correct term, supernatural means miracles, things performed by God and angels, positive things, healing. The term that should be used for all of the unexplained, negative, the word is preternatural. Unnatural acts like levitating, transforming, conjuring beings up, that's all preternatural. (1:00:07)

Ouija boards, seances, it's preternatural. I have never in my life heard that word. I saw it recently in two books I read, only because I knew the word, so I knew what was there. So I'm going to skip over the next part that I wanted to talk about regarding exorcism, because I want to get into what happened to me, and I'm going to go quickly, because this alone could take another hour. (1:00:33)

When I was a kid, I have always had some paranormal stuff happen. 1961, something grabs my feet in bed, right? 1969, out-of-body experiences for four nights in a row. Recurring dreams that turned out to be the house I live in right now. The view from the back door here when I came and looked at this house in 1997, was the dream I had as a six, seven, eight-year-old. Gray brick wall with a cemetery in the distance. (1:01:03)

I bought this house, and I know I'm never going to leave this house, but I dreamt this house when I was a kid. (1:01:07)

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1971, my grandmother passes away, and a couple of hours before we got the call that she died, I hear her voice in the hallway. 1973, the most lucid dream you ever want to experience, and I know it was a dream, encountering a demonic entity. At that same summer that that happens, my sister has an Annabelle doll experience that I just found out about now. (1:01:35)

She really refuses to talk about it, but a doll that walked, talked, moved in her room. Then, what happened, that's the pre-teen stuff, let's say. And then nothing happens until like 16 years later. 1988, I'm working with UPS, and I don't know if this means anything, almost like a final destination thing. I'm in Europe, and they want me to stay in Europe and move there, to Madrid and then London and stay for six years. (1:02:08)

My wife won't go. So, she's kind of pissed at me. I spent Thanksgiving in Germany, so I'm trying to get home a day early for Christmas. I was supposed to fly back December 22nd. I'm trying to change my flight to the 21st, and they want like 600 bucks, so I don't take the flight. The next morning, I get on the plane, we find out Pan Am 103, the flight I was trying to get on, blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland. And I don't know if that means anything, but I almost got on that flight. (1:02:35)

So, then what happens is, instead of living in Europe and being a really big shot at UPS, they punish me and send me to Oklahoma City as a punishment, because I turned down an international transfer after I was there for three months working, and I couldn't go because my wife wouldn't go. So, we go to Oklahoma in 1989-1990. We start here in footsteps upstairs in the house. (1:03:01)

Three footsteps, three times, each time louder. Then one night, I'm going to bed, and the whole way I hear a man's voice, it was an Indian chant. Okay, that's all not so bad compared to some of the other things. We move to New Jersey, right? All of a sudden now, I don't know what's attached to us, and my kids have told me things that they never told me years ago, but we move into this house. (1:03:29)

It's a beautiful house. I've always had beautiful houses because I've been successful from an early age. So, we move into this house. My family comes out, my parents. We're standing in the den, and the door to the garage is right there. You can hear the moving boxes sliding around the floor. And, you know, heavy boxes on cement. You know what that sounds like. (1:03:49)

My father says to me, John, what is that? I said, Dad, the boxes slide around the floor. He hears it, right? Other families over. My sister sees a black shadow thing moving across the ceiling. I end up getting divorced there. My wife's personality became... I used to joke that she got possessed. I really believe that now. She became somebody else. We got divorced. (1:04:13)

My daughter and then my girlfriend that ended up moving in afterwards would tell me that they would hear a rocking chair in the spare bedroom and a baby crying. (1:04:25)

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My sister saw the shadow across the ceiling. My girlfriend saw it. I saw it. One morning I wake up. In the middle of the night, there's a kid standing there at the foot of the bed. You know, about the same age as my son. I thought it was my son. I told him, get in bed. I put my arm around him. (1:04:43)

I got up in the morning and my girlfriend, Caroline, I said, where are the kids? She goes, they didn't sleep over last night. I was awake and it was real. Then my son telling me that when he would lay down at night, there would be a voice in the wall behind him, a male voice saying, I'm going to get you. He saw a creature, a hairy bigfoot-like creature walk across the hallway. (1:05:07)

And the cat saw it too because he said, Dad, the cat reacted. The cat turned and looked at it just when he looked at it. Then my daughter said one night, she went over there with her friends after they moved out of that house and I moved away. I'm living here in Pittsburgh. And she says she pulls up in front of the house with her friends, every light in the house went out. (1:05:25)

Right at the same time. So then I moved to, well I had already, I moved in 97 then to Pittsburgh and I'm divorced at this point. I'm writing my sci-fi novel about the Mayan calendar. And an interesting thing happens. I joined MUFON in 98. In 99, I attend my first symposium in DC, Northern Virginia. It's a cool experience. I'm there and I see this really attractive blonde come in. (1:05:55)

Very different looking woman. And I'm single. So I make sure at lunch I get behind her and I'm talking to her we have lunch together. I'm telling you and I didn't know a lot at the time if there was ever a hybrid that was this woman. The palest person you ever want to see. Grey, bloodshot eyes, just I don't know. But she was at the conference for one hour. (1:06:18)

She was at lunch for an hour and I never saw her again for the three day conference. So now I leave the MUFON symposium July 4th. I didn't stay for the fireworks. I come home. The next four nights are unbelievable. Out of body experience. I can't sleep. There is an absolute presence in my bedroom that's there. And I say to myself, why does this happen after a UFO conference? (1:06:44)

But I've had this happen things similar my whole life. So I can't say whether that's a door that opens, whether I picked up something there. I don't know. But I have that hairy creature on the side of my bed. I have this recurring dream. I've always had Dobermans. I have a Doberman right now, 108 pounds. He's a great guard dog. He bit me. (1:07:07)

He bit me. Oh dear. (1:07:09)

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Oh dear. I'll get to that too. Something happened. He's a totally different dog now, and I'm going to get to that. So I had this dream. I got this 95 pound Doberman. He's floating in the air with his legs out sideways. There's this kid poking him. I got two memories of the same kid. And I remember saying, stop poking the dog. (1:07:31)

The one memory, which is the one I wrote down, was the kid, he looked like a rat boy. His hair was slicked back, almost looked like a vampire, like a rat face, and he's poking the dog. I wrote it down because I started writing these things down, what was happening. And then later, a year later, as I thought about it, I had no memory of the rat boy. (1:07:55)

What I remembered was a kid with big bulging eyes, straggly hair. He had the gigantic Popeye forearms with the elbow. The bone was sticking out. He was the one poking the kid. And it was interesting, when I went back to my notes, when I decided to put this in my next book, I said, wow, there's my notes about the rat boy, nothing about this kid. (1:08:17)

So I had two memories of the same thing. And this went on for like four nights. I have an out-of-body experience. My girlfriend, she actually went on the UFO site, even though I had just joined MUFON a year earlier. She goes, John, do you realize that there was a UFO sighting at State College and one at Morgantown, West Virginia? Your house is right in line with that on July 4th of 1999. So that was an incredible experience. I asked David Jacobs, is this, the out-of-body experience in 1969 and 1999, is it an abduction? (1:08:56)

Because I'm kind of thinking hybrids here with the kids, with the woman I ran into. And he goes, no, it doesn't happen 30 years apart. And I said, well, why not? Why can't they tag you and come back every 30 years? And he goes, it just doesn't happen that way. It happens a lot, and it happens in a short window, but it doesn't happen once every 30 years. (1:09:14)

And I think he's right, because I don't think it was a UFO abduction. Now, it's Thanksgiving 2004. And my son recently says to me, Dad, do you realize half of all of the demonic things that have happened has happened when the three of us were together at Thanksgiving. And I said, Nolan, you're right. Because in the divorce agreement, I got the kids for Thanksgiving, and my wife got them for Christmas, because that's what she wanted. (1:09:38)

So I said, fine. So here we are, Thanksgiving 2004. My kids are over. We have a great day. We go to bed around midnight. My girlfriend's living with me. Different girlfriend this time. She's living with me at the time. Well, you know, I kind of got around. So she's living with me at the time. (1:09:57)

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Now, get this. It's midnight. I hear my son outside the bedroom door, right? So I don't say anything. So in the morning, my girlfriend, she works at a furniture store, so she had to leave like 9.30. She had to be at work. So I get up. I go into my bathroom. And she always used the bathroom in the hallway. (1:10:16)

As a matter of fact, her clothes were in the spare bedroom. She used the hallway bathroom, because she had so much stuff. So I said, you know what? The master bathroom is mine. So I go into the bathroom and brush my teeth. There are two hand and arm prints on the glass mirror. And I got a picture of it. (1:10:33)

As a matter of fact, I show it at this presentation I do now. I look at it. From elbow, I measure it. From elbow to fingertip, it's three inches longer than my forearm and hand. So that means I'm six feet. This has to be seven feet tall. I can't lean forward on the counter and put my elbow and hand where it put it, because I'm really not tall enough to get it to the top of the mirror. (1:10:55)

It has six fingers. And what you see on the forearm is two bones. You don't see any of the flesh. And there's two handprint, armprints crossing, like a cross, you know, an X, on the glass. So I asked my girlfriend, did you put that there? She goes, no. And then I said to my son, what were you doing outside our bedroom door at midnight? He looks at me, and you know, my son at that time was like 20. He was 20 years old at that point. He says to me, Dad, I heard you in the hallway outside my bedroom door at midnight. (1:11:31)

So we both heard something in the hallway, and it wasn't either one of us. So that's interesting. Now, October of 2007, my father passes away. I'm in bed. I'm exhausted. I'm laying down. I see this flash of light. It's nighttime. I see a flash of light only in my left eye, not in my right eye. It was the blackest black tunnel with the most brilliant electricity pouring out of it like a funnel, right? (1:11:58)

And I feel something put its hand on my arm and rubbed my arm. I believe that that was my father as he was moving on. Okay, now it's September of 2009. I wake up at 5 in the morning. There's a guy standing in the hallway. He's 7 feet tall. He's down the end of the hallway. I'm looking. The attic door is open. (1:12:23)

It's a finished attic. And there's a light on up in the attic so I can see the silhouette of this thing. It's not human. It has about a 12-inch waist, long spindly arms like Slenderman, but it reminded me of the prawn from District 9, and it had a square head. (1:12:36)

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My impression was it was wearing a helmet, right? It's there for a good 20 seconds. I crawl to the foot of the bed. It's standing there, right? I should have went over the footboard, down the hallway. I didn't. I got out of bed, put the light on, and it was gone. So now, April of 2010, my kids are over. We go to the JDRRF gala because I'm on the board of juvenile diabetes. (1:13:00)

We get home. We go to bed around midnight. About 4 in the morning, my daughter bursts into my bedroom door. Dad, Dad, you're not going to believe what happened. You're not going to believe what happened. I know you're not... So I said, tell me. She goes, I went downstairs to get a bottle of water. I couldn't sleep. She goes, I had to go in the basement because there were none in the kitchen. She goes, I go downstairs. (1:13:20)

There's something standing behind me. It's breathing on my shoulders. I can feel it. She goes, I go upstairs. I go to bed. As soon as... she says, I'm awake, Dad. I lay down. This thing gets on top of me and just absorbs into my body. She goes, it was the most painful thing. I'm paralyzed. She says, I look up. I can move my eyes. (1:13:41)

I see shadow people swirling around the ceiling. There's a shadow man standing in the corner. She says, it pulls out. It does it again. And then she says, while it's in her, she hears like 40 different voices in her head. And she says, the one standing in the doorway says, when you're done with her, I want to try out the other two. (1:14:04)

Meaning my son and his fiance in the other room. She didn't make that wording up. I knew she was telling the truth. And I think that's what these beings do when we're sleeping. And maybe the cause of dreams and nightmares, they go in our bodies to feel alive. So that was April of 2010. Now, Thanksgiving again of 2013. My son and his fiance are over. (1:14:28)

I'm putting... I have a home theater projector on the ceiling, nine foot screen, stadium seating. I'm putting it on. I'm standing by the receiver. My son, the projector's on. He goes, Dad, what's that? We look up in the bright light of the projector. It's very intense. We see something snake across the ceiling. It was like a snake. Like a fish. (1:14:50)

It's just a snake going across the light. We can see it about three feet long. Really didn't have a form, but something moved in front of... and this is one of these beings. And again, that was Thanksgiving of 2013. So, now it's... These things happen with a few years in between, and most of them, except for 1999, were one-time events. So now we get to June of 2014. And I've got to just say, before you go into the June 14th show, we're actually coming to a break. (1:15:23)

So pretty quick, but wow, these are fascinating stories, and how frightening for your family. (1:15:31)

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And I tell you, the detail that I say at my conference when I give this presentation... I had two people give me their blessed rosaries at the end of the conference. They're hanging on my bedpost right now. There's so much more I could say, but I want to tell you two more things real quick. As soon as we get back from break. (1:15:47)

Yeah, we will do that, because we've got to go out pretty quickly, but once again, I am Erika Lukes. This is UFO Classified. Thanks for tuning in tonight. And next week, I will be interviewing Rebecca Hardcastle Wright. That's going to be a great show on exopolitics. We've got one last break, and we will be back. This is UFO Classified with Erika Lukes. Erika Lukes. The phone lines are open now at 702-425-9230. That's 702-425-9230. Worldwide callers to Skype name KCOR Radio. More UFO Classified with Erika Lukes on the KCOR Digital Radio Network after this. (1:16:37)

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You're listening to... You're listening to... UFO Classified with Erica Lukes. Where the truth isn't hidden beneath the black lines of a sharpie. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. To be on with Erica, call 702 425-9230. That's 702 425-9230. Worldwide callers use Skype name KCOR Radio. Share your thoughts on the show on Twitter by using hashtag KCOR. Or head over to the live chats at KCOR Radio dot com. (1:20:27)

And now, your host of UFO Classified, Erica Lukes. I am very sad to say that this is the last segment. I don't know how time goes by so quickly, but thank you. Good night. This has been a great interview, and I wanted to say, again, thank you. There's so many people listening, and it just makes me happy that everybody from around the world, this is very, very cool. (1:20:54)

Thank you, everyone, for tuning in. I could do a third hour, I'm telling you. But, hi, are we ready? Yes, we are ready. We are back. And I have before you, I just, really quickly, I've got one question, then we'll go back into your stories, because oh, my lord, this is really interesting, but we have a question here. Def is asking in the chat room, what are your thoughts on the Todd Seas case? (1:21:18)

All right. You know, I believe that there is something to the Todd Seas case. Now, Fred Saluga has done an in-depth investigation of that, and he actually contacted the police chief, the FBI, all of that. He thinks it's just a drug thing. No, no, no, no, no, don't bark. Come on. You don't want to get him angry. That's your hellhound right there. That's my protector. (1:21:42)

So Todd Seas, I say Todd Seas is a real UFO case because they found his shoe up in the tree, and, you know, they looked in the area and then found him there the following day. Now, like I said, Fred, you know, Fred Saluga says that he don't think it is. I think it is. There were people who saw a UFO that night. (1:22:06)

And, you know, you get the Butch Witkowski presentation, which I think is a little exaggerated, but I do think Todd Seas is real. Okay, cool. Thank you. So now let's get back into all the demonic stuff. Well, now it gets different. Now it changes. I'm in June 6th of 2014. Now, June 6th is the 20th anniversary of my divorce, which I am convinced that they caused. (1:22:33)

They influenced my wife. Her whole personality changed. So, it's like I'm texting people saying, Hey, my 20th anniversary. I'm taking myself out to dinner now. It's my 20th anniversary of divorce. The next night, things change. I'm watching a baseball game in my TV room. My dog's there. He lays across my legs. It's in the home theater room. All of a sudden, there's a the biggest bang you ever want to hear on the wall. (1:23:01)

The dog looks. I look. (1:23:04)

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The picture lifts off the wall. I got two Indian headdresses on both sides of the picture. The feathers both float to the side. Actually, right before that, what happened was it was 7.15 when the baseball game starts. I go upstairs. I open the attic door because the skylight's there. Cool air comes in. So, in the bathroom, it stinks. I thought the dog did his business. (1:23:29)

I go in there. I go, what is this? It smelled like a rotting corpse. I'm telling you, Erica, I put the fan on in the bathroom. I went downstairs. I have two other levels. I checked the bathrooms in the basement. The first floor, they're fine. But the upstairs stinks of death. And then that thing in the wall that I just told you about hit the wall. (1:23:53)

Then we go upstairs. The game's over. I go to bed and the dog trots down the hallway, looks up the stairs and goes ballistic. He sees something at the top of the attic stairs. And I know when a dog sees something and when he's just barking, he goes ballistic. So, he comes back. He lays down and he sleeps at the foot of my bed. (1:24:17)

There's a little chair there. He sleeps on that at the footboard. I lay down. In my bathroom, the loudest bang you ever want to hear. The dog, I see his head and my head turn at the same time. So, something happened and this was different because of the smell. I asked some of my guys that are ghost hunters, and I got a lot of them in my group, and they said, John, if you're smelling death, a rotting animal, a rotting corpse, you're dealing with a demonic entity. Now I start to get a little worried. And what I do is I start doing my research and looking into this. That's two years ago. (1:24:51)

Now, nothing happens, right? Actually, what happens is, get this, a couple of months later, I meet this woman. I tell her what happened. She comes over. She goes, John, I'm coming right over. She has her own holy water. She goes room to room, blesses the house, knows what to say, all of that. That's my guardian angel looking out for me. And so now I go almost a year and a half, nothing else happens, right? (1:25:15)

We get to, again, Thanksgiving of 2015. Now, my daughter is married, living in Wilmington. My son, out of the blue, decides to move here a couple of months earlier with his wife, and they live about 10 miles from me. So my daughter's coming up from Thanksgiving, and she's coming up five nights. I've assumed she's staying here for at least two of them and then going to her brother's, right? (1:25:38)

So, I go, it's Monday of Thanksgiving week. I go upstairs to go to bed. I look down the hallway. My daughter's bedroom door is wide open 100%. And you've got to turn the handle to open that door. (1:25:50)

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So I close it. Tuesday, I go upstairs, go to bed, I look down the hallway. Her bedroom door is open 100%. These things were sending me a message that they were waiting for my daughter to come. So I close the door. Wednesday morning before her flight, she calls me and says, Dad, I'm not staying with you. I'm staying at Nolan's house, her brother. (1:26:10)

I was a little annoyed. I said, you're coming up five nights, you're not staying here once? So now it starts to escalate. Every night when I go to bed, something is pricking me like a needle hitting me in my leg. I would jump and say, what is that? I lay down, something stabs me in my scalp twice. (1:26:27)

I had to get up and look in the mirror. I said, man, did I just get stung by a wasp? There's all kinds of tapping and scratching sounds in the walls. I'm talking all night for weeks. You can't sleep, but sleep deprivation is what it is. Then, what happens is, one night was really bad. The creaking, the noises, the banging. I'm telling you, the creaking above me was like, take a soda can and crush it. (1:26:54)

I thought the ceiling got crushed. So I do what the woman did. I command it in the name of Jesus Christ to leave and all of that. It stops. So I lay down, I close my eyes. Now you can't sleep when this stuff's going on. You're waking up every 20 minutes like I was in 1999. But I didn't know it back then. I open my eyes and I am in pitch black. (1:27:16)

I look around. I sit up and I look and I say, wow, that's the darkest I've ever seen it in my bedroom. I say, well, that's fine. I love sleeping in the dark while the noises start. And Erica, I'm telling you, the banging, there's an unnatural movement in the ceiling, like a body being dragged across the ceiling. The crunching sound of the ceiling, the creaking. (1:27:37)

You know, I can feel it in my spine, in the back of my head, in my soul. My soul was afraid. I wasn't afraid. I wanted to show itself because I'm going to hit it with an uppercut. My soul was afraid because it knows what these things are. So again, I command it to leave, but I add to what I say, if you disobey Jesus Christ, you will go to the lake of fire now instead of at the end of days. (1:28:03)

All of a sudden, all the noises stop, and I see light. Moonlight coming in my windows. Erica, for about four seconds, I can see a veil of blackness lifting from my bedroom. I actually see the bottom of it, where there's moonlight coming in, and the top where it was pitch black, and I see it going up, and lights coming in all of my windows and everything. (1:28:27)

When I was laying down, I also, in my left eye only, before I did that, was, I saw three shadow people flying around the ceiling fan in counter-clockwise order. Right? So, I do this, but it's not gone. (1:28:45)

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Every couple of nights, I hear it. I hear the movement in the ceiling, the tapping. I mean, I'll get up in the morning and walk to the doorway, because my dog now is sleeping outside my bedroom, because he bit me a couple of times while this stuff was going on. And all of a sudden, in the wall, right there at the doorway, you'll hear the tapping. (1:29:06)

It starts as a vibration and it increases, increases, until it becomes a tapping on the wall. I tap back, it stops. Then it starts again. Right? So then what happens is, I go down, a couple of days later, I'm letting my dog out through the basement. I always let him out into the backyard through the basement. I'm almost at the sliding glass door. (1:29:23)

A hand puts itself on my head, my forehead and my scalp, and goes right across my head. I mean, I jump and I say, whoa, you can't do that! Because I've never had anything, other than the pinching, poking, I haven't had any, like, grab me or throw me or anything. I said, wait, you can't do that! Kind of thinking about it, I said, John, there was nothing negative about that. (1:29:46)

It was three large fingers, but they were spongy, like they didn't fully materialize. You know, something... I said, you know what, that's the way you would put your hand across a kid's head, across your dog. It was almost like, I believe it was a blessing, an approval that I'm fighting back against this darkness that thinks for some reason I opened up a door or it's a generational sin. (1:30:09)

And then I also realized is that, you know, in talking to Joe Jordan, who had all those cases where people repelled UFO abductions through the name of Jesus Christ, I repelled this entity, whatever it was, with his name, like you're supposed to do. Erica, I saw a miracle. When that veil of darkness lifted, that was my guardian angel, Michael Jesus, somebody intervening, and that thing went up, and they're standing there, I can't see them, and they're repelling these malevolent interdimensional entities, which is really what I want to call it, because when you say they're fallen angels and demons, people roll their eyes. (1:30:50)

But I feel like I saw a miracle. Now, it's not gone. Like, twice a week I hear it, you know, I'll get up to go to the bathroom, the wall starts tapping, it's the freaking weirdest thing you ever want to hear. So, I actually, in December, I took two trips. I went to Miami, I went to Myrtle Beach, and it never happens when I'm away on vacation. (1:31:08)

I go to Myrtle Beach in April to see my daughter, she's down there in Wilmington, and the last night I hear the banging and the tapping in the timeshare. I've never had that happen before. So, I get home, now I said, you know what? I get epiphanies. (1:31:26)

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I'm writing a book. I said, you're writing a book called The Ufologist, The Haunting of John Ventry. You're putting all of this into the book, everything you've learned about demonology, why you think the gray alien abduction is demonic and not ET. So, I'm writing that. I get this, I get home. I'm not home 40 minutes, I'm in my house, right? Right at that moment, I ordered my headstone a year before. (1:31:54)

It's a 6 foot tall holy bible. It's actually a bible. Wow! I'm telling you, 14 grand. I ordered this thing. It's the most religious thing you ever want to see. They just installed it. I live next to a cemetery. They just finished. I saw the three guys in the cemetery. I didn't know who they were. They didn't tell me they were installing it, right? (1:32:12)

I go to my office, which looks into the backyard. I look out. Half my backyard burst into flames. The guys are running frantically in the cemetery. They're calling the fire department. I run inside and call the fire department. I got pictures of it, Erica. Okay, you've got to send them to me. It never entered my yard. It stayed at the fence line on the other side of the fence line. (1:32:36)

And I can prove it. The fire department came here. It's about 200 feet long. I have two acres. It goes from the cemetery all along my fence line, and it burst into flames. So I'm saying, okay, a brush fire at the same moment that my headstone was being delivered, an hour after I got home, and I'm writing a book to out these demonic entities and what this really is. (1:32:57)

I don't think that that's a coincidence. And also, for a year and a half, I've had a family of cardinals, these red cardinals, flying into my windows. People come over and say, what's that? I say, look, you see these birds? They fly into my windows. From that day, they have not hit my windows once. Yikes! I'm telling you, this is real. So then, I look at some other things, and I say, you know what? Talking to Nick Fredfern, he started to change my opinion on the alien abduction thing. (1:33:30)

And I really have been looking into this. The first gray ever drawn was in 1918. It was conjured up, and now the conjuring is an elemental. It's a non-human spirit. It was conjured up by Aleister Crawley. You can look it up. He called it lamb. So, the first gray ever seen was conjured up by a demonologist and a cult Satanist. He called himself the Antichrist. So now I start thinking. (1:33:59)

Then Nick will tell you about the Collins elite, the branch of the CIA that investigated the paranormal and UFOs after 1952 when they were over D.C. They concluded there are no UFOs. It's all occult, demonic activity. Then you get Hitler. I mean, come on. You're telling me Hitler didn't have a demonic entity attached to him? (1:34:23)

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Well, he was very into the metaphysical, the occult. All of that. Now get this. 1950. From 1950 on, 80% of all the serial killers have happened from 1950 on. Maybe it's just the way you report them, right? 1975, you get those cattle mutilations. Those cattle mutilations are ritualistic mutilations to satisfy some sort of deity or take those organs and blood for something, and it's not good. So you think they're human? (1:34:54)

No, the cattle mutilations were used and if you believe the Collins elite story, we used those cattle mutilations for some sort of ritual sacrifice to some ancient deity which is demonic because the Collins elite's goal was to trick the demonic into giving us their powers or using them against our enemies to assassinate people and use their abilities but trick them. (1:35:23)

And if you think you can trick these things, you're crazy. And you really gotta talk to Nick. I can do a show on the Collins elite and I can tell you about that. So you get the cattle mutilations. Now, here's the kicker. From 1990, prior to 1990, the Vatican will tell you there were six exorcisms a year on average. From 1990 on, there are 1,300 a year. (1:35:45)

Something has changed on this planet in the fabric. I'm telling you there's an escalation here, you know, even with the wars. World War I, World War II, the killing. The Foo Fighters, in my opinion, are these entities like orbs, like your orange orbs, they were white orbs, but these are these beings in their energy form. That's what the Foo Fighters were. They were enjoying the carnage is what it is. (1:36:11)

So, you got this complete change that really that's taken place in our society. And there's been I fully believe there are UFOs in life and space and they've been here. And I can give you examples of which ones were real and I believe the grey late night alien abduction is not alien. Did you know in 1997 Lord Hill Norton, who was a big UFO I mean he's a big guy in England he wrote something called the UFO Concern Report which concluded UFOs were satanic, they're not from space. (1:36:46)

You get Kathleen Turner, Joe Jordan, Guy Malone, L.A. Mazzulli, Arthur C. Clarke all say these things are demonic. Hynet, Valet... I don't know if Valet... Interdimensional. Right, interdimensional, right. Keel, Mack, those four all say it's interdimensional and not from space. I don't know. I believe that they're... and I can give you a lot of examples. The 1973 UFO wave up Paso Gula, up to Mississippi, across Pennsylvania where we had tons of cases. (1:37:19)

Well, clearly E.T. They were here for six weeks on a scientific mission to get soil, animal, human samples. That's exactly what they did. They were seen with spacecraft and beings in uniform. They were E.T.'s. And I can give you a ton of examples like that. But what happens now, really in the last 20-25 years, whatever, you look at this gray alien abduction that comes out at night in the corner of your bedroom and paralyzes you and does all those markers that I reviewed earlier that the demonic entity does, I'm convinced that's what that is. (1:37:56)

And that's my opinion on that. (1:37:58)

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How does Kathy Martin feel about that? Well, she said, you know, John, there has not been a good abduction case since 2013. They've kind of stopped. And, you know, Dr. David Jacobs was there also and he said the same thing. He said the program has stopped. He differs with me, and he'll give his presentation, which he's done at two of my meetings conferences, is he says it's all alien abduction, creating hybrids who now are hubrids that fit into our society, like that woman I met in 1999, I'm convinced was a hubrid. (1:38:37)

And he says it's all E.T. Now, he also said to us he's never come across a malevolent entity. And, you know, Kathy, Nick Redfern, myself, Stan Gordon, we almost fell out of our chair. How could you never have come across a regressive hypnosis with a negative malevolent entity? We've all come across that. But I agree with Jacobs' research, his findings. I question whether that is really an E.T. hybrid program or it's not the Nephilim and what has gone on on this planet before. (1:39:14)

These things, this isn't new to our generation. This has happened for as long as we've been on this planet. You can call it mythology, you can call it made-up stuff, Atlanta, you can call it... but this has been here as long as we have. And what I find is people don't have a big... they don't have the scope of the entire field. I didn't. I'm writing sci-fi books on the Mayan calendar, and then I learn about UFOs, and I think I know a lot. (1:39:43)

And now I learn about demonology, and I know a lot more. I don't know a lot about cryptozoology, but I'm telling you, when Kiel and Arthur C. Clarke and some of these others say... and Kathleen Turner and those... not Kathleen, what was her name? Carla. Carla Turner. Carla Turner, yeah. Kathleen Turner was an actress. They had the full scope, and they understood that this has been around a long time. (1:40:08)

I think we're dealing with two things here. And I have come across so many people recently that I talked to, and they said, let me tell you what happened. And I'm telling you, Erica, these people have an entity attached to them. They tell me it's there, but they feel special. And I'm saying, you've got to get some... Oh, dear. They think it's special. This one guy telling me there's two black shadow people in his room. (1:40:32)

The smaller one's pushing the other one away. And he says, well, it's protecting me. I said, it's not. It's claiming you. It's not protecting you. But how do we know, though? That's the thing. How do we know? We don't. From the research, every exorcism, they ask specific questions. I always wondered that. Like, what do you care? What is the name of the demon? (1:40:52)

There's a reason. They know what demons fall into what hierarchy, those nine levels. (1:40:59)

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They ask all kinds of questions so they can figure this thing out. My kids go to this New Age churches, non-denominational. They have bands with big screen TVs and stuff. And I go too, and I consider it religious entertainment, but I still twice a month go to the Catholic Church because that religion goes straight back to Jesus. They endorse the International Association of Exorcists, and they do confession. You have to go to confession. Otherwise, what has shown up on every exorcism is that demon knows the unconfessed sins of the other people in the room. You've seen that in movies. (1:41:39)

So it's important. And I'm telling you, the Roman Catholic faith, you have to have a connection to that. You don't have to go every week. I go twice a month. But I'm telling you, this is real. And that's where I'm at right now. I know UFOs are real too, but I'm wondering how much of this do we have misidentified? How much of this... you know, people want this disclosure. (1:42:01)

I went to Bassett's congressional hearings there in D.C. I was sitting there. You know, disclosure, disclosure, we want disclosure. Let me tell you something. The day I hear this disclosure, I'm probably going to cry because I know this is the start of the end of days. I think when they show up like Independence Day, it's a huge deception. Those greys are not from another planet. This is the story that has been told to us, that's been prophesied, that's going to happen. (1:42:26)

I believe it 100% because I saw a miracle in my bedroom. I know the Jesus-Satan thing is 100% real. You know, and I don't doubt that. I really, really don't. And nobody wants to hear this. Nobody wants to hear this. Well, you know, that is pushing the boundaries. So what do I do? Like my son, my son is very upset with me. (1:42:49)

He says to me, Dad, get out of this. Quit the UFO thing. Quit MUFON. Don't talk about it anymore. Don't do conferences. Don't make any more books. And I said, you know, Nolan, Joe Jordan told me the same thing. If you want this to end, don't do it. Then get out. Get out 100%. Say your blessings. But I'm not going to do that. (1:43:09)

I'm not putting my head in the sand like the Apostles. They could have just went home. I totally get that, but I think that there is this demonic element to this, but I think there is also something else that isn't demonic. And I think we have to be very careful about instilling a lot of fear in people because at the end of the day, we really don't know. (1:43:34)

And I think there are lots of different things that are interacting with us. We're beginning to have that capability of understanding. And so we have to research all of it without bias. I agree that the UFO thing is real. I can give you, like I said, examples like 1973. But I talked to other people I know who are into this metaphysical, this universal consciousness. (1:43:56)

And I said, who do you think the source of this is? Why does this thing only attack Christianity and Jesus? (1:44:04)

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I don't believe that. I don't believe that. But you know what? We're going to have to have you back because this is just getting good. We are out of time, so tell us where you're going to be next really quick because we've got one minute. Well, I'm writing my seventh book called The Ufologist. You can go to johnventry.com to get my stuff. (1:44:27)

I think my books are very, very detailed and I put a lot of effort in. They're fast-paced and moving. Our conferences are at mufanpa.com. We've got the Philly and Pittsburgh coming up in the fall. Great lineup. Fredman, David Jacobs. Awesome. And I will put that stuff up, but we've got to go out. Thanks, John, for being here so much. I will keep you posted on all of John's adventures. (1:44:49)

I'm Erika Lukes. Thanks for listening. Send me questions to ufoclassified.com. Next week, Rebecca Hardcastle writes. Stick around for a great ladies' night. This is UFO Classified. Live every Friday night 4 p.m. Pacific, 7 p.m. Eastern. Exclusively on the KCOR digital radio network. The truth is out there, just waiting to be discovered. And now, if you will, accompany me on a journey to the future. (1:45:24)

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