And, uh, you made a list based on, uh, you know, we talked about Meldrum's list before the break, but you made a list based on some of the stuff from Sasquatch Canada. And the first thing you start off with is the silence, which certainly can be the sign of, uh, an apex predator being in the area.
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But, uh, it also matches up very nicely with Jenny Randall's Oz Factor. Oh yeah. I mean, uh, you know, and again, I will stress, um, it's very much the case that if you have an apex predator, which Sasquatch would certainly qualify as, um, given what I've learned about these critters that, uh, you know, the sounds in the, uh, in the area will tend to, uh, to, to be dampened, you know, the critters in the area go into hiding basically.
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Um, but, uh, when we start talking about the silence, what I call the silence, um, that's not anybody's official designation. It's kind of what I decided to call it because it's, it's such a, um, it's such a factor in so many different cases, uh, across the paranormal field. Um, it wires into, um, something that Jenny Randall's dubbed the Oz Factor. Um, she was doing a, uh, Jenny Randall's a UFO researcher in Great Britain, um, UK. Um, she was doing an investigation, um, at a factory where a, uh, security guard had had a very classic, you know, brilliant lights, you know, structured craft UFO sighting.
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Um, and she noticed that, uh, in his description of this event, um, some things, uh, were, uh, seemed to be sort of precursors or things that went along with, uh, the phenomena appearing to him. Um, you know, one of those, those things is, is a feeling that something's going to happen. Um, and then there's, then there's the silence, which we'll talk about here in a minute.
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And then there's also time distortion, uh, where people will believe that a long period of time has passed and it was actually a short period or vice versa.
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Yeah. Um, and of course the, the biggest time distortion is what people call missing time now.
Um, but in this case, she talks about how there is this phenomena that, that she discovered that was very common to UFO sightings, where people would talk about, uh, how everything just became quiet. And it was like, uh, they suddenly had stepped into a space where all the sound was muffled and it became almost completely silent.
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Even if there were things going on around them, uh, they couldn't really hear what was happening. This silence descends and you see this, uh, a lot in, in, uh, Sasquatch cases too, where the person's walking through the woods, they have a feeling they're being watched and then suddenly this silence descends on them. And, you know, there's a very definite feeling of, um, you know, I stepped out of, uh, you know, normal reality.
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Yeah. You know, if you're a Carlos Castaneda fan, one of, in his books, he's come, uh, you know, he's constantly saying things like, suddenly I entered a state of non-ordinary reality.
Right. You know, um, and that's very much the sensation that people have. There's this silence that descends and they have this feeling that, you know, they're not in Kansas anymore, basically.
Um, and you see this a lot in, uh, UFO cases as Randall's points out, but then if you start to do your research in, uh, in paranormal lore across the board, you see it in Sasquatch cases.
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Um, I haven't noticed it so much in dog man cases, but I'm sure that that happens as well.
Um, you certainly see it in a lot of, again, UFO cases, um, and other, uh, you know, we see it too in, in, uh, in, in the poltergeist phenomena. So, you know, um, there's, there's that other, uh, there's another one of those connections.
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You know, you have these class B encounters where people are saying, you know, I was walking through the woods. I was taking a hike. Everything was great. The bluebirds were singing, blah, blah, blah. And all of a sudden everything went dead quiet. Yeah. And this is usually a precursor to something more happening. Um, and then you have the same thing happening in poltergeist cases where sometimes, uh, the people who are for one of a better term victims of these kinds of hauntings, uh, actually have the experience of feeling watched.
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They'll have that feeling of muffled sound before all hell breaks loose, basically. Um, and things start moving around their house and so forth. Um, so again, you know, you see the connection there, but you have to actually back up enough to see the connection.
Right. And, um, have you ever had the experience before of that Oz effect?
Um, let me think. I have, um, in, um, well, let's see, what's the best way to explain this?
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I've had it in, um, uh, magical workings. Oh, okay. Okay. Basically where, um, I've created sacred space and, uh, that effect is sort of just descended on, on the area. Um, I've had people comment on it, um, when I've been doing work with other people that sometimes everything gets really quiet. Um, and you can't hear anything until after you, you break out of that, uh, break out of that sacred space.
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You take that sacred space down. Um, which, which suggests that it could also be an altering of consciousness that creates that, that sort of thing, which would also go along with being able to generate more energy for something to, to work with.
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Yes. Yeah. I have to wonder if it doesn't have something to do with your brainwave state.
Yeah. You know, if it's not a sudden shift of your brainwaves into another, uh, another level of consciousness, you know, cause we wander around, we're all beta most of the time and we're thinking and we're doing it and we're doing all this stuff.
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And, you know, even if you sit down and, uh, you know, you're daydreaming about your favorite, um, TV show or something that alters your brain state.
Right, right.
Now let's suppose that you're walking along, you're out in the woods, la la la, the blue birds are singing and everything is happy and da da da da. And suddenly you enter, oh, this is another place where I've seen the silence.
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I'll talk about that in a minute. Um, and suddenly you enter, you know, an energetic area of some kind and your brainwaves shift, you know, say you drop into an alpha bordering on theta state. That would tend to put you into what I think of as the silence because your mind is suddenly gone. Oh, wait, there's something I need to pay attention to that is not external, it's internal.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's, that's entirely possible. The other time that I've experienced the silence, I, sometimes I have to talk about things before I remember.
Sure. Yeah. Um, I, um, I lived in Arizona for over a decade and, uh, I spent a good bit of time hiking there and I had occasion to hike in the Superstition Mountains, which is one of those areas of high strangeness. Yeah. Um, in the, uh, in the Apache, uh, lore, it was the home of the, the Enahin, their, their thunder gods.
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Um, and there are places in the Superstition Mountains you probably just don't want to go. Um, I was out, um, walking one of the regular trails. I was actually on a trail.
Um, so I wasn't like bushwhacking or anything, but, um, you know, I got off the beaten trail a little bit and I wandered into a canyon and I took about two steps into this canyon and suddenly it's, in my perception, it got darker and I had that experience of the silence around me. And I also had a very definite experience that I wasn't welcome there.
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Now, unlike some Defy, um, I said, okay, thank you very much for letting me know.
And I took two steps backwards and I turned around and I walked away from that area.
And as soon as I got out of the canyon, everything went back to normal.
Yeah. So, you know, that's, uh, you know, if I had, you know, pushed my way into that area, I rather suspect that I would have had a very frightening experience.
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Maybe, or maybe it just would have gotten more intense and then just gone away. Cause that's, that's what's happened when I've done that stuff. I mean, it's hard to know.
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Yeah. But, uh, you know, I mean, I, I was like walking along and, you know, when, when I have an experience like that, I take it as a, as a sign to, to say, okay, well, maybe this is not the best place for me to be because this energy is not harmonic with my energy.
So I'm going to go somewhere else where I'm welcome.
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Yeah. Um, but yeah, so I have had that experience. Um, you know, it just took me a minute to remember.
Yeah. I've had it quite a bit, but I'll, maybe I'll talk about that if we do a Patreon, cause I'd like to get your thoughts on maybe some of that. Um, so in your list, that includes sounds of movement in the brush, which again is something you would expect an animal to, to make, but is totally something a poltergeist can do.
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Cause they'll make sounds like in the walls and stuff. They'll make sounds in the walls. You'll hear footsteps. You'll hear things clomping up and down the stairs. Um, you know, I mean, they're, it's one of the classic signs of poltergeist slash haunting activity. Um, you know, so if you take that, you translate it outdoors, what's going to happen when that forces is wandering around the woods, it's going to make bipedal footsteps.
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It's going to have branches breaking. You're going to have all this stuff going on that would indicate to you that there was something in the woods with you.
Yeah. And then you have heavy, supposedly bipedal footsteps, which again, poltergeists definitely do footsteps.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Just harking back to what I just said, it's just, it's just a classic sign of poltergeist activity.
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You know, how many times have you heard about, uh, you know, haunting where, you know, one of the signs was somebody clomping up and down the stairs.
I mean, it's just, it's a classic, classic paranormal thing. And, you know, if people on that side, on the Sasquatch side of things were looking at, you know, these paranormal phenomena, they'd see that.
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But, um, you know, of course it has to be a physical creature because they're not ready for that yet, I guess. Right. Right. And then the last thing, of course, is structures and nests, as well as suspension of items and trees.
Now, the, the interesting thing about this is, uh, you know, I don't think anybody's actually seen a Sasquatch making these things, first of all.
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Um, secondly, when we go to, you know, and one of the reasons that people say, oh, well, it must be Sasquatch is because these things tend happen in areas where people have seen these creatures.