I think one of the most convincing cases that you write about involves the great Swiss psychiatrist, Carl Jung. Yes. Oh my gosh, yes. Yes, this was from, okay, this is an interesting story. (00:10:39)

So I want to take my time a little bit with it, and it hasn't been well reported yet, so I'm really happy I got to cover it in my new book, The Mandela Effect in Society. So it starts in 1932, I believe, when Dr. Carl Jung was visiting Ravenna, Italy. He was there to be a sightseer and tourist, but he especially wanted to Italy. (00:11:02)

He was there to be a sightseer and tourist, but he especially wanted to visit the Baptistry of the Orthodox. There we go. It's not a place I've been to yet myself, but when he was there with a friend, Tony Wolfe, he remembered something quite remarkable and stunning. Actually, several details that he was apparently talking about with Tony Wolfe while he was there. First of all, there apparently talking about with Tony Wolfe while he was there. (00:11:20)

First of all, there was a very special blue light inside the building. Secondly, there were, in this octagonal space, there were four prominent six-by-eight-foot mosaics, which are made of tile, and they were huge, and each one dedicated to a certain image of a baptism. One of them was Saint Peter being saved by God. Another one was the Israelites in their rush through the Red Sea, and they arrived safely, but water was involved there. One was the baptism of Jesus Christ himself, and then one was was involved there. (00:11:59)

One was the baptism of Jesus Christ himself, and then one was the leprosy guy. I can't remember his name. The Syrian, Neman the Syrian, I think. Yeah, I'm not so good on all these details, but the interesting thing is, the fascinating thing, the thing that really grabbed Carl Young and did not let him go is that when he told people about this, when he wanted to go back and return to see these again, they never did exist. They weren't there, never were there, even these again, they never did exist. (00:12:25)

They weren't there, never were there, even though he and Tony Wolfe both had seen them together, had talked about them together, had really commented on how extraordinary they were back in 1932. So decades later, Carl Young is still perplexed by this extraordinary mystery, and when he'd sent people to please check it out, you know, see if you can take pictures or bring me postcards, they don't exist because these mosaics supposedly have never existed. (00:12:51)

So Young, if I recall from your book, seemed to feel that what must have occurred is that he had these images of the mosaics in his mind, and he projected from his own mind so that they appeared to him and Tony Wolfe, who was with him, to be external to them. (00:13:13)

Yes, it's kind of an extraordinary thing. Now, here's the father of synchronicity, you know, we would think, at least that's when I think synchronicity, I think Carl Young, and he's noticing that there's this interesting, just like with synchronicity, there's an internal component to this very external realization. And because of Carl Young already looking at such things, I believe, he was already aware of the collective unconscious. He's aware of archetypal things, I believe, he was already aware of the collective unconscious. (00:13:42)