Jimmy Akin : Skinwalker ranch での怪奇現象を解説

2025年7月8日 · 約123分

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スキンウォーカー牧場の謎

この文章は、ジミー・エイキンのミステリアス・ワールドのエピソード36「スキンウォーカー牧場の謎」からの抜粋です。

このエピソードでは、ユタ州南東部にあるスキンウォーカー牧場で報告されている不可解な現象について掘り下げています。この牧場は、先住民の民間伝承に登場する**「スキンウォーカー」**という変身能力を持つ悪意ある魔女にちなんで名付けられています。

番組では、1994年に牧場を購入したシャーマン一家が体験した奇妙な動物の出現、物が動く**「目に見えない出来事」、そして彼らの電気システムに干渉する「青い球体」**といった現象が紹介されています。さらに、一家が耐え難いほどの体験をした後、ナショナル・インスティテュート・フォー・ディスカバリー・サイエンス（NIDS）による牧場の科学的調査についても説明されており、NIDSは2016年にアダムアンティウム・リアルエステート社にこの牧場を売却するまで、現象の調査を続けました。

スキンウォーカー牧場の謎：詳細ブリーフィング文書

このブリーフィング文書では、スキンウォーカー牧場で報告された一連の奇妙な現象と、それらを説明するために提唱された様々な理論について、提供された資料に基づいて詳細にレビューします。

主要なテーマと重要な事実

スキンウォーカー牧場は、ユタ州南東部のユインタ盆地にある牧場で、数百年にわたる異常な出来事の報告で知られています。この地は地元のネイティブアメリカンの部族、特にナバホ族やユート族の間で「スキンウォーカーの通り道」と信じられており、古くからその存在が語り継がれてきました。報告された現象は多岐にわたり、科学的な調査も行われています。

牧場の歴史と所有者の変遷

先住民の時代（1950年代以前）: ユート族とナバホ族の伝説によれば、この地域には数百年にわたってスキンウォーカー（悪意ある変身能力を持つ男性の魔女）が住んでおり、誰も立ち入らない「スキンウォーカーの谷」があると言われています。牧場はその「スキンウォーカーの通り道」に位置するとされ、ネイティブアメリカンは近寄ろうとしませんでした。

マイヤーズ家時代（1950年代～1994年）: マイヤーズ家が牧場を所有していましたが、その期間の詳細はあまり知られていません。売買契約書には、「許可なく敷地を掘削してはならない」という珍しい条項が含まれていました。1960年代から1970年代にかけて、ユインタ盆地では多くのUFO目撃情報が報告されています。

シャーマン家時代（1994年～1996年）: テリー・シャーマンと彼の妻グウェン（資料ではプライバシー保護のため「トーマス・ゴーマン」と記載）が牧場を購入。牧場主として非常に有能で、家畜の損失率も低いことで知られていました。しかし、彼らは入居直後から信じられないほどの異常現象に遭遇し、最終的に牧場を売却することを決意します。彼らは当初、「何が起こっているのか分からず、説明を求めており、牧場を売りたかった」とされています。

NIDS時代（1996年～2016年）: シャーマン家の報告を受けて、航空宇宙産業で財を成した億万長者ボブ・ビッグローが設立した「国立発見科学研究所（NIDS）」が牧場を購入し、科学的調査を開始しました。テリー・シャーマンはNIDSの牧場管理者として引き続き雇用され、NIDSは独自の家畜を持ち込み、監視カメラやセンサーなどの機材を多数設置しました。しかし、シャーマンが「静かに行動しなければ、現象は消える」と警告していたにもかかわらず、大規模な調査体制を敷いたため、「現象は著しく減少した」。NIDSは現象が繰り返されないことに苦慮し、「ある種の現象が現れては消え、次に別の現象が現れては消える」という状況でした。

現在の所有者（2016年～）: NIDSはアマンタディウム・リアル・エステートという企業に牧場を売却しました。現在の所有者は匿名の裕福な人物で、引き続き現象の調査に関心を持っています。

報告された現象のカテゴリと具体例

報告された現象は非常に多岐にわたりますが、代表的なものを以下に示します。

奇妙な動物の出現:

巨大なオオカミ: シャーマン家が引っ越してきた際、通常の3倍もの大きさのオオカミが現れました。友好的に見えたが、子牛を襲おうとし、銃で撃っても「肉の塊が吹き飛んだ」にもかかわらず、痛がる様子もなく立ち去りました。この地域には当時オオカミは生息していませんでした。「最後のオオカミは1929年に撃たれ、この事件の後まで再導入されなかった」。吹き飛んだ肉片は腐敗臭がしました。
黒い犬と巨大なオオカミ: グウェン・シャーマンが自宅に戻る途中、車よりも背の高いオオカミと、「頭が異常に大きく」、奇妙な黒い犬に遭遇しました。
赤いハイエナのような生物: NIDS調査期間中に、テリーとグウェンは牧場の馬を襲う「ハイエナのような姿だが、巨大なキツネのような尻尾を持ち、犬のような頭、イノシシのような脚」をした、体重約200ポンド（約90kg）の赤い毛皮の生物を目撃しました。
その他: 小さな熱帯風の鳥や、数週間で姿を消す奇妙なクモなども報告されています。

不可視の出来事（ポルターガイスト現象に類似）:

物の移動: 食料品が棚から袋に戻されたり、調理中のへらが消えて冷凍庫で見つかったり、塩と胡椒が入れ替わったりしました。
個人的な物品の紛失: グウェンがシャワーを浴びている間に、タオルやヘアブラシが消えました。
大型物品の消失と出現: テリーの70ポンド（約32kg）の「穴掘り機が消え、数週間後に20フィート（約6m）の高さの木の上で見つかった」。
地面の奇妙な穴: 「直径数フィート、深さ約1フィートの円形の穴が地面に切り抜かれており」、約200～300ポンド（約90～136kg）の土が消えていました。
NIDSの経験: NIDSの犬が囲いから勝手に出されたり、監視カメラの配線が引き抜かれ、ダクトテープが消失したりする事件がありました。カメラの映像には、電源が切れる瞬間が映っていましたが、誰も関わっていないように見えました。「他のカメラの映像には、カメラをいじっている人物は映っていなかった」。

不可視の存在:

捕食者のような歪み: シャーマンと彼の息子は、瞑想していた男に向かって「視覚的な歪み」を伴い、「動物の咆哮のような音」を立てて突進する、ぼやけた不可視の存在を目撃しました。後に彼らは映画『プレデター』のエイリアンのカモフラージュ効果に似ていたと述べています。
水中の動き: 誰もいないのに水路で水しぶきが上がり、何かが水中を走っているように見えました。

精神現象:

感情の操作: 巨大なオオカミに遭遇した際、「異常なほど落ち着いていた」ことや、「青いオーブが現れると、動物も人間も異常なほどのパニック」を感じることが報告されています。
思考の読み取り: 現象がシャーマン家やNIDSの科学者の行動を予測するように見えましたが、常にではありませんでした。
テレパシー: NIDSの科学者が「私たちはお前たちを見ている」というテレパシーメッセージを受け取ったと報告しています。

航空機関連の出来事:

「チュパ」のような箱型飛行物体: 最初はRV（キャンピングカー）と間違えられた「長方形の冷蔵庫のような構造で、前後には光があり」フェンスを飛び越え、最終的に空に上昇する飛行物体が目撃されました。これはブラジルの「チュパ」と呼ばれる航空機に似ていました。
サイレントなステルス機: 30～40フィート（約9～12m）の長さの、サイレントで20フィート（約6m）上空をホバリングし、雪の上に様々な色の光を投射する黒いステルス機のような物体が目撃されました。
黒い三角形: 黒い三角形の航空機も目撃されました。

オーブ関連の出来事:

様々な色のオーブ: 黄色いオーブが360度旋回して高速で飛び去るのや、ゴルフボールサイズの赤いオーブが飛び回るのが見られました。
赤外線オーブ: NIDSは夜間の赤外線映像で、肉眼では見えないオーブを記録しました。
青いオーブ: 「野球ボールの2～3倍の大きさ」で、「ガラスかプラスチックの殻で、内部には沸騰し始めたような青い液体」が入っているように見えました。静電気のようなパチパチという音を立て、その存在下では異常な恐怖を感じ、家の近くを通過すると室内の照明が暗くなりました。ある夜、トム・シャーマン（テリー）の飼い犬3匹を誘い込み、「犬たちが死ぬような苦痛の叫び声を上げ」るのを聞きました。翌朝、彼は「草の中に3つの焼けた円」と「円の中央に犬たちの焼死体」を発見しました。この事件が彼に牧場を売却する決断をさせました。

ヒューマノイド関連の出来事: NIDSの目撃: NIDSの科学者が夜間、ナイトビジョン双眼鏡で地面近くに小さな光が広がり、トンネルに変化するのを目撃しました。そして「6フィート（約1.8m）の長さ、400ポンド（約180kg）の黒いヒューマノイド」がそこから這い出てきて、荒野に逃げ去りました。この現象には「刺激的な硫黄のような匂い」が伴っていました。

家畜への影響:

牛の消失: 約1000ポンド（約450kg）の牛が雪嵐の中を走っていたが、「蹄の跡が突然途切れて」消えました。航空機による持ち上げやポータル通過が可能性として挙げられています。
家畜の切断: この地域でよく見られる現象で、「血抜きされ、特定の臓器（目、舌、直腸、生殖器など）が外科的精度で切除され」、焼灼されていました。「捕食者は噛み跡や爪跡、血を大量に残す」が、これらのケースではそのような兆候はありませんでした。
子牛の切断: テリー・シャーマンと妻が子牛にタグを付けていた際、ブラックアンガスの子牛の体が「頭と前脚と後脚、そして真ん中に脊椎」だけが残り、「体の残りの部分は消えて」いました。「タグを付けた耳も外科的精度で切り取られていた」。

ポータル現象:

空中のオレンジ色の円: テリー・シャーマンはしばしば空中に「夕日や満月ほどの大きさ」にまで成長する「オレンジ色の円」を目撃しました。「時には扁平に見えたり、細長に見えたり」し、「一度は夜中にその中心に青い空が見えた」。トンネルのように見えることもありましたが、別の角度から見ると消えました。これは牧場の家からまっすぐ下を見下ろす視点からのみ見えると判断されました。
物体が出現: このポータルから「黒い三角形や別の黒い物体がものすごい速さで飛び出してくる」のが見えました。
NIDSの目撃: NIDSの科学者も地面近くで光が「トンネルに広がり」、前述の黒いヒューマノイドが這い出てくるのを観察しました。

現象を説明する理論

資料では、スキンウォーカー牧場の現象を説明するためのいくつかの理論が検討されています。

すべてがデマである:

反論: マイヤーズ家時代から「スキンウォーカーの通り道」として悪評があり、ユインタ盆地では1960～70年代に多数のUFO目撃情報があったため、シャーマン家がでっち上げたとは考えにくい。シャーマン家は宣伝を求めず、牧場を売却して金持ちになったわけでもない。NIDS時代にも現象は続きました。NIDSが記録した赤外線オーブや11分間追跡可能な磁気異常、ナイトビジョンゴーグルで確認されたトンネルとヒューマノイドなど、物理的な証拠をシャーマンがでっち上げることは困難です。

幻覚である:

反論: シャーマン家は精神疾患の既往歴がない。NIDSは環境中の低周波音や幻覚剤の証拠を見つけられませんでした。複数の人物が同じ現象を目撃しており、「集団幻覚」の証拠はありません。NIDSは物理的な証拠やビデオ記録、磁化された柵などの測定結果を残しており、これらを幻覚として片付けることはできません。

超自然現象である（悪魔の仕業）:

反論: 確かにポルターガイスト現象や硫黄の匂い、黒いヒューマノイドの出現などは悪魔を連想させますが、「悪魔は通常、このような物理的な痕跡を残さない」。また、報告された現象には「RVのような航空機や他の航空機、青いオーブ」など、技術的な要素が多く含まれています。悪魔の目的は人々を神から遠ざけることですが、シャーマン家は既に信仰から離れており、この現象によってさらに信仰から遠ざけられたわけではないため、動機が不明です。

自然現象、または秘密の軍事計画である:

軍事計画（スクービードゥー仮説）: 軍が土地を安く買い叩くために怪しい現象をでっち上げているという説。
反論: 政府が土地を欲しければ、正当な手段（立ち退き強制権など）で取得できるはず。エリア51周辺では実際に行われました。また、「ゴーマン（シャーマン）家がこの土地を所有していた18か月間だけでなく」、現象の歴史は長いです。
軍事実験: シャーマン家を対象とした実験であるという説。
反論: 政府が市民を実験台にする前例（MKウルトラやタスキギー梅毒実験など）はありますが、このケースでは「サンプルサイズが非常に小さい」上に、「目的が不明」です。特定の目標があるわけではなく、「ただ人を困らせているだけ」に見えます。
UFOの偽情報: 実際の機密プロジェクトから目をそらすための偽情報であるという説。
反論: 「なぜ数個のUFOをでっち上げるだけでなく、これほど広範囲の現象をでっち上げる必要があるのか？」疑問が残ります。また、「1990年代に我々の軍が、物を不可視にしたり、犬を焼却できる青いオーブや、空にトンネルを作ったりできるような技術を持っていたのか？」という疑問も残ります。

自然現象、または並行世界・異次元・別の惑星・別の時間軸が関与している:

ポータル説: 「もしポータルの目撃談が信用できるなら」、多くの現象を説明できます。不可視の出来事も未来の軍事技術や並行世界の技術によるもの、高度な航空機や奇妙な動物も別の場所から来たと説明できます。
推測: もし現象が報告通りであれば、これは「別の世界への橋」、特に「私たちの未来か、並行する地球」である可能性が高いと示唆されています。青い空が見えたり、地球の動物に似ているが異なる動物が出現したりするためです。

上記の組み合わせ:

可能性: 現象の一部はデマ、一部は幻覚、一部は軍の関与など、複数の要因が絡み合っている可能性も排除できません。
反論: 「より単純な説明が好ましい」というオッカムの剃刀の原則に基づくと、一か所で様々な現象が起こっている場合、複数の原因を仮定するよりも、すべてを説明できる単一の原因を考慮する方が良いとされます。

結論とリソース

提供された情報源の著者（ジミー・エイキン）は、スキンウォーカー牧場で何が起こっているのかについて「全く分からない」と結論付けています。懐疑論者としては「デマや幻覚、軍の偽情報として片付けたい」という気持ちがあるものの、NIDSが「物理的な記録」を残しており、「何か」が起こっていたことは否定できません。NIDSや軍を含む多くの人々が共謀してデマをでっち上げる「目的」が見当たらないため、すべてをデマとすることは困難です。

表面的な証拠を読む限り、「並行世界の関与」が示唆されますが、明確な結論を出すことは難しいとされています。

追加リソース:

ウィキペディア：スキンウォーカー牧場、NIDS
書籍：『Hunt for the Skinwalker』（Colm Kelleher & George Knapp著）
ドキュメンタリー映画：『Hunt for the Skinwalker』（Jeremy Corbell監督）
オリジナルのデゼレト・ニュース記事
アマチュア調査サイト：SkinwalkerRanch.org
Googleマップ：スキンウォーカー牧場の航空写真

注記: このブリーフィング文書は、提供されたソースからの情報のみに基づいて作成されています。言及されている理論や現象の真偽については、この文書内で判断を下していません。

タイムライン

1929年以前:

ユタ州ユインタ盆地にある牧場が、地元のネイティブアメリカン部族（ナバホ族、ユート族、ホピ族など）の伝承において「スキンウォーカー」と呼ばれる変身能力を持つ悪意ある魔女（ウォーロック）の通り道として知られるようになる。この地域は数百年もの間、スキンウォーカーが住んでいると信じられている谷の近くに位置しており、ネイティブアメリカンは牧場に近づかない。

1950年代:

マイヤーズ家が牧場を購入し、1994年まで所有する。この期間の詳細はあまり知られていないが、牧場の所有権に関する契約書には、マイヤーズ家の許可なく敷地を掘削してはならないという珍しい条項が含まれていた。

1960年代〜1970年代:

マイヤーズ家が所有していた期間に、ユインタ盆地周辺で多くのUFO目撃情報が報告される。スキンウォーカー牧場はこの現象の中心地と見なされる。

1994年:

シャーマン家（本名はテリー・シャーマンとグウェン・シャーマン、書籍では「ゴーマン」という偽名で登場）が牧場を購入する。彼らは、入居直後から一連の異常な現象に遭遇し始める。
巨大なオオカミとの遭遇: 入居初日、通常の3倍の大きさの巨大なオオカミが現れ、牧場に連れてこられた子牛を襲う。シャーマン夫妻は銃でオオカミを撃つが、痛みを感じている様子はなく、肉片が吹き飛んだにもかかわらず、平然と立ち去る。オオカミの足跡は突然、開けた場所で消滅し、吹き飛んだ肉片は腐敗した匂いを放つ。オオカミはこの地域に生息していない動物だった。
その他の奇妙な動物の出現: グウェン・シャーマンが巨大なオオカミと異常に大きな頭を持つ黒い犬に遭遇する。また、ヒョウのような姿でキツネのような尾とイノシシのような脚を持つ「ハイエナのような生き物」が馬を襲っているのが目撃される（重さ約200ポンドと推定）。この他にも、熱帯地方に生息するような小さな赤い鳥や、数週間で姿を消す奇妙なクモが牧場で発見される。
物が移動する現象: グウェンが食料品を棚にしまっても、バッグに戻っている。料理中にヘラが消え、後に冷凍庫で見つかる。塩とコショウの容器の中身が入れ替わる。グウェンがシャワーを浴びている間に、タオルとヘアブラシがなくなる。
道具の消失と再出現: テリーがフェンス作業中にペンチが消える。最も顕著な例は、70ポンドのポールホールディガーが作業中に消え、数週間後に20フィートの高さの木の上で発見されたことである。
謎の地面の穴: 大きな丸いクッキーカッターでくり抜かれたような、直径数フィート、深さ1フィートの円形の穴が地面に現れる。これにより、200～300ポンドの土が動かされたと推定される。
「チュパ」のような航空機: 地上レベルで移動する長方形の「RVのような」物体を目撃する。この物体はフェンスを飛び越え、最終的に空へと飛び去る。これはブラジルで報告された「チュパ」と呼ばれる飛行物体に似ている。
ステルス機のような物体と黒い三角形: 牧場上空20フィートに静かにホバリングし、雪の上に様々な色の光を投射する、長さ30～40フィートのステルス機のような黒い物体を目撃する。また、黒い三角形の飛行物体も目撃する。
様々な色のオーブ: 黄色のオーブ（頭上を360度旋回して高速で飛び去る）、小さなゴルフボール大の赤いオーブ、そして最も危険とされる青いオーブを目撃する。青いオーブは野球ボールの2～3倍の大きさで、内部で液体が沸騰しているように見える透明なガラスまたはプラスチックの球体であり、静電気のようなパチパチという音を立て、近くの家の照明を暗くする。青いオーブの存在下では、シャーマン家と動物たちは異常なパニックを感じる。
犬の焼死: テリー・シャーマンが3匹の犬と夜に出かけていると、青いオーブが現れ、犬たちを挑発する。オーブは犬たちを森の茂みへと誘い込み、犬たちはそこで激しい苦痛の叫び声を上げる。翌朝、テリーは茂みに入り、3つの焼け焦げた円と、その中心に犬たちの焼死体（火葬された遺体）を発見する。この出来事が、テリー・シャーマンが牧場を売却することを決意する決定的な要因となる。
ポータル現象: テリー・シャーマンが空にオレンジ色の円を目撃する。この円は大きく膨張し、夕日や満月ほどの大きさになることがある。時には歪んで見え、時には夜間にもかかわらず中心に青空が見えることがあった。また、トンネルのように見えることもあるが、別の角度から見ると消滅した。黒い三角形などの物体がこの「トンネル」から高速で飛び出してくるのも目撃する。これは別の場所へのトンネルまたはポータルであると推測される。
不可視の存在: 「プレデター」のエイリアンのカモフラージュ効果のような、ぼやけた視覚的歪みを伴う「何か」が、牧場を瞑想していた人物に向かって咆哮しながら突進するのを目撃する。また、カナルを走っている際に水しぶきを上げながらも、その原因となる物体が見えない現象を目撃する。
精神的な現象: シャーマン家と動物たちは、異常な平静さやパニックなど、不適切な感情を経験することがある。現象が彼らの行動を予測しているように見えることがあるが、常にではない。

1996年:

ロバート・ビゲローによって設立された科学財団、国立発見科学研究所（NIDS）がシャーマン家から牧場を購入し、そこで報告される現象の科学的調査を開始する。テリー・シャーマンは、牧場の管理責任者としてNIDSに雇われ、彼の家畜の一部はNIDSの研究のために牧場に残される。
NIDSの調査の開始と現象の減少: シャーマンは現象を刺激しないよう静かに調査を進めるべきだとNIDSに助言するが、NIDSは多くのカメラやセンサーを設置し、大規模なアプローチを取ることを決定する。その結果、現象は大幅に減少するが、数ヶ月ごとに再燃することがあった。
物理的証拠の記録: NIDSは、監視カメラの故障（3台のカメラの電源コードとビデオコードがダクトテープで巻かれていたが、突然機能しなくなり、ダクトテープも消えていた。他のカメラの映像には、故障の瞬間に何も映っていなかった）や、家畜の囲いの金属棒が高度に磁化され、48時間磁性を保持したことなど、いくつかの物理的な現象を記録する。
見えない磁気異常: 家畜が2つのグループに分かれて、目に見えない何かを迂回する現象が発生。NIDSはコンパスを使って、11分間移動する磁気異常を追跡する。
ポータルとヒューマノイド: NIDSの科学者が夜間に暗視双眼鏡を使用していると、地表近くで小さな光が広がり、トンネルに変化するのを目撃する。そのトンネルから、体長6フィート、体重400ポンドの黒いヒューマノイドが這い出てきて、荒野へと逃げ去る。この出来事には、刺激的な硫黄のような匂いが伴っていた。
テレパシーのメッセージ: NIDSの科学者の一人が、木の中にいた黒い物体から「我々はあなたを監視している」というテレパシーのメッセージを受け取る。 2016年:

NIDSは牧場をアダマンチウム不動産という別の会社に売却する。新しい所有者は匿名であり、引き続き現象の研究を行うという条件で売却が行われる。

登場人物

テリー・シャーマン（Tom Gorman）: スキンウォーカー牧場を所有していた牧場主。非常に有能で高い水準を持つ牧場主であり、動物飼育の学位を持つ。牧場での異常な現象に家族と共に遭遇し、犬の焼死事件をきっかけに牧場を売却することを決意する。NIDSが牧場を購入した後も、牧場管理責任者としてとどまり、調査に協力する。

グウェン・シャーマン（Mrs. Sherman）: テリー・シャーマンの妻。夫と共に牧場での様々な異常現象を経験する。特に、物が移動したり、消えたりする現象の目撃者となる。

シャーマン夫妻の息子: テリー・シャーマンと共に牧場での現象に遭遇する。巨大なオオカミや不可視の存在の目撃者となる。

マイヤーズ家: 1950年代から1994年までスキンウォーカー牧場を所有していた家族。彼らの期間の詳細はあまり知られていない。

ボブ・ビゲロー: アメリカの億万長者で航空宇宙産業で財を築いた人物。1990年代に国立発見科学研究所（NIDS）を設立し、スキンウォーカー牧場を買い取って科学的な調査を開始する。

コルム・ケレハー: NIDSの主任科学者。著書「Hunt for the Skinwalker」の共著者であり、牧場での調査の中心人物。

ジョージ・ナップ: ジャーナリスト。著書「Hunt for the Skinwalker」の共著者。1990年代からスキンウォーカー牧場の現象について報道している。

ジェレミー・コーベル: ドキュメンタリー映画「Hunt for the Skinwalker」の監督。

瞑想した男: シャーマン夫妻の牧場を訪れ、瞑想を許可された人物。瞑想中に不可視の存在に遭遇し、恐怖に陥る。

NIDSの物理学者: NIDSの調査チームの一員。木の中にいる物体からテレパシーのメッセージを受け取ったと報告する。

オーブ関連の出来事

スキンウォーカー牧場で報告された数多くの奇妙な現象の中でも、オーブ関連の出来事は特に顕著なカテゴリーとして挙げられます。これらのオーブは、その多様な特性と行動から、牧場で起こる広範な怪奇現象の理解に重要な役割を果たしています。

報告されたオーブの種類とその特徴は以下の通りです。

黄色いオーブ: これらは周囲を360度旋回し、非常に速く飛び去りますが、音は立てません。ドローンのようなプロペラの音もありませんでした。
赤いオーブ: ゴルフボールほどの大きさの非常に小さな赤いオーブが飛び回るのが目撃されました。
赤外線オーブ: NIDS（国立科学発見研究所）が夜間に赤外線映像を撮影していた際、肉眼では見えないにもかかわらず、赤外線カメラには写るオーブが記録されました。これは、オーブ現象が単なる幻覚や捏造ではないことを示唆する物理的な証拠の一部とされています。
青いオーブ: 最も深刻なオーブとして報告されており、野球ボールの2、3倍の大きさで、ガラスやプラスチックの殻の中に「沸騰しているように見える青い液体」が入っているように見えました。これらは物理的な物体であるとされており、静電気のようなパチパチという音を立てました。
- 心理的・生理的影響: 青いオーブが現れると、人間も動物も異常なほどのパニックや恐怖を感じました。オーブが家の近くを通過すると、室内の電気が薄暗くなり、家の電気系統に干渉しているようでした。
- 動物への影響: 青いオーブは動物たち（馬、家畜、犬など）をからかい、挑発するような行動をとりました。ある例では、犬を木の茂みに誘い込み、犬たちが「死ぬほどの苦しみ」で叫ぶ声が聞こえた後、翌朝には3匹の犬の焼けた跡と遺灰が発見されました。まるでこのオーブが犬たちを焼却したかのようでした。この事件が、シェーマン氏（トムまたはテリー）が牧場を売却する決定的な要因となりました。
オレンジ色の円: 空に現れるオーブのようなオレンジ色の円も目撃されましたが、これは次第に大きくなり、沈む夕日や満月ほどの大きさになりました。時には平らになったり細長くなったりして見え、一度は中心に青い空が見えたこともあります。これは「どこかへのトンネルやポータル」であると認識されていました。

これらのオーブ関連の出来事は、牧場で報告された他の様々な現象と密接に関連しています。

家畜の消失と切断: オーブのような光が動物の切断事件の前夜に見られたことが複数回報告されています。
物理的証拠: NIDSはオーブの一部を記録することができました。特に赤外線オーブの記録は、現象がホラーや幻覚ではないという反論の根拠とされています。物理的な証拠があるため、すべてをホラ話や幻覚として片付けるのは難しいとされています。
技術的な側面: オーブが物理的な物体であることや、犬を焼却する能力、電気系統に干渉する能力などは、単なる超常現象ではなく、高度な技術が関与している可能性を示唆しています。
理論との関連:
- ホラ話説: オーブ現象がカメラに記録されたり、物理的な影響を及ぼしたりするため、すべてがホラ話であるとは考えにくいとされています。
- 幻覚説: NIDSの科学者を含む複数の人が同じ現象を目撃しており、記録も残っているため、集団幻覚や個人的な幻覚では説明できないとされています。
- 軍事プログラム説: 1990年代に、犬を焼却したり空にトンネルを作ったりするような技術がアメリカ軍にあったとは考えにくく、この説も疑問視されています。
- 並行世界説: オーブを含むこれらの多様な現象は、別の次元や別の惑星、あるいは別の時間からの並行世界への橋渡し、つまりポータルが存在するという説で説明できる可能性があります。オーブが「別の場所からの高度な技術」によるものと考えることで、多くの現象の信憑性が高まるとされています。

グウェン・シェーマンは、青いオーブがもたらす極度のパニックのために牧場を去りたいと願っており、シェーマン夫妻はオーブによる犬の焼却事件をきっかけに、牧場を売却するに至りました。このように、オーブ関連の出来事は、シェーマン家の体験に大きな影響を与え、牧場の謎の核心部分を形成する要素の一つとなっています。

動物の切断

スキンウォーカー牧場で報告された家畜関連の出来事のより大きな文脈において、動物の切断（アニマル・ミューティレーション）は特に注目すべき現象です。トム（またはテリー）・シャーマンは、牧場で飼育していた80頭の牛のうち14頭を失っており、これは全体の約18%にあたります。各牛が2,000ドル以上するため、これは約30,000ドルの経済的損失でした。

失われた家畜には、いくつかの異なるパターンが見られます。

家畜の消失:
- 牛が単に消えることがありました。
- ある事件では、シャーマン氏は雪の中に1000ポンド（約450kg）の成牛の足跡を追っていました。足跡は雪の中で走っていることを示していましたが、突然、足跡が途絶えていました。牛がどこへ行ったのか、雪が積もっているため足跡が残るはずなのに、全く分かりませんでした。シャーマン氏は、1000ポンドの牛が走っている最中に航空機に持ち上げられたのかと考えましたが、通常のヘリコプターではその重さを持ち上げられないと述べられています。一つの説として、牛がポータルのいずれかを通り抜けた可能性が挙げられています。
動物の切断（アニマル・ミューティレーション）:
- 失われた牛の中には、切断されていたものもいました。この現象は、米国南西部および西部全域の牧場主にはよく知られたものです。
- 捕食動物によるものではない、非常に奇妙な状況で動物が死んでいるのが発見されます。捕食動物は噛み跡や爪跡を残し、血をまき散らしますが、切断された動物はそのような特徴がありませんでした。
- 切断された動物は、血が抜き取られているように見え、特定の臓器（しばしば目、舌、直腸、生殖器、時には他の部位も）が切除されていました。
- これらの切断は、焼灼されており、外科手術のような精密さで切られていました。ナイフやレーザーを使ったかのような切断面であり、動物が噛み裂いた結果ではありえませんでした。
- 特定の事例:
  - ある時、トムと彼の息子が牛の世話をしていると、泥だらけの運河に横たわる若い雌牛を発見しました。彼らが別の用事を済ませるためにその場を離れ、20分後に息子が戻ってくると、その雌牛は死んでおり、臀部がくり抜かれていました。
  - 別の事例では、NIDSの科学者が牧場に滞在している期間に、生後間もない黒いアンガスの子牛の切断が報告されています。シャーマン氏とその妻が新しい子牛にタグを付けていた際、84ポンド（約38kg）の子牛にタグを付けた後、40分後にその子牛が死んでいるのを発見しました。
    - 子牛は失血しており、周囲に血はなかった。
    - 切断されており、84ポンドのうち40ポンドがなくなっていた。
    - 足は関節から引き抜かれ、体の中央部の大半がなくなっていました。
    - ドキュメンタリーの映像では、頭、前脚、後脚、そして中央に背骨だけが残り、それ以外の胴体はなくなっているように見えたとされています。
    - タグを付けた耳は、外科手術のような精密さで切断されていました。
    - この事件は、シャーマン夫妻が他の子牛にタグを付けている最中に、わずか数百フィート離れた場所で、視界が届く範囲内で発生しました。
関連する現象:
- 動物の切断が発見される複数回、前夜にオーブのような光が目撃されていました。
- 切断は、なぜか雷雨の際に頻繁に発生するように見え、球電現象を連想させることもありました。しかし、球電現象が動物の切断を引き起こすメカニズムは不明です。
- ある事件では、切断された動物から非常に強い化学物質のような匂いと茶色の液体が発見されましたが、シャーマン氏がサンプルを採取しに戻る前に蒸発してしまいました。
- NIDSが牧場にいた時期には、家畜が目に見えないものに囲まれてパニックを起こすこともありました。牛の群れが暴走し、見えない何かを避けるように2つのグループに分かれた例もあります。これは11分間追跡可能な磁気異常であり、コンパスが北ではなく異常なものを指し続けました。
- 賞を受賞した牡牛たちが、異常に小さすぎる金属製のトレーラーの中に催眠術にかかったように立っているのが発見されたこともあります。シャーマン氏が音を立てると、牡牛たちは目が覚めてパニックに陥りました。この際、囲いの金属製の棒が高レベルで磁化され、48時間磁性を保ったことがNIDSによって確認されています。

これらの切断事件は、牧場の広範な現象の一部として、多くの理論と関連付けられています。動物の突然の消失や外科的な切断は、通常の捕食動物や人間の活動では説明が難しいものであり、ポータルや別の世界、高度な技術の関与といった説を裏付けるものとして挙げられています。特にNIDSが映像や物理的な記録（磁化など）を残していることから、これらの現象を単なるデマや幻覚として片付けることは困難であるとされています。

シャーマン氏は、青いオーブによる犬の焼却事件（これは切断とは異なりますが、動物への極めて深刻な影響）を受けて、最終的に牧場を売却することを決意しました。このように、家畜の消失や切断、そして他の動物への奇妙な影響は、牧場の所有者たちに計り知れない経済的、精神的負担を与え、彼らがその土地を離れる決定を下す大きな要因となりました。

スキンウォーカー牧場で発生した動物の切断というより大きな文脈において、情報源は**化学的な臭いと茶色の液体（蒸発）**について次のように述べています。

家畜の切断事件の中には、奇妙な状況で動物が死んでいるのが発見されることがありました。これらの動物は捕食動物によるものではなく、血が抜き取られており、特定の臓器が外科手術のような精密さで切除されていました。

ある事例では、切断された動物から非常に強い化学物質のような匂いと茶色の液体が発見されました。これは、異常な出来事と関連して見つかった追加の奇妙な物理的痕跡でした。

しかし、この液体は詳細な分析を阻む形で消滅しました。シャーマン氏（トムまたはテリー）がサンプルを採取するために容器を取りに戻る前に、その液体は蒸発してしまい、サンプルを採取できませんでした。

この現象は、スキンウォーカー牧場で報告されている多岐にわたる未解明な現象の一つであり、通常の科学的説明では困難な要素を含んでいます。液体が蒸発したことにより、その成分や性質を特定する機会が失われ、切断事件の謎をさらに深める結果となりました。これは、この牧場で発生する現象の多くが証拠の収集や再現性を困難にするという特徴と一致しています。

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Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World is brought to you by the StarQuest Production Network and is made possible by our many generous patrons. If you'd like to support the podcast, please visit sqpn.com slash give. You're listening to episode 36 of Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World, where we look at mysteries from the twin perspectives of faith and reason. In this episode, we're talking about the mystery of Skinwalker Ranch. I'm Don Bettinelli, and joining me today is Jimmy Akin. Hi, Jimmy. Howdy, Don. So, Skinwalker Ranch is not a place in San Francisco where they make Star Wars movies. (0:00:47)

That's Skywalker Ranch. Skywalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch is a mysterious location in southeastern Utah. A phenomenal number of weird events have been reported there of many kinds, and it's also been scientifically studied. So what's happened there, and what did scientists find when they studied it? And that's what we'll be talking about today on Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World. But before we get to that, I do want to point out that for the second week in a row, this is a patron-selected topic. (0:01:19)

The second one this month. And Jimmy, could you remind us how this all came about? Yeah, so every month we give our supporters on Patreon an option. We give them like four possible choices of what would you like to have us do this month for one of our episodes. And this month there was a tie. The Copper Scroll and Skinwalker Ranch got exactly the same number of votes. (0:01:41)

I knew that you had been rooting for the Copper Scroll to be done this month. I was rooting for Skinwalker Ranch to be done this month. And since they came in as a tie, rather than break the tie, I said, let's do them both. That way you and I both get what we want. And so last week for you and all the people who wanted the Copper Scroll, we did the Copper Scroll. This week for me and all the people who wanted Skinwalker Ranch, we're doing Skinwalker Ranch. Excellent. So let's start with the name, Skinwalker Ranch. Sounds kind of creepy. (0:02:13)

So what is a skinwalker? A skinwalker is a concept from the legends of various Native American tribes and elsewhere in the world. But the term specifically comes from like Navajo folklore. They're also believed in by the Utes and Hopi and other tribes here in the American West. Basically, a skinwalker is a malevolent male witch, so a warlock, that is able to transform themselves into different shapes. (0:02:49)

So that's what the legend is. The reason that Skinwalker Ranch is called that is because it's in a particular area. It's in the Uinta Basin in Utah, where the local tribes believe that there is a valley where a skinwalker has lived for several hundred years. And nobody goes to this valley. You're like not allowed to go there. And also, the ranch is thought to be in the path of the skinwalker. (0:03:20)

And so Native Americans also in the area don't want to go to Skinwalker Ranch. And there have been lots of weird things reported there and elsewhere in the Uinta Basin. It's not just Skinwalker Ranch, but that seems to be kind of the epicenter, except for maybe the Skinwalker Valley. The ranch seems to be kind of the epicenter of all of this. (0:03:45)

I've been aware of skinwalkers for some time. When I was a boy, I had a book about skinwalkers, but that was more about the legend, you know, the legendary male witches and and other similar things, not about the ranch specifically. Right. And lots of cultures have stories of people who were able to change. Yeah, like werewolves and things like that. Yeah, the deal, though, with skinwalkers is unlike werewolves, they can transform into many different shapes. (0:04:18)

And unlike werewolves, this isn't a reluctant thing. It's like it's not a curse. It's something they train to do in the legends. So you had a book about skinwalkers, but when did you first hear about Skinwalker Ranch? I think it was around 1997. 1997 was when, and we'll talk about this more, but that was when the scientific investigations of the ranch began. And I think I remember I think that was the time I learned about it. (0:04:50)

I remember I learned about it listening to the Coast to Coast AM show because they were talking about how how the new scientific initiative had been launched and what they were going to be studying and stuff like that. So what is the story, the basic story of Skinwalker Ranch? Well, it's divided into different phases. There's sort of a pre-1950s phase where it basically the the Ute and I think also Navajo legends associated with the place talked about how there's a skinwalker near there, the ranch is in its path, you don't want to go there, bad stuff can happen. (0:05:24)

And then in the 1950s, a family named Myers bought the property and they owned it from the 1950s to 1994. And they haven't really gone public, the people who lived there, at least the mother and father are now passed on, the mother passed on in 1994. And so we don't know a whole lot about that period. We do know that when the new owners, who we'll talk about in a minute, when they bought it, they were kind of surprised in the deed, in the contract, it said, you can't dig on the property without getting our permission. (0:06:03)

And this was like a clause that's not in normal, you know, bills of deeds of sale for the area. Also, in the 60s and 70s, so this was during the Myers period, there were loads of local UFO sightings in and around the Uinta Basin. Then in 1994, a family bought the property. The name of the family will appear differently in different sources. In a book, that's the best book on the subject, it's called The Hunt for the Skinwalker. And we'll have it linked in the show notes, we'll talk about it more. (0:06:44)

But in The Hunt for the Skinwalker, the family is called the Gormans. But this is to protect their privacy. If you do any research at all on the internet, their actual name will appear. And I debated what to call them on this show, because I tend to want to respect people's privacy wishes. (0:07:05)

So if they prefer to use a pseudonym, my native instinct is to go with that. But in this case, I mean, as soon as you Google anything, you're going to come across their real name. And also, according to one source I've been exposed to, they decided that enough time has passed, they're comfortable with their real name being used. (0:07:38)

And so their actual name is not Gorman, it's Sherman. So if you read the book, you're going to read about Tom Gorman, but in real life, he's Terry Sherman. And, and I hope they don't mind that that's the best information I have. And like, as soon as you Google it, you're going to find their real name anyway. (0:08:00)

In fact, it's mentioned in a documentary that we're also going to talk about by Jeremy Corbell in archival footage of from news reports from the 1990s, you know, they're being referred to as Terry and Gwen instead of Tom and the name for his wife in the book. So you're going to hit that name anyway. (0:08:20)

So anyway, they they bought it in 1994. They lived there for about 18 months until 1996. And in 1996, they gave an interview to the Deseret News, or Deseret News, I'm not sure how it's pronounced in Utah, where they talked about what was going on at the ranch. And they gave that interview because it was getting very uncomfortable for them. They didn't know what was happening. (0:08:46)

And they were hoping for an explanation, they were hoping to sell the property, they wanted to get out of there. And at that point, the next phase of the ranch's history began when an organization called NIDS bought the place in order to do scientific studies on the phenomena that are reported at the ranch. And NIDS owned the property for 20 years. They owned it from 1996 to 2016. And then they sold the property to another company who is the current owners. (0:09:20)

So we go from the Native American phase, to the Myers phase, to the Gorman-Sherman phase, to the NIDS phase, and now to the current phase. And so who are the Gormans? I mean, did you cover that? Is there any more to know about them? Yeah, there's a little bit more to know about them. So like a lot of people in the area, they're Mormons, they're not particularly religious. (0:09:37)

So they're what are called, I gather, they're what are called Jack Mormons. Jack Mormons are kind of like fallen away Catholics. You know, they're Catholic, but they don't really practice. And at least at the time, that's what the Shermans seem to be. They also, so Mr. Sherman or Mr. Gorman is a rancher. (0:10:04)

And he's apparently really good at it. He has like degrees in animal husbandry and things like that. He's supposed to be, he's quite educated. He has very high standards for a rancher. So he's not like a guy who's, you know, he's not a guy who's doesn't know what he's doing. He's very competent, very well educated in his field of study. (0:10:25)

And he has very high standards for his ranch. You know, all ranchers expect to lose a certain number of head of livestock over the course of time to various causes. And his normal rate and his expectation was much lower, a much lower percent of livestock loss than most ranchers experience. So he's a really competent guy. (0:10:50)

Who is NIDS, this other organization that does science examinations? So NIDS stands for the National Institute for Discovery Science. And it was a foundation that was started in the 1990s by Bob Bigelow. Bob Bigelow is an American billionaire who made his fortune in the aerospace industry. And it's one of, NIDS was one of a number of organizations and foundations that he started. (0:11:15)

Another one is called BASS, the Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Studies Program, which also deals with like UFO phenomena. That's what NIDS was supposed to do. Also, it was going to look into these kind of areas on the fringes of science. I tended to say fringe science, but that could be a little misleading. Explore the fringe of science is what they were trying to do. (0:11:40)

And so when they learned about the phenomena that were being reported at Skinwalker Ranch, they looked into it and concluded there was enough there that it was worth investigating. So they bought the property from the Shermans and Terry Sherman stayed on. The Shermans then bought a nearby ranch about 25 miles away. (0:12:07)

They moved most of their livestock there. NIDS brought in its own livestock because there were some phenomena connected with the livestock they wanted to study. So they brought in their own livestock. Mr. Sherman left some of his livestock there, and then he stayed on as the ranch manager. Because, you know, you have all these scientists, they're physicists and biochemists and things like that. They're not skilled at running a ranch, but Sherman is. (0:12:28)

So he stays there and becomes an employee. In addition to working for himself on his own ranch, he also works for NIDS as their ranch manager. So he's putting in really long days. I can imagine. So what were the results of the NIDS investigation? Well, one of the things that that happened right when NIDS started to study the property is they had a debate about what approach should we take, you know, because you can do different things. (0:13:02)

What Sherman told them, apparently repeatedly and forcefully, was you need to go in quietly. If you make too much of a disturbance, it's going to scare off what's doing this. And they didn't heed that advice. They said, nah, let's go in and put up all kinds of cameras and all kinds of sensors and, you know, all kinds of new things on the property to help us study this. So they went big. And what Sherman predicted would happen did happen. (0:13:29)

They did get some phenomena, but not at the same level. It dropped off. And there would be outbursts, you know, every few months, it would flare up and a bunch of new stuff would start happening. (0:13:44)

But the weird thing is the phenomena that they were able to record and study wasn't repeatable. It's like one kind of phenomenon would appear, and then it would vanish. And the next time, it would be a different phenomenon would happen, and then it would vanish. And then a third one would happen, and it would vanish. (0:14:12)

And so they didn't get the recurring stuff that the Shermans had experienced. And so that impeded their ability to get repeatable results, which they could publish in scientific journals. And the lead investigator, a guy named Colm Kelleher, who was one of the co-authors of Hunt for the Skinwalker, so it's actually co-authored by one of the scientists doing the investigation, along with a Las Vegas journalist named George Knapp. In Hunt for the Skinwalker, Kelleher says, you know, we very well may have taken the wrong approach. (0:14:56)

Instead of going in big, we may well have needed to take a much subtler, quieter approach, and perhaps even tried to engage the phenomena rather than simply study it. So over time, the phenomena trailed off, and eventually they sold the property to another group, but on the condition that the new group will continue to study what happens there. And so who are the new owners who took over in 2016? (0:15:19)

Well, we don't know a huge amount. The company that owns it is called Adamantium Real Estate. It's like a supervillain name. Yeah, or superhero. I mean, one or the other, because Wolverine and I think Sabertooth both have adamantium. So maybe a comic book fan. But whoever owns it is a guy, we know that, and he's quite rich, we know that, and he's very interested, like Bob Bigelow, he's very interested in this stuff. But in the documentary, which we'll have a link to by Jeremy Corbell, the new owner is interviewed, but his face is not shown and his voice is disguised because he's not willing to become public right now. (0:16:13)

I did a little bit of searching just out of curiosity, and I found conflicting accounts about who he may be. So I don't think it's known at this time exactly who owns Adamantium Real Estate. We've been kind of cagey about what it is that's been going on there. So what kind of mysterious phenomena have been reported? A lot. And we will not be covering them all, because they're just too much. (0:16:34)

Too many different kinds of things. So these are some representative things. We're going to talk more about each one of these categories, but we will not be covering all of the different kinds of things that have been reported at Skinwalker Ranch. To give you a taste, though, there are reported events involving weird animals, animals that do not normally exist or that are not known to science. Unseen events, things happening that are strange when people are not looking. (0:17:08)

Invisible things, even when people are there and are looking, things that seem to be invisible seem to be affecting the environment. Mental events, mental impressions, including verbal communication. Aircraft-related events, things in the sky. Orb-related events, small flying spheres of light of different sizes and colors that do different things. Humanoid-related events. (0:17:40)

And don't think gray aliens, because it's not gray aliens, it's other stuff. Events involving domesticated animals. I mentioned the livestock and how some of them were connected with those. Also, the dogs that the Sherman zoned. And then, events involving what appear to be portals to somewhere else. Whoa. Okay. I mean, I wish we could have three hours, we could talk about all the different things, but let's dig into some of this. (0:18:11)

What kind of weird animal events are we talking about? Okay. So the first one that occurred was actually when the family was first moving onto the ranch. They had just bought it. It took them a while to move their stuff there. They'd brought some of their livestock onto the ranch and put it in a pen. And as they were standing outside, a giant wolf, like three times the size of a normal wolf, walks up to them from across the field. (0:18:46)

And it's a gray wolf, if I recall correctly, but it's huge. And it seems totally friendly. It comes up to them and it's friendly, and they don't feel threatened by it for some reason. That may be one of the mental phenomenon for a phenomenon that we're going to talk about, but they don't feel threatened. It doesn't seem to be threatening. (0:19:11)

They pet it. It walks over to the corral where the livestock are. One of the calves has stuck its nose out through the bars and is watching the situation. Wolf calmly walks over to the calf, bites it on the nose, and starts trying to drag the calf through the bars. So the Shermans, you know, leap to the defense of the calf, and they are like kicking the wolf and hitting the wolf, and it's not letting go. And the calf, of course, is squealing like crazy. (0:19:43)

Terry Sherman says to his son, go get my 357 out of the truck, and he does. And they shoot the wolf, and the wolf is not hurt. And he says, go get this rifle. So they do that, and they manage to get the wolf away from the calf, and they shoot it again, and it blows a chunk of flesh off the wolf, but the wolf does not act like it's in pain. (0:20:16)

And it starts loping away from them like it's, you know, not a big deal. What's just happened? And so they don't know, and they don't know this at this point, but wolves are not native to this part of Utah. The last wolf in this area was shot in 1929, and wolves were not reintroduced in the area until after this event. (0:20:48)

So they should not be seeing a wolf here. But they think, okay, there's a wolf on our property, it's attacked our livestock, we need to follow this thing. So they follow it. They track it through these trees into a clearing. They have it in sight for a good bit of time, but then they lose track of it, and they follow its tracks until the tracks vanish in the middle of a clearing. (0:21:12)

And there's nowhere, like there's a stream nearby, but it's too far for the wolf to have leapt into. And it's like the tracks just stop. And so they come back, and they look at the chunk of flesh that they blew off of the wolf, and it's still there, but it smells rotten. Like it had aged incredibly. And so that's their first weird animal encounter. (0:21:31)

That is weird. Yeah, it is not their only weird animal encounter. Next, I forget what name she's called by, her real name is Gwen, but Mrs. Sherman is coming back to the ranch in her car, and she's got a little car, you know, fuel-efficient type of thing. It's not a big pickup. She's got a little car. It's about four feet tall, and at the edge of the property, she encounters another giant wolf and a weird-looking black dog. (0:22:09)

And the black dog has like a giant head for a dog. The head is too big, and the wolf is taller than the car. The car is at least like four feet tall, and the wolf has to lower its head to breathe on her window. And so she has this encounter with these two unusual canine animals. (0:22:33)

Much later, and this is, if I recall correctly, during the NIDS period, so Sherman kept horses on the ranch here because he would need at times to go out as ranch manager and deal with the livestock, and he didn't want to go to his own ranch 25 miles away to get his horses. (0:22:53)

So he had some horses here. And one day, he and Gwen are driving up to the ranch, and they see this commotion happening in the horse pen, and they think it's a dog has gotten in there and is, you know, worrying the horses. It's running around having fun and scaring the horses, and the horses are going crazy, and they're stirring up all kinds of dust and stuff. (0:23:11)

And so he's like ready to, you know, discipline this dog. But as they get closer, and they have dogs on the ranch too, and he thinks it's one of them. Well, as they get closer, Gwen says, that's no dog. And as they look, it isn't a dog. It looks like kind of like a hyena, except it has a huge fox-like tail, and a head like a dog, and boar-like legs, and it's red. (0:23:46)

The fur is red. So it's like a giant red sort of hyena that's in there. They estimate it would weigh around 200 pounds. It's so big, and it's harassing the horses. So they chase it out of there, and they aren't able to catch it. And I believe they see it on other occasions as well. (0:24:05)

There are also instances where they found like weird little red tropical-looking birds that aren't native to the area, or weird spiders that would appear and then vanish after a few weeks. So there's some other things too, but those are some of the major weird animal encounters. Okay, so those are the weird animals. Then you talk about unseen events. What kind of unseen events were there? So Mrs. Sherman would come home with groceries and put them away in the cupboards, and then she'd go do something else and come back, and the groceries are back in the bags. So it's like they've been unpacked from the shelves and put back in the bags. (0:24:45)

It qualifies as weird. Yeah, she would be cooking and have like a spatula that she's cooking with, and then she reaches for the spatula and it's gone, and they later find it in the freezer. They would find, and this apparently happened numerous times, the salt and the pepper would get switched in what shakers they're in. Sometimes she would be in the bathroom taking a shower, and she would lock the bathroom for privacy so people don't barge in on her while she's taking a shower. (0:25:17)

You have kids, you don't want to barge in while mom is in the shower. And she would come out of the shower and her towel and hairbrush that she had laid there would be missing. So she started to have stuff being moved around while she's not looking. So did Terry Sherman. He would be working on the fences at the ranch and his pliers would vanish. (0:25:45)

One of the biggest things that happened, he came home one night demanding to know who had taken his posthole digger that he had been using. Now posthole digger is one of those things, it's kind of like a pair of scissors that you use. It's got big huge handles, you stick it into the ground and pull the handles apart and it grabs a chunk of dirt and you pull it up. And that's how you make postholes. (0:26:06)

So he was out working on the fences with his posthole digger and it vanished. And they didn't find it for I think a couple of weeks. When they did find it, and this thing weighs 70 pounds, that's how much the posthole digger weighs, they find it 20 feet up in a tree. Somehow this 70 pound posthole digger gets 20 feet up in a tree and they have no idea how. (0:26:33)

They also would notice circular holes cut out of the ground like a big circular cookie cutter had just stamped into the ground there. These holes would be about a foot deep and several feet across and the NIDS people estimated that it would have been 200 to 300 pounds of dirt got moved, just stamped out of the ground when no one was looking. (0:27:00)

Then when NIDS came in, they had mysterious unseen events happening to them as well. They had brought a bunch of dogs onto the property and put them in enclosures. They were using the dogs as biosensors, you know, because dogs have different range of senses than we do. And so they were using the dogs for those purposes and they'd have them in these pens when they weren't working them. (0:27:20)

And the dogs would mysteriously be let out of their pens when no one was looking repeatedly. (0:27:25)

Also, they wired up, I mentioned, they put up a bunch of cameras and to monitor what's happening on the property. Well, okay, three cameras were on this one pole and they had both power leads and video leads going up to the cameras, which were wrapped in duct tape. (0:27:52)

And then the duct tape wrapped cables would come all the way down the side of the pole that the three cameras are on and go into their housing in the ground. So then there'd be power and video feed would be transmitted elsewhere underground. Well, so one night at 8.30 PM, within a few seconds or minutes of each other, all three of these cameras fail. (0:28:12)

And when they go out to investigate, the wire has been ripped out of the cameras and all of the duct tape has been undone and is gone. They never find the duct tape. Someone unwraps all of that duct tape, which had been like, it was stiff and brittle at this point because it had been in the elements, you know, for all this time. (0:28:36)

And someone took the trouble to unwrap all that stuff and then take the duct tape with them. So they think, okay, this happened at 8.30 at night and it was in the summer, as I recall, and there was enough light that they should have been able to see anyone who messed with these cameras on other cameras that they had. (0:28:59)

So they check the video feed from the other cameras. And yes, they can see the pole with the cameras on it. They can see the cows munching in the field. And at 8.30, nothing happens. Nobody comes up and yanks the cables out of the cameras. And they do some video processing to get a closer, you know, a sharpened view of these cameras. (0:29:31)

And at 8.30, within a few seconds or minutes of each other, they see the on light on each of these cameras wink out without anybody messing with the cameras. The cameras just cease working and their on light turns off for each camera. And that's all they know about this event. So something unseen happens here to these cameras. The other cameras don't show what the moment, like maybe a later moment when the wires get pulled out and they get unwrapped. (0:29:58)

No, they never record that. They don't record that. Presumably that happened after it got dark. All that the camera shows, all that the other camera shows is cows continuing to munch in the background. So more unseen things. What kind of invisible things are like things that seem to be present, but you can't see? Yeah. So after the phenomena started happening, a guy showed up on the property and Sherman was initially skeptical of this guy, but the guy shows up and he says, look, I don't want to cause a problem, but I think there's something spiritual happening here. (0:30:42)

I want to meditate. Will you please let me meditate on your property? And Sherman is reluctant, but he ends up letting the guy meditate. So he and his son who is with him take the guy onto the property to a field or a clearing or something, and they let the guy meditate. And the guy spreads out his arms and is meditating. (0:31:04)

And Sherman and his son are privately laughing at this guy. They think this is really silly. And then something blurry that they can't fully see starts hurtling towards this guy across the field. It's like a blurred visual distortion and it's making a sound like an animal roaring. And it gets up to this guy and stops and just roars in his face. (0:31:32)

And they can see there's something there, but they can't see clearly what it is. The guy, of course, is scared out of his wits and they get him off the property and stuff. But then months later, they're watching the movie Predator with Arnold Schwarzenegger, which features an alien hunter with a camouflage visual distortion effect. And they've never seen this movie before. (0:32:02)

And Sherman and his son say, that's what we saw. It's like the predator effect in the movie Predator. So that's one invisible instance. Another where something see if, according to the report, and I'm not saying any of this is true, I'm just saying this is what's reported. They saw so they have these canals on their on their property on the ranch that are sometimes filled with water. (0:32:28)

And they saw something invisible splashing like it was running through the canal. And they could see the water splashing, but they didn't see what was causing the splashing. (0:32:34)

It just it looked like something is running through the water. All right, so invisible, unseen events, weird animal events. What about mental events? Okay, so in hindsight, they it's like, why were we so calm when that giant wolf was around? Yeah. And why was the wolf so calm? It's like, could there be some kind of emotional manipulation happening here? And that's not the only incidence of feeling inappropriate emotions that they had. (0:33:03)

Another was they noticed both they and the animals experienced an abnormal level of panic whenever these blue orbs showed up. And we'll talk about the blue orbs more later. But basically, they don't know why but just what and not not other orbs, just the blue ones. When the blue ones would show up, they and the animals would would feel panic, even though they couldn't attribute that to any particular thing. (0:33:35)

It seemed like also the phenomena could at times predict what the Shermans and the NIDS scientists were going to do. Like it, it knew what they were going to do before they did it. But not always, because on some occasions, Sherman would see a phenomenon and be able to hide from it, like in a hay bale, or something like that. (0:34:05)

So it seems like it seems like kind of like their minds were being read at some points, but not other times. The most direct report of a mental phenomenon occurred in the NIDS phase, the NIDS scientists were there, and they were out at night, and they're watching something that they could see in the trees, they couldn't see it clearly, there's some kind of black thing, a black shape in the trees. And Kelleher is there, he's the head scientist. (0:34:33)

And the physicist who's with them says, it's got me. It's saying, we are watching you. So the physicist had what he felt like was a telepathic message from the thing they were they were looking at in the trees. And then you said there were aircraft related events? Yeah, so there were several different types of aircraft that they saw. One of the first ones, they thought it was an RV at first. (0:35:04)

So it had a kind of rectangular refrigerator like structure with lights on the front of the back. And they thought it was an RV that someone had driven onto their property. They thought somebody was trespassing because they were seeing it at ground level. And so Sherman said, okay, we're going to tell these people to get off our property. (0:35:29)

They started going towards it. And it started moving away from them. And it would leap over fences. And they realized this is not an RV. And eventually, it's eventually it sails off up into the sky. And this is similar to a reported kind of craft from Brazil. A number of years ago, there were sightings of what the locals would call chupas. In Brazil, that were basically this kind of box-like, refrigerator-like, RV-like craft with lights. (0:36:05)

And they had some encounters with humans that were studied by the famous French ufologist Jacques Vallée. And these were fatal encounters. People died as a result of encounters with chupas. So we may talk about them in a future episode. But this thing that the Shermans were seeing was like a chupa. (0:36:28)

They also, on another occasion, saw what looked like a small 30 to 40 foot long stealth plane. So you know, it's black, it's kind of shaped like a stealth plane, but not exactly the same. The weird thing is it's hovering 20 feet off the ground. And it's silent. And it's projecting lights of different colors down onto the snow. (0:36:48)

So it's like sitting there in the sky, hovering, doing a light show for them. On another occasion, they saw a black triangle, which again could be a kind of stealth craft, but they see a black triangle. So those were some of the aircraft they saw. All right. And then you mentioned the blue orbs. What kind of orb-related events did they see? Well, they saw several different kinds of orbs. (0:37:11)

So an orb is like a floating sphere. And they would see yellow ones that would like fly a 360 degree circle over them and then zoom off really fast. And they weren't making a noise. You know, so it's not like a drone, you hear the noise of its propellers. They would see very small golf ball sized red orbs that would fly around. (0:37:41)

When the NIDS guys got there, they were taking infrared footage at night. And they saw orbs that registered in infrared on film that they were filming with, but that you couldn't see with your eyes. So they were infrared colored orbs. (0:37:57)

And then the kind of the worst orbs were the blue ones. They got a good look at these. They said there were two to three times the size of a baseball. So maybe softball size or a little bigger or grapefruit size or a little smaller. They were clear and they looked like a glass or plastic shell with blue liquid inside that looked like it was beginning to boil. (0:38:24)

And so they got a really clear look at these things. It wasn't just like a light in the sky. It's like this is a physical object. And they made a crackling sound like static electricity. They would feel an abnormal amount of fear in the presence of the blue orbs. As the blue orbs would go past their house, if they were inside, you know, they'd see the orb out through the window, their lights inside would dim, like the orb is interfering with the house electrical system. (0:38:55)

The orbs also would taunt the animals, like their horses or their livestock or their dogs. And the panic feeling around the orbs was so intense that Gwen Sherman wanted to leave. She said, we've got to get out of here. We've got to sell this place. So Terry was not yet ready to do that. But it was after the blue orbs that she decided she really wanted to get out of here. Then we also had humanoid related events. (0:39:22)

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Yeah. So once Gwen is alone at home, and she sees outside one of the RV like chupa things, but it's close enough she can see inside of it. And she sees through a window in it. And there's like a desk in there with a guy in a black uniform with a helmet or visor on his head sitting at the desk. (0:39:54)

And when he stands up, he's like seven feet tall. So looks like a seven foot tall guy in a black uniform with a black motorcycle helmet or something on his head. All right. There's also a humanoid event connected with one of the portal events, which we'll talk about in a minute. And then you mentioned domesticated animal events. Yeah. So over the course of time, Tom or Terry lost 14 of his 80 cows. So that's 18% of them. (0:40:22)

That's almost a fifth. This was economically devastating because each cow is like $2,000 or more. So that's like $30,000 loss of livestock there. Sometimes the cattle would just disappear. He recounts one incident where he's out riding his horse. There's snow on the ground. He's following the tracks of a cow. And this cow would have like weighed a thousand pounds. It's an adult. (0:40:55)

And he can tell by the hoof prints in the snow, it's running. So it's, which is not normal for what cows do in snowstorms, but it's running in a snowstorm. And all of a sudden the tracks stop, like the wolf tracks did. And there's nowhere the cow could have gone. He would have seen where it went because there's snow all over the ground. (0:41:14)

And so he's going like, what, did an aircraft come along and pick up this thousand pound cow while it was running? He's like, what could do that? I mean, not even helicopters, typical helicopters couldn't lift that much weight. (0:41:25)

And even so, how would he get the cow in the middle of running? Well, one theory that gets proposed is maybe it didn't get picked up. Maybe it ran through one of the portals we're going to talk about in a minute. But some of the cows just disappeared and he never learned what happened to them. Other cows were mutilated. So animal mutilation comes in at this point. (0:41:57)

And this is a phenomenon that is talked about here in the Southwest and the Western United States. Ranchers are familiar with this. You will find an animal dead in really weird circumstances where it's not predators. Predators leave bite marks and claw marks and things like that. And they leave blood all over the place. And so you'll find animals that don't fit that profile. (0:42:28)

They'll be like drained of blood. They will have certain organs cut out, frequently the eyes, the tongue, the rectum and reproductive system, sometimes other stuff. And they'll be like cauterized and they'll be cut with surgical precision, like this would have taken a knife or a laser. There's no way an animal just biting and tearing would be able to do this. (0:42:53)

So cattle mutilations start happening on the ranch. And they happen in these weird circumstances. Once, Tom and his son are out riding, taking care of livestock, and they see a heifer that's down in a muddy canal. And there's a little water in the canal, but not a lot. The heifer is down there. (0:43:12)

The heifer is distressed, it's bellowing, it doesn't want to be in the canal. But they have something else they have to attend to first. And so they go to deal with that. And then Tom's son comes back. And 20 minutes later, and the heifer is dead. And the heifer has had its rear end carved out. (0:43:34)

So within 20 minutes, something killed this heifer and carved it up. Without them seeing it. Multiple times when they would find an animal mutilated, they would see lights like orbs beforehand, the night beforehand. And they would seem to happen a lot in thunderstorms for some reason, which could bring to mind ball lightning. But then how does ball lightning cause animal mutilations? In one instance, they had a really strong chemical smell and a brown liquid that they found on the animal after it had been mutilated. (0:44:12)

And they went back to get this was, I believe, just Tom himself at this time, he went back to get a jar to take a sample of the brown liquid, but it evaporated before he could get back. He couldn't get a sample. One instance that happens, and you'll see this in the documentary Hunt for the Skinwalker, they have footage of this, is of the aftermath of an incident involving a black Angus calf. (0:44:37)

At the time, Terry and his wife were out tagging their new calves. So you like, you're putting a tag through one of their ears. It's the modern equivalent of branding as an identifying mark and a mark of ownership. So they're out tagging these calves, and they tag this one black Angus calf. And then they move off into the field. (0:45:00)

The calf weighs about 84 pounds at this point. They move off in the field to tag other calves. 40 minutes later, within eyeshot of the original calf they tag, they look back and the calf is dead. And it's been exsanguinated. It doesn't have blood around. (0:45:13)

And it's been cut up. Of its 84 pounds, 40 of them are missing. And so they got nids out here, and they're just within eyesight. They're just a few hundred feet off tagging other calves. And when all this goes down, and the calf has been like ripped apart, its legs have been pulled out of the sockets, most of the middle of the body is gone. (0:45:40)

In the footage that they have in the documentary, it looks like, okay, you've got a head and some forelegs and some hind legs, and you've got a spine in the middle, and the rest of the body is gone. Also, the ear that they tagged has been cut off with surgical precision. It's like a knife slice through the ear or something. (0:46:06)

So this really weird thing happens. They have bunches of these cattle mutilations. Also, they had a weird event where, and this is another one that can go under the mental phenomenon, or phenomena. Terry and his wife are driving up to the ranch at one point, and they're driving past this corral where they have these like four prize bulls. This is during the nids phase, so they have some follow-up on this scientifically. (0:46:29)

They're driving past the corral, and Gwen says to Terry, boy, it would be really awful if we lost those bulls. Not like they haven't just recently lost other animals, you know, but these are their prize animals. And so they go about their business, and then 45 minutes later, they drive back past the corral. The bulls are not in it. (0:46:54)

And so they stop, and they look for the bulls. Well, there happens to be a metal trailer next to the corral, and somehow the bulls have gotten into the metal trailer, which is way too small for them. And, you know, they don't like being scrunched up together. So they should be panicking if they're in this confined space in this trailer. But they're just standing there, like they're hypnotized or something. (0:47:24)

And then as soon as Sherman makes a noise, the bulls then wake up and panic. And since Nids was there, they did some follow-up on this, and they found that the metal bars of the corral had been highly magnetized, and they remained magnetic for 48 hours. And then the magnetism faded away. Wow. There's another instance where, this one also goes with the invisible phenomena, there's another instance where there were a bunch of cows stampeding, and they separated into two groups around something that could not be seen. (0:48:06)

But the thing that could not be seen was a magnetic anomaly that they tracked with a compass as it moved for like 11 minutes. The compass pointed at it instead of at north. At the anomaly instead of at north. And then it moved, and they could follow it for like 11 minutes. Then there's the event that finally convinced Tom, now this is before some of the Nids events. (0:48:33)

There's the event that finally convinced Tom they needed to sell the ranch. He was out with his dogs one night, and he had these three dogs. They were really great. They loved the family. (0:48:46)

They were protective of the family. They were good guard dogs. They were good at herding the cattle. And the blue orbs show up. And the blue orbs, as they often did, start taunting the animals. The dogs are like snapping at the orb, and it's like raising up to where they can't get it, but then lowering down to where they could get it, and it's teasing them. (0:49:12)

And it starts to lure them, Tom realizes, or Terry realizes, towards a grove of trees. And the dogs go with the orb into the trees, and then he starts hearing the dogs screaming, like they're in mortal agony. He decides not to go into the grove of trees immediately. Yeah, I wouldn't either. Um, he waits till the next morning, and he goes into the grove of trees, and he finds three burned circles in the grass with the cremains of the dogs in the middle of the circles. (0:49:55)

So it's like this orb incinerated his dogs. And that's the moment he decides we've got to get out of here. Well, okay. And then you mentioned a portal-related event. What were those? I mentioned this last, not because it's the most dramatic, but because it's going to play a key role in possible interpretations. So at times, Tom would see, or Terry, I keep calling him both because I've read the book, but then I also know his real name. (0:50:15)

Um, he sees this orange circle in the sky, kind of like an orb, except it gets bigger. And it grows. And he would watch it. He'd see it a lot. He would sometimes watch it through a telescopic sight on his rifle. He would sometimes watch it through binoculars. It would get as big as the setting sun or the full moon. (0:50:43)

And sometimes it looked flattened or elongated, like a circle you're not seeing dead on, but at an angle. Once he saw blue sky through it. So it was like, it was night when he was seeing it. And he sees the orange thing and it grows. And in the center of it, he sees a blue sky. Um, he also on occasions would see it and it would look like a tunnel. (0:51:09)

But when you would go around, like he would, he would drive around the thing to see it from another angle and it would vanish. You'd see it from an angle. And then from another angle, um, you would, you would see maybe a little bit of light in the sky as, but you wouldn't see the full thing. (0:51:33)

And so he determined that it was really just from the perspective of the ranch house, that you could look straight down this thing. And sometimes he would see a black triangle or another black object comes zooming out of it really fast. Um, so it was like a tunnel or portal to somewhere according to him. Now that's what he reported. (0:51:58)

Once NIDS gets there, the NIDS scientists are out at night and they're using night vision binoculars. And one of them sees not up in the sky, but down close to the ground, a little light that expands and turns into a tunnel and something that looks like a six foot long, 400 pound black humanoid comes crawling out of it and then goes scampering off into the wilderness. (0:52:29)

And that's all that there is to that encounter. They go looking and they can't find anything. Um, also they noticed there was a pungent sulfur-like smell. (0:52:34)

Uh, associated with this one opening. So those are a range of the different major phenomena that have been reported at Skinwalker Ranch. Wow. Okay. So what are the theories that we have for this? Okay. Uh, first one, it's all a hoax. Okay. The, the Shermans were lying. Um, second one, it was hallucinations. Uh, third one, it's something supernatural. Fourth one, it's natural and it has to do with some kind of secret military program. (0:53:10)

Uh, next one, it's natural, but it involves a parallel world, either in another dimension or another planet or another time. Okay. And lastly, it's some combination of the above. So those are the theories. All right. This is perhaps the, uh, the creepiest episode we've done yet so far. Before we get... You see, you see why I wanted to do this episode. Yeah. Just the sheer volume of weirdness here. (0:53:36)

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So, uh, Jimmy, the, the, we have the, the, this background, these, this theories. Uh, so how about, uh, we examine the faith perspective first. What about the faith perspective? So one of the things that, um, that a lot of people may think of is, okay, so they had this weird kind of poltergeist-like phenomena happening around the house where objects would vanish and reappear elsewhere. (0:55:08)

The groceries that had been unpacked would get repacked. That sounds kind of like a poltergeist, which sounds like it might be a demon. And then in the last of the tunnel incidents I mentioned, there's this sulfur smell and you see this black humanoid thing wriggling out of the tunnel and go running off in the night through the night vision goggles. Um, well, could it be demons? (0:55:31)

Sure. It could be, but demons don't normally leave physical traces like this. And a lot of the things that they saw looked like hardware, like the RV aircraft and the other aircraft, and even the blue orbs. Um, NIDS got a lot of this, a lot of this, some of this anyway on, we're able to record some of it. (0:56:00)

And we don't have a sense of like, if it's demons, what are the demons trying to do here? Demons want to lead you away from God. That doesn't seem to have been part of, part of what was happening here. There really wasn't any discussion. I mean, they were, these are fallen away Mormons. They're not really practicing their faith already. (0:56:22)

And, um, and they're not led further away from it by what happens. So since we don't have like a possession with a demon taking credit for this stuff, it's kind of hard to pin this on demons, given all the technology that seems to be associated with this stuff. (0:56:34)

That doesn't seem to be the most likely explanation. Then let's approach it from the reason perspective. What, what, what do you have, you've mentioned that the one of these is a hoax. Yeah. So, and this is something they talk about in Hunt for, in the book, Hunt for the Skinwalker, uh, Colm Kelleher is very straightforward about this. A lot of people, especially folks who are more skeptical are going to, this is going to be their first thing. (0:56:58)

It's like, okay, a lot of this happened before nids got there. It dropped off noticeably once nids did get there. Maybe this was all a hoax on the part of the Shermans. Uh, maybe they lied about what happened before they got there. Maybe they wanted to sell the land for financial reasons or something. (0:57:24)

And this was their story. Um, and then, uh, then they hoaxed a little bit of stuff after nids got there. Okay. So possible, um, number of counterpoints. They didn't invent the reputation this land had. It already had that reputation. It was already known as being in the path of the Skinwalker way before they got there. (0:57:46)

They didn't cause all the UFO sightings in the area in the Uintah Basin in the sixties and seventies. And, and I really didn't mention this for reasons of time, although we kind of alluded to it. This is not the only place in Uintah County where weird stuff happens. This is just the epicenter. Other, other ranches and places in the area have weird stuff like this, just not as much. And the Shermans didn't invent all that. (0:58:08)

Also, they didn't seek publicity on this. They all, they, they did it once when they were looking to get out of the property, but then they had, they made a lateral trade. They just moved 25 miles away. They bought another ranch. So they, they didn't like get rich out of this or get out of, you know, um, a big debt from what I've been able to tell. (0:58:32)

They, they traded one ranch for another and in the same region. Um, also the stuff did continue to happen in the NIDS period. And you could say, well, maybe, maybe Terry Sherman hoaxed that somehow, but then how did he do it? Right. Some of that stuff is hard to explain. How, how does, how does Terry Sherman create something you can, infrared orbs you can see on infrared cameras, but not with your eyes? (0:58:58)

How does he, uh, create a magnetic anomaly you can track for 11 minutes with a compass? How does he, um, create a tunnel that you can see through night vision goggles that something wriggles out of and runs off? He's a talented ranger, but he's not, you know, not a special effects wizard. Right, right. (0:59:23)

Okay. So then you mentioned possible hallucinations. Yeah. Um, so, you know, hallucinations could explain any individual thing because people, you know, we have dream centers in our brains that produce dreams. And sometimes we have a malfunction where we start dreaming when we're awake and we hallucinate. Um, okay. Normally that happens in people who have other forms of mental illness. (0:59:45)

And so far as it has been as indicated by Humphrey the Skinwalker, the Shermans don't have a history of mental illness. Also hallucinations can be induced by things like infrasound or hallucinogens in the environment. NIDS checked for those and they could not find any evidence of infrasound or phenomena or hallucinogens in the environment. (1:00:06)

Also, there doesn't appear to be any such thing as a collective hallucination where you have multiple people hallucinating the same thing at the same time. But multiple of these events were seen by groups of people, including the NIDS scientists, which then brings us to NIDS has physical and video evidence that they took that you can't just say, well, they were hallucinating this. It's on film or they have it in their readings. (1:00:36)

They measured the magnetization of these bars and how it dropped off over the next two days. Um, some of the things that NIDS reported, like the mental phenomena, like the telepathic message, the physicist thought he got, okay, that could be hallucination. All of the mental stuff, you know, we felt abnormally calm, we felt abnormally scared, you know, all of that you could kind of dismiss, but not everything goes in that category. And the stuff they got physical records of is harder to dismiss as hallucinatory. (1:01:05)

And then another possible explanation was the military being involved. Yeah. And Sherman, this was actually his first thought. He thought the military is here and they're doing something. They're messing with us for some reason. Um, so actually some of the people involved took this quite seriously and NIDS checked it out too. Um, they weren't able to find any evidence that our military was doing this though. (1:01:34)

Um, you might say, well, why would the military want to do this to someone? One proposal that you might call the Scooby-Doo hypothesis. It's the classic thing that happens in Scooby-Doo. Someone wants to buy someone else's property and so they hoax weird stuff to drive the price down or to get someone to abandon their property. So maybe the military is doing a Scooby-Doo on the Shermans because they want the land. (1:01:57)

Problem is, why don't they just use imminent domain? There are lots of other situations where the government wants land and they just take it. They compensate you, but they take it. Um, this happened, this is notorious for happening around Area 51. Out in Nevada, there is a family, there's actually more than one, but there was a family that had a mining interest on the edge of Area 51. They'd been working this mine for like a hundred years in their family or something. (1:02:24)

Area 51 starts expanding, decides the mine is too close. They don't want these people looking at them. They take the land. And so the government, if the military just wanted this, wanted Skinwalker Ranch, they could have taken it through presumably any number of legal or quasi-legal means, including imminent domain. Plus, again, the long game, this isn't just during the 18 months that the Gormans owned this property. There's a long history in this location of the phenomenon. (1:02:52)

Right. Now, another reason that the government might want to do this is because they're doing an experiment. Maybe they're experimenting on the Shermans with all this stuff they're doing. (1:03:06)

How plausible is that? Well, it's somewhat... I mean, there's an initial surface level plausibility. We do know the government has experimented on people without their knowledge or consent. And we're going to be talking about that in future episodes. We're going to be talking about, for example, the MKULTRA project that the CIA ran that experimented on people. There are others as well, including medical experiments like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, where the pretended to treat black men with syphilis and didn't to see what would happen. (1:03:41)

And that ran from 1932 to 1972. So within 20 years or so of these events, we know the government was also experimenting on people without their consent. So there is a surface level of plausibility, but here we've got a really small sample size. There's just this one family. And what are you trying to do as a result of this experiment? What's the point? What are you trying to prove? It's not like you're testing truth serums on these people like MKULTRA, where you have a definable goal. (1:04:16)

This is more like just messing with people. Now, you could say, well, it's a deception of some kind. Maybe it's part of UFO disinformation. And we know there are other cases, and we'll talk about these, like the Richard Bennewitz case, where the military has hoaxed UFO stuff to throw people off the trail of actual classified projects. Maybe that's going on here. Okay, well, then if it's just UFO disinformation, why not hoax a few UFOs? Why the whole range of stuff that's happening? And then lastly, if our military is responsible, how did they do all this in the 90s? Do we have this technology that could make things invisible and make blue orbs capable of incinerating dogs or tunnels in the sky? What technology exactly did we have in the 90s that could do this? Or today. (1:05:20)

Or today for some of that. Yeah. Although at least today we have an idea how we could do invisibility one day through metamaterials, but it's not there yet. And then there was, you mentioned the parallel world theory. Yeah. So, you know, if you say, I mean, you have kind of a basic choice of if you say the reported phenomena, not in all the details, but they're either basically correct. (1:05:44)

The accounts of all this stuff is either basically correct or basically incorrect. If it's basically correct, what best explains this? It seems to me the answer would be some kind of bridge to another world, either a parallel world in another dimension or another planet or this planet in another time or some combination of those. But the portals that they encountered, if those accounts are accurate, you could explain a lot of these other phenomena based on that. (1:06:23)

You can explain the unseen events based on the fact that you have somebody, perhaps someone else's military or our military in the future with invisibility technology. You can explain the advanced aircraft with the advanced technology. (1:06:40)

You could explain the orbs with advanced technology from another place. You could explain the weird animals as coming from another place. So it seems to me that the portal-like experiences really let you explain a lot of this if you think those are credible. If you don't think they're credible, then you have to look for another explanation like a hoax or a hallucination or a military experiment or something. (1:07:13)

But just to consider every possibility, if the portal experiences are credible, then my bet would be it's a bridge to another world. And specifically, since it seems earthly, it's got a blue sky, it has animals that are similar to ours, but different. I would think either our future or a parallel earth. So just taking... and I'm not... believe me, I'm not saying that's what this is. (1:07:41)

I'm just saying if you take the claims at face value, that is what they would seem to point to. So that brings us to the last one, which is, well, could it be some combination of these things? And the answer is, sure, maybe some things were hoaxed. Maybe some things were hallucinations. You know, the mental phenomena, I've already said those could all just be subjective misimpressions. (1:08:03)

Maybe the military was messing with people. Maybe, you know, it could be a combination of things. But simpler explanations are the ones to be preferred. And if you have a range of weird phenomena in a single place in a single time frame, rather than postulating multiple causes, you want to consider is there one cause that could explain all of it? So, Jimmy, what is your bottom line when it comes to all of this? I have no clue. (1:08:37)

It's, I mean, you know, the skeptic in me wants to say just dismiss the whole thing as hoax or hallucination or military disinformation. But it's hard to see how our military could do all of this. And it's hard to dismiss it all as hoax or hallucination, because NIDS got, you know, not a lot, but they got some of this on record. (1:08:56)

They took readings, they took video, and something was happening. You'd have to have the Gormans, NIDS, possibly the military, all these people in on the hoax together. For what purpose? For what purpose? So I do not know what's going on at Skinwalker Ranch or what has been going on. A surface reading of the evidence, at least as of the reports, would suggest parallel world involvement. (1:09:32)

But it's also really hard for me to say, oh, there's a parallel world, and it's been breaking through at Skinwalker Ranch. That's, in some ways, a solid conclusion for me, Jimmy, would be reassuring. But in some ways, having it open-ended is also very interesting and allows for lots of speculation. So if folks wanted to dig into this for themselves and to find out more, what are your further resources that you'd like to offer? So I have links to Wikipedia's entries on Skinwalker Ranch and on NIDS. I will have a link to the book Hunt for the Skinwalker, which, as I said, is by Tom Kelleher and George Knapp. So it's the most reputable book that there's going to be on this. (1:10:13)

There are other books, but these guys were pros who were involved in the situation. Also, there's the Jeremy Corbell documentary, also called Hunt for the Skinwalker, where you get to see some old reports of George Knapp's reporting on Skinwalker Ranch back in the 90s, as well as interviews with the NIDS scientists and a discussion of what's happening today, including a kind of disguised interview with the current owner. (1:10:35)

I have a link to the original Deseret or Desiree News article where the Gormans or the Shermans went public about this. There's also an amateur investigator site at SkinwalkerRanch.org that I'll have a link to. And then lastly, a Google Maps aerial view of Skinwalker Ranch so you can look at the place on Google Maps from their satellite perspective. (1:10:59)

That's Skinwalker Ranch, folks. Before we close out, of course, we want to do as you usually do. We want to go through some of your mysterious feedback. (1:11:03)

And so our first bit of feedback comes from the Akhenaten episode. Paul writes on Facebook, this was a fascinating listen. Looking forward to further podcasts on ancient Egypt. History is amazing. I agree. History is awesome. It's history is stories and stories are awesome. And I like stories about ancient Egypt. Egypt is a fascinating and mysterious place. And in the not too distant future, we're going to be we will have more Egypt episodes, including next up is going to be King Tut's murder. King Tut murder theory. (1:11:37)

All right. And then Claire Cappenham writes on YouTube, please do a full episode on the chronology of Joseph Moses in Egypt. I saw a documentary that suggested 1450 was a better date for the exodus than the later date, but I don't know how to judge the quality of the scholarship. I'd love to get Jimmy's take. (1:11:57)

So what Claire is referring to is the date that the exodus would have occurred. And there is a difference of scholarly opinion. Of course, skeptical scholars may say, oh, there never was an exodus. But I think there was. And I think there's good reason to think that. The question is when it happened. And there are sort of two major camps. (1:12:17)

One group says it happened in the 1400s BC. Another major group, and that's the traditional view. Another major group that's the more popular one today says it happened in the 1200s BC. I actually love biblical chronology, but my main area of focus thus far has been New Testament chronology. I know that really well. I'm presently doing research on Old Testament chronology, including the chronology of the exodus. (1:12:41)

And so I hope to do deal with that in the future. Then Aaron Wood writes on YouTube, an exodus episode would be great. I know that there are many secular scholars who deny that the exodus didn't even happen at all. So I would love to get some more information about the history of this time. (1:13:01)

By the way, I favor the early date for exodus. And as I mentioned, that is the traditional date, even if it's not the most popular one among scholars today. If you, we will do an exodus episode in the future. If you would like more information that I've written about it, Google Jimmy Akin exodus, and you'll come across some of the arguments for why I think, even from a skeptical perspective, we should conclude that yes, the exodus did occur. (1:13:26)

You can't just dismiss it. And then we have another comment, but I'll let you read that and respond to Jimmy. So Leon Caruthers on YouTube had made a comment on our astrology episode, and he had referenced some studies that suggested there were connections between life outcomes and the month you're born in. And I, in a previous episode dealing with his feedback, I said, well, I'm open to that, but I'd like to see these studies. (1:13:49)

Can you, can you point me to some? So he did. He linked a study from the United Kingdom, and he says in his new comment, it's data mining, not an experiment per se, but it's relevant to the question of how birth month or at least season might affect the patterns of our lives, even including the amount of education we seek, which could in turn be a factor of birth month combined with when our culture starts formal education. (1:14:20)

And I know that because I have a birthday that's kind of right on the edge of do we send him to school this year or wait till next year for first grade? Well, I took a look at the study and it's a UK study on season of birth, birth weight, pubertal timing, that is when you begin puberty, adult body size and educational attainment. And what they found is that birth season does have an impact on some of these things. Quoting from part of the abstract, they said individuals born in summer, June, July, August had a higher mean birth weight compared to those born in all other seasons. (1:15:00)

There is a general consensus that season of birth influences the risk of developing psychiatric conditions later in life. We aimed to investigate whether the risk of schizophrenia, bipolar affective disorder, and recurrent depressive disorder is influenced by month of birth in England to a similar extent as other countries. And they concluded that it was. Now, I was particularly interested because astrology doesn't so much have to do with your height as it does your personality, at least as it's classically done. So I was particularly interested in the psychological aspects of this. (1:15:39)

So I found a further study from this one that's on seasonal distribution of psychiatric births in England. And according to the abstract for this one, our findings provide support for the fetal programming hypothesis, refining and extending the impact that season of birth has on childhood growth and development. While other mechanisms may contribute to these associations, the findings are consistent with a possible role of in utero vitamin D exposure. (1:16:23)

So vitamin D is made by the skin in exposure to sunlight. That's why people from northern climates tend to be white because they need to absorb more sunlight to get the vitamin D out of it. And so you could see how seasons would have... because they have... if you're in northern or very highly northern or very low southern latitudes, you're going to have significantly more or less light in summer and winter. (1:16:50)

That's going to affect the amount of vitamin D the mother is making, which is then going to affect the amount of vitamin D the unborn baby is exposed to. And that could then set up these other things, including birth weights and timing of puberty and height and potential psychiatric disorders. So we're not talking... and Leon Carruthers acknowledges this... we're not talking planets are doing this to you. (1:17:16)

It's not like the position of Jupiter is doing this. This would be through mechanisms like the amount of heat and light that your mother is getting at the time you're in the womb. But it still does show that there can be some kind of seasonal correlations between when you're born, your birth month, and what some patterns in your life may be. (1:17:40)

So in Mysterious Headlines, we'll have links to both of those studies. So folks, that's it from us on this topic. (1:17:46)

These topics... actually, that's almost like a whole other second set of fascinating information and mystery right there. You get two of them in one show. So what did you think, though, about the mystery of Skinwalker Ranch? What's your theory? What do you think is really going on? Is it a hoax? A portal to another world? Let us know. (1:18:09)

Go to sqpn.com or to the Jimmy Akins Mysterious World Facebook page and you can leave a comment on the show that's linked there. You can send us an email to mysterious at sqpn.com or send a tweet to our Twitter account at mys underscore world or you could use the hashtag on Twitter of hashtag mysterious feedback. Any of those methods is a great way of getting in touch with us and letting us know, giving us your feedback on the show. (1:18:40)

Please, if you can, this is a great example of this episode of the sort of stuff we're doing that is unlike anything else out there, frankly, that I've been able to find. I mean, there are other shows that cover mysteries and that sort of stuff, but nothing like the way Jimmy does here. And so share the show with your friends. They're going to love it. And there's such a variety of topics. There's something for everyone. (1:18:57)

So please share the podcast with your friends and write reviews on iTunes or wherever you get your podcast. They all have ways of leaving reviews. That helps us grow our community of listeners, provides better feedback, gets it out to more folks and even more resources. Sometimes people write in with sources for Jimmy to use when he does some of his investigations. Yeah, like Leon did. (1:19:18)

Exactly. And we also want to thank our patrons for voting Skinwalker Ranch and for voting Copper Skull last week. Yes, exactly. So please help us grow this community and help support the show and reach more listeners. You can find links to all of the resources Jimmy mentioned from our discussion and links to those mysterious headlines on our show notes at sqpn.com slash mysterious. Until next time, Jimmy Akin, thank you for exploring with us our mysterious world. (1:19:48)

Thank you, Dom. And once again, I'm Dom Bettinelli. Thank you for listening to Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World on StarQuest. (1:19:55)

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