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Bill Holden の証言する UFO/ET 遭遇体験

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前置き​

Bill Holden が語り手、Kerry Cassidy が聞き手。今回は AI で整理した。

なお、過去記事(*1) で Bill Holden の証言は捏造だと指摘している。

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概要​

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「UFOとET現象の真実：ビル・ホールデンの証言」からの抜粋は、‌‌ビル・ホールデン‌‌氏の軍歴と、彼が経験したとされる‌‌UFOと地球外生命体（ET）との複数の遭遇‌‌について詳述しています。

彼は、‌‌ケネディ大統領‌‌との会話中にUFOに関する新聞記事を共有したことや、‌‌F-104スターファイター‌‌での飛行中に遭遇した‌‌円盤型の飛行物体‌‌、さらには‌‌ライト・パターソン空軍基地のブルーハンガー‌‌でETとUFOを目撃したという機密任務について語っています。

ホールデン氏はまた、自身の‌‌軍事機密保持契約（NDA）‌‌について触れ、退役後にこれらの経験を公に語り始めた理由を説明しており、彼が自身に埋め込まれていると感じている‌‌インプラント‌‌についても言及しています。

この証言は、‌‌米国政府がUFOとETの存在を国民に開示する準備ができているか‌‌を探る試みの一環として、軍が選ばれた個人を「テスト対象」として使用した可能性についての彼の信念を掘り下げています。

目次​

  1. 前置き
    1. (*1)
  2. 概要
  3. 詳細
    1. 1. UFO・ET現象に関する政府の隠蔽と大衆への情報開示
    2. 2. ビル・ホールデン氏の個人的なUFO・ET遭遇体験
    3. 3. 歴史と隠蔽工作、そして「スカンクワークス」に関する洞察
    4. 4. 軍事キャリアと情報開示への転換
    5. 結論
  4. ET フィギュア「エイリアンのアル」
  5. ゴードン・クーパー宇宙飛行士との友人関係
  6. 1971年夏の ET 遭遇
  7. ハワイ沖でのUFO目撃
  8. 時系列
  9. 主要関係者
  10. 情報源
  11. 文字起こし

詳細​

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要約ブリーフィング資料：「UFOとET現象の真実：ビル・ホールデンの証言」

本ブリーフィング資料は、ビル・ホールデン氏がケリー・キャシディ氏との対談で語った、UFO、ET現象、そして政府の隠蔽工作に関する証言の主要なテーマと重要な事実をレビューするものである。ホールデン氏は、アメリカ空軍に所属していた時期に複数の個人的な遭遇体験をし、大統領との会話、そして公に語られることのない軍事作戦に携わった経験を持つ。

1. UFO・ET現象に関する政府の隠蔽と大衆への情報開示​

ホールデン氏の証言の中心にあるのは、UFO・ET現象に関する政府、特に米国における隠蔽工作の存在である。

  • JFK暗殺の動機: ホールデン氏は、ケネディ大統領が「我々自身の人々によって殺害された」と断言し、その理由が3つあると信じている。オズワルドは「お飾り」に過ぎなかったと述べている (0:01:01)。詳細な理由は明かされていないが、この発言は、UFO・ET情報開示への大統領の関与が暗殺の背景にあった可能性を強く示唆している。
  • 情報開示への大衆の準備: ホールデン氏は、なぜ軍が特定のミッションに彼らを参加させたのかという問いに対し、「国民がUFOとET現象について知る準備ができているか、彼らは我々の反応を見たいのだ」と推測している (0:43:29)。これは、政府が段階的に情報を開示する可能性を探っているという考えを示唆する。
  • 非米国における情報開示の度合い: ホールデン氏は、ヨーロッパやメキシコなどではUFOや経験について実際の写真を掲載し、詳細を語ることに問題がない点を指摘している。「それはフロントページだ。最後のセクションの96ページではない」(0:10:34)。これは、米国政府の隠蔽政策が国際的な標準ではないことを示している。
  • 証言の動機: ホールデン氏は「真実が知られるべきだ」という信念のもと、1995年から公に証言を始めたと述べている。「私の講演ツアーが始まった時、それは『真実を知らしめよう』ということだった。それが私の気持ちだ。知られるべきだ」(0:00:46, 0:31:59)。

2. ビル・ホールデン氏の個人的なUFO・ET遭遇体験​

ホールデン氏は、軍歴中に少なくとも4回、退役後に3回の顕著なUFO・ET遭遇体験を持つ。

  • F-104 スターファイターでの追跡 (1962年8月): ドイツのツヴァイブリュッケン空軍基地付近で、F-104戦闘機に搭乗中に「奇妙な形の機体」を視認し、パイロットと共に追跡を試みた。その機体は世界最速とされるF-104を遥かに凌駕する速度で「瞬時に消えた」(0:07:44)。帰還後、上官から「今日見たものは見ていないし、誰にも話すな」と厳しく緘口令を敷かれた (0:08:18)。ホールデン氏はこの出来事を「隠蔽とは何か、という実際の真の導入だった」と語る (0:08:08)。この機体は「空飛ぶ円盤だった」(0:09:07)。
  • ケネディ大統領とのUFOに関する会話 (1963年6月): ワイースバーデン空軍基地でエアフォース・ワンの客室乗務員として勤務中、ケネディ大統領とUFOに関する会話を交わした。前日の地元英字新聞の一面に「アウトバーン上空にUFOが2機目撃された」という写真付きの記事が掲載されており、大統領がそれを見てホールデン氏に意見を求めた。ホールデン氏が「世界で我々だけが知的な存在だと信じるのは信じられない」と答えると、大統領は「君の言う通りだ、若者よ」と応じた (0:03:07-0:04:16)。この会話は「トップハット」という最高機密以上のクリアランス（大統領機内での会話は一切外部に漏らさないという責任）の下で行われた (0:05:27)。
  • グレイ型ETと未確認飛行物体の目撃 (1966年夏): コロラドスプリングスのピーターソン飛行場でADC司令官のために飛行する特殊任務に就いた際、20年間の非開示契約 (NDA) に署名させられた (0:12:00)。任務は高官や科学者を乗せてライト・パターソン空軍基地（リバース・エンジニアリングが行われているとされる「ブルーハンガー」がある場所）からシャイアン・マウンテン、そしてホワイト・サンズへと移動するものであった。ホワイト・サンズではバスに乗せられ、目隠しされた状態で移動し、「箱型の峡谷」内のサイトで、2機のグレイ型ETとUFOを目撃した (0:16:15-0:17:17)。ETは「身長約5フィート」で、「大きな頭、大きな黒い目、小さな口、小さな鼻」を持ち、「肌は青白い色」をしていた (0:17:17-0:17:48)。彼らの動きは「非常に優雅」であった (0:19:56)。
  • ハワイ沖でのUFO浮上・潜水目撃 (1966年秋): 別の非開示契約ミッションで、今回は海軍高官や科学者と共に、ハワイのヒッカム空軍基地から未確認の場所へ飛行した。午前7時過ぎに「観測デッキ」から「ダブル楕円形の円盤型機体」が海中から浮上し、空中で停止し、その後瞬時に消え、再び出現して様々な機動を見せた後、音もなく海中に戻っていくのを目撃した (0:22:52-0:24:05)。機体の大きさは「全長約50～60フィート」と推定される (0:24:36)。後日、宇宙飛行士のゴードン・クーパー氏から、電磁推進には「サンドイッチのようにその機体を包む力場がある」ため、水中への出入り時に爆発や水しぶきが見られない、という説明を得た (0:24:46)。ホールデン氏はこの機体をETが操縦していると理解していたが、現在では米国も同種の技術を保有している可能性があると述べている (0:25:21)。
  • インプラントとテレパシーによるメッセージ (1971年夏): フロリダ州ココアビーチのパトリック空軍基地勤務中、釣りの最中に「台座のテーブル」に乗せられ、UFO内部にいることに気づいた。ドーム型の天井と、左側に「2人の背の低い者と1人の背の高い者」（身長約3.5～5フィート）の3人のETがいた。彼らはテレパシーで、「母なる地球を破壊するのをやめなさい」「お互いを愛することを学びなさい」「精神的および心のハーモニクスをより高いレベルに引き上げなさい」というメッセージを伝えた (0:29:50-0:31:00)。この体験後、左腕に約1インチの長さで幅約3/8インチのインプラントが発見されたが、ホールデン氏はこれを「祝福」として除去していない (0:31:59)。
  • モハーヴェ砂漠での巨大な長方形クラフト目撃 (1978年): 退役後の1978年、カリフォルニア州ランカスター近郊の「マーズ・ヒル」で友人とバーベキュー中に、上空を移動する「フットボール場ほどの大きさの、長方形の機体」を目撃した (0:45:16)。目撃した女性の髪の毛が「電子的なものででも持っているように、まっすぐに上に逆立っていた」(0:45:16)と描写しており、何らかの電磁的な影響があった可能性を示唆している。ホールデン氏自身も翌朝「ひどい日焼け」のような状態になった (0:45:45)。彼はこの機体を「間違いなく我々のものじゃない。マザーシップだ」と述べている (0:46:41)。
  • オレンジ色のオーブと巨大な光の脈動 (1991年～1993年): 1991年秋、カリフォルニア州シルバーレイクスで、オレンジ色の「巨大なオーブ」が雲の中へ上昇していくのを目撃した (0:50:16)。1993年には、妻と共に外出中、空に「巨大な明るい光」が現れ、それが脈動し、時速100マイル以上で走行する車を追い越して「あっという間に消えた」(0:51:54)。この現象は翌日の新聞にも掲載されたという (0:52:55)。

3. 歴史と隠蔽工作、そして「スカンクワークス」に関する洞察​

ホールデン氏は、自身の経験と研究から、地球と人類の歴史、そして現代における軍事的な隠蔽工作について独自の解釈を持っている。

  • ナスカの地上絵とマチュ・ピチュの壁画 (1973年): 軍務の一環としてペルーへ民間撮影隊を連れて行き、ナスカの地上絵やマチュ・ピチュの壁画を目にする機会があった。壁画には「ヘルメットをかぶった人物」や「機体」の絵が「数億年前」と日付が記されていた (0:34:34-0:35:13)。
  • 古人類の遺骨: リマの建物で「2万年、2万5千年」前のものとされる骨格を目撃し、聖書の「6000年」という記述と矛盾することに直面した。彼は聖書を「地球を離れる前の基本的な指示」と解釈し、戦争ではなく愛と共存を説くものだと考えている (0:35:48-0:37:35)。ホールデン氏は、現在では8万年、10万年前の遺骨が発見されていることを指摘し、地球の歴史は「何百万年も古い」ものであり、「これら他の文明は我々以前から存在していた」と主張している (0:37:35)。
  • UFO墜落の原因: 1947年のロズウェル事件やその他の場所での墜落事故について、ホールデン氏は「ニューメキシコ北西部に設置された巨大なレーダードーム」が原因だったと説明している。「UFOがそこを飛ぶたびに、それらは突然めちゃくちゃになり、制御不能になった」と述べている (0:40:50-0:41:59)。
  • アイゼンハワー大統領とETとの合意: 1953年か54年にアイゼンハワー大統領がエドワーズ空軍基地でETと会見し、合意が交わされたという歴史的事実を支持している。その際、「マザーシップ」と「多数のUFO」が飛来し、基地が3日間閉鎖されたという (0:46:41-0:48:07)。ホールデン氏は基地が3日間閉鎖されたことは「市民記録や新聞記事」で確認できたと述べるが、当時の基地歴史家は行方不明であるという (0:48:12)。
  • 家畜の虐殺とレーザー実験: 「1万頭の牛が虐殺され、誰もその方法を説明できなかった」事件について、それは「レーザー実験」であり、「人間に対してテストせずにテストできる唯一の方法」だったと述べている (0:48:54)。
  • ロッキード・スカンクワークスとUFO関連技術: 1996年、ロッキード・スカンクワークスを訪れた際、敷地の外で「高熱で焼かれた」岩や、アルカリ堆積物の円形の跡を発見した。これは「レーダー試験施設」という公式説明に疑問を抱かせ、より高度な技術実験が行われている可能性を示唆している (0:56:04-0:59:31)。

4. 軍事キャリアと情報開示への転換​

ホールデン氏の軍歴は、彼のUFO・ET現象への深い関与を裏付けている。

  • キャリアとクリアランス: 空軍のロードマスター兼フライトスチュワード、特殊空挺任務を担当していた。大統領機に搭乗するためには「EBI（広範な身元調査）」と「トップシークレット」クリアランスが必要であった (0:27:19)。大統領機搭乗時は「トップハット」と呼ばれる、トップシークレット以上のクリアランスが必要とされた (0:05:27)。
  • 情報開示への転換点: 1995年、ロッキー財団が主催した「機密会議」に招待されたことが、公に証言を始めるきっかけとなった (0:53:17)。この会議にはボブ・ディーン、KGB将校2名、ロシア人宇宙飛行士、ロズウェル事件に関わった人物らが参加しており、墜落したUFOの「象形文字が刻まれたI字梁のようなもの」が披露された。ホールデン氏はこの象形文字が「フェニキアのサンスクリット文字」に一致すると指摘している (0:53:54-0:55:02)。
  • 公衆講演の始まり: この会議の後、メスキートで開催された国際UFO会議に個人的に招待され、それが彼の公衆講演活動の始まりとなった (0:59:31)。会議主催者のボブ・ブラウンが機密会議にも出席していたという (1:00:10)。
  • 脅迫: 1996年か97年に、講演活動をやめるよう脅迫された経験がある。黒いフォードに乗った男が自宅に現れ、講演内容の変更を「強く勧め」てきたが、ホールデン氏は「逮捕令状や大統領令がない限り、私に口出しするな」と毅然と反論し、相手を退けた (1:01:35)。この出来事以来、脅迫は受けていないという (1:02:56)。
  • JFK暗殺への見解: 再び、ケネディ大統領が「我々自身の人々によって殺害された」と断言している (1:03:54)。暗殺の具体的な「3つの理由」は伏せているが、これはUFO・ET現象の隠蔽と深く関わっている可能性を強く示唆する。

結論​

ビル・ホールデン氏の証言は、UFO・ET現象が単なる都市伝説や陰謀論の領域を超え、米軍の最高機密レベルで扱われてきた現実の事象であることを示唆している。

彼の経験は、政府の隠蔽工作、ETとの接触、そして人類の歴史と未来に対する深い疑問を投げかける。特に、JFK暗殺とUFO情報の関連性、ETからの警告メッセージ、そしてインプラントの存在は、この問題の持つ複雑さと重要性を浮き彫りにする。ホールデン氏の「真実が知られるべきだ」という揺るぎない信念は、情報開示への切実な願いを表している。

ET フィギュア「エイリアンのアル」​

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UFO情報の公開推進というより大きな文脈において、「エイリアンのアル」というETフィギュアは、‌‌ビル・ホールデン氏の個人的なET体験の信憑性を裏付け、UFOとET現象の存在を一般に知らせる彼の使命の一部として機能しています‌‌。

ホールデン氏は、ビクタービルのステートフェアでこのETフィギュア「エイリアンのアル」を発見しました。彼は、棚にあった3つの頭部のうちの1つを見たとき、それが「本物のグレイリング（エイリアンの種類）」に非常に近いことに気づき、‌‌「非常にユニーク」だと感じました‌‌。

このフィギュアが本物に近いと感じた理由は以下の通りです。

  • ホールデン氏は、その作者が本物のグレイリングについて知っていた証拠として、‌‌頭蓋骨の後ろの筋肉構造が「非常に真実」である‌‌ことを挙げました。彼は、実際にグレイエイリアンの後頭部を見た経験があると述べています。
  • ただし、彼はフィギュアの不正確な点も指摘しています。‌‌鼻が大きすぎる‌‌（実際は非常に小さな突出部）点と、‌‌唇が厚すぎる‌‌（実際はほぼ一直線の口）点です。

このフィギュアは、L. Carrという人物によって作られたものでした。

ホールデン氏は、‌‌1995年に分類会議に招待された後、UFOやET現象について公に話し始めました‌‌。彼の講演活動の目的は、「真実を知らせる」こと、つまり「UFOとET現象が真実であり、現実のものであることを世界が知ることが重要である」という信念に基づいています。

「エイリアンのアル」は、彼のこうした情報公開活動と密接に関連しています。

  • イギリスの新聞「Evening Gazette」が1997年11月12日に、ホールデン氏の講演について報じた際、‌‌新聞の左上隅にはホールデン氏とこの「彫刻、あるいはマスク」の写真が掲載されました‌‌。これは、彼がこのフィギュアを自身の講演や広報活動で活用し、自身の体験を視覚的に裏付ける証拠として用いていたことを示唆しています。
  • 彼が「真実を知らせる」という目的で講演ツアーを開始した際、彼はET現象の最新の話題を提供する人物として招待されました。‌‌このフィギュアは、彼が目撃したETの姿と酷似していると感じたため、彼の証言に具体性と視覚的なリアリティを与えるものとして利用されたと考えられます‌‌。

このように、「エイリアンのアル」は単なる物品ではなく、ホールデン氏が長年の軍事経験や個人的な目撃体験を通じて得たUFOとETに関する知識を一般に伝える上での、‌‌重要な視覚的ツールであり、彼の情報公開活動の象徴的な一部‌‌であったと言えます。

ゴードン・クーパー宇宙飛行士との友人関係​

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UFO情報の公開推進というより大きな文脈において、ビル・ホールデン氏とゴードン・クーパー宇宙飛行士との友人関係は、‌‌ホールデン氏自身のUFOおよびET現象に関する証言の信憑性を高め、これらの現象が現実のものであることを一般に知らせるという彼の使命を強力に後押しする役割‌‌を果たしています。

この友人関係の詳細は以下の通りです。

  • ホールデン氏は、‌‌1996年10月22日にゴードン・クーパー大佐（米国空軍NASA宇宙飛行士）とインタビューを行い、それ以来「非常に親しい友人関係」‌‌になりました。
  • クーパーはココアビーチに宇宙飛行士として駐在しており、ホールデンはパトリック空軍基地に駐在し、彼の最後の任務はアポロ13号ミッションであったと述べています。
  • ホールデン氏はクーパーを「非常に興味深い人物」「素晴らしい人物」と評しています。

この友人関係がUFO情報公開への推進において持つ意義は以下の通りです。

  • ホールデン氏の目的は、‌‌「UFOとET現象が真実であり、現実のものであることを世界が知ること」‌‌であり、「真実を知らせる」ために講演活動を行っています。
  • ゴードン・クーパー氏のような‌‌高名な宇宙飛行士がUFO現象に直接関わっていたという事実は、ホールデン氏の個人的な目撃体験や軍事経験に基づく証言に、計り知れないほどの信頼性‌‌を与えます。
  • ホールデン氏は、自身が1966年に目撃した、水から現れ、爆発やインプロージョンなしに水中に戻るクラフトについて、後にクーパー氏に尋ねています。
  • クーパー氏はその問いに対し、‌‌「電磁推進力を持つクラフトには力場があり、まるで『サンドイッチの中にある』ようであるため、水に出入りする際に爆発やインプロージョンは見えない」‌‌と説明しました。この説明は、ホールデン氏が目撃した現象の物理的側面を理解する上で役立ち、彼の体験が単なる錯覚ではなかったことを裏付けるものとなります。
  • さらに、クーパー氏はホールデン氏に対し、自身がエドワーズ空軍基地（旧マロック）に少佐として駐在していた際、‌‌実際にUFOが着陸し、そのクルーがクラフトの着陸、ドアの開閉、そして再離陸を撮影した‌‌ことを語っています。この直接的な目撃と記録の存在は、UFOの現実性を裏付ける‌‌極めて強力な証拠‌‌であり、ホールデン氏の「真実を知らせる」という活動に具体的な裏付けを与えます。
  • このように、ゴードン・クーパー氏との親密な関係と彼からの証言は、ホールデン氏が公にUFOとET現象について語る際に、彼の証言に権威ある裏付けを与え、‌‌一般の人々がこれらの現象を「真実であり、現実のものである」と認識するのを助ける大きな役割‌‌を果たしていると言えます。

##ホワイトサンズでの ET と UFO 目撃

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UFO情報公開推進というより大きな文脈において、1966年夏のコロラドスプリングスでの出来事、特にホワイトサンズでのETとUFOの目撃は、ビル・ホールデン氏が自身のUFOと地球外生命体（ET）現象に関する‌‌情報公開活動を行う上で、その活動の動機付けと信憑性を裏付ける極めて重要な体験‌‌でした。

この目撃の詳細と意義は以下の通りです。

  1. ‌‌任務への参加と事前準備‌‌

    • ホールデン氏は1966年夏、コロラドスプリングスのピーターソン飛行場に駐在し、ADC司令官の飛行任務に就き、空軍士官学校の支援も行っていました。
    • 彼の役職は‌‌ロードマスター、特殊空輸任務、フライトスチュワード‌‌でした（パイロットではない）。
    • 彼は「自発的な任務」として、ある部屋に一人で連れて行かれ、空軍中佐と面会しました。
    • この任務のために、‌‌20年間の機密保持契約書（NDA）に署名‌‌させられ、その契約には投獄や全権利の喪失を含む重い罰則が規定されていました。

  2. ‌‌ホワイトサンズへの移動と目的地の特定‌‌

    • ホールデン氏は、高位の軍関係者（准将、大佐）と高位の民間科学者や技術者をアンドルーズ空軍基地で迎え、彼らを搭乗させました。
    • 彼らはまずオハイオ州デイトンにある‌‌ライト・パターソン空軍基地‌‌へ向かいました。ここで同行者たちは「ブルーハンガー」と呼ばれる場所へ行きました。ホールデン氏は当時知らなかったものの、この「ブルーハンガー」は‌‌1940年代後半に墜落したUFOの逆行工学が行われていた場所‌‌として知られています。
    • その後、彼らはコロラドスプリングスの基地に戻り、同行者たちは空軍士官学校とNORAD本部のあるシャイアン・マウンテンを訪れました。
    • 最終目的地は‌‌ニューメキシコ州ホワイトサンズ‌‌でした。通常は航空機と共に基地に留まるはずのクルー全員が、‌‌真っ暗な窓のバスに乗せられ‌‌、目的地まで運ばれました。
    • バスの中では、軍服ではないカーキ色の服装をした武装警備員が乗り込み、乗員一人ひとりの軍事IDを確認しました。彼らは約45分から1時間移動しました。

  3. ‌‌ETとUFOの目撃‌‌

    • バスが到着し、一行は下車しました。一行は護衛されて、地面にあるUFOの場所へ向かいましたが、クルー（ホールデン氏ら）は離れた場所に留められました。
    • 現場は「ボックスキャニオン」内にあり、2つのクォンセットハットと別の建物、滑走路がありました。
    • ホールデン氏が目撃したのは、‌‌一機のUFOと、その近くにいた2体の地球外生命体（ET）‌‌でした。
    • ‌‌ETの描写‌‌: 彼らは‌‌約5フィート（約152cm）の身長‌‌で、‌‌薄いアルミニウム色のワンピーススーツ‌‌を着用していました。皮膚は青白い色をしており、‌‌「グレイリング（グレイエイリアン）」‌‌と呼ばれる種族の特徴に似ていました。具体的には、‌‌大きな頭、大きな黒い目、小さな口、そして小さな鼻‌‌を持っていました。ホールデン氏は後に、鼻が突き出すぎておらず、唇も薄く、ほぼ一直線の口だったと述べ、彼らが‌‌非常に優雅な動き‌‌をしていたことを強調しています。
    • 目撃中、現場では‌‌何の説明も会話も行われませんでした‌‌。クルーは任務について議論することを許されていませんでした。
    • ホールデン氏自身の反応は、‌‌驚きではなく、「興奮」‌‌でした。彼は恐怖を感じず、非常にオープンマインドで、学ぶことに意欲的だったと語っています。

  4. ‌‌目撃の意義と情報公開への影響‌‌

    • ホールデン氏は、この体験を含む自身の軍事キャリアにおける3つの特異な経験が、彼が後に公にUFOとET現象について語り始める決定に繋がったと述べています。
    • 彼が「真実を知らせる」という目的で講演ツアーを開始した際、‌‌「UFOとET現象が真実であり、現実のものであることを世界が知ることが重要である」‌‌という彼の信念が根本にありました。
    • ホールデン氏は、彼らクルーが現場に連れて行かれた理由について、後になって‌‌「国民がUFOとET現象について知る準備ができているか」を試す「実験」‌‌だったのではないかと考えています。彼の「非常に良い反応」は、この「実験」の結果が肯定的なものであったことを示唆しています。
    • このホワイトサンズでの直接的なETとUFOの目撃は、ホールデン氏の後の情報公開活動において、彼の証言に個人的な経験に基づいた強力な根拠を与え、UFO隠蔽の存在と、‌‌真実が公になるべきであるという彼の使命感を決定づける体験‌‌となりました。

1971年夏の ET 遭遇​

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UFO情報公開推進というより大きな文脈において、1971年夏にフロリダ州ココアビーチのパトリック空軍基地でビル・ホールデン氏が経験したET遭遇は、彼の軍事キャリアにおける‌‌「3つの特異な経験」‌‌の一つであり、彼が後にUFOおよびET現象の真実を公に語り始める‌‌決定的な動機‌‌となりました。

この遭遇の詳細は以下の通りです。

  • ‌‌時期と場所‌‌: 1971年の夏、ホールデン氏はパトリック空軍基地に駐在しており、インディアンリバーで釣りをしていました。
  • ‌‌意識の変容と環境‌‌: 釣りをしていてヤシの木に寄りかかっていたところ、次に意識が戻ると、彼は‌‌「台座テーブルの上」‌‌にいて、‌‌「宇宙船の内部」‌‌にいました。天井はドーム状で照明器具は見えず、部屋に唯一あったのは、天井の‌‌「光り輝く明るい青色の飾り板に3つの金色の星」‌‌という印でした。
  • ‌‌ETとの遭遇‌‌: 彼の左側には‌‌3体の地球外生命体（ET）‌‌がいました。そのうち2体は背が低く、もう1体は背が高く、それぞれ約152cm（5フィート）と約107～122cm（3.5～4フィート）の身長だったと推測されています。
  • ‌‌コミュニケーションとメッセージ‌‌: ETとのコミュニケーションはすべて‌‌テレパシー‌‌で行われました。彼は2度同じメッセージを受け取ったと述べており、それは人類に対する‌‌3つの重要な指示‌‌でした:
    1. ‌‌地球を破壊するのをやめること‌‌
    2. ‌‌互いに愛し合うことを学ぶこと‌‌
    3. ‌‌精神的および心の調和をより高いレベルに引き上げること‌‌
  • ‌‌ホールデン氏の反応‌‌: この経験中、ホールデン氏は驚くべきことに‌‌「恐れを感じず」‌‌、むしろ‌‌「興奮」‌‌していました。これは、彼の他のUFO/ET遭遇時と同様の反応でした。
  • ‌‌物理的痕跡‌‌: この経験の後、ホールデン氏は自身の左腕に‌‌インプラント‌‌があるのを発見しました。このインプラントは長さ約2.5cm（1インチ弱）、幅約1cm（8分の3インチ）で、現在も彼の腕に残っています。彼はこれを「祝福」と捉えており、ETが「この装置が自分を追跡していると考えるほど重要だと感じた」からだと考えています。

この遭遇がUFO情報公開推進の文脈で持つ意義は以下の通りです。

  • ‌‌個人的な信念の強化‌‌: この直接的なETとの接触、特にテレパシーによるメッセージの受信は、ホールデン氏の‌‌「UFOとET現象が真実であり、現実のものである」‌‌という信念を深く強固なものにしました。
  • ‌‌情報公開の動機‌‌: ホールデン氏は、この経験を含む自身の軍事キャリアにおける特異な出来事が、彼が‌‌「真実を知らせる」‌‌という目的で1995年から講演ツアーを始めるきっかけとなったと明言しています。彼は「オープンマインド」であり、「これらの経験を他の人々と共有する意欲がある」と述べています。
  • ‌‌隠蔽の存在の示唆‌‌: 彼が遭遇した出来事に対する政府や軍の‌‌隠蔽のパターン‌‌（例：以前のF-104でのUFO目撃後の口止め）と、ヨーロッパやメキシコでのUFO情報公開への寛容さとの対比は、彼が情報を公開しようとする理由をさらに裏付けています。
  • ‌‌真実の切迫性‌‌: ETからのメッセージ「地球の破壊をやめ、互いに愛し合い、精神レベルを高める」は、これらの現象が単なる観察対象ではなく、‌‌人類の未来に関わる緊急の警告である‌‌というホールデン氏の認識を深めました。これは、彼が真実を公にすることの重要性を強く感じた理由の一部です。

総じて、1971年のパトリック空軍基地でのET遭遇は、ホールデン氏にとって、UFOやET現象が現実であるという揺るぎない確信と、その真実を世界に伝えるという個人的な使命感を確立する、非常に‌‌個人的かつ深遠な体験‌‌であったと言えます。

ハワイ沖でのUFO目撃​

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UFO情報公開推進というより大きな文脈において、1966年秋にビル・ホールデン氏が経験した‌‌第二次ミッション‌‌は、彼の軍事キャリアにおける‌‌「3つの特異な経験」‌‌の一つであり、彼が後にUFOおよびET現象の真実を公に語り始める‌‌極めて重要な動機付け‌‌となりました。

このミッションは、前回のホワイトサンズでのETとUFO目撃の直後に始まり、ホールデン氏は再び20年間の機密保持契約（NDA）に署名させられました。

ハワイ沖でのUFO目撃は以下の通りです。

  1. ‌‌目的地への移動‌‌:

    • ホールデン氏と同行した「完全に異なる、海軍の高官グループ」は、ライト・パターソン空軍基地の「ブルーハンガー」やシャイアン・マウンテンを訪れた後、ロサンゼルスを経由してハワイの‌‌ヒッカム空軍基地‌‌へ向かいました。
    • ヒッカム空軍基地に着陸後、ホールデン氏を含む乗組員全員がバスに乗せられ、基地外の海岸沿いの場所へ移動しました。ホールデン氏は、飛行時間からみて物理的にハワイに戻ることは不可能だったため、ジョンストン島のような別の場所に一時的に着陸していた可能性を推測しています。

  2. ‌‌ハワイ沖でのUFO目撃の詳細‌‌:

    • 一行は西側を向いた‌‌「展望デッキ」‌‌で待機し、午前7時過ぎに、彼らの左手から右手へと‌‌水面から出現する物体‌‌を目撃しました。
    • 目撃されたのは‌‌「二重楕円形の円盤型航空機」‌‌で、側面の中央部分には光が前後に動いていました。そのデザインは上下対称でした。
    • このUFOはほぼ瞬時に消え、その後、約90メートル（100ヤード）離れた、水面から約30～60メートル（100～200フィート）のより近い位置に再出現しました。
    • UFOは、‌‌上下、左右、斜め‌‌に傾きながら機動を見せました。その後、‌‌再び水中に戻っていきましたが、その際に爆発や爆縮は一切見られませんでした‌‌。
    • ホールデン氏は、この物体の大きさを‌‌全長約15～18メートル（50～60フィート）‌‌と推定しました。

  3. ‌‌ゴードン・クーパーによる説明‌‌:

    • 後年、ホールデン氏は宇宙飛行士ゴードン・クーパーと会う機会があり、この現象について尋ねました。クーパーは、電磁推進を行う物体は周囲に‌‌力場‌‌があるため、水中への出入り時に爆発や爆縮が起こらないと説明し、ホールデン氏はその現象を理解しました。

  4. ‌‌UFOの起源に関する推測‌‌:

    • ホールデン氏は目撃当時、このUFOは‌‌地球外生命体（ET）‌‌によって操縦されていると考えていました。
    • しかし、今日では、米軍も同様の技術を開発している可能性があるため、それはETと‌‌「我々の（人間側の）技術の組み合わせ」‌‌であったかもしれないと考えています。

  5. ‌‌情報公開への影響‌‌:

    • このハワイでの目撃は、ホールデン氏にとって、UFOとET現象が‌‌「真実であり、現実のものである」という強い確信‌‌を深める経験となりました。
    • 彼はこれらの経験を通じて‌‌「非常にオープンマインド」‌‌になり、学び、そして他者とこれらの経験を分かち合いたいと願うようになりました。
    • この経験は、彼が1995年から公にUFOとET現象について語り始める決定を下した‌‌「真実を知らせる」という目的の重要な一部‌‌を形成しました。また、彼はこの種のミッションが、国民がUFOやET現象について知る準備ができているかを測る‌‌「実験」‌‌であった可能性を示唆しています。

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時系列​

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‌‌1940年代半ば (1944年、1945年以降)‌‌: ニューメキシコ州北西部（フォーコーナーズ地域）に巨大なレーダードームが建設される。このレーダーがUFOの飛行を妨害し、複数の墜落事故を引き起こしたとされる。

‌‌1947年‌‌: ロズウェル事件が発生。UFOが墜落し、残骸が回収され、後にリバースエンジニアリングの対象となる。

‌‌1953年または1954年‌‌: ドワイト・D・アイゼンハワー大統領がエドワーズ空軍基地を訪問。歯痛を理由に偽装された訪問で、ここでETと会い、米国とETの間で協定が締結されたとされる。基地は3日間閉鎖され、マザーシップと複数のUFOが確認された。

‌‌1962年8月‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがドイツのツヴァイブリュッケンで最初のUFO遭遇を経験。カナダ空軍基地近くでF-104スターファイターに同乗中、奇妙な形の飛行物体を目撃。物体は驚異的な速度で消え去り、帰還後、この件について口外しないよう軍から厳重な警告を受ける。

‌‌1963年6月‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがドイツのヴィースバーデン空軍基地に駐留中、ベルリンへの移動中のジョン・F・ケネディ大統領が搭乗するエアフォースワンの客室乗務員を務める。ケネディ大統領は、ドイツのオートバーンで目撃されたUFOの新聞記事を見て、ホールデンにET現象についての意見を尋ねる。

‌‌1963年11月‌‌: ジョン・F・ケネディ大統領が暗殺される。ビル・ホールデンは、アメリカ国民によって3つの特定の理由で殺害されたと信じているが、その理由については明言を避ける。

‌‌1964年‌‌: ケネディ大統領の一周忌追悼フライトに、ビル・ホールデンがロバート・ケネディとフォード一家と共に参加する。

‌‌1966年夏‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがコロラドスプリングスのピーターソン飛行場で、ADC司令官のために飛行任務に就く。この時、20年間の非開示契約に署名させられ、高位の軍関係者や科学者を乗せてアンドルーズ空軍基地、ライトパターソン空軍基地（ブルーハンガー）、コロラドスプリングス（シャイアン山）、そしてニューメキシコ州のホワイトサンズへと飛行する。ホワイトサンズでは、UFOと2体のグレイ型ETを目撃する。

‌‌1966年秋‌‌: ビル・ホールデンが再び同様の非開示契約に署名し、海軍関係者と科学者を乗せた任務に参加。ライトパターソン空軍基地のブルーハンガーとシャイアン山を訪れた後、ハワイへ飛び、日付が変わる深夜に出発。約4時間飛行後、海岸沿いの観測デッキで、水から出現し、デモンストレーションを行い、再び水中に没する二重楕円形のUFOを目撃する。

‌‌1971年夏‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがフロリダ州ココアビーチのパトリック空軍基地に駐留中、インドリバーで釣りをしている最中にUFOに拉致される。円形の天井を持つ宇宙船内で3体のET（2体は短く、1体は背が高い）と出会う。ETはテレパシーで、「地球の破壊をやめ、互いを愛し、精神と心のハーモニクスをより高いレベルに引き上げるように」というメッセージを伝える。この遭遇後、彼の左腕にインプラントが発見される。

‌‌1973年夏‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがパナマのハワード空軍基地に駐留中、軍務の一環としてペルーのナスカの地上絵、マチュピチュ、クスコの古代遺跡、そしてリマで2万年から2万5千年前に遡る人骨の展示を視察する。これにより、彼の宗教的信念に疑問が生じる。

‌‌1974年‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがパナマに駐留中、トップシークレットクリアランスを保持していた。

‌‌1977年‌‌: ビル・ホールデンが空軍を退役。

‌‌1978年‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがカリフォルニア州ランカスターのモハーベ砂漠、エドワーズ空軍基地近くの「マーズヒル」で、友人たちとテールゲートパーティー中に巨大な長方形のUFOを目撃する。目撃後、彼はひどい日焼けのような症状を経験する。

‌‌1991年秋‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがカリフォルニア州シルバーレイクスに居住中、夜間にオレンジ色の巨大な光の玉が雲の中に上昇していくのを目撃。

‌‌1993年‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがシルバーレイクスに居住中、車で出かける際に巨大な光の物体が空に現れ、脈動し、高速で西に移動し、突然消えるのを目撃。

‌‌1995年‌‌: ビル・ホールデンが北カリフォルニアのアラサル牧場で開催された、ロックフェラー財団主催の機密会議に招待される。会議にはボブ・ディーン、KGB将校2名、ロシア人宇宙飛行士、ロズウェルの墜落現場の牧場主の息子などが出席。彼は墜落したUFOの破片であるIビームに刻まれた象形文字を目撃し、フェニキア語のサンスクリット語と一致する文字があることを指摘する。この会議が彼がUFOとET現象について公に話すきっかけとなる。

‌‌1996年‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがロッキード・スカンクワークス周辺を車で見て回り、高熱で焼けた石やアルカリ堆積物が残る直径36フィートの円形エリアを発見。武装した警備員に退去を命じられる。

‌‌1996年10月22日‌‌: ビル・ホールデンが宇宙飛行士のゴードン・クーパーにインタビューを行う。

‌‌1996年または1997年 (1997年と特定)‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがカリフォルニア州ビクタービルで脅迫を受ける。自宅を訪れた黒服の男から、公の講演テーマを変えるよう「強くお勧めする」と言われるが、憲法上の権利を主張して拒否。

‌‌1997年11月12日‌‌: ビル・ホールデンがイギリスの様々な場所やダブリンでUFOとET現象について講演。この活動が、イギリスの新聞「イブニング・ガゼット」の第一面に大きく取り上げられる。

主要関係者​

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‌‌ビル・ホールデン (Bill Holden)‌‌: この証言の主要な語り手。元アメリカ空軍のロードマスター兼フライトスチュワードで、特殊航空任務に就いていた。大統領搭乗機の客室乗務員（トップハットクリアランス）としてジョン・F・ケネディ大統領に仕え、その後もトップシークレットクリアランスを保持しながら様々な機密任務に従事した。軍事キャリア中に複数のUFOとETの遭遇を経験し、退役後、それらの経験を公に語り始めた。彼は、アメリカ政府がUFOとETの存在を隠蔽していると信じている。

‌‌ケリー・キャシディ (Kerry Cassidy)‌‌: ビル・ホールデンの聞き手であり、インタビューアー。プロジェクト・キャメロットの共同設立者で、UFOとET現象に関するインタビューを数多く行っている。

‌‌ジョン・F・ケネディ (John F. Kennedy)‌‌: アメリカ合衆国第35代大統領。ビル・ホールデンがエアフォースワンで個人的に会話を交わした人物。UFOとET現象について関心を持っていたことが示唆されている。ホールデンは、彼がアメリカ国民によって暗殺されたと信じている。

‌‌リー・ハーヴェイ・オズワルド (Lee Harvey Oswald)‌‌: ジョン・F・ケネディ大統領暗殺の公式な実行犯とされる人物。ビル・ホールデンは、オズワルドは「役立たず」（pansy）であり、暗殺とは無関係であると強く主張している。

‌‌ロバート・ケネディ (Robert Kennedy)‌‌: ジョン・F・ケネディの弟。ビル・ホールデンは、1964年のケネディ大統領の一周忌追悼フライトで彼と同乗した。

‌‌リー・ラジヴィル公女 (Princess Leigh Radsville)‌‌: ジャクリーン・ケネディ・オナシスの妹。1964年のケネディ大統領の一周忌追悼フライトでホールデンと同乗し、ポーランドにあるラジヴィル家の邸宅を訪れた。

‌‌カナダ空軍パイロット (Canadian Air Force pilot)‌‌: 1962年8月にドイツのツヴァイブリュッケンでビル・ホールデンをF-104スターファイターに同乗させた人物。UFOを目撃した後、ホールデンに対し、この件について口外しないよう警告した。

‌‌空軍中佐 (Air Force lieutenant colonel)‌‌: 1966年の2度の機密任務でビル・ホールデンを指揮し、20年間の非開示契約に署名させた人物。

‌‌海軍提督 (Admiral) および海軍大佐 (Captain)‌‌: 1966年秋の機密任務に同行した海軍の高位将校。

‌‌ゴードン・クーパー (Gordon Cooper)‌‌: アメリカ空軍の元大佐で、NASAの宇宙飛行士。マーキュリー計画とジェミニ計画に参加した。ビル・ホールデンと親交があり、UFOの電磁推進について説明した。また、エドワーズ空軍基地（旧マロック）でUFOの着陸と離陸を目撃したとされる。

‌‌ボブ・ディーン (Bob Dean)‌‌: ビル・ホールデンが1995年のアラサル牧場の機密会議で再会した人物。ヨーロッパ駐留時代からの知人で、USRA司令官のコマンド・サージェント・メジャーを務めていた。

‌‌ボブ・ブラウン (Bob Brown)‌‌: 国際UFO会議を主催する人物。1995年のアラサル牧場の会議に出席しており、ビル・ホールデンをメスキートでの講演に招待し、彼が公にUFOとET現象について話し始めるきっかけを作った。

‌‌KGB将校2名、ロシア人パイロット/宇宙飛行士、ロズウェルの牧場主の息子、米国人宇宙飛行士、海軍将校2名、空軍将校、実業家複数名‌‌: 1995年のアラサル牧場の機密会議に出席した様々な関係者。

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（以下は Bill Holden が語り手、聞き手は Kerry Cassidy）

He says, you're right young man, and I just wish I knew then what it was like to be a U.F.O. and E.T. And I think what it was, is the public ready to know about U.F.O. and E.T. phenomena. They wanted to see how we reacted. Our President of this United States was murdered by our own people and for three specific reasons that I believe. (0:01:01)

It was not Oswald. Oswald had nothing to do with this. He was the pansy. When I started the speaking tour, it was, let the truth be known. And that's how I feel about it. It should be known. Another time, another place, that I may have another encounter. All of a sudden, this girl had just this beautiful, real long red hair. And it is straight out, like one of these things that you hold the electron thing over, it is straight up in the air. (0:01:31)

And she's pointing up and she is screaming bloody murder. Going over the top of us is a craft, the size of a football field, rectangular in shape, moving at slow speed toward Edwards Air Force Base. I said, sir, then I suggest you go back to your car and tell whoever told you to come here, stay out of my business unless they've changed the Constitution. And where it says I have the freedom of speech and the liberty and the right to go where I want to go and do what I want to do. (0:02:06)

So, we're here with Bill Holden and you flew on Air Force One with Kennedy. Yes. And you had conversations with him way back then about your, well, about E.T. visitation in some cloaked way. Is that right? Somewhat. And I can go ahead and give you a better description of what actually happened. I was stationed in Wiesbaden Air Force Base in Germany and this was June of 1963. And President Kennedy was on his way to do the Ich bin ein Berliner speech in Berlin. And I had the pleasure of being one of the stewards on board and greeted him that morning. (0:02:52)

And President Kennedy was one of these gentlemen that he knew everyone. And so when he came on board, he knew who I was. And he says, good morning, Airman Holden. I says, good morning, Mr. President. And that morning I had picked up a couple of newspapers from local newspapers, English edition. And there had been two UFOs spotted over the Autobahn and clear pictures right on the front page. (0:03:20)

And so I had them sitting on the table and I had asked him if he would like some juice and coffee. And he said juice would be fine, thank you. And by that time he looked down at the paper and saw what was there. And he looked up at me and says, well, what do you think? And then I says, well, what do you think, sir? (0:03:43)

And he looked back at me and with that, just that phenomenal smile of his, he says, I asked you first. (0:03:48)

So I laughed about that and I said, well, sir, I'm an old southern boy from down in Georgia. And my grandfather was a Methodist preacher down there. And for us to believe that we're the only intelligent beings in the world is unbelievable. So, yes, I believe that there is such thing as other human species as well as UFOs. And what did he say? (0:04:16)

He says, you're right, young man. And I just wish I knew then what I know now to have been able to go ahead and ask the President some of the questions that I have today. Wonderful. So did you have any other conversations with him as time went on? Not really. As you know, we unfortunately lost him in November of 1963. And the anniversary flight the following year, I was with his brother, Robert, and the Ford family, his wife, and some of the, two of the children. (0:04:54)

And we went back and did the anniversary flight to the Ischben and Berliner. And then actually went, we had Princess Leigh Radsville on board, and we had the opportunity to actually go see the Radsville estate in Poland. And did you talk to Robert Kennedy about that? No, I did not. Okay. So you just, that was basically kind of that experience. Now did you have, I don't know, what a person on Air Force One would have in your position. (0:05:27)

Was that a top secret clearance or was that any kind of clearance at all? It's known as a top hat. And it means it's above a top secret because you may hear something in conversation on board the aircraft. And whatever is said there stays there. And that's our responsibility. Okay. But the conversation between you and Kennedy, you were able to kind of, you've spoken about it since at conferences and so on. (0:05:52)

Was this a conscious decision of yours to come out or was this because of that experience or was it because of other experiences you had that made you come forward? There were many other experiences that occurred. As far as three particular in my military career. One happened prior to meeting with President Kennedy and that was in August of 1962. And I was down in Zweibruck in Germany doing a swim meet down there. (0:06:23)

And it's a Canadian air base there. And I had won my event and was guest of this Canadian Air Force pilot and his family at his house. And during the course of the evening he says, what are your plans tomorrow? And I said, well, I was going to ask your daughter if she'd show me around Zweibruck and just kind of tour the city. (0:06:47)

He says, well, I understand that you're a jet mechanic. I said, yes, I am. He said, how would you like to go fly tomorrow? And I said, hmm, go fly or go on a tour with your daughter. I looked at her and said, I'm sorry, I want to go fly. (0:07:03)

So we took off that next morning in one of the most phenomenal aircraft that I've ever had the pleasure of being in. And that was the F-104 Starfighter. And it was the fastest known aircraft to man at that time. During the course of our flight that morning, at about 10 o'clock position, I saw this weird shaped craft to my left. And I said, Bogey, 10 o'clock. And what is it? (0:07:37)

The pilot looked over there and says, don't know, let's go find out. He hit the afterburner, which just launches you at mock speeds. And we took off to this. Now, here we are in the world's fastest aircraft. And this aircraft disappeared on us. It went away so fast. Well, this was my actual true introduction to what cover-ups and everything else is about, both in the military and in the public and politically. (0:08:11)

When we got back, we were met by a commander. And he said, who are you? I identified myself. And he said, what you saw today, you haven't seen and do not discuss with anybody. And they put me in a car and took me back to the captain's house. The captain came in like about four hours later. And he said, Bill, whatever you do, do not say one word about this experience. (0:08:38)

It will hurt me. It will hurt everything that I'm about. And I said, sir, I won't say a word about this. And I haven't until, you know, after many, many, many years and out of the service in 77 and I first started speaking in 1995. Okay. So after that experience, did you know you'd seen, I don't know, a UFO? Did you know, I mean, in other words, did you have any idea what it was? (0:09:04)

Did you get a picture in your mind of what the craft looked like? Oh, it was, it was a flying saucer. It was, it was indeed. And this was right over the Rhine River. So, wow. And we were like at about, oh, I'm going to say about 50,000 feet of altitude. So there's no doubt about it. As far as the drawing is concerned, that's a flying saucer. (0:09:29)

That's right. And in the front page, front page of the newspaper on that morning in June of 63, was this was something, a similar type aircraft. And this was where the two that were seen over the autobahn. And this is in Germany. Right. This is in Germany. This was outside of Wiesbaden, between Wiesbaden and Frankfurt, on the autobahn. And they put this in the newspaper? (0:10:03)

Front page. Wow. Cover. Very interesting. So Germans at that point were not, I mean, I don't know what the article said, but they were not really keeping this a super secret from the people at that point. That's the uniqueness about the Europeans, the Mexicans and other locations in the world. They have no problem in showing actual pictures of UFOs and experiences and telling about experiences. (0:10:34)

And it's front page. It's not page 96 in the last section. (0:10:39)

It's not completely forbidden. Right. And it's not a laughing matter necessarily either. Right. Well, that's great. So moving forward in time, your next experience in the military, what would that be? That would be the summer of 1966. And I was stationed in Colorado Springs at Peterson Field. And I was flying for the ADC commander. And I was also providing support for the Air Force Academy. Okay, when you say you were flying, were you operating the aircraft or were you... I wasn't a pilot, no. (0:11:17)

You were... I was a load master and I was special air missions and flight steward. Okay. And so we took care of special missions that were either with high-ranking officials, international dignitaries, or special missions that we were going on, such as this one. And we were taken into... in fact, I was taken in privately into a room and I met with an Air Force lieutenant colonel. (0:11:47)

And at that point, he said, this is a voluntary mission. And I said, sir, I take every mission as a mission. You don't have to ask me what I'd like to go. You tell me, I'll go. And so he went ahead and he had me sign a document that was a 20-year non-disclosure agreement with full penalties, all the way up to going to prison and losing all rights. (0:12:17)

And this was in what year? 1966. It was the summer of 66. Okay. And what he indicated was that I was going to be flying back to Andrews Air Force Base and I was going to be picking up high-ranking military officials and high-ranking scientific individuals. Okay. So I agreed to everything and went ahead, planned the mission, got all the food and everything that would be required on the trip. (0:12:49)

Flew into Andrews Air Force Base, spent the night. The next morning we loaded up early and there was one brigadier general, there were a couple of colonels, and then the rest of the entourage were high-ranking civilian engineers and scientists. And did you know the names of these people? No. No, I did not. Okay. It just... Did you recognize them? No, I did not. (0:13:18)

Okay. From there we went to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. We landed there and they went to what was called the Blue Hangar. Now, a lot of people know what the Blue Hangar is about. And it was where a lot of the reverse engineering was being done on UFOs that were found in the late 40s that had crashed. There were... Are you saying that you knew this at the time? (0:13:46)

In other words, when you were told you were going to the Blue Hangar, it was general knowledge among people that you worked with that that's what that was? No, there was only a special few that knew what the Blue Hangar was about. Did you know at the time? I did not. Oh. I learned later. I see. So it was really unique. (0:14:03)

So from there we flew to Colorado Springs and where our base was. And they went up to the Air Force Academy. They went to Cheyenne Mountain, which was NORAD headquarters. And where the Cheyenne Mountain Complex and where all the early warning system and headquarters as far as for missions there. And then from there we left and flew to White Sands in New Mexico. And we landed and all of us were put on a bus. (0:14:42)

And to this day I still do not understand why we went along. Okay. So normally you would stay with the aircraft? We would have stayed with the aircraft and stayed on the base. Okay. And this has happened both times that we as an entire entourage were taken with the group. So anyway, we got onto a bus. The bus was blacked out in the area that we were sitting in. (0:15:08)

And basically this gentleman, not in an Air Force uniform, but in khaki colored with a special emblem. And I can't remember the emblem on the left sleeve. And they were armed and they had a clipboard and each one of us had to show our military ID. And then we were checked off the list and then we were told to go ahead and sit down. (0:15:36)

We traveled probably for about 45 minutes to an hour. And then I was right up front and off to the right front seat there so I could kind of see through to where the driver was and through the window there. But as far as the... when we got there we were stopped. And I could see like walls of a mountain on the left side by the driver. (0:16:07)

And then a guardrail that was down. And then this guy got on board with another gentleman and walked through with a clipboard. And again all of us had to show our ID's. From that point we were driven on in and we stopped at this... there was a line shack out there. We got off the bus and the entourage was escorted over to where there was a UFO on the ground. (0:16:42)

There were like two Quonset huts and another building, a runway, and we were inside a box canyon. And then from what I could see we weren't able to get right up with the entourage. The crew was held back. But basically what I was able to see was that there were two UFOs in one piece flight suit. They were probably about five feet tall in comparing to the other people around them. (0:17:17)

Okay, you mean there was one UFO and there were two extraterrestrial beings? E.T.s. Correct. Okay. And they were wearing one piece suits? One piece suit, light aluminum colored. Okay. Okay. Their skin was a pale color and as what is typified or called a grayling is what they looked like. Okay. The larger head, the large black eyes, small mouth, small nose. Is this what they would look like or not? (0:17:48)

Surprisingly, very much so, but the nose is more protruding here and the lips are fuller. (0:17:59)

Okay. And there is an amazing story behind this piece. But as far as the back is very true to what the graylings were like. They have a musculature across the back like this. Okay. But very thin lipped across here. Their arms very thin and the hands were long and thin. And I have been asked many times, were there four fingers or five fingers? (0:18:32)

And I said to be absolutely honest, I have never known that. I never knew to look for that, didn't think about it. Okay. Okay, so are you still in the bus at this time or are you outside? No, we are outside. Okay, but you are back from the group. We are back from the group. But you can still see? We can see, yes. (0:18:51)

Okay. And was there any verbal introduction or preamble to what you saw? Not at all. Where we were put on this was the fact that the way it went, we were not allowed to ever discuss the mission with any of the participants. Okay. And basically when the crew was around, there was no conversation going on about what was going on at the site. (0:19:20)

Were you shocked? Excited. Not shocked. Really? Excited. Okay. Did any of the aliens exchange eye contact, what you would consider to be eye contact with you? No, too far away. Okay. But basically they were very, as I said, they were real thin and long arm, long hand, longer neck, thin, and their heads were larger. About how tall? About five feet tall. Okay. But the thing that I saw is when they moved, they were very graceful. (0:19:56)

Really? Very graceful in their movement. Okay. But that was a very unique... So did you sign a nondisclosure during that time? Was that a nondisclosure with a certain length of time? Twenty years. Oh, that was the twenty year one? Right. Okay. So we're past that time, and you got past that time, and then you started speaking out. So this is another incident. Did anything else happen... Yes. ...during that time? (0:20:21)

Now, in the fall, I was brought back in and briefed again by the same lieutenant colonel. And he said, same drill, same scenario. Signed the form. I did. And anyway, end up back in Andrews Air Force Base. And this time, I'm expecting to see the same people again. Totally, totally different crew. There's an admiral. (0:20:57)

There's a captain, which is the equivalent of a full colonel in the Air Force. This was basically an all-navy group with, again, high-ranking civilian engineers and scientists. But none of the same crew. Totally different. But here again, we flew to Wright-Patterson. Here again, they went to the Blue Hanger. We flew to Colorado Springs. They again went up into Cheyenne Mountain. And from there, we went to Los Angeles. And took off the next morning, and we flew to Hawaii. Landed at Hickam Air Force Base. And we were told, have the airplane ready for leaving at midnight. (0:21:42)

So, we got everything ready, got some rest, back at the airplane, took off at midnight. (0:21:47)

We flew for somewhere around 3 hours and 45 minutes to maybe 4 hours. And we're flying in a C-118, or what is the equivalent of a DC-6. And four-engine propeller aircraft. And we landed. And I said, guys, we're back in Hawaii. He says, what do you mean? I says, there is nowhere out there that we can go fly for 3 hours, 45 minutes, 4 hours, and land. (0:22:20)

Okay? Physically impossible in this airplane. I says, Johnson Island is 5 and a half hours. Guam is much more. So, no, we're back in Hawaii somewhere. So, sure enough, again, which I still do not understand, is that we were all taken together. And we went out to, we had breakfast, and then we went out to this site that's right by the ocean on the west side, because the sun was coming up behind us. (0:22:52)

And we're looking to the west, and it's an observation deck. And all of us are standing there. And a little after 7 in the morning, about this time, this craft comes out of the water from our left to our right, and just goes like this, and then stops out there in front of us. Now, here again, double elliptical saucer-shaped craft. But at the mid-beam on this, there's a light going back and forth like this at the mid-beam on it. (0:23:24)

Okay. Pretty much equal as far as in design, top and bottom. Double elliptical. Now, it sits out there, and then almost instantaneously disappears. So, everybody's excited about what they're seeing and everything. And about this time, somebody yells, it's back. And it's now a little bit closer, about 100 yards out, maybe 100, 200 feet off the water. And it then demonstrates, as far as going up and down, side to side, cants left and right, then cants at an angle, and goes right back into the water. (0:24:05)

Now, when it goes into the water, and when it came out of the water, there was no explosion or implosion as far as it went back in. And... So, what was the size of this vehicle? Could you estimate? Oh, I'm going to... 100 yards out, I'm going to have to guess that this craft was somewhere around, and I'm guessing, I'm saying probably 50 to 60 feet overall length. (0:24:36)

Okay. Okay. So, it wasn't huge? No. But what was amazing about this, I had the opportunity later on to be able to meet the astronaut, Gordon Cooper. And I had asked him about it, and he said, Bill, when you have an electromagnetic propulsion, there's a force field around it. It's like that craft is inside a sandwich, so that when it comes out of it, and when it goes back in, you're not going to see the explosion or the implosion. (0:25:10)

So, that was one of the explanations I was trying to find out. Now, was it your understanding that that was flown by extraterrestrial beings, or was that one of ours? (0:25:21)

My understanding was that it was ETs, still at the time. Today, we have our own. So, it could have been one of ours? I would say that it was probably a combination. Oh, really? Yeah, in 1966, it was all a matter of evolvement that's been coming along all the way through. Gordon Cooper talks about the time that he was stationed out at Muroc, which is now Edwards Air Force Base. And he was a Major at the time. And one actually landed, and his crew was out there filming, break-testing and everything with one of the craft. (0:26:14)

And they actually caught this craft landing, and the door opening and closing, and then taking back off again. So, at this point, you've seen, you know, you've had some really pretty amazing experiences, right? Yes. And in a certain sense, you've signed NDAs, but you didn't, did you have what was considered to be a top secret, a beyond? Or is this the top hat clearance that goes across the board for you at this time? (0:26:40)

No, that was only during presidential. At any time, and that's one of the things when you're in presidential service, and someone says they're flying on Air Force One, that is any aircraft that the president is actually flying on, it can be a helicopter, it can be the Spirit of America, which is 26,000. So, it's... So, okay, so how, just briefly, could you explain to us, I mean, you have to be highly, highly trusted to, I imagine, to have the job that you had. Is this not true? (0:27:19)

It required a full EBI, Extensive Background Investigation, to be on presidential aircrew. It also required, as far as that, for top secret. And now, any of the missions that I flew after the presidential, all the way through 1974, when I was stationed in Panama, I had a top secret clearance. Okay. So, were you a member of a certain armed forces? Air Force. Air Force. Right. And what was your title, your professional title under those circumstances? (0:28:04)

I was a loadmaster and flight steward, special air missions. That's what it's called, that's what your title is. Right. Okay. And did you change rank during that time? I did. I went from airman, second class, up to staff sergeant on my last, as far as when I saw my last encounter. Okay. And now, have you told us everything that happened to you in the military, or do we have another one? (0:28:34)

We have one more. One more. Okay. Because what I would like to know, after you tell me this, is whether or not you feel that you have ever been called in for psych evaluation, or been, you know, to your knowledge, mind controlled, or had suddenly told to go see the doctor on a periodic, you know, mission. Never. Never. Okay. Never. Okay. That's interesting. (0:28:58)

Okay. In fact, I had a clean bill of health when I left the Air Force. Okay. Summer of 1971, I'm stationed at Patrick Air Force Base, Cocoa Beach, Florida. And I always loved to go down to the Indian River and go fishing and everything. (0:29:16)

So, it was a Friday afternoon, and I was going down, and put my gear out and everything, and threw my line out, and just kind of sat back. And I'd like to preface this statement this way. I don't smoke. I don't drink. Never done drugs. And I'm the grandson of a Methodist preacher. Okay. So, I wasn't having my beer. I didn't have anything special as far as to, you know, put me out. (0:29:50)

But I kind of leaned back against the palm, and the next thing I know, I'm on a pedestal table. I'm inside a craft. I'm looking up at a domed ceiling. I don't see any light fixtures, and I have three ETs to my left-hand side. Two short, one taller, and I'm guessing about five feet tall and maybe three and a half to four feet tall to my left. (0:30:14)

And the only marking in the room is up on the ceiling is this brilliant, brilliant bright blue placard with three gold stars on it. Okay. Now, conversation as far as that I'm going through is all telepathic. And basically, this has happened to me twice now, tell them to stop destroying Mother Earth. Tell them to learn to love one another. And thirdly, to take their mental and heart harmonics to a higher level. (0:31:00)

And it's been the same message to me both times. Okay. Were you afraid? Surprisingly not. Surprisingly not. You'd had more exposure before that encounter than most people. Well, also, even the very first one, I wasn't afraid. I was excited, as I have been with all of these. So it didn't shock you and put you into any kind of altered state or conundrum about your religious beliefs versus what you were seeing and all that kind of thing. (0:31:34)

So you didn't have that kind of a break in your conscious understanding. Not at all. Not at all. And the thing that I've found through all of my experiences is that I've had a very open mind. I've been one that I've been willing to learn and to share these experiences with others. Because when I started the speaking tour, it was, let the truth be known. (0:31:59)

And that's how I feel about it. It should be known. And the thing that I had out of this experience was the fact that I found an implant in my left arm about right here. It's about not quite an inch long and about three-eighths of an inch wide. Okay. You see where I'm pushing it up? Yes. So it's still there in us. It's still there. (0:32:32)

You never had it removed. No. And the thing that I've been asked, why haven't you had that taken out? I said, I consider it a blessing that I have had these opportunities to be able to experience the UFO and the ET phenomena that I have seen. And in so doing, they felt it important enough that whatever this device is, that it is following me. (0:33:01)

Okay. So maybe there's another time, another place that I may have another encounter. (0:33:10)

And it's like the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And Richard Dreyfuss is there, and you know all the experiences that he goes through. You know all the disbelief and everything that they had talked about. But he said, let me go. And that's the way I've always said, beam me up, Scotty. Oh, okay. Okay. So I definitely don't have a problem with that. (0:33:36)

Wonderful. Okay. So you've had these experiences in the military. Now, I'm assuming you've also had some civilian experiences, just because of the way you're talking. Yes. Okay. But at this point, you left the military voluntarily? Not quite. We have one more that did not involve UFO and ET phenomena. But while I was stationed in Panama at Howard Air Force Base in Southern Command, in the summer of 1973, we were called in, we got a briefing, that we were going to be taking a civilian filming crew, because one of the astronauts, as they were returning, saw these hieroglyphics on the planes in Peru. So they wanted somebody to go up there and actually film them, the Nazca plane. (0:34:34)

And it's as the astronauts were returning, they saw this, and they of course called it in and talked about it. And in their debriefing, they saw this. They saw this and they explained about it and took pictures of it. So anyway, what they did was, we went out with that crew and we had the pleasure of actually walking the Nazca plane, physically being in the trench, 18 to 24 inches deep, and seeing this phenomenal creation that they had done. (0:35:13)

And then also in this tour, we were at Machu Picchu, Cusco, we saw drawings on the walls of helmeted figures, craft, and stuff like this, that were dated eons ago. And this is part of your military duty. Right. It sounds like, you know, you couldn't pay to get such a thing, right? This was phenomenal. Phenomenal. And then in Lima, we were taken into this building that was maybe 5,000, 7,500 square feet in size. (0:35:48)

And on the floor, and on shelving and everything, there were skeletons that were dated 20,000, 25,000 years ago. Now, you asked about religious beliefs and everything else. This is where you get into where the Bible, and we're talking about being taught about the Bible, and 6,000 years is what that Bible talks about. It talks about before Christ, and when Christ comes, and the 2,000 years after, to where we are today. (0:36:30)

The Greeks are the only ones that feel that there's another 1,000 years. And it talks about, in Genesis, as far as in the beginning, man created. It went on, and God created man, and as far as Adam and Eve, and all the evolution. So, basically, this raised a lot of questions, especially being raised as a grandson of a Methodist preacher, and down in South Georgia, and looking at things. (0:37:01)

So, I turned around, and I looked at it, and I wasn't disturbed by it. (0:37:06)

What I looked at was this, is that the Bible, and if I take it phonetically, it's basic instructions before leaving earth. It tells us how to live, how to get along with each other. It's a chronological history of our mankind, all the way through to where we are today. That's what it's about. It's how we're supposed to live. It's how we're supposed to love each other, and take care of one another. (0:37:35)

Not all the war and everything else that's going on. Now, so, here I'm looking at remains that are dated older. What have we found today, now? We have found remains that are 80,000, 100,000 years old. We know about the dinosaurs being here a million, billions of years ago. Okay? So, how does it say as far as today the earth? Okay? Many, many, many, many millions of years old. (0:38:06)

We've only been here for this period of time. All these other civilizations have been here before us. In this sense, were you putting together in your own mind, with your own teachings that you got from, you know, your religious background and so on, with what you had been shown, and did you just create some, you know, sort of a bridge between them that made sense to you, and then I'm assuming you did some research since then, so that this all comes together in a package. (0:38:34)

But at the time, were you given, you know, by the military, for example, any instructions, or any... In other words, did they say, you know, we were created by ETs and so on and so forth? No, no. They didn't, they never actually... No. So when they showed you these, when you were on these tours, you were with others, right? Right. And did you talk to these other people? (0:38:55)

I talked within my own crew. Okay. Yes. And what was the general consensus at that point? Were people blown away? Were they like you and relatively okay about everything? They... Did they have a, was there a wide variance in reactions? As any time you get a group of people together, there's different opinions, okay? It's... but what I found was that I had a spiritual feeling about it. (0:39:25)

I felt that there was a reason I shared that experience, and I was exposed to that experience. I still feel that today. Okay, but did you feel that the other people there were reacting, in other words, were they buttoned down and careful not to show too much reaction because they were part of a group doing this sort of thing? There was nothing that was, oh my God, here's, you know, nothing like that. (0:39:49)

Yeah, but they weren't, like, they weren't falling over themselves... No. ...with shock. No. So they were on some level with you as being in the know. Here's an experience, here's what's happening, in the know. Okay. Exactly. So, okay, so you were taken here, you were shown around this tour, and nobody explained to you, hey, you're going to be going on a tour that's going to change your life or anything like that, right? (0:40:10)

No, no. (0:40:11)

You just happened to be involved. In fact, we were never told, we were never told what the mission was about. Hmm. We were just told that the mission was classified... Okay. ...and as far as we had to sign the non-disclosures. Did you feel you were a test subject? I don't know. I feel... here's what I think. I think that back in the time... when was the first time that we supposedly found out about UFOs in the United States? When? (0:40:50)

Well, okay, 1947. There you are. Roswell is the general... Roswell is the notorious, okay? But they were here before that. Oh, yes. Okay, now, here's the thing that happened. What was causing the crashes, because there was more than one. There were many crashes in the Four Corners, and what had happened was up in the northwest corner of New Mexico was a huge radar dome that was put up. (0:41:23)

And it was basically to protect the southwest corridor and to be early warning. Well, what happened was that every time that turned on and as the UFOs flew through it, they were all of a sudden thrown kittywampus and everything and thrown out of control. When was that built? That was built in probably the mid-40s, 44, 45, probably after the Pearl Harbor. I see. (0:41:59)

Yeah. Okay, well, I understand that it is said that radar took down those UFOs. It did. Okay. Did you have any exposure to actual crash scenes? Were you brought out on crash scenes at all? No, was not. Okay. Did you share stories with other people in the military who were? No. Have you talked to Clifford Stone, for example? Probably at the conference. But not inside the military? (0:42:34)

No, I was long gone out of the military before I ever spoke one word. It was long past my 20 years. Okay, so tell us why you came forward. I felt that it was important that the world knows that UFOs and ETs are true. They are real. But was there an incident? You asked a question, though, I want to go back to. All right. (0:42:59)

Because you asked, were we a test, okay? Uh-huh. You know what I think? I think that I can look back on that now. Because I've always been trying to figure out, why were we taken along on both instances? And I think what it was, is the public ready to know about UFO and ET phenomena? They wanted to see how we reacted. Well, you reacted very well. Why haven't they come forward? You know what I'm saying? (0:43:38)

Because that was one of the things that came out in the 50s, okay? And that's why... So, but this was after the 50s. This is after Project Blue Book. They're still testing. They're still trying to find out. Exactly. You had a great reaction. I don't know about your other, you know, fellow crewmen, so to speak. Any ideas why since then? Can we hold that question? (0:44:03)

Because if we can, I want to walk you up to this. Because in 1996 and 1997, I'll have your answer. (0:44:13)

Okay. Okay? Okay. So, you're out of the military. 1977. In 1978, I'm living in California. And I'm up in Lancaster. And I have been invited to go out for a tailgate party. And we were going out to a place called Mars Hill, which is out in the Mojave Desert, close to Edwards Air Force Base. And they said, if you want to see crazy things at night, you've got to go here. (0:44:45)

So, we're all out there. And we're having a barbecue. And we're watching things. And about this time, we had been commenting on some of the light formations and everything. And the way the planes were, the craft were flying around. And said, that's nothing that we make that can do that. And we're laughing about that. And then, all of a sudden, this girl had just this beautiful, real long red hair. (0:45:16)

And it is straight out, like one of these things that you hold the electron thing over. It is straight up in the air. And she's pointing up and she is screaming bloody murder. Going over the top of us is a craft the size of a football field. Rectangular in shape, moving at slow speed toward Edwards Air Force Base. Okay. We bail. We get out of there so fast, it's not even funny. (0:45:45)

Okay. Did you feel the electromagnetics on yourself? Did not. But, the next morning, I got up and I go in to shave and I... Whoa! I am like I have a big sunburn. Anywhere that was exposed on me was just like a sunburn. So, you were living close encounters of the third kind. You are Richard Dreyfuss, right? What happened was that we, of course, called everybody. (0:46:13)

Okay. And so, of course, I went down to my doctor and everything. And he says... and he checked as far as to make sure that there wasn't any radiation. There was no encounter as far as radiation goes. And he said, it looks like there is no skin damage. But, where you were exposed, give it a week, let's see if it goes away. And sure enough, a week later, everything is back to normal. (0:46:41)

But, anywhere that was exposed, it was this better than burnt red. Okay. Did you have a sense that that was one of ours or that was... Definitely not ours. Mothership. Okay. And, President Eisenhower, in 1953 or 54, one of the two years, he is president-elect and he is out at... I believe he was out in Palm Springs. And he was getting ready to play golf. (0:47:19)

And all of a sudden, he said, I've got a toothache, I need to go see the dentist. Now, instead of going like about 30 miles over to Riverside and to the Air Force Base there and going to see a dentist there, he goes all the way to Edwards Air Force Base. Now, history says that this is where he met the E.T.s. And that an agreement was signed between the U.S. and the E.T.s. And as far as that, a mothership was seen coming in, there were a number of UFOs coming in, and that the base was literally shut down for three days. (0:48:07)

I have been able to find that the base was shut down for three days. (0:48:12)

I've been able to find in civilian records, newspaper accounts, everything else as far as... Those facts were validated. I have never been able to find the base historian. I could not find out that he's living or dead. He's disappeared. I can't find him. Because there's a lot of information that's somewhere. Now, from that point was where a number of experimentations took place. And when you hear about the 10,000 cattle that were massacred, and nobody could explain how all these different things happened to them. (0:48:54)

Well, what happened was it was laser testing. And it was everything from being mounted on helicopters, on jeeps, on trucks, on tanks, and backpacks. And it was the only way that they could test it without testing it on human beings. And that's what that was about. When we got into where we were talking about reverse engineering on the craft that was brought in from the 47 crash at Roswell and other locations, this is where we get into the transistors. (0:49:24)

This is where we get into electromagnetic propulsion. For our purposes, you've now told us about a civilian sighting that you had that was pretty outrageous. Right. Now, these people, were they friends of yours? Were they also in the military? Were they ex-military? No, this is local friends in the area. And they were not military? No, not at all. You did not know them in the military? (0:49:48)

Okay. So at this point, you're pretty much an old hand at this, right? I mean, for all intents and purposes, you've been around. So now you've had other experiences since then? Yes. Okay, you want to tell us what those are? Okay. In the fall of 1991, I'm living in Silver Lakes in Hellendale, California. And I'm driving home, and it's in the evening. It's a clear, clear night. (0:50:16)

And as far as... there's no clouds that I can see as far as... until I turn off, going into Silver Lakes, off of Old Route 66, between Victorville and Barstow, about halfway. As I'm turning in, I see this one little cloud across here, and I see these large, kind of orange-colored orbs, not coming down from them, but going up into the cloud. Okay? So I park, and I watch this. (0:50:51)

Now, I'm trying to judge how big these orbs are, because I'm sitting in the car, and I'm about a half a mile away from the site, and it's about the size of my thumb at that point. So figure, half a mile away, the size of my thumb, how big is this orb? It's pretty big. Right. So, anyway, I see that. Now, in... So nothing happened? (0:51:25)

Nothing happened. I just... No missing time? No missing time. Okay. I didn't go away, and here it is. Now, in 1993, I'm still living there, and I'm leaving with my wife to go in to Victorville to go out for a night's entertainment and everything. And I'm pulling out of the project, and all of a sudden, I see this huge, bright light in the sky. (0:51:54)

And I'm thinking, oh, my God, there's a plane exploded or a missile exploded and everything, whatever. (0:52:00)

But there's this huge light, and all of a sudden, it doesn't go away. It starts pulsing. This light is going in and out like this. And then so I take off and going on the Hellendale Road, going out toward 395, and this thing is starting to move to the west. And I'm speeding up to over 100 miles an hour, and it's pulling away from me. (0:52:24)

And so it starts going like this, and it's getting faster. And all of a sudden, it goes whoosh, just like that, and it's gone. Your wife saw this at the same time, right? Now, at that point, I called the Sheriff's Department. I called FAA. I called Vandenberg, because Vandenberg is where they had the missile shoots. And stuff like that. Vandenberg said there was no missile shoot, and it went on. (0:52:55)

You know, as far as I contacted everybody, I could. Did any of them say that they'd seen anything that had shown up on radar, that sort of thing? No. But as far as that, in the newspaper the next day, it talked about it. It talked about the bright lights and everything. So... So at this point, had you started going to conferences and speaking up? (0:53:17)

Interesting you should ask that. I had not even thought about talking about this. Okay. Okay? Until 1995, I get invited to a classified conference. They even change my name, give me tickets, different identification, and I fly in to Northern California, and I'm taken to a place called the Al-Asal Ranch. And it's a conference that later you'll find out that it was put on by the Rockefeller Foundation. Bob Dean was there. (0:53:54)

Really? Okay. Two KGB officers were there. There was a Russian pilot there, astronaut. There was the lieutenant colonel that his father owned the ranch in Roswell that found the stuff, that kept some of the stuff and buried it. So that was brought out at the conference. And when they brought out this one piece that had come off the craft, it was like an I-beam, miniature I-beam, very lightweight, and it had hieroglyphics on it. (0:54:31)

And we're talking about it, and I said, this looks familiar. There's something about this. And sure enough, two of the characters matched the Phoenician Sanskrit. Okay? Okay. So that was... That's an interesting link. That was an interesting link that we looked at there. You didn't call Zachariah Sitchin or anything to tell him what you'd seen, huh? No. In fact, I don't know whether Zachariah was there or not. (0:55:02)

We had one of our own astronauts there. We had two naval officers there. We had an Air Force officer there and a number of industrialists. But this thing was treated so classified, I thought that the president was going to be there. That's how much this was talked about. Okay, well, so were there any congressmen people there? Don't know. So why do you think you were invited to this classified gathering? (0:55:34)

I mean, you'd already been in the military. (0:55:36)

What was the purpose? I think somebody knew that I had had some of these experiences from the military. Okay. Because I hadn't gone public. Right. Had you talked on the phone about this? Nope. What about surveillance? You think they had an eye on you electronically? Not until later. Okay. Computers, were they around in 95? I know they were around in 98. Yeah, I wasn't doing anything. (0:56:04)

Nothing on computer? No. What was your civilian job at that point? I worked for myself. As? I was a consultant. I was in real estate. Uh-huh. But here's what was interesting. Is because in 1996, I went out and, with a couple of friends, drove around the Skunk Works, Lockheed Skunk Works, just outside of Hellendale. It's two miles square. Right. Okay, and everybody talked about that. (0:56:33)

Oh, it's just a radar testing facility. And I said, no, it's not. There's something about this. So I drove all the way around it, and then we went into this one area. And outside the fence, I found this rock and a bunch of other rocks that had been burnt with high temperature. And you can see where this part, right here, okay, you can see how that was in the dirt. (0:57:12)

Uh-huh. Now, picture this being in the dirt, and that's what was exposed. And this was how much heat was on this rock. And this was in the mud. So, and this is in a circle that's about 36 feet in diameter, okay? And I have a picture I can show you where this little girl is picking this rock up out of the mud, okay? (0:57:37)

And then these are around it. And then there were alkali deposits at six or eight different points in the circle that were about this big around. And that if you actually stepped onto it, you would have gone down in it maybe about 18, 24 inches. It was like the ground was all broken loose right there. And so that was found right there by the site. (0:58:08)

Now, what was interesting about this was that this picture right here says, trespass, loitering, forbidden by law, trespassers are subject to prosecution, private property, no trespass, Lockheed Corporation. Now, this is all the way around the complex. These signs are posted. Okay. Now, we're driving around and this jeep pulls up there and it's got armed security officers on it telling us to get out of there. (0:58:40)

And I said, I'm on the civilian side, you're on that side, you can't tell me what to do. So, what was interesting about this was this... this is the antenna that's out there by the runway. And I called it a runway. Now, this is the alkali that I'm talking about. And these deposits were like six spots around the circle. Okay. Okay. And as far as the hole that I was talking about, because I stepped into this. (0:59:22)

And this is how I knew that anywhere that kind of an alkali area was, that the ground underneath it had been disturbed. (0:59:31)

You've decided somehow, someway to come forward. Okay. Following the conference at the Al-Asal Ranch was when I received a personal invite to go to Mesquite and talk at the international conference, UFO conference. Okay, but did you know someone there? Why did they know to contact you? They were at the Al-Asal conference. And this individual that puts on the conferences and everything was there. (1:00:10)

Really? Was one of the people there? One of the people there. Very interesting. Do you mean the international UFO conference? Bob Brown? Bob Brown. Wow. Okay. So, Bob Brown is certainly in the know at this point. Right. And so, he had invited me to come to this conference. That was my introduction to public speaking and going out and talking about UFO and ET phenomena, let the truth be known. (1:00:35)

Okay, but did you at that point need convincing? Because Bob Brown, you're at this ranch, you're talking to all these people, you meet Bob Dean, I assume you guys shared stories. Oh, we knew each other from when we were stationed in Europe. Oh, really? Ah. Because I was flying for General Gabriel Disoway and he was working, he was the command sergeant major for the commander of USRA. Very interesting. Well, we just did an interview with him, so that's why I'm asking you. (1:01:03)

How is he doing? He's wonderful. He's a beautiful man. It was a real privilege to meet him. Please tell him I said hello, because I've lost contact with him. We would be pleased to provide you with his details. Oh, I would love, I'd love to know how to get a hold of him again. Have you had any kind of threats? One time only. I had come back from my talk in San Diego, and this was in 1996, I believe. (1:01:35)

It was either 96 or 97, and I'm living in Victorville, and it had to be 97. So I'm living in Victorville, and this black Ford pulls up in front. This guy about 6'2", all black, gets out of the car, comes up to the door, and I open the door and he says, Mr. Holden, and I says, yes, I'd highly suggest and recommend that you change your public speaking subject. (1:02:08)

I said, do you have a warrant for my arrest, or a presidential order, or something telling me that I can't speak publicly anymore? No. I said, sir, then I suggest you go back to your car and tell whoever told you to come here, stay out of my business unless they've changed the Constitution where it says I have the freedom of speech and the liberty and the right to go where I want to go and do what I want to do. (1:02:40)

He took a step toward me, and about that time I pulled out something from behind my back, and I said, you have 30 seconds to get to your car, and I'm serious. So he turned around, and I've never heard anything since then. (1:02:56)

But I have openly, openly spoken about this, and will continue to do so. And anyone that would like to have me as a speaker, it's just a matter of contacting me, and you can post my email and phone number and be able to do that. Okay, well, you're a brave man. Obviously they were not able to intimidate you. Have you ever talked to other presidents besides Kennedy? (1:03:25)

No. I mean, I served with President Kennedy, President Johnson, President Nixon. And neither Johnson nor Nixon? Never. You had no reason to have anything to do with them? Johnson was a horse's butt, and I was only with Nixon on the pre-flight to his China trip, and then that was it, and then I was out of the presidential. Okay. Did you have reason to believe that Kennedy was murdered by a conspiracy? (1:03:54)

I will put it this way. Our president of this United States was murdered by our own people, and for three specific reasons that I believe. It was not Oswalt. Oswalt had nothing to do with this. He was the pansy. Right. And three reasons which were... I'd rather hold that. Okay. I have an interview that I did with Colonel Gordon Cooper, USAF NASA astronaut, back on October the 22nd of 1996. We had become very near-dear friends. (1:04:33)

He was stationed as an astronaut down at Cocoa Beach, and I was stationed at Patrick, and my last mission was the Apollo 13 mission. Really? And I was working there, working with special air missions, and also special events whenever they were doing a launch and helping dignitaries. Wonderful. Well, so he was a very interesting man. Wonderful. Wonderful man. Okay. In 1997, this is November the 12th of 1997, and if you look up in the upper left-hand corner of the newspaper, and this is the Evening Gazette. This was the number one newspaper in the northwest of England, and this was talking about the conference. (1:05:31)

Now, anywhere else in the United States, they would never do a front page, even talk about UFOs, let alone give you a full-page article. So this is in England. This was in England in November of 1997. And you went to speak, I'm assuming, as part of a conference or something else? It was to speak in a number of locations. One was, I spoke in Manchester, I spoke in Lytton, St. Anne's, Blackpool, at Cardiff-by-the-Sea in Wales, and then over in Dublin, Ireland. Okay, but why did they invite you? (1:06:15)

Because they wanted the latest... At that time, I was one of the latest subjects talking about UFO and ET phenomena. I see. Okay. So they've got a picture there of you and the carving, or mask, whatever you want to call this. Okay. Now, the interesting story of our friend. This is Al the Alien. And I was at, of all things, the State Fair in Victorville. And up on a shelf, there were three of these heads. (1:06:52)

Now, one thing was that upon looking at this, I found it to be rather unique, that it was very close to what a true grayling was. (1:07:06)

So that whoever had made this head knew what he was doing. And what told me that was the fact that the musculature across the back of the skull, it was very true. Okay, but I'm going to interrupt you here, because you've told us that you've seen grays on a few occasions. Yes. But did you actually see the back of their head, or how do you know this? (1:07:33)

Yes. Oh, you did. Okay. And that's why I said that the things that's wrong about this was the fact that the nose is too large. It was just a very small protrusion. And the mouth, you don't have really lips, but just a straight line, almost a straight line across. Okay. And everything. But this was very unique. And somewhere on here, it may have worn off now. (1:08:04)

No. It says that this was done by L. Carr, C-A-R-R, was who did this. Uh-huh. So, very interesting. Now, do you feel like there is more to the story than what you've told us here? In other words... There's a lot more. Okay. And this is because you have personal experience with other things that you haven't brought up here, or because you've done research? (1:08:32)

Research. Research, okay. Research and talking to very knowledgeable people, engineers that have been out, worked at Area 51, people who have worked in the tunnels. Huge tunnel system in the United States. Okay. And things like that. And is this tunnel system set up, do you think, for anything approaching 2012? Or do you think that these are areas where they are simply have underground bases that they are doing reverse engineering, housing various E.T.s? (1:09:04)

I think all of the above. This has been wonderful. Thank you for the opportunity. You are a wonderful speaker. I appreciate you coming here today. My pleasure. Talking to Project Hamelot. My pleasure. Thank you. (1:09:17)

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