AI 整理 : John Ramirez のインタビュー発言

July 12, 2025 · 151 min read

前置き

元 CIA 上級職員の John Ramiren が Jay Anderson のインタビューで証言している動画から。以前、過去記事でこの動画を取り上げたが、今回は AI で整理した。

AI 整理

概要

UFOとCIA：ジョン・ラミレスの体験談

この文章は、元CIA職員であるジョン・ラミレス氏とジェイ・アンダーソン氏の対談から抜粋されたものです。ジョン・ラミレス氏は、自身のUFO現象に関する個人的な体験について語っています。これには、CIAの医療サービスにおける自身の鼻孔内の奇妙な外科的切開の発見に関する調査、幼少期に目撃した未確認飛行物体、繰り返される異星人との遭遇、そして‌‌「誕生前の生命」のビジョンといった生涯にわたる出来事が含まれます。彼は、これらの体験が、他者と共有し、類似の体験を持つ人々を支援するという自身の目的を形成したと示唆しています。また、彼はこれらの体験を通じて、「彼らはなぜここにいるのか、彼らは何者なのか」というメッセージ‌‌に興味を持っていると述べています。

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詳細

UFOとテクノロジーに関する詳細なブリーフィングドキュメント：CIA元職員ジョン・ラミレスの証言

このブリーフィングドキュメントは、元CIA職員ジョン・ラミレスが語ったUFO現象、情報コミュニティ、個人的な体験、そして高度な技術に関する洞察をまとめたものです。

情報コミュニティにおけるUFOへの関心と内部文化

ラミレスは、情報コミュニティ内にUFO現象への強い関心を持つ人々が少なくないことを強調しています。

‌‌共通の関心事‌‌: CIA職員の中には「Coast to Coast AM」のファン同士でUFOについて非公式に話す者もいる。「私は多くの愛好家に出会った」。

‌‌内部ソーシャルメディア‌‌: ラミレスは、初期のCIA内部のLotus Notesデータベース「Users Group」の管理者であった。これは今日のソーシャルメディアのようなもので、コンピューター関連の話題が中心だったが、ラミレスは「もっと秘教的な話題」を扱うチャンネルも作成した。

そのチャンネルで「アヌンナキ」やリチャード・ホーグランドの「火星のモニュメント」、リモートビューイングといった話題を持ち出すと、元リモートビューイングプログラム関係者や、ベトナム戦争中にUSS BostonでUFOと「戦った」という海軍の元職員など、様々な人々から直接連絡があった。「彼らはUFOに興味を持っている」。

‌‌個人的な関心と周囲の認識‌‌: ラミレス自身、CIA内部でUFOに強い関心があることを公言しており、「セキュリティ局も私がUFOに興味を持っていることを知っていた」。彼は個人的にUFOカンファレンスにも参加し、2004年にはスティーブン・バセットのXカンファレンスに1000ドルを寄付した。

ロン・パンドルフィ博士と未公開技術

ラミレスは、UFOロジー界で謎に包まれた人物とされる物理学者、ロン・パンドルフィ博士について言及し、彼が関わっていた未公開技術について説明しています。

‌‌「奇妙な部署（Weird Desk）」の噂‌‌: パンドルフィはUFOロジー界で「まるでUFOや奇妙な部署を統括しているかのような」人物と見なされているが、ラミレスの知る限り、CIAにそのような役職は存在しない。彼は「シニアサイエンティスト」として「科学技術総局」に所属していた。

‌‌Silent Sentry（サイレント・センチュリー）‌‌: パンドルフィは、レーダーで追跡できない航空機を追跡するための「Silent Sentry」という技術に関心を持っていた。「米国中に十分な電磁エネルギーを放出し、そのエネルギーを収集・サンプリングすることで、非常に速い速度で米国を移動する何かによる電磁的な干渉波を検出できるはずだ」。これは「受動コヒーレント測位（passive coherent location）」の技術に基づいている。

‌‌Smart Dust（スマートダスト）‌‌: パンドルフィが関心を持っていたもう一つの未公開技術は「スマートダスト」である。これは、特定の特性を持つ対象物に目に見えない粒子を散布し、その特性を利用して検出・追跡する技術と説明されている。「想像力を働かせてください」。ラミレスは、麻薬密輸組織の薬物隠匿場所の追跡など、不法な物品への応用を示唆している。

情報収集と「ブラックバジェット」の仕組み

ラミレスは、CIAでの自身のキャリアパス（技術職から管理職へ）を通じて、情報コミュニティにおける予算編成と高度な技術プログラムの資金調達の仕組みを解説しています。

‌‌予算編成への関与:‌‌ 管理職に転身したことで、ラミレスは「情報コミュニティでどのようにソーセージが作られるか、予算がどのように作成されるか」をより深く理解するようになった。彼はCIA内部で「技術電子情報」分野のプロジェクトを推進し、議会から資金を得るための説得力のあるケースを構築する責任を負っていた。

‌‌ブラックバジェットへのアクセス‌‌: 国家対拡散センター（National Counter-Proliferation Center）での職務を通じて、ラミレスは「ブラックバジェットの世界」に導入された。「私はこれらすべての項目が記載されたスプレッドシートを与えられた」。しかし、これらの情報は「非常に乏しく」、「これはUFOから得たエキゾチックな技術だとは書いていない」と述べている。表現は間接的で、プログラムの真の性質を隠蔽している。「タイトルだけではそれが何であるか分からない」。

‌‌「暴走プログラム」の否定‌‌: ラミレスは、「暴走プログラム（rogue program）」という概念を否定している。CIAやDODのプログラムは、たとえ秘密裏に行われるものであっても、議会の予算委員会、特に「下院歳出委員会の国防小委員会」の承認を得ていると主張する。また、「大統領令（presidential finding）」が covert operations（秘密作戦）を承認するために必要であると説明している。これは「1947年国家安全保障法」に法的に組み込まれている。「暴走作戦のようなものはない」。

政府の透明性と今後の展望

NDAA（国防権限法）の改正により、UFO関連情報の公開が進む可能性について言及しています。

‌‌NDAAの意義‌‌: 「NDAA（2022会計年度国防権限法）には、国防総省がいかなる特別アクセスプログラムに関する情報も、議会委員会のいかなる質問にも隠蔽したり、回答を拒否したりしてはならないという文言が含まれている」。「お金がものを言う」ため、議会は資金を引き揚げることで情報開示を強制できると考えている。

‌‌公開聴聞会への期待‌‌: ラミレスは、UFO現象に関する「公開聴聞会」が開催されることを最も楽観的な予測としている。最初の報告書が法制化されてから180日以内に提出され、その後も定期的に報告されることで、議会は非公開セッションだけでなく、国民に情報を提供する公開セッションも開催すべきだと主張している。

‌‌情報開示の緩やかなプロセス‌‌: 彼は、DNI（国家情報長官）ヘインズが「地球外」という言葉を使ったことに触れ、ハイブリダイゼーション（混種）のようなより高度なテーマが公に議論されるようになるまでには「まだ多くのカードが残っている」と認識している。

CIAとGoogleの関係

ラミレスは、CIAとGoogleの歴史的な関係について、一般に知られていない情報を提供しています。

‌‌EarthViewerプログラム‌‌: Google Earthの元になった「Earth Viewer」は、もともとCIAのプログラムだった。これは「Keyhole」という会社を通じてGoogleに譲渡された。

‌‌初期の連携‌‌: Googleの創設者である大学院生たちは、National Science Foundation（全米科学財団）の助成金を通じて支援されており、情報コミュニティはその中の一人、セルゲイ（おそらくセルゲイ・ブリン）に注目し、「この会社との関係を築いた」。

‌‌Imagery Acquisition‌‌: Google Earthが使用する衛星画像は、Google自身が撮影しているのではなく、主に「Maxar Technologies」から購入している。Maxarは以前Digital Globeと呼ばれ、「国家写真解釈センター（NPIC）」を退職した職員が設立に関わり、NRO（国家偵察局）の古い衛星技術を継承している。これは「オーバーヘッド画像技術を企業に協力して普及させる方法だった」。

ラミレス自身の個人的体験と「ハイブリダイゼーション」

ラミレスは、幼少期からのUFO現象との個人的な体験について詳しく語り、それが彼の人生に与えた影響を考察しています。

‌‌幼少期の体験:4歳‌‌: 望遠鏡で夜空を見て「私は地球に属していない」という深い感情を抱いた。

‌‌5-6歳（バージニア州フォート・リー）‌‌: 楕円形の銀色の物体が木立の上を無音で移動するのを見たが、従兄弟たちは見えなかった。

‌‌5-6歳（バージニア州ピーターズバーグ）‌‌: 維持期の古い家で、人間のような姿の医師と看護師による身体検査を繰り返し受けた。彼らは「怖がるな、安全だ」と安心させる言葉をかけた。

‌‌6-7歳（書店にて）‌‌: 書店で、原始的な男女と、現代的な赤ん坊を抱える女性、そして上空にいる円盤が描かれた本を見つけ、「お前たちはどこから来たか、私たちはあなたたちを作った」というメッセージを受け取った。しかし、母親を呼びに行っている間にその本は消えていた。

‌‌7歳（天文学への傾倒）‌‌: 天文学に強い関心を持ち、望遠鏡でアンドロメダ銀河を観測中、「上から誰かが見ている、私たちもお前を見ている」というメッセージを受け、再び「地球は私の家ではない、連れて帰ってほしい」という感情を抱いた。

‌‌12-13歳の体験（小型の存在）‌‌: 小型の存在に手を取られ、「地下の洞窟」のような場所に連れて行かれた。彼らは友好的で、「怖がるな、恐れることはない」と語りかけた。これらの存在は、通常描かれるグレイとは異なり、目は丸く、頭部の角も丸みを帯びていた。肌の色は「灰色ではなく、もっとニュートラルな色」だった。

‌‌ティーンエイジャーの体験（「誘拐」）‌‌: 「アブダクション」の体験をしたが、本人が望んだものであり、「連れてこられたことに失望した」。目覚めると、股間や性器の周りに「円形の赤い発疹」のような跡があったが、翌日には消えていた。

‌‌生まれ変わりとライフパーパスの夢‌‌: 高校時代に見た夢では、自身が光の存在として天上の場所にいることを認識し、「ついに故郷に帰ってきた」と実感した。しかし、「あなたはやるべきことがあるから戻る時だ」という声に促され、無数の光の球体の中から、自身の過去（または未来）の人生を示す青と白の渦巻く球体を選び、再び生まれた瞬間を鮮明に記憶した。この体験は、彼に「死を恐れない」という確信を与え、「生後だけでなく、誕生前にも人生がある」と語っている。

驚くべきことに、数年後、彼は「Coast to Coast AM」のラジオ番組で、ある女性が全く同じ体験を語るのを聞いた。これは彼にとって「シンクロニシティ」の最たるものだった。

‌‌身体的兆候‌‌: 幼少期から「鼻血」に悩まされており、特に午前3時から4時の間に発生することが多かった。彼はこれを、バド・ホプキンスの著書『Witnessed』に登場するリンダという女性の体験（右の鼻孔からの鼻血）と関連付けている。また、「右耳の近くで金属音がする」という現象も体験している。

‌‌現在のコンタクト‌‌: 妻がサンタカタリナ山脈でオレンジ色のオーブを目撃し、ラミレス自身も2020年の誕生日に白いオーブを目撃している。彼は「CE6」（Mark Simsのラジオを使った人間主導のコンタクトプロトコル）を通じてコンタクトを試み、白いオーブが現れた際に「あなたは共有すべき情報を持っている。その情報を共有する時だ」というメッセージを受け取った。

‌‌「ハイブリダイゼーション」への言及‌‌: ラミレスは、DNIヘインズが「地球外」という言葉を使い始めたことで、将来的に「ハイブリダイゼーション」のようなテーマも議論されることを期待している。彼はルー・エリゾンドが「7万年前に我々のDNAに何らかの介入があったかもしれない」と示唆したことに触れ、「私たち全員がハイブリッドである」という認識に至るまでには「長いプロセス」があると述べている。

‌‌医療記録の開示‌‌: ラミレスは現在、CIAに自身の医療記録の開示を求めている。これは、過去にCIAのクリニックで鼻血の治療を受けた際に、医師が彼の右の鼻孔に「外科的切開の痕跡」があることを指摘したことに起因する。彼は、この件で2人目の医師が呼ばれ、組織が採取されたことに「疑念」を抱いており、「彼らが何かを見つけた」と考えている。これらの医療記録は、自身の「ハイブリダイゼーション論争」と関連付けて、最終的に公開したいと考えている。

情報公開の限界と民間セクターの役割

政府機関内の情報のアクセス制限と、UFO研究における民間主導の取り組みへの期待を語っています。

‌‌情報へのアクセス制限‌‌: 「情報コミュニティにいるからといって、すべてを知っているわけではない」。ラミレスは、自身が「全情報収集アーキテクチャ」に関与していたにもかかわらず、読み込みが許可されていない「非常に機密性の高い事項」が存在したと説明している。これは「ごく少数の人々に制限された非常に狭い知識体」であり、たとえ上級将校であっても自身の管轄内の特定のプログラムを知らないこともある。

‌‌民間主導の研究への期待‌‌: ラミレスは、政府がUFO問題を「注意深く選択された情報」の「段階的な公開」として扱っていると見ている。そのため、UFO現象を「意識」や「量子力学」との関連など、より抽象的な側面から探求するには、「草の根的な科学コミュニティ」や「学術・科学コミュニティからの草の根的な発展」に期待を寄せている。彼は「ガリレオプロジェクト」のような私的グループの増加をポジティブに捉えている。

その他のテーマ

‌‌意識と現象‌‌: ラミレスは、現象の「より高い意識の側面」が無視されるべきではないと強調している。彼は「ペンタゴンのスキンウォーカーズ」のような報告書が、「意識のつながり」に関わる「高い奇妙さの側面」を調査している兆候を示していると指摘している。

‌‌スキンウォーカー牧場‌‌: 「ヒッチハイカー効果」のような現象の解明に窮しており、スキンウォーカー牧場は「謎に包まれており、UFOだけでなく、現象の全容を包み込む渦のようだ」。

‌‌退職後の貢献‌‌: ラミレスは2009年にCIAを退職したが、将来的に「情報機関承認法（IAA）」がUFO研究の長期的な研究を可能にする場合、コンサルタントとしてCIAに戻り、情報公開に貢献する意向を示している。

日付: 2023年10月26日作成者: AIアシスタント情報源: John Ramirezによるインタビュー動画の文字起こし「CIA内部のUFOとテクノロジー秘話 (transcript 2of2)」および「UFOsとCIA: ジョン・ラミレスの体験談 (transcript 1of2)」

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幼少期（4歳頃）：

初めて望遠鏡で夜空を見て、地球に属していないという深い感情を抱く。
米国に移住し、バージニア州ピーターズバーグで生活する中で、円盤形ではないが楕円形の銀色の飛行物体を目撃するが、一緒にいた従兄弟や遊び仲間は誰もそれを見ることができなかった。
繰り返し「ヴィクトリアン様式の家」に連れて行かれ、人間のような医者と看護師に検査される体験を始める。彼らは「怖がることはない、安全だ」と安心させる言葉をかけた。

幼少期（6〜7歳頃）：

百貨店の書籍売り場で、原始的な男女と、女性が抱く現代的な赤ちゃん、そして光を当てる2つの円盤が描かれた本を見つける。「我々がお前を作った」というメッセージを受け取るが、母親を呼びに戻った際に本は消えていた。

幼少期（7歳頃、小学校2年生）：

天文学に強い関心を持ち、クラスで惑星について詳細な発表をする。
両親に買ってもらった望遠鏡でアンドロメダ銀河を観察中、「上空の誰かが自分を見ている」というメッセージと、「自分は地球に属しておらず、誤って置き去りにされた」という感情を受け取る。

思春期（12〜13歳頃）：

小さな、丸い目の、灰色ではない中立色の肌を持つ地球外生命体に手を引かれ、地下の洞窟に連れて行かれる体験をする。「怖がることはない」というメッセージを受け取る。

思春期（時期不明）：

ひまわりを植える強い衝動に駆られる。「私を見つけて、ここから連れ去ってほしい」という願望があった。
伝統的な「誘拐」に近い体験をするが、自身は連れて行かれることを望んでいた。背の高い存在に連れられ、光る円形の通路を通って平らなテーブルに横たえられる。起きた後、股間と性器の周りに円形の赤い発疹のような跡が残っていたが、翌日には消えた。

キャリア初期：

CIAに在籍中、鼻血の処置のため医療サービスを訪れる。X線検査で背骨に異常はなく、人生で手術を受けたことはないにもかかわらず、右の鼻孔に「外科的部位」のような異常があると指摘される。別の医師も呼ばれ、組織を採取された後、焼灼処置が施される。ラミレスは、CIAの医師たちが何かを突き止めようとしていたと考えている。
Lotus Notesデータベース「Users Group」の管理者となり、社内ソーシャルメディアのような場所でUFOやより秘教的な話題（アヌンナキ、火星のモニュメント、リモートビューイングなど）について語り始める。
この活動を通じて、CIA内にUFO現象に興味を持つ多くの人々がいることを発見する。中にはベトナム戦争中にUSSボストンでUFOを追い払った元海軍の知人もいた。

2004年：

スティーブン・バセットが主催する初のX会議（メリーランド州ゲイサーズバーグのヒルトンホテルで開催）に1000ドルを寄付する。

2008年頃：

国家情報長官室の国家不拡散センターに勤務中、DIAクラレンドンでの会議で、ロッキード・マーティン社の「サイレント・セントリー」技術に関連してロン・パンドルフィ博士と個人的に会う。

2009年：

CIAを退職する。

##CIA退職後（時期不明、Windows 98を使用していた頃）：

アート・ベルが司会を務める「Coast to Coast AM」の「Open Lines」を聴いていた際に、自分の「転生前の記憶」の夢とほぼ同じ体験を語る女性の声を聞き、大きな衝撃を受ける。

2020年7月14日（誕生日）：

妻とともにマーク・シムズのCE6プロトコル（瞑想とラジオ信号の送信）に参加し、サンタカタリナ山脈の上空に現れた明るい白い球体を目撃する。「共有すべき情報がある。今こそその情報を共有する時だ」というメッセージを受け取る。

2021年：

「Navigating the US Intelligence Community for Ufologists」というプレゼンテーションを行い、大きな反響を呼ぶ。
CIAに自身の医療記録の開示を申請する（特に右鼻孔の「外科的部位」に関する情報）。CIAは申請を認めたが、記録はまだ受け取っていない。HIPAA申請も行う予定。

現在：

公の場で自身のUFO体験とCIAでの経験を共有し続けている。
ハイブリダイゼーション（混血）の概念について、DNIのエイヴリル・ヘインズが「地球外」という言葉を使ったことに希望を見出している。
国防権限法（NDAA）の変更により、国防総省が議会に対し未確認航空現象（UAP）に関する情報開示を義務付けられたことに期待を寄せている。
将来的にCIAからコンサルタントとして復帰を要請された場合、ポリグラフ検査なしであれば喜んで協力すると表明している。
自身の医療記録が戻り次第、エイリアンのDNAや自身の体験に関する2回目のプレゼンテーションを計画している。

主要関係者

‌‌ジョン・ラミレス (John Ramirez)‌‌：

元CIA職員。長年にわたりキャリア情報官としてCIAに勤務し、2009年に退職。
技術電子情報（technical electronic intelligence）の分野で働き、後に管理職としてCIAの予算作成に関与。
幼少期から生涯にわたるUFO現象、地球外生命体との遭遇、そして特異な身体的体験（右鼻孔の外科的痕跡）を経験している。
UFO研究コミュニティのイベントに積極的に参加し、ステファン・バセットのX会議を支援。
現在は、自身の経験を公に共有することで、他の体験者たちを支援し、UFO現象に関する政府の情報公開を促進することを自身の「目的」としている。

‌‌ジェイ・アンダーソン (Jay Anderson)‌‌：

ジョン・ラミレスのインタビューの聞き手。
自身のYouTubeチャンネル「Project Unity」を運営しており、ラミレスのプレゼンテーション「Navigating the US Intelligence Community for Ufologists」を公開した。
自身も白い球体やオレンジ色の球体などのUAPを目撃した経験がある。

‌‌スティーブン・バセット (Stephen Bassett)‌‌：

UFO情報公開を求める活動家。
2004年に初のX会議を主催し、XPAC（UFO関連政治活動委員会）を設立。ジョン・ラミレスから資金援助を受けていた。

‌‌アート・ベル (Art Bell)‌‌：

人気ラジオ番組「Coast to Coast AM」の元司会者。ジョン・ラミレスが自身の体験に酷似した話を番組で聞いた人物。

‌‌ロン・パンドルフィ博士 (Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi)‌‌：

ジョン・ラミレスが個人的に会ったことがある「非常に聡明な」物理学者。
DIAクラレンドンでの会議で、「サイレント・セントリー」というロッキード・マーティン社の技術（レーダーで追跡できない航空機を追跡するための受動型コヒーレント位置特定技術）と関連付けられていた。
UFOology界では「奇妙な部署（weird desk）」の責任者として、あるいは「鳥小屋（aviary）」の一員である「ペリカン」として、多くの憶測と「謎めいた人物」としての評価がされている。ラミレスは、CIAにそのような役職は存在しないと述べている。

‌‌ジョセフ・R・バイデン上院議員 (Senator Joseph R. Biden)‌‌：

1979年当時のデラウェア州選出民主党上院議員。
鄧小平との対談で、米中関係が両国にとって有益であることを話し、中国での施設建設と技術交換（特にソ連のミサイルに関する情報収集）の道を開いた。

‌‌鄧小平 (Deng Xiaoping)‌‌：

1979年当時の中国の指導者。バイデン上院議員との会談で米中協力に同意した。

‌‌バド・ホプキンス (Bud Hopkins)‌‌：

UFOアブダクション研究の著名な研究者。ジョン・ラミレスが彼の著書「Witnessed」を読み、右鼻孔の鼻血に関する共通点を発見した。

‌‌マーク・シムズ (Mark Sims)‌‌：

CE6（人間が開始するUFOコンタクトに無線信号送信を付加するプロトコル）の提唱者。ジョン・ラミレスが彼の誕生日（2020年7月14日）にCE6セッションに参加し、白い球体を目撃した。

‌‌ジミー・ブランシェット (Jimmy Blanchett)‌‌：

マーク・シムズと共にCE6プロトコルに取り組む人物。月まで信号を送信し、跳ね返りを受信する無線装置を持っている。

‌‌エイヴリル・ヘインズ (Avril Haines)‌‌：

現国家情報長官（DNI）。最近、UAPに関する報告書で「地球外（extraterrestrially）」という言葉を使用したことで、ジョン・ラミレスにUAPの起源に関する情報開示への希望を与えた。

‌‌ルー・エリゾンド (Lou Elizondo)‌‌：

UFO現象に関する政府の情報開示に関わる人物の一人。ハイブリダイゼーション（混血）について「7万年前、我々のDNAに何らかの工夫があったかもしれない」と発言したとされる。

‌‌レズリー・ケイン (Leslie Kean)‌‌：

著名なUFOジャーナリスト。ジョン・ラミレスは、自身の体験に関する詳細な情報（CIA職員の名前など）を信頼して開示できる人物として名前を挙げている。

‌‌ラルフ・ブルーメンタール (Ralph Blumenthal)‌‌：

著名なUFOジャーナリスト。レズリー・ケインと同様に、ラミレスが信頼して情報開示できる人物として名前を挙げている。

‌‌ロス・クルサルト (Ross Coulthart)‌‌：

著名なUFOジャーナリスト。ラミレスはオーストラリア市民であるため、特定の機密情報の共有には躊躇があると述べている。

‌‌スタントン・フリードマン (Stanton Friedman)、ジョン・マック博士 (Dr. John Mack)、バド・ホプキンス (Bud Hopkins)、ロジャー・リアー博士 (Dr. Roger Lear)、ジム・マーズ (Jim Marrs)‌‌：

ジョン・ラミレスが初期のUFO会議（MUFON、X会議）で出会い、大きな影響を受けた「巨人たち」と称されるUFO研究者、作家、医師たち。

‌‌ラミレスの父方の曾祖母 (John Ramirez's Paternal Great-Grandmother)‌‌：

チェロキーインディアンの血を引く。ジョン・ラミレスの父親にアトランティスが実在し、高度な技術を持っていたことを伝えた「神秘的で形而上学的な」人物。

自身の生涯にわたる abduction 体験

これらの情報源とこれまでの会話履歴に基づくと、ジョン・ラミレス氏の「アブダクション」経験は、彼の‌‌生涯にわたる一連の異常な現象との関わり‌‌という、より大きな文脈の中で議論されています。彼自身の表現によれば、彼が経験したものは、単なる誘拐というよりも、彼が‌‌「連れて行かれたかった」‌‌と願った出来事であり、彼自身の意志が介在していたと述べています。

ラミレス氏の「アブダクション」経験の詳細は以下の通りです。

‌‌主体と場所‌‌: 彼は、体が「はるかに背の高い」存在の手によって持ち上げられ、‌‌宇宙船の中‌‌に運ばれたと記憶しています。宇宙船の廊下は凸状で、光で満たされ、円形に回転していたと描写しています。
‌‌処置‌‌: 彼は平らなテーブルに寝かされ、その際に「恐れるな、害は与えない」という安心させるメッセージを受け取ったと述べています。
‌‌身体的痕跡‌‌: その後、彼は目覚めると、‌‌股間や性器の周りに円形の「発疹」のような跡‌‌（「サーキュラーラッシュ」）があったと報告しています。この跡は翌日には消えていました。

この具体的な「アブダクション」経験は、ラミレス氏の他の様々な経験と密接に結びついています。

‌‌幼少期の予兆‌‌: 彼は4歳の頃から地球に「属していない」という深い感覚を抱き、空に対して親近感を覚えました。5歳から6歳の頃には、何度も‌‌ビクトリア朝の家‌‌に連れて行かれ、人間のような医者と看護師に検査されるという経験をしています。さらに、6歳か7歳の頃には、原始的な人間とUFOが描かれた本を見て、「私たちはあなたを作った」という‌‌精神的なメッセージ‌‌を受け取り、UFOが人類の創造と関連していると解釈しました。また、アンドロメダ銀河を望遠鏡で見た際には、「誰かが私を見ている」というメッセージを受け取り、地球が自分の家ではないという感覚が再び強まり、「家に連れて帰ってほしい」と願うようになりました。彼は成長するにつれて、自分を見つけてもらうためにひまわりを植える衝動に駆られました。
‌‌小さな存在との遭遇‌‌: 12歳か13歳の頃には、地下の洞窟へ‌‌小さな存在たちに手を取られて連れて行かれた‌‌経験があります。これらの存在は、一般的に描写されるグレイとは異なり、丸い目と丸みを帯びた頭部を持ち、肌の色は「ニュートラル」だったと述べています。
‌‌継続する現象と身体的特徴‌‌: 高校時代には、光の存在として宇宙を旅し、‌‌「今回は誰になりたいか選んでいい」‌‌と言われ、自身の誕生を鮮明に記憶する「生命の前の人生」を経験する夢を見ています。この夢は、数年後、‌‌ラジオ番組「Coast to Coast AM」で他の女性が全く同じ経験を語った‌‌ことで、彼にとって非常に大きなシンクロニシティとなりました。さらに、彼は成人してからも「睡眠麻痺」の経験を頻繁に持ち、部屋にいる存在を感じると共に、‌‌鼻血を伴う‌‌ことがありました。特に、彼の右の鼻孔からの鼻血と奇妙な瘢痕は、バド・ホプキンスの著書『Witnessed』に登場する同様の経験を持つ人物と共通しており、彼にとって偶然ではなく「シンクロニシティ」であると考えています。彼は現在も、右耳の近くで金属音が聞こえるなど、こうした経験が続いていると述べています。

ラミレス氏は、これらの経験を単なる異常な出来事として捉えるのではなく、自身の‌‌人生の目的‌‌と結びつけています。彼は、自分がこれらの経験を分かち合うことで、同様の経験をして戸惑っている人々に助けを提供し、彼らが自身の人生の目的を見つける手助けをしたいと考えています。また、CIAの元職員であった彼の立場も、これらの経験に対する彼のオープンな姿勢に影響を与えています。CIA内部でもUFO現象に関心を持つ者が多く、非公式に情報交換が行われていたことや、彼自身が公にUFOへの関心を示していたことは、彼の個人的な経験を語る背景となっています。彼は自身の医療記録をCIAから取得しようとしており、そこから「異星人のDNA」に関連する情報が見つかる可能性を探っています。これは、彼が自身の経験と「ハイブリッド」の概念を結びつけていることを示唆しています。ラミレス氏は、UAP（未確認空中現象）が「地球外」に由来する可能性があるという国家情報長官（DNI）ヘインズ氏の最近のコメントに言及し、ハイブリッドという概念が公に議論されるまでには長い道のりがあると考えています。しかし、彼は現象の「より高い意識の側面」や「ヒッチハイカー効果」のような「高奇妙性（high strangeness）」の側面も重要視しており、これらが研究されるべきだと考えています。

CIA が Google を育成した

これらの情報源とこれまでの会話履歴に基づくと、ジョン・ラミレス氏の証言は、CIAとGoogleの関係について、CIAが技術開発とその外部組織への拡散において果たす役割という、より大きな文脈の中で議論されています。

ラミレス氏によると、CIAとGoogleの関係は、Googleの設立以前から始まりました。

‌‌初期の関係と技術育成‌‌: Googleの創設者である大学院生たちは、‌‌全米科学財団（NSF）‌‌を通じて資金提供を受け、彼らの研究を進めていました。インテリジェンス・コミュニティ（IC）は、この補助金を通じて彼らに注目し、創設者の一人であるセルゲイ氏（Sergey）と関係を築いていきました。Googleが1998年9月頃に設立される以前、ラミレス氏はCIAの研究所で、当時試験運用されていたGoogleの検索エンジンを見せられたと述べています。以前はAlta Vistaという検索エンジンが使われていましたが、CIAはGoogleの検索エンジンを試験的に使用していました。これは、CIAとGoogleの間に何らかの関係があったことを示唆しています。
‌‌「Earth Viewer」から「Google Earth」へ‌‌: CIAには、NRO（国家偵察局）の画像を閲覧するために使用されていた‌‌「Earth Viewer」と呼ばれるプログラム‌‌がありました。このプログラムは、‌‌「Keyhole」という別の会社‌‌を通じてGoogleに‌‌移管‌‌され、それが後に‌‌Google Earth‌‌となりました。
‌‌画像の取得とインテリジェンス・コミュニティとのつながり‌‌: Google Earthが機能するためには衛星画像データが必要であり、当時、国家写真解読センター（NPIC）の数人の士官がNPICを退職し、商業画像を提供する新興企業で働き始めました。彼らと共に、古いNRO衛星数基とNRO技術がこの会社に引き継がれました。この会社は最終的に‌‌Digital Globe‌‌となり、現在は‌‌Maxar‌‌と呼ばれています。Google MapsやGoogle Earthで表示される画像は、Google自身が撮影したものではなく、主に‌‌Maxar Technologies‌‌から購入されたものであり、このMaxar Technologiesは‌‌インテリジェンス・コミュニティにルーツを持つ‌‌とされています。ラミレス氏は、Maxarは「フロント会社」ではなく「合法的な会社」であると明言しており、これは‌‌オーバーヘッド画像技術を企業に協力的に普及させるため‌‌の方法であったと説明しています。

このCIAとGoogleの関係は、CIAが外部組織とどのように関わるかというより大きな文脈の中で理解することができます。

‌‌技術の普及と活用‌‌: ソースは、CIAが‌‌Silent Sentry‌‌や‌‌Smart Dust‌‌のような非機密技術も開発し、これらが追跡や監視の目的に利用される可能性に言及しています。Googleとの関係も、CIAが持つ画像解析技術やデータへのアクセス能力を、民間セクターを通じて‌‌より広範に活用し、普及させる‌‌手段として捉えることができます。
‌‌公的・非公的な関係性‌‌: ラミレス氏は、CIA内部にはUFO現象に強い関心を持つ人々が多数存在し、‌‌「Coast to Coast AM」‌‌のファン同士が非公式に現象について語り合うなど、公にはされないが内部では共有される「公開された」会話が存在したと述べています。また、彼はLotus Notesデータベースの管理者として、より‌‌「難解な」話題‌‌（アヌンナキや火星のモニュメント、リモートビューイングなど）に関するチャンネルを設けていました。これは、情報機関内でのUFO現象への関心や、特定の技術的・科学的トピックに関する非公式な情報共有の土壌があったことを示唆しています。
‌‌認可された作戦の枠組み‌‌: ラミレス氏は、CIAに「不正なプログラム」は存在しないと強調しています。国防総省（DOD）やCIAのプログラムへの資金は‌‌議会から提供‌‌され、下院歳出委員会の国防小委員会が「ブラックバジェット」プログラムを把握しています。また、‌‌秘密作戦の実施には大統領の承認‌‌（大統領令）が必要であり、これは法律に基づいています。したがって、Googleとのような大規模な技術移転や協力は、‌‌最高レベルで承認された‌‌合法的かつ戦略的な取り組みであった可能性が高いことを示唆しています。CIAは法律によって契約の存在を公表する義務がないため、外部からは見えにくい形で協力が行われることがあります。
‌‌情報の限定性と機密保持‌‌: インテリジェンス・コミュニティ内の情報は‌‌厳しく区分化‌‌されており、CIAに所属していても全ての情報を知るわけではないとラミレス氏は説明しています。この機密保持と情報の限定性は、外部組織との協力関係がどのように維持されるかにも影響を与えます。

要するに、これらの情報源は、CIAとGoogleの関係が単なる偶然の出来事ではなく、‌‌インテリジェンス・コミュニティが技術を育成し、必要に応じて民間セクターを通じてそれを拡散・活用する戦略的な一環‌‌であった可能性を示唆しています。この関係は、CIAが国内外の外部組織と、公には認識されないが合法的な手段で協力し、特定の目的を達成してきた広範なパターンの一部と見なすことができます。

超常現象の意識的側面

これらの情報源とこれまでの会話履歴に基づくと、ジョン・ラミレス氏は、UFO情報の公開と未来というより大きな文脈において、超常現象の‌‌意識的側面‌‌が非常に重要であり、さらなる探求が必要であると強調しています。彼自身の生涯にわたる経験は、この意識的側面と深く結びついています。

ラミレス氏は、UAP（未確認空中現象）やUFO現象の背後にある「より高い意識の側面」について、政府の開示プロセスだけでなく、草の根的な研究を通じて重要視されるべきだと考えています。

意識的側面と関連する主な論点は以下の通りです。

‌‌「高奇妙性（High Strangeness）」の認識‌‌: ラミレス氏は、国防総省（DoD）が「ペンタゴンのスキンウォーカー」（Skinwalkers at the Pentagon）などの報告書を通じて、現象の「高奇妙性」の側面、特に‌‌意識との関連性‌‌を調査している兆候があると考えています。彼は特に‌‌「ヒッチハイカー効果」‌‌について言及し、その原因を説明できないと述べており、それが意識的側面と関連している可能性を示唆しています。
‌‌テレパシー的メッセージと同期現象‌‌:
- ラミレス氏自身、幼少期に望遠鏡でアンドロメダ銀河を見た際に‌‌「誰かがあちらから自分を見ている」というテレパシー的なメッセージ‌‌を受け取り、「自分は地球に属していない、故郷に帰りたい」という感覚を抱いたと述べています。
- いわゆる「アブダクション」経験においても、「恐れるな、害は与えない」という‌‌安心させるメッセージ‌‌を受け取ったと記憶しています。
- 高校時代の「人生の前の人生」の夢、つまり光の存在として宇宙を旅し、‌‌「今回は誰になりたいか選んでいい」‌‌という声を聞いて、自分の誕生を鮮明に記憶するという経験は、特に意識的側面が際立っています。この夢と全く同じ経験を「Coast to Coast AM」のラジオ番組で別の女性が語ったことは、ラミレス氏にとって‌‌「最高の奇妙さ」‌‌であり、単なる偶然ではない‌‌「シンクロニシティ」‌‌であると強調しています。
- バド・ホプキンスの著書『Witnessed』で描かれている、彼の経験と同様の右鼻孔からの鼻血や奇妙な瘢痕も、彼にとって「偶然ではなくシンクロニシティ」と捉えられています。
- 自身の誕生日（2020年7月14日）に白いオーブを目撃した際にも、‌‌「共有すべき情報がある。今こそその情報を共有する時だ。それが私たちからのメッセージだ」というメッセージ‌‌を受け取ったと述べています。
‌‌人生の目的としての経験‌‌: ラミレス氏は、これら超常現象の経験が、彼自身の‌‌人生の目的‌‌と深く結びついていると考えています。彼は、自分の経験を共有することで、同様の経験をして戸惑っている人々に助けを提供し、彼らが自身の人生の目的を見つける手助けをしたいと述べています。彼はこの現象の「ナッツ・アンド・ボルツ」の部分（UFOやETそのもの）よりも、「なぜ彼らがここにいるのか、彼らは誰なのか」というメッセージに興味があると語っています。
‌‌死生観の変化‌‌: 「人生の前の人生」の夢は、ラミレス氏の死生観に大きな影響を与えています。彼は‌‌「誕生前の人生」‌‌が存在すると信じており、死は単なる移行状態に過ぎないと述べ、‌‌死を恐れていない‌‌と語っています。
‌‌政府の開示における課題‌‌: ラミレス氏は、政府によるUAP情報の開示は、まだ「ハイブリッド」のような意識的側面に関する議論にまで至っていないと考えています。DNI（国家情報長官）ヘインズ氏がUAPの起源が「地球外」である可能性に言及したことは進展ではあるものの、多くの人々はまだETの存在を想像の産物、睡眠麻痺などと捉えているため、これらのより抽象的な概念が広く受け入れられるには時間がかかると示唆しています。
‌‌草の根的アプローチへの期待‌‌: ラミレス氏は、政府が意識的側面や量子力学との関連性といった、より抽象的な側面について自身の情報を開示したがらない可能性があるため、‌‌「ガリレオ・プロジェクト」‌‌のような学術界や科学コミュニティの「草の根的な発展」に期待を寄せています。

結論として、ジョン・ラミレス氏は、UFO現象の‌‌意識的側面‌‌が、彼の個人的な経験の中核をなし、人類全体の存在目的や死生観にも影響を与える深遠なテーマであると捉えています。彼は、この意識的側面が、政府の開示プロセスだけでなく、個人レベルでの探求や草の根の研究を通じて、最終的に解明されることを期待していると言えるでしょう。

少年期の abduction 体験

幼少期の経験というより大きな文脈において、これらの情報源は、ジョン・ラミレス氏の12〜13歳の頃に小柄な存在と遭遇した出来事について、それが彼の‌‌人生全体にわたる現象との繋がり‌‌と、その中で彼が受け取った‌‌メッセージの重要性‌‌を強調しています。

この遭遇に関する詳細と、それが示す文脈は以下の通りです。

‌‌遭遇の時期と場所‌‌: ラミレス氏の次の記憶は、彼が‌‌12歳から13歳‌‌の頃で、小柄な存在に手を取られ、‌‌地下の洞窟‌‌へと導かれたというものです。
‌‌存在の外見‌‌:
- 彼らは小柄でした。
- Whitley Strieberの著書『Communion』に一般的に描かれている「グレイ」とは異なり、‌‌アーモンド型の目ではなく、より丸い目‌‌をしていました。
- 頭部は尖っておらず、‌‌丸みを帯びた角‌‌をしていました。
- 口や鼻の穴は、人間ほどはっきりとは識別できなかったと述べています。
- 肌の色は「灰色」ではなく、「‌‌非常にニュートラルな色‌‌」で、「まだら模様」と表現しています。緑色でも肉色でもなかったと明確に述べています。
- 彼らは12〜13歳のラミレス氏よりも‌‌はるかに小柄‌‌だったと記憶しています（現在のラミレス氏は身長178cmです）。
‌‌受け取ったメッセージ‌‌: 存在たちは彼の手を握り、「‌‌恐れるな、何も恐れることはない‌‌」と安心させるようなメッセージを伝えました。彼はその後の出来事をあまり覚えていないと述べています。
‌‌体験との共通性‌‌: ラミレス氏は、自身と同様に幼少期に小柄な存在に地下へ連れて行かれたというDr. Rebecca Hardcastleの経験に言及しており、‌‌他の体験者との共通のパターン‌‌が存在する可能性を示唆しています。
‌‌その後の影響と人生の目的‌‌:
- この遭遇は、ラミレス氏が幼少期から抱いていた「‌‌私を見つけてください、ここから連れて行ってください‌‌」という、地球に属していないという感覚と、故郷に帰りたいという切望に繋がっています。彼はこの気持ちから、自分が発見されることを願ってヒマワリを植える衝動に駆られたことも述べています。
- これらの初期の体験は、彼が後の人生でUFO現象に関する情報を公に共有するという‌‌目的を形成する一因‌‌となっています。彼は自身の体験を共有することで、同様の経験をして戸惑っている人々に、彼ら自身の人生の目的を見つける手助けをしたいと考えています。彼はこの現象の「ナッツ・アンド・ボルツ（具体的な物体や存在）」よりも、「‌‌彼らがなぜここにいるのか、彼らは誰なのか‌‌」というメッセージに関心があると語っています。
- この遭遇で受けた「恐れるな」というメッセージや、その他の彼の幼少期の体験（例えば、望遠鏡でアンドロメダ銀河を見た際のテレパシー的メッセージや、本を見た際の「私たちはあなたを作った」というメッセージ）は、彼が‌‌生涯にわたって超常現象の意識的側面と深く関わってきた‌‌ことを示しています。彼は、これらのメッセージが単なる偶然ではなく、「シンクロニシティ」であると捉えています。

総じて、12〜13歳の小柄な存在との遭遇は、ラミレス氏の個人的な体験の重要な一節であり、彼の‌‌生涯にわたるUFO現象との関わり‌‌、特に‌‌意識的なコミュニケーションと「人生の目的」への気づき‌‌という、より大きな文脈の中で理解されるべきものです。

情報源 : 動画(1:50:31)

John Ramirez ｜ CIA Officers Experiences with 'The Phenomenon'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-b97V-Wkw0

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（以下はインタビュー動画の文字起こしです。長いので 2分割し、その前半です。内容は元 CIA 職員の John Ramirez がゲストで、聞き手は Jay Anderson です。）

Alright, so we're back with John Ramirez. Last time we had you on, it was for the exclusive video of your presentation titled Navigating the US Intelligence Community for Ufologists. And that presentation was extremely popular. I think it's the second most watched video on my channel now. It's coming in at about 53,000 views, still going up. Yeah, and for anyone who hasn't watched it, there'll be a link in the description box below so you can always check that out. (0:00:43)

But since then, you've made the rounds on a few different podcasts and I wanted to get you back on for two reasons really. One, to go a little deeper into your personal experiences with the phenomenon and how that's affected you and your kind of perspective on that. But also definitely to comb back over some of the responses you've given to your most recent interviews that I think are worth going over again. (0:01:05)

But I think probably good to start off with a little bit of a exclusive, something that you mentioned to me privately, which you've agreed to talk about on the record, which is that you contacted the CIA to gain access to your medical records. And that was to document the discovery of a precise surgical incision in your right nostril. (0:01:27)

And this led to some inquiries within the agency, is that right? Yes, I did reach back to the agency because it's part of this whole hybrid controversy that people question whether the actual meeting happened and whether I'm just telling a story. What was the truth behind it? And I wanted to combine my medical records of something CIA might have found that they felt was unusual, combined with the hybrid story. (0:01:58)

And it's an ongoing process. And so, unlike in FOIA or even going through what I did with the presentation, the Pre-Publication Classification Review Board, this is a direct entry into CIA to the Privacy Coordinator. And the Privacy Coordinator deals with former officers and current officers seeking to get records about themselves in their service with CIA. So, I went through that route and I did get a response back, not my medical records, but they acknowledged that I did request these records and they are working on it. (0:02:39)

So, that's where we're at right now. And so, what I'm going to do is follow up with what we call a HIPAA request, which is the release authorized by me of my medical records to a doctor. And it's been suggested to me that that might be a better way to prompt their response that I'm not just getting the records for myself, but it's going to a doctor. (0:03:08)

And so, it will be from the Office of Medical Services at CIA to a physician that I know. And so, that direct transfer of the medical records to another physician and then my personal physician that can interact with me, CIA might be more comfortable with that. And that's where we're at right now with that process. (0:03:26)

Right. And this is connected to your understandings of perhaps having some form of an implant. Is that correct? That is what I feel is the reason why it garnered such interest at CIA. It was basically just a medical visit. I fell down on my back. I fell on my back as I was reaching for a Kleenex tissue to take care of a nosebleed. (0:03:57)

And these chairs have wheels, they roll back, and I missed the chair and did not miss the floor, unfortunately. So, I was flat on my back. My coworkers were concerned about that. They called medical services. They put me on a gurney and took me up to the clinic where they examined me. Now, I thought it would be just a routine exam. (0:04:21)

Understandably, they took the x-ray just to check my spine because I did fall down on my back and everything was fine. But they did say that they saw evidence of an accident or some other major surgery that happened to me in the x-ray. And I go, I don't think so. I never had any surgery whatsoever in my life. I still have all my wisdom teeth. (0:04:48)

I have my tonsils. Nothing was taken out of me. But they said that, well, this one doctor said that we saw something unusual. And then they treated the nosebleed issue. And so, I was lying down and they shined a light, one of these long, you know, examination lights that they can see inside. (0:05:10)

And they said, oh, it looks like... have you ever had surgery in your right nostril here? We see something. And I go, no, I never had any kind of surgery whatsoever, including the right nostril. And so, they said, well, there's something interesting here. And they looked around a little more and said, I'm going to get a colleague if you don't mind. (0:05:37)

I said, fine. And so, this one doctor gets a colleague and they come over back and said, well, we have this patient here. And would you take a look? So, the second doctor took a look and go, hmm, that's interesting. It looks like a surgical site. And I reiterated, no, I've never had surgery there. (0:05:57)

And then they go off and they'll have a sidebar conference. And then they come back and say, would you like for us to cauterize it? And so, they cauterize it. But before they did so, they asked me if I had... they had my permission to remove some tissue around it to clean the wound or whatever they needed to do. (0:06:17)

So, they took some tissue around that area. As to what they removed other than tissue, I don't know. But they did remove something and I don't know what happened to it. And then they proceeded with the cauterization. Were these people within the agency? Was this a... CIA doctors, yes. Right. So, I mean, I don't want to like play too much of a fantastical card, but just out of some level of speculation, do you think maybe they were silently interested in the fact that you had this anomalous thing and wanted to take a sample to take away somewhere and have a look at or? (0:06:49)

In my mind, I think that's what happened. Because the fact that the second doctor was called in to do a simple cauterization, any doctor can do that. And the fact that they had a discussion on to the side, which I was not privy to, raised suspicions in my mind that they found something. (0:07:09)

So, that's why I wanted to get my medical records of that time to see exactly what they might have found. And I'm very curious to see those medical records because in my mind, it was just a simple procedure. Nothing in that record should be redacted. I should be able to see everything, including whatever notes they took of the procedure, unless they had a second record that did not show me where they kept their notes about what they saw or recovered. I don't know that. (0:07:43)

Yeah, well, I guess you would know better than me if they'd do something like that. Yeah, I don't see why they would. But in the context of what we know about implants and so forth, that raises suspicions in my own mind. What did they find? Did they find anything of that nature within me? So, are you confident that you will get these medical records? (0:08:08)

I am confident I will get the medical records. I'll be more confident if they have some assurance that it's going to another doctor. Right. And so I'll go ahead and do that process, just to facilitate their release of medical information. Yeah. Well, so alongside being a career intelligence officer in the CIA, you've also been a lifelong experiencer, by the sound of it, of anomalous phenomena. (0:08:41)

And I think we'd all... you've spoken about it a few times, but I think we'd all be interested just to hear about this in more detail. Could you take us back to maybe the earliest experiences you remember, and just kind of go through it in the way that you would like to tell it? I can go back to when I was like age four, when I saw through my first telescope, sky, the night sky, stars, the moon, and having this profound feeling that I did not belong on earth. I felt an affinity toward what I was seeing, that this is where I belong. (0:09:18)

And then when I moved to the United States, my mother stayed back in Japan for a while to learn English. She spoke no English whatsoever. And my father had my sister and myself with him. And we moved to my father's family in San Antonio, Texas. And I lived with my paternal grandmother there. And so right after that, then I moved with my aunt and uncle in Fort Lee, Virginia, which is near Petersburg, Virginia. And this was like 1958 and 59. So there was when I first saw what I thought to be a craft. (0:10:15)

I saw something silvery, somewhat of an oval shape, rising above the treetops. And I was with my cousins and our playmates. And I pointed to the treetop. Do you see it? Do you see it? And no one saw it. They didn't know what I was pointing at. They ignored everything. There's nothing there. You know, they couldn't see anything. I saw it. I saw it lift above the treetops, and then silently move away. (0:10:42)

So it was like a disc, a saucer. (0:10:46)

It was more not a saucer shape, but more of an oblong shape, if you will, more like a rugby ball than a saucer. So it's that oblong shape. And as I said, no one else saw it. I saw it. And I didn't ascribe to it anything unusual other than I couldn't understand why my playmates could not see it. (0:11:19)

Then my mother arrived, and then we moved to Petersburg, Virginia, in our own place with my father and my sister. And there is at that residence is when I started having the experiences of being taken, as I described in so many interviews to this Victorian house, and being examined by a doctor and a nurse, and being escorted to this house by a woman who was not my mother. (0:11:45)

And having those experiences on the first floor examination, on the second floor examination, and it occurred more than once, these experiences, which could they be a dream? I'm sure they could be a dream. But the fact that they were recurring, and the fact that they spoke to me in reassuring tones that nothing, we just want to like examine you, nothing will happen to you, you're safe. (0:12:08)

And they were human. They were human. They were human. Yeah, they were human looking. And when I asked my mother about whether I had any kind of medical procedure at any such place like this house, she said, No, absolutely not. You never had any procedure like that. And what kind of procedures were they? They were basically just examining me, like, basically, like, I don't know if they had instruments, because in my mind, it was more like a very primitive, not primitive, but more like something I later identified as coming from the late 1800s, the Victorian era, so to speak, of the late 1800s medical office, the furnishings, everything looked like from that period, and even even their treatment methods and behavior. (0:13:00)

Yeah, it seemed like, you know, the uniforms they were wearing, look very much like when you see an old period piece from that, depicting that era, with medical people, they're wearing certain kinds of garb, that was more related to that era. If we say for the sake of argument, that this was the phenomenon, it was it was some phenomena related thing. (0:13:26)

I mean, what do you think the rationale behind that is using a Victorian era, kind of almost simulation for you? I mean, have you given that any thoughts as to why that was chosen? I don't know. It's just that it seemed like non threatening. Yeah, I guess. I mean, and the town I lived in Petersburg, Virginia, I lived on a street called West Washington Street. And on that street, keeping in mind, this was like the 1950s. So a house that's 50 years old, would be built according to the architecture of a Victorian house, which I described, which in what I saw was an A-frame house with a turret on one side, on the left side, a turret with windows on the top, wraparound porch. So it sort of fit the kind of houses that I saw as a student in first grade. (0:14:17)

I used to walk to school and pass by these houses all the time. And back then, you know, Victorian sounds so ancient, but in the 1950s, they were like, quite conceivably, you know, a house that you would see if you subtract 50 years from 2021. And then all of a sudden, you're getting a house in the 70s, right? So it's not inconceivable, inconceivable that you'll see a house built in the 1900s still standing and occupying in the late 50s. Come to England, we're all living in about three 400 year old houses, mate, I mean. (0:14:48)

Exactly. Yeah, I think my mom's house is a good few hundred years old. It's definitely haunted. (0:14:56)

But so yeah, you had, okay, so you had these experiences. And remind me, how old were you when these were occurring? I was five and six years old. So from five to six, you were having this recurring thing. So what happened after this? Well, at six and seven, and it's hard to think back, because we compress time. This was still in Petersburg, Virginia. So I knew it was between six and seven, that I still lived in Petersburg, Virginia. And we went to a department store, which back in the US, they were called five and dimes, because ostensibly, everything was supposed to cost a nickel or a dime, you know, of course, you know, that was just a name. (0:15:43)

And so it was a old fashioned department store with books laid out in large bins. It wasn't like a modern department store, as we would say today. And this large book of bins, I always went for the books, because I love books. And I was just thumbing through books. And I opened one book up that had the illustration of a primitive man and woman on the left lower corner of this page. (0:16:14)

And the woman was holding up her hands. And in her hands was a baby that looked like, not like them, but more like a modern baby would look like. And above that couple was two saucers and one saucer was shining its light on the woman holding the baby up. And then I got this message in my mind, you know, this is where you came from. (0:16:48)

We made you. So it associated flying saucers with something to do with humanity's creation. You know, this is where you came from. This is who you are. We made you. I thought that was very profound, even for me, I kind of understood that, oh, wow, you know, this is, you know, UFOs came down and created humans in my, you know, young mind. (0:17:19)

So I went to get my mother who was shopping in another part of the store to get this book. I just laid the book down flat on top of the other books, which were arrayed on vertically. So I laid the book down horizontally on top of these other vertical books so I could find it. (0:17:38)

Went to my mother, got back, it could have been more than like a minute or two. It wasn't that long of a period. And that book was nowhere to be found. I looked for everywhere. And I said, mom, I can't find it. I had a book I wanted to see. I can't find it. So that was another experience I had. (0:17:59)

And the hits keep on coming because as I grew older, I was interested in astronomy. I was always interested in astronomy. That's what I wanted to be when people asked me, what do you want to be when you grow up? I said, I want to be an astronomer. My parents bought me books on astronomy. (0:18:17)

And even in the second grade, when I was seven, I did a presentation standing up before the class. We had to like talk about a book we read. (0:18:21)

And I talked about this astronomy book and described all the planets. And they were asking me questions. And I knew how far these planets were from the sun and how far. I knew details that the teachers thought was astounding, astounding for someone that's seven years old. But I was just interested in the topic. (0:18:47)

And so my parents bought me a telescope, a 40 powered by 60 millimeter objective lens telescope, took it out and was looking for some of the celestial bodies that were described in my astronomy book. And one that I wanted to see was the Andromeda galaxy. And so I looked for it in Cassiopeia. And it was a cold, dark night. (0:19:11)

And so the stars would be much more brighter than in the summertime. We didn't have the heat causing distortion effects. So it was a crisp night. And there it was, I found a faint little patch of something near the Cassiopeia constellation. I pointed my scope at it. And there it was, I saw the disk that was the Andromeda galaxy. (0:19:36)

And then the message I got at that point was feeling that someone up there was looking back at me, looking at them. So that's a profound message that we're looking at you too. And again, the same feeling that I didn't belong on planet Earth, that I belong somewhere else. And there I had the experience of I was left behind by mistake, and they need to come find me. (0:20:06)

They need to take me. Please bring me home, because this was not my home. Earth was not my home. As I grew older, I had experiences with actual beings. So the next experience I remember was at that point, I think I was like 12 years old, over 13 years old. I remember being taken by the hand by these small beings. I didn't know about grays back then. (0:20:37)

I had no ideas what a gray was. I don't know if anyone knew what a gray was back then. And this was like 12 years old, would have been like mid 60s. And so these small beings would leave me by the hand underneath, under the ground, it was a cave. And I tried to like push away. (0:21:00)

But then they held on to me and said, don't be afraid. The same message, don't be afraid. There's nothing to fear. And these small beings, did they look like grays now looking back? Or was it something else? They didn't look like the grays that is popularly depicted in Whitley Strieber's communion book. They didn't look like that at all. Their heads were, they didn't have the almond shaped eyes. (0:21:32)

The eyes were more round. And the heads were not so pointy like you see in the communion book. They had like a rounded corners of their head were more rounded. It did come down, but not as sharply. It was all rounded and they had round eyes. And I did not discern much of a mouth or any kind of nostrils or breathing as prominent as you would see on a human being. Can you remember the skin color? (0:22:04)

Yes, they were like very, like, not gray, but more. (0:22:10)

Gosh, it's more kind of a very neutral color. It's hard to describe. Because gray can be a lot of things. But it wasn't, it wasn't definitely not green, and definitely not flesh colored. And so it was more of a mottled, mottled, not beige exactly. But I would say neutral, some neutral color that didn't really stand out as much. So that's the way I remembered them. (0:22:43)

And they were, they were very small. They were like, at 12 or 13, I imagine, I don't know what my height would be. But they were smaller than me at 12 and 13. And I'm five feet 10 right now. So they were much smaller than me. And I don't remember much after that. Have you ever spoken to Dr. Rebecca Hardcastle? No, I have not. (0:23:09)

Okay, she's, I'm pretty sure she's still the director for the Institute for Exoconsciousness. She was, funnily enough, one of the first, she was the first person I ever interviewed, and I lost that interview before I properly have Project Unity up. So I need to get it back on. But she actually described a very similar thing when she was a child of being taken underground by small beings. (0:23:36)

And so I thought it might be interesting to connect with her because it sounds like you've had similar experiences. That's why I was curious about it. Because, yeah, it resonates very much with what she told me a while ago. And at the time, I was like, wow, that's wild. But now I'm hearing it again. So that's interesting. So the next memory I have, I had a compulsion to plant sunflowers. (0:23:58)

I said this before, watching the sunflowers grow, because I wanted them to find me. And that's the theme I had growing up. Please find me, please take me away from here. And I didn't have a traumatic childhood or anything. It's not like I was trying to escape from my family. I just felt like I wanted to be up in the stars, not on Earth. Were you talking to your parents about this at all? No, not whatsoever. (0:24:24)

No, I have a side story about that. That's very interesting. And I'll get to that. But the encounter I had after planting sunflower seeds was more of a traditional what people will call an abduction. But in this case, I wanted to be taken. So I don't say I was abducted against my free will. (0:24:49)

It was my will to be taken. I was disappointed they brought me back, that I woke up the next morning with markings on my body. But I experienced being held in the hands of a being that was much taller. I did not get a good view of that being's facial features. But it was definitely like hands and two arms. And it had two feet, it was bipedal is walking around. (0:25:12)

This is in your room at night, is it? Yeah, they were already hands were like, taking me up. Right. And in the craft, I remember the corridor or the hallway, if you will, was, I guess this is called convex. So it was like that, and it was lit all around, but there was no lights. That's a common that's a common thing. Yeah. And then it was circular. (0:25:39)

I knew that because I could see the walls, you know, rotating around as we were walking around us conforming to our path. And they brought me someplace where there was a flat table of some sort. And they just laid me down. And again, the reassurance is don't be afraid, you know, we're not going to harm you. (0:26:05)

And I don't remember much after that, other than waking up and I had markings on my body. Now, before I said markings on my body, I'm going to describe to you and your audience, those markings were around my groin area around my genitals. (0:26:17)

So whatever caused those markings, it was a circular, I would call it a circular rash. Right. Almost as if there was some kind of instrument or something placed against me that caused this marking or rash. It disappeared like the next day. It wasn't a permanent marking. So it was, it was gone the next day. (0:26:42)

It didn't really hurt me or anything. It was just, I thought it was really strange combined with this memory I had. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't, but you don't have, you don't have memory of the actual specific procedures or anything? No. Yeah. No, no, not whatsoever about that. Now the aside I was going to tell you about was around that same age, my father told me a story about his, his grandmother would be my great-grandmother on my father's side. (0:27:15)

So the, my great-grandmother on my father's side was Cherokee Indian, Cherokee Indian. And she told my father about the story of Atlantis. She said Atlantis was real and that it had advanced technology. That was real. And so my father related to me, you know, there was a place called, I never heard of Atlantis. There's a place called Atlantis that had advanced technology long time ago, and it's a real place. (0:27:51)

And your great-grandmother who was Cherokee Indian knew about it and told me about it. And it was something that she was told along, along ways. And my father described his grandmother, my great-grandmother, as she was sort of like, very mystical. Like she's almost like, if there's such things as a medicine woman in the Cherokee nation, she was more like that. (0:28:15)

She was very mystical, very metaphysical, I guess you would call it in today's terms. And so that was in my lineage, this Cherokee Indian heritage. Well, there's a lot to be said about the experiences that the Native Americans have had with the phenomenon. I mean, it's at least within what we are allowed to know, because there is very much, you know, secretive oral traditions and the passing down of knowledge within the community. (0:28:45)

So there's only so much as outsiders that we can know. But we do know just kind of from either people interviewing individuals or just from a historical record that they treat it pretty much as commonplace. I mean, you know, they understand that these things are very much intrinsic with reality. Yes, yes, they do. And so I think there, you know, sometimes we look at myths and legends as stories, categories. (0:29:11)

And I'm thinking maybe we should look at them as like history. And look at it from that perspective. And then a lot of things that are happening now, what we call the phenomenon or phenomena, makes sense. The high strangeness aspect to Westerners, Europeans and North Americans, a pure high strangeness. But when you go back to the indigenous peoples of the old world, and in Latin America, it's not high strangeness. It's part of their culture, part of the culture. (0:29:48)

Yeah. So I think it like behooves us to like treat that as history as a way of investigating the phenomenon. Yeah, I think you're right. And I'm also I'm great. It's interesting that you brought up Atlantis, because it's something that's actually cropped up a few times recently for me. And I've always been interested in this idea, because I don't really understand the idea that Plato was using some sort of allegory to describe society at large and where it could go, because it's dismissed by skeptics as him just kind of telling a tale to give people a framework of society and how it could fall into fall into ruin. (0:30:37)

But he he described the measurements of the place he described in Stadia, like the actual measurements, the geographic location, very specific details. (0:30:43)

And, you know, he was supposed to have got this information from I think it was like his great, great, great grandfather Solon, the Greek philosopher Solon. And the story goes there that, you know, he traveled to the city of of Sais in Egypt and spoke to the the sages and the mystics of the of the Sais temples. (0:31:07)

And and they were the ones that told him that, you know, you don't know, you don't know any of your own history. It's you know, there's been rise and fall of empires beyond beyond your time. And so I think that there's definitely something there with Atlantis. And I find the the Ricard structure, the the eye of the Sahara, that's one of the that's one of the top candidates for some people in terms of a location of Atlantis. You know, the eye of the Sahara. Yeah. The Ricard structure. (0:31:36)

Have you heard of that? I've heard of it. Yes. Yeah. There's some CIA files on the Ricard structure. They did some electromagnetic kind of readings of the place. And I thought it was quite interesting that they actually actually had some previously classified files on the Ricard. Yes. And usually it's something that might have been picked up by our sensors as a disturbance of the sensor. (0:32:07)

And so many of of the phenomena kind of goes back to a disturbance in the sensor. Right. What is going on? And so I told the story about the light energy orb working group. Yeah. It was originally a disturbance. You know, we saw something in our imagery that looks like look like some kind of disturbance or anomaly. And we need to investigate this. (0:32:27)

And so that's happened a lot. I talked about the South Atlantic Anomaly and the Bermuda Triangle as being an area of another electromagnetic high strangeness, to the point that unless a satellite is hardened against this phenomenon there, that the electronics will will be malfunctioning over that region. So either before we had to turn off the electronics and we harden it for this phenomenon, and then now we're more cautious as we fly over that area. (0:33:05)

So yeah, it's something to electromagnetic magnetism emanating from the earth for whatever reason. It could be natural. I mean, I give that to the skeptics and debunkers. It could be a natural thing. But then, you know, it's it bears more research. Yeah. Like, is this what's happening at Skinwalker? Is there an electromagnetic phenomenon at work? Exactly. Yeah. That was the that was the next place on my mind, Skinwalker. So going back to your experiences, is there any is there anything else that jumps out as an experience going forward? (0:33:35)

Yeah, you've got quite a few. Many, many. In high school, I had an experience, it's, it's a dream, but it's a very unusual dream. And there's an interesting aside to that, too. So I had this dream of being in a astral celestial place, I can't describe it. But I wasn't in corporeal form, I was in light form, some kind of light being form with others of my kind. (0:34:09)

And I was very happy there. Because within this context, I told myself, finally, I made it home. This is my home. I don't want to go anywhere. This is such a beautiful place. I don't want to leave. But then a voice came to me on my right side, this voice said to me, it's time for you to go back. (0:34:30)

You have work to do. And I protested, I don't want to go back. I like it here. But no, you have work to do. And so here is a, I was presented with a landscape. And in that landscape, I call it a imagine like a giant carton of eggs. You know, you have little eggs and they're little, little pockets, but it's like infinite. (0:35:04)

It goes out forever. And instead of a white egg, you see little swirls of light. And these little spherical structures. And I was flown over all of these little structures of light that were shaped like, like a ball or like a sphere. And I was told again, by this voice on my right side, you can pick who you want to be this time. (0:35:30)

Pick who you want to be. And I flew over and I saw one that attracted my attention. It was blue and white swirling like clouds inside this sphere that I could see through. And when I looked into it, I could see this individual's entire life from birth to death. And I said, I want to be this person. And the voice said, go forth, be that person, go in. (0:36:01)

And so I went into, I felt myself going into this sphere of light and then immediately remembered being born. And the entire process of being born to the point that I heard the doctor's voices, vividly remember being born. So that was an unusual experience for me. And it was a profound experience for me to experience birth. But having experienced birth, I'm not afraid of death. Because I believe I saw a life. People talk about life after death. (0:36:40)

I talk about life before birth, that there's a life before birth, you're born, and there's a life after birth. Don't think of death as like the finality of it all. It's just a transition state that you'll be going through. So I'm not afraid of death. Now, here's the aside. I was an avid listener of Coast to Coast AM. And at this time, it was Art Bell, who had the hosting duties at Coast to Coast AM. He hosted something called Open Lines, where people can call in and talk about anything. And so I was listening to this. (0:37:22)

And it was early on in the evening, because on the East Coast, it goes into like four o'clock in the morning. But it was early on in the evening when he was on. And so I was listening to it. And a woman called and said, Art, I need to tell you about an experience I had. (0:37:38)

It may have been a dream, but I experienced it. And you know what she said? I was flying over this vast plane. And it had little spheres all over of different colors. And a voice came over my right shoulder and said, Who do you want to be this time? Pick one. And she described, I picked one and I remember being born. And so I just want to say that. (0:38:05)

You can imagine my reaction. How many days after your experience, did you hear this? (0:38:14)

Oh, years later. Oh, years later. Yeah, because I was in high school when I had that experience. And then I was working at CIA. And I was living in my condo in Washington, D.C. And I know it was around a year. I remember I still still using Windows 98. That's how I remember. So I used to have a hobby of making my own computers, building it myself. (0:38:41)

And I remember had Windows 98 SE, I think it was called, on my computer while I was listening to the radio. And so this woman said, I just wanted to like, I needed to share this story. And when I heard it, my spine went like, yeah, yeah, electricity up and down my spine was like, and I try to get back on, I try to get on the air. (0:39:03)

I mean, you forget it, you know, when you try to get on the air, there's like stacks and stacks of call and you're lucky to get on. First time call the line, you know, call the number. Yeah. No, it didn't happen. Wow. That is incredible, though. And so at that time, they didn't have what's called Coast Insider, where you can subscribe and then go back to the old recordings that he would put in his archive. (0:39:28)

So they didn't have that feature that I could like join Coast Insider and then go back. I wonder if there's a copy out there somewhere in the ether. Maybe so. I don't know if anyone knows what we're talking about here, then please. Yeah, email, email me and we'll get this back out there because it'd be so good to hear that. I tell the story because I'm hoping that woman who told the story will be a enthusiast of the phenomenon. And if she hears my voice telling that story, I hope that in some way she'll be able to connect with me because. Yeah, absolutely. More than it's the synchronicity more than. (0:40:05)

No, I mean, that's that's that's just like. That was the highest strangeness thing. I mean, even more highly strange than being taken up on a craft. Very tangible story that this woman told. Yeah. Well, just having it described pretty much verbatim for what you experienced. I mean, that's that's just phenomenal. (0:40:28)

And to be honest, the way in which you the way in which you described it, I could I could believe that that's the way it is that, you know, you can just observe which one you want to go into and you see that you see that basic storyline and you decide if you want to play that character. I mean, you know, it's it's it's definitely got its intense moments. (0:40:46)

But I do think life is kind of like a game. You choose you choose who you're going to be and you play through that and you you try and do your best. And once you once once it's the end of that character, it's not the end of the of the actual player itself. You go off and you can choose what you want to do next. (0:41:07)

I mean, that's just my personal belief. But I feel I feel like the way in which you described that scenario. Yeah, that that fits with me. And the work I need to do is what I believe I'm doing now. Yeah, because it fits with the other experiences I've had. (0:41:19)

In the interim, I've had what's commonly described as sleep paralysis. Yeah, yeah. And having beings in the room, for some reason, they like bedrooms at night. For some reason, they're like 3 a.m. to 4 a.m. local time, wherever you are. They tend to show up at that time. Yeah. And so the nosebleed again, the nosebleeds occurred during that time period between three and four in the morning. (0:41:48)

I will wake up with some like liquid forming around my mouth and then I find out it's blood. And sometimes it's accompanied with like feelings of anxiety that I'm bleeding. Why is this happening? Yeah. And so I've had this over a period of time and I had nosebleeds ever since I was a child. These nosebleeds were occur. (0:42:23)

And so when I was having these nosebleeds and being a believer as well and trying to put it all together, I picked up a book by Bud Hopkins and I believe the book is called Witnessed. And it's about the Brooklyn Bridge abduction of a woman, I believe in the book, identified as Linda. I don't know if that's her real name, but in the book, Bud Hopkins described that she and her family all had these right nostril nosebleeds, not left but right, just like mine. (0:42:59)

Oh, okay. And you also have this strange scar in your right nostril. So there's something going on there. Right, exactly. So that sort of like for me is another synchronicity and not a coincidence. And so it'd be interesting to see if other experiencers have any kind of manifestation of any kind of strange nosebleeds or even everything on the right side, like sounds in the right ear. (0:43:28)

Like I can hear sometimes wake up to the sound of something metallic near my right ear, like a metallic instrument that's flapping the wind extremely fast. And I've had those experiences as well. So again, this has been a lifelong period of experiences ever since I was a child to even present day. (0:43:54)

I still have visitations to this present day. Well, yeah, I remember when we went on record last time, you said that your wife had recently seen orange orbs, right? Right. Over the Santa Catalina mountains. And I saw a white one on my birthday in 2020. And have you ever engaged in like a contact protocol to try and invite this stuff, you know, CE5? I did a CE6, which is with Mark Sims using his radios. (0:44:23)

Right. And so I described in the Harmonic Convergence 2020 on my birthday, July 14th in 2020. He had a global gathering, no matter where you're at, you know, in over the United States, it's dark. He would tone H-U, H-U, Hugh. And my wife being a singer, and also I see the guitar behind you, she plays guitar and used to sing and play guitar at various venues. (0:44:54)

Nice. That she would tone Hugh along with Mark. What do you mean tone Hugh? Sorry. He would sing Hugh. Oh, right. (0:44:59)

Much like people would tone Ong. Right, right, right. Is there some sort of, is there a relevance to Hugh or was it just selected as a...? I believe there is a relevance in a belief system called Ekandar. I may have got that wrong. I'm sure your audience will correct me, but E-C-K-H-A-N-D-A-R, I don't know, Ekandar, Ekandar, I don't know how it's pronounced. (0:45:35)

But Hugh is part of their observation, their practice of toning Hugh. And that's what Mark was doing. And so after he toned Hugh, we were both meditating. My wife and I are both meditators. And I was looking over the mountains meditating and not really expecting anything, but there was a bright white orb. And to skeptics and detractors and debunkers, I know what an aircraft looks like. (0:46:09)

I know what an aircraft light looks like. I know what a satellite in space looks like, what's flying. I know what these natural phenomenon or these natural things look like in the sky. And this wasn't it. This is something that blinked on, got really bright. You can tell that it was a round or spherical shape. (0:46:37)

I can't say spherical because I didn't see a 3D sphere around it, let's say round. And it wasn't like shining brightly. It was just there. It wasn't like there was like a halo around it or like other streaks of light coming off of it. It was just there as a light up in the sky, very bright. (0:47:01)

And then while it was shining, that's when I got the message, you have information you need to share. It's time for you to share that information. That's our message to you. And then it blinked off. So it's a blink on blink off. Coincidentally, with the fact that MarkSim CE6 is based on the CE5 protocol, with addition of a radio where he sends messages out through his radio. (0:47:30)

Yeah, I was going to ask what exactly classifies it as a CE6 because CE5 is human initiated contact. So what's a... I would say CE6 is human initiated contact with the ancillary support of actually using a radio signal to transmit out. And then... Okay, I kind of like, I don't know, because I personally think it's about consciousness transmitting and all space and time is connected and your mind is able to. (0:48:06)

So I feel like he's trying to create something that might not really exist there, but it's still pretty much CE5 by the sounds of it. Yeah, he's done a lot of experiments with CE6. And if you want to guest for a future program, Mark Simms is a good person to get a hold of to explain that. He works with a gentleman named Jimmy Blanchett, who has a very interesting radio rig that actually transmits signals up to the moon and gets bounces back from the moon. (0:48:39)

So Mark Simms and Jimmy Blanchett will be better able to describe the CE6 protocol. It's based on CE5. And I do believe that meditation is part of it. So as far as, you know, kind of inviting the contact, the meditation part of that is definitely there. It's just that there's this electromagnetic sending a signal out. (0:49:05)

Yeah. Well, I'm always interested because I've seen exactly what you're describing in terms of glowing white orbs in the sky that get extremely bright, and then will, you know, kind of slowly close in. I've also seen ones that flash a few times as they traverse and all sorts of white orb related phenomenon was the first real experiences I had before these orange orbs turned up. (0:49:29)

And of course, you can probably dismiss maybe a couple of these things as satellites, but the frequency that I was seeing them in and the way in which they were displaying themselves, you know, at least as an amateur sky watcher for my whole life, looking up at the stars, it was like nothing I'd ever seen before. But the one thing that I've never had, and I don't, I, you know, I, I guess I feel a little bit left out. (0:49:49)

I don't really know why, but I've never had telepathic messages. I've never had, I've seen these things. They've, they've even floated down, especially in the, in the orange orb form, they floated down and hovered above the roof of my house. And I was staring at them with my eyes wide open, but I've never had any sort of communication or a message given. (0:50:10)

So I'm always very interested when people have actually had some, some sort of direct messaging and I'm not an experiencer through childhood. (0:50:16)

This is something that happened to me after I made a conscious decision a few years ago to start trying to do it and it started to work. So I've, I guess maybe I've just popped up on their radar, but you know, people that have had these experiences through childhood and then go on to have these messages, I find that really interesting. (0:50:37)

I mean, do you look, do you look back on this and do you ever think about why this is happening to you specifically? Why have you had all of these experiences? Because it's, I mean, there are a lot of people out there like myself included who have had experiences, but these are quite unique. It's the progression, the amount and also the messages being given. (0:51:00)

I mean, I don't want, I don't want to, you know, inflate your ego and say you're a starseed, light warrior that's hit it, but, but seriously. Yeah, I don't think of myself in those terms. No, but it's definitely amazing. So I'd love to, what do you think? I take it at face value. I do believe that everyone here is for a purpose. (0:51:24)

And it's just a matter of being awakened to that purpose in your life. And it may not be like telling everyone about your experiences with the phenomenon. It could be doing something completely different in your life to help humanity. And so everyone's here for a purpose. And, but it's awakening to that purpose. Yeah. Have you found what you're supposed to do? The reason why you're here? (0:51:49)

I believe the reason why I'm here is to share my experiences with others. So that others who've had this experience may be more frightened by it, or consider it strange and unusual to the point that they're not able to share with their family and friends. I'm, I'm a willing listener. I would be open to working with those people. I'm not a professional therapist. So I can't provide any kind of professional advice. (0:52:24)

But I'm just relating my own experience of the reason that you're having this is because maybe you're supposed to find your purpose in life. And then I refer them to resources I know about, like OPUS, OPUS, a group of therapists who work exclusively with experiencers. I provide them with my own resources of how I learned to meditate. (0:52:54)

There's a wonderful woman in Vicenza, Italy, who I met in Charlotte, North Carolina. She's an American expat. I have lived in Italy, has lived in Italy for over two decades. And she taught me how to meditate more effectively. And there's a YouTube channel she has where she offers her meditation modality. And I offer them, you know, here's the way that I meditate, and things like that. (0:53:19)

And I've worked privately with individuals since I've become more known, that people have reached me through direct messaging, by various means, and they relate their experiences. And it's an opportunity for me to provide them with resources they can go, because I can't explain why they're experiencing what they're experiencing, that's something they need to come to their own self-realization. But I can tell them how to get there, to that realization, based on the way it occurred for me. So I think that's my purpose. (0:53:53)

That's my work. And the fact that I'm talking about nuts and bolts UFOs, and ETs, to me, that's not as interesting as the actual message of why they're here, who they are. (0:54:04)

And to me, that's more interesting. Yeah, the messaging is more interesting than the vehicle of that message. Yeah, I agree. I absolutely agree with that. And you've, you know, you said, I remember you saying that you wanted to be in the intelligence community since quite a young age, but do you think any of this was maybe pushed by your experiences with the phenomenon? Do you think that played a role in where you went career-wise? That could be, I mean, I don't discount that at all. (0:54:40)

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Yeah. I'd be interested in hearing from other folks in the intelligence community who've had the experience, who had these experiences, whether they felt like they led to, or for some reason, their lives fell into place through some synchronicity, where they end up in this field. And just because you're in CIA, doesn't mean that you're like all interested in UFOs. But I've met a lot of enthusiasts within CIA. Is it quite common in the intelligence community for people to be experiences? I don't know if it's common, but when I make friends, and we have our confidence with each other, and we can share these private confidences, that they will relate to the fact that they are interested in this phenomenon. (0:55:28)

They're interested in UFOs. In fact, we find that we're, you know, like I talked to a person and we find out we're both fans of Coast to Coast AM. Yeah. For example, you listen to Coast to Coast, I do too. And so informally, we talk about this phenomenon publicly within CIA publicly, that is not out in the outside world. (0:55:54)

I was the administrator of a Lotus Notes database called the Users Group. And long before there was any social media, this was like social media within the CIA. And so there were various technical topics. And a lot of it was like computer enthusiasts, right, who are interested in building their own computers. And we will compare what frame rates we got with a certain game, based on whether we use this card or that graphics card. (0:56:27)

And, and what kind of motherboards we would like recommend to each other to try to get the maximum frame rates of a computer game. So it's sort of like that kind of a technical data. Yeah. But in there, since I was an administrator, I started talking about, and one of the, I guess you would call them channels today, but one of the channels, I talked about more esoteric topics. (0:56:48)

This is a lot more of a free for all. And I talked about Anunnaki, I talked about the Monuments of Mars, which was Richard Hoagland's book at the time. And I bring these subjects up about remote viewing and so forth. And that started a dialogue in that channel where people will come to me and say, Oh, yeah, I was part of that remote viewing program. (0:57:09)

I was, I worked, he wasn't a remote viewer, but yeah, I knew about the program because I was involved in the administration of that program or the analysis of the results of that program, whatever. Now get another, like another phone call about, yeah, you know, actually, when I was in the Navy, and during the Vietnam War, I was on this ship, I think it was a USS Chicago. And or, I forget the name of the ship, but it was one of the big, heavy cruisers, USS Boston, that was the name of the ship, USS Boston. And we actually fought off a UFO. And so yeah, someone said that to you. (0:57:52)

Yeah. Yeah. When I was a Navy, yeah, we were in the Gulf of Tonkin, and we fought off this UFO during this cruise. So really. And so... Did he go into any more detail about that? Like in terms of fought off, they fired at it, it fired back or? Yeah, it didn't fire. (0:58:12)

It didn't fire back. It just like, we chased it away. We saw it. It was not on radar because we could see it. You didn't need a radar to see it. And like, where did it come from? Now, in hindsight, I would have asked him, did it come out of the ocean? Did it go back in the ocean? You know, how did you guys like all of a sudden, this UFO, he definitely called it a flying saucer. (0:58:38)

It was a saucer shaped kind of craft. And the guns were fired. It was too close range for their missiles. But they were able to fire guns at it and try to chase it off. (0:58:44)

And so these are CIA officers who are relating this information to me. So I found that to be, okay, there's interest in this whole topic out there. And so that's when, you know, I got me a little gray alien doll, but it was actually green with the almond eyes. And I used to set it up on my computer. (0:59:15)

Everyone knew I was interested in UFOs. The Office of Security knew I was interested in UFOs. I went with a friend to these UFO conferences. Actually, I can say that in the first Stephen Bassett had these X conferences, the very first X conference in 2004 at a Hilton hotel in Gaithersburg, Maryland. I actually donated a thousand dollars out of my own pocket because I thought what he was doing, hosting these X conferences and starting this, what he called the XPAC, political activities committee related to UFOs. I thought that was an important initiative that I should support. (1:00:04)

And so I wrote a check and sent it to him for a thousand dollars. Oh, well that's... Stephen, if you're listening, that's where that came from. Yeah, he knows. I already contacted him to get his prior permission to mention his name in the context of the first X conference. And the fact of that, I donated a thousand dollars for it. (1:00:27)

And that was a very good conference. I love this old conferences because all the giants that are gone were there. Stanton, Freeman. Yes. And before that, used to attend the MUFON conferences at various locations in the US. And so who would appear would be like then John Mack was still alive. (1:00:50)

Hopkins was still alive. Dr. Roger Lear, who did a lot of implant work was still alive. I mean, these were like Jim Mars. These were the giants of the time, Stanton, Freeman. And I was so inspired by them. And I actually visualized this someday. I think I have a story to tell too. (1:01:09)

And someday there will be a way for me to tell my story in some fashion to the rest of the public. And I can see myself standing on that stage. I visualized it as a reality. I manifested it. Yeah. So I haven't stood on any stages, but... Well, you're certainly on a... On a virtual stage. Virtual stages. (1:01:31)

Yeah, absolutely. Plenty of virtual stages. So that's certainly coming to fruition for you. So kind of take a little bit of a segue here, but something I wanted to talk to you about. This is a guy that I don't really know a whole lot about, but he seems to be like the boogeyman of ufology. (1:01:50)

A few people in this research field think he's kind of pulling all the strings. And I'm just wondering if you can just talk a little bit about Ron Pandolfi. Oh, Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi. Yes. My friend met him in context that he used to come down to his branch. And Dr. Pandolfi had a friend named Al, A-L, Al, that they used to pal around together. (1:02:20)

It was a good friend of his. And my friend, who's well-versed in ufology, went up to him directly and asked him, hey, I heard you're like in charge of the weird desk or UFOs. And Ron Pandolfi, he just looked at my friend and promptly just blank stare and turned around and walked out. Didn't respond whatsoever. He just promptly walked out. (1:02:40)

And I was chiding my friend, you should have asked me to, if you saw Ron Pandolfi, you should have called me because I would like ask them more questions. Like, are you actually the aviary? Are you in the aviary? Are you the pelican in the aviary? Do you actually know Dr. Bruce McAbee and how do you know him? And is there really a weird desk? I would ask him more substantive questions actually, but he walked away. (1:03:11)

So I knew about Ron Pandolfi and he was a brilliant, he is a brilliant physicist. I mean, he is very bright. And when I met him personally, it was at a meeting. The meeting was in 2008 because I was in the Office of Director of National Intelligence, National Counter-Proliferation Center. So around 2008, I went to a meeting at a place called DIA, the same DIA you know, but it's DIA Clarendon. And Clarendon was a neighborhood in Arlington County. And in Clarendon, the DIA once had a building there that you can readily see on Google Maps or Google Earth. It had a pyramid-shaped top, a mid-sized building with a pyramid-shaped top. (1:03:57)

DIA was ensconced there. Some of its directorates were ensconced there. And we went there to talk about, well, let's say we're talking about technologies other than UFOs. It had nothing to do with UFOs whatsoever. But I can say this, that Ron was identified with something called Silent Sentry by Lockheed Martin. And Silent Sentry is not classified, it is unclassified, so I can talk about it. (1:04:36)

Silent Sentry was a technology to track vehicles in U.S. airspace that could not be tracked otherwise by radar for whatever reason, that they had some high counter-stealth capability and the radar would have difficulty tracking. His idea was that if you put enough electromagnetic energy out all over the United States, and then you start collecting and sampling that energy all over the United States, that you should be able to see some kind of interference wake occur electromagnetically with something that's traveling across the United States at a very fast rate. And so that's the context I knew him in. (1:05:17)

In this very small meeting, it must have been like maybe a dozen people at that point. And I never got a chance at that meeting to talk to him about the aviary and whether he was the pelican, not in that context. I didn't want to embarrass him because we were all together in this meeting. (1:05:35)

And so I couldn't get him alone to talk about it, but that was the context I knew him in. Silent Sentry is something you can look up. Wikipedia is your friend. So you can look up something called passive coherent location, and that's the technology basically that was discussed. And you can look up something else, smart dust. (1:06:08)

That's also unclassified now. Smart dust. Imagine being able to sprinkle something on something that you know the characteristics of, and then because you know the characteristics of what you're sprinkling on a object of interest, that being able to detect that object of interest in the presence of something you're shining on it, for example. Electromagnetically or electro-optically. And this thing, which can't be readily discerned by human eyes, but because you know the characteristics of and you then invoke a response from it, that then you can track items of interest. And those items might be illicit items of interest. (1:06:48)

Right, right. So if you wanted to kind of sprinkle a cartel's drug cache that was going across, you know, the ocean, you could use smart dust or something like that. Is that the kind of real world application or what exactly? You said it, Jay. I can't. Use your imagination. (1:07:06)

Use your imagination. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little sprinkle of smart dust and we've got our eyes all over you. Yeah, but smart dust is something that you can Google or Wikipedia. Okay, okay. So it's classified. You can read all about smart dust. That's interesting. And you can read about passive coherent location and you can find something about the silent century that Mark Pandolfi was interested in. (1:07:36)

So, okay, so he's certainly a very, very brilliant mind. It's interesting because there's just so much mystique around this guy. I mean, because I haven't done a lot of research, but so many people, when you mention Ron Pandolfi, it's a bit like mentioning, you know, you must not be named. (1:07:52)

Everyone kind of panics and says, oh no, you shouldn't talk about him on the record. Your video will get shut down. There's like this very strange mystique around Ron Pandolfi. So I don't actually know where all of that generated from. I don't know if you know the history of how he became such a... I don't know that because when I met him in person, he was a very personable person. (1:08:15)

I mean, he was like a nice guy. It's a guy that you can have a pint with at a pub. You know, I mean, he's a nice guy. Probably just been blown out of proportion. Yeah, I don't know where that came from. I don't know where that came from at all. And what's attributed to him as a position at CIA does not exist. (1:08:32)

Right. He was not the... At least not as far as you're aware. No, there's no such position as the deputy director for the division of science and technology. No such position. He was a senior scientist. I believe in the science and technology directorate. It was definitely that. He was never the deputy director of anything that I know of because he chose the technical career path. (1:09:00)

In CIA, at a certain point, you make a decision. Do you want to stay technical or you want to go managerial? And you can make that decision. I chose managerial. So I get away from the technical analysis, which means I had less fun with gadgets and more fun with Excel spreadsheets. Oh, yeah. (1:09:27)

Wow. So yeah, that's a lot of fun, right? So my guys had all the fun. And what I was doing is finding the money so they can have fun, writing the authorization so they can spend money to go to hotels and get airline flights and get meals when they go to these fun conferences. So what made you decide to go managerial instead of technical? (1:09:45)

I decided that it was a good point in my career to do so. I just wanted to do that as a broadening experience. And I'm glad I did because in the managerial side, you see more of how the sausage is made in the intelligence community, how budgets are created. And so I got in a position where I was creating the budget. (1:10:09)

They will come to me and say, what is your research plan for the next fiscal year? Right. The research plan is basically projects that you want to do. So I could drive the projects. Wow. I could put money into things that I thought we needed to get done in my field of technical electronic intelligence within the CIA context. (1:10:32)

So I was the driver of these programs. And then my responsibility was to get, drive them up to the point that it's a compelling case where you can get money from Congress to put into these programs. And so the money went to the CIA from CIA. Here I got these programs and said, okay. And so all my programs were budget line items in the budget. (1:10:53)

Right. That's within the CIA context. Later when I worked with the ODNI at that level, that's when I saw what that would look like throughout the intelligence community from a black budget perspective. So that was an eyeopening. I could not have seen that as a regular analyst, but in that managerial capacity that I was at in the National Counterproliferation Center, one of my responsibilities was collection strategists and requirements. (1:11:33)

What kind of collection do we need to address the counterproliferation, nuclear, biological, chemical equities? What do we need to fly to do that? What kind of sensors do we need? So that's when I was introduced to the black budget world and saw how that worked. When you were introduced into the black budget world, and this might be outside of the parameters of what you're allowed to talk about, but were you exposed to anything that you would consider to be highly disruptive technologies that haven't been released into the white world? (1:12:03)

Let's put it this way. When you get into that world, I was given a spreadsheet of all of these items. And the study of these capabilities was formalized into something I can say, because I put it in my resume for CIA to approve when I retired. It's called the intelligence collection architecture. The architecture that is all of the intelligence collection capabilities of the intelligence community. (1:12:38)

What they're designed to do and where and how much money is involved in doing it. But the information is very scant. And it's in language that doesn't say, oh, this is exotic technology we got from UFOs. I mean, it doesn't say that. It's in other language. So you look at it and you're not really sure. (1:13:00)

You just know that, oh, okay, this is kind of an interesting technology, but they call it this. But just from the title, you don't know what it is. It could be like, to make a point clearer, like what all SAP stands for and AATIP stands for. Nowhere in there, it says UAPs. Exactly. You know, nowhere in there. (1:13:21)

And so it was sort of like that type of language when they describe these programs. You don't get like high resonance gravitational generation method or advanced aerospace flight or something like that, you know? (1:13:32)

Right. You don't get any of that. But you do see the full breadth of the depth of everything we do and the breadth of everything we do. And I wanted to spell one thing. People think of rogue programs. There is no such thing as a rogue program. And here's why I say that, because there were some very classified things that I was not read into. (1:13:58)

So I could not know anything about some of these line items. I was on the entire collection architecture. I had no idea. But there was money attached to those. And that money came from Congress. The DOD and the CIA doesn't have printing... we don't have printing presses to print money to fund our programs. (1:14:23)

We go to Congress. And when we go to Congress, the people who give us money is the House Appropriations Committee. And within that committee, there's a special subcommittee called the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee. And they have insight into that black budget program. But do you not think maybe there could potentially be something off the books that's using, not necessarily the CIA, but just within the intelligence community, illicit channels like trafficking and drugs, arms? I mean, no offense, but the CIA has got a bit of history with that. (1:15:08)

Yeah. And somebody up above all of our pay grades knew about that and approved it. Wow. Yeah. What it takes to do that is called a presidential finding. A presidential finding gives authorization to the Central Intelligence Agency to conduct covert operations. That's not classified. That's just part of the process. You can look up a presidential finding, and you can also use the search term covert operations, covert actions, presidential finding, and you'll see the relationship between what a presidential finding is and how that can lead to a covert operation or covert action. (1:15:46)

So that finding is necessary. Who signs the presidential finding? The president. President. Yeah. Someone gives CIA authority. So there's nothing like a rogue program. Right. So what happens is... It's kind of like a loose thing though. It's like, it's not necessarily a rogue program, but from the eyes of a citizen, it's like, that's bloody illegal. Right. You don't, you don't see the inside of that. You don't see the inside of it. (1:16:08)

Yeah. But that authorization is written in law. Wow. It's part of the National Security Act of 1947 as amended by the people's representatives in Congress to allow CIA to do this. So I dismiss rogue operation. What happens is that when it goes bad, all of a sudden there's a flurry to give top cover to those above our pay grades. (1:16:40)

Oh, he wasn't briefed. He doesn't know, you know, stuff like that. Do you think there could be anything within the private sector, aerospace sector, that's kind of off the books maybe that we don't know about? If they're getting money from the US government, somebody in US government knows about it, whether it's an executive or legislative branch. If it's money, it's in a legislative branch. (1:17:00)

Of course. Yeah. And as far as the authority to do what they're doing comes from the executive branch, the Department of Defense, intelligence community, whoever said, you need to do this for us. And we're going to go and get money for you from Congress to fund this program. That's the way it happens. (1:17:27)

And it might be a really tight body of knowledge restricted to a very small amount of people. And it's so small that if you're not read into it, you would think it's above top secret, but it's top secret SCI in a very small compartment. Right. And just because you're in the intelligence community doesn't mean you know everything. (1:17:47)

Just because I was in CIA, I can't address a lot of the questions people pose to me because I simply do not know. And I give the example, as part of this intelligence community architecture, we went to a meeting and there were like hundreds of people there representing all of their equities throughout the military and the federal government, civilian government. (1:18:07)

And there was a Navy officer there. She was there and she raised her hand to ask about a certain program that was in the ICA list. And I knew it to be a Navy program. And she was a Navy officer and she wasn't a junior officer. She was like a captain and like an, I guess that's an 06. So it's not a junior officer. (1:18:29)

And this officer, she asked about this program, raised her hand and someone said, oh, that's a Navy program. (1:18:35)

And she had no idea it was there. And she was, her face turned red because she was a Navy officer sent to this and the other Navy officers knew about this program and she didn't because she wasn't read in. So that's what we're talking about. It's so narrow that very few people would be allowed to know what's in it. (1:19:04)

But having said that, I'm very, very happy that in the NDAA for fiscal year 22, there is language that states that the Department of Defense shall not withhold any information or refuse to answer any questions of any congressional committee on any special access program, anything like that. You will answer our questions. Do you think they'll play ball? Do you think they'll play ball? (1:19:37)

Else we will take away your money. So, well, yeah, I mean, money speaks, but do you think the DoD, I mean, surely there's probably people trying to find a very clever way around not revealing some of this, you know, especially. Right. It'll be interesting to see if they can do a song and dance around that. In Washington, money talks. Yeah, for sure. For sure. (1:20:00)

You take away somebody's money. And I mean, take it away. Just nothing to budget. I mean, just nothing. You can't pay your contractor anymore. So what's your optimistic projection for the next few years with this amendment and the NDAA and where it could go? What's the most optimistic outcome, in your opinion? Public hearings. Yeah. I want to see public hearings, especially after that first, whenever the first 180 day report is due, which is due 180 days after it becomes law. (1:20:38)

And so it's Friday. I don't know if President Biden signed it into law yet, but when he signs it into law, the NDAA, it becomes a public law. From that point forward, the clock ticks 180 days from that point. And 180 days after that, and 180 days after that, every 180 days, I believe the language states that there will be a report to Congress. At that point, the Congress should hold closed sessions to talk about things that are extremely classified, but also hold public sessions to inform the rest of what's going on. (1:21:17)

And you said, well, that can't happen. But every year, the Director of National Intelligence does an annual assessment of the previous year forecast, the future year. So that's in public session. And that report is released to the public. Of course, there are more details in closed session, but that report happens. And so you can read in between the lines. It's really fascinating to read. (1:21:44)

If you've been in the intelligence community, and you look at what Averill Hayes released as the annual intelligence assessment, you can read in between the lines, you kind of know where the IC is going. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's, I found that to be very interesting to read. And it's definitely the CIA, the focus is all on China now. (1:22:00)

They're dropping other areas to focus everything on China. Yeah, you know, actually, this is something I wanted to bring up, because I know you've gone over this. But for people that haven't heard it, I think it's actually really quite interesting and worth repeating about the relationship between the CIA and other members of the intel community in China. Because, you know, you spoke about this, and you spoke about how a young senator, you know, was a kind of a diplomatic aid in terms of US-China relations. (1:22:31)

Can you just talk a bit about this technological exchange situation that went on? And this is fascinating to me. To a certain point, I can. And that young senator back then in 1979 was Senator Joseph R. Biden, Democrat of Delaware. And he talked to Deng Xiaoping about how this relationship with China would be beneficial to both of us. And so Deng Xiaoping agreed. And then we were able to help build these facilities with the Chinese. Anything you do in China is going to be a joint venture. (1:23:11)

You don't come in there and do things on your own. You always involve the Chinese with the construction. And you also have a training component with that. Not only do they want to know, want to participate in the building of something, but they want to know how you built it. And so there's a training opportunity there. And the Chinese consider that very valuable. (1:23:34)

And so when these facilities were built, there was an opportunity then to have exchange of data. Because at that time, the Soviet Union, put it in context, the Soviet Union was in Afghanistan. And so the Soviet, the Cold War was very much getting warmer. And we wanted the Chinese to be aware of that. And we knew that there was a rift between Beijing and Moscow. And so we wanted them to be aware that, hey, not all of those Soviet missiles are pointed at the United States. Some of them are pointed at you. (1:24:11)

And here's where they are. And that got their attention. And so we were able to have this exchange of technical information between the two countries. It's one of the highlights of my career, I think, because it was a unique opportunity to work with them. Here's the country that was supposed to be our mortal enemy. (1:24:39)

We were their enemy, and they were our enemy, ostensibly, in the public eye. But again, that's what CIA does. Our job is to... we don't make foreign policy, but we do execute the strategic foreign policy of the United States through our relationships with countries with whom the State Department cannot have a relationship at that level. So that was an opportunity to then study Russian missiles because they were closer to the impact points across the border. (1:25:16)

I can say that much. It was definitely close to the border because when you collect signals, you got to be close. So it's not like from space. (1:25:22)

So we learned a lot about Soviet systems using that. And when the Soviet Union fell, and I want to think that what we did in China helped end the Cold War, because the information we received, not from space far away, but from the ground looking up, that data was crystal clear data. It wasn't fuzzy data. It was really good quality data. And we saw more of it continuously to the point that then when we analyzed that data and processed it, we could discern the capabilities of Soviet ballistic missiles. (1:26:09)

And we can also discern where they were weak in Soviet ballistic missiles, where their weaknesses were. So when we go and talk to them about treaties, about limiting strategic weapons like that, we can present them with what we know. And they were surprised how much we knew about their systems. And so they knew that the game was up, that they can't do a song and dance and lie about the capabilities of their systems. So no, no, we know you can do this, but guess what? You can't do that and we know it. (1:26:39)

And so that led to two countries, I believe, closer together in terms of like limiting strategic weapons of that nature. And so they were spending lots of money, lots of money, trying to build up their strategic forces and their ground forces, their air forces, their naval forces. They spent a lot of their gross domestic product doing that. (1:27:14)

And we literally ran them broke to the point that the entire system collapsed. And so that ended the Cold War. And so after the Cold War, they were extremely in a very vulnerable position because a lot of their deployed systems were in the republics outside Russia proper. And so those republics declared independence from Russia. And the funny story is that one of the radars I looked at was in Kazakhstan. It was called the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic back then, but it was Kazakhstan, an independent republic. (1:27:45)

And so this radar system was on their territory. And they asked the Russians to pay for the electricity to run this massive radar. And all the radars that were in Kazakhstan to look at the Russian missile tests. These are the same radars that we were collecting from China. And so the Russians balked and said, no, we're not going to pay you. (1:28:11)

You know what the Kazakhstan government did? Well, it pulled the plug on all the electricity. Those radars were offline. And the Russians paid up. Wow. Not even the government can skip out on their electricity bill. You can't skip out on an electricity bill. So that actually happened. There was a period of time when those radars were offline. (1:28:39)

Wow. Wow. Can you, this is again another interesting thing that was brought up in your talk with Unidentified Celebrity Review. This relationship between the CIA and Google. I wasn't familiar with some of the things that you were talking about with that. Right. And it's all discoverable. I mean, you can Google it. Learn how Google was how Google received the Earth Viewer program. (1:29:08)

It was through another company called, I think it was called Keyhole, but it was a CIA program called Earth Viewer. And we were able to transfer it to Google. But the relationship occurred much earlier than that, because there were graduate students who founded Google. And there was a funding through a National Science Foundation vehicle to have these graduate students do their work. (1:29:39)

And it was through a grant to Stanford University. Stanford University can then provide to these graduate students. And so there were a few that caught the National Science Foundation attention. And by extension, the intelligence community learned about one of the, I think his name was Sergey. I think it was Sergey. I think he was the one, that's his first name, one of the founders of Google. And so they cultivated a relationship with this company. (1:30:11)

Now there were still students at the point at that time, but later Google on September of, I think it was 1998. I'm thinking September 2nd, 1998. And I don't know if that's a correct date for the founding of Google. But at that time when Google was founded, before that occurred, I remember walking down to the lab. (1:30:32)

And at that time I was upstairs working for OSWR. I walked down to the lab before Google was founded, and I was shown this search engine. Before that, we used something called Alta Vista. Alta Vista was the search engine we used. I think it came from the Digital Equipment Corporation, Alta Vista. But then I saw Google. I said, that's a funny name. (1:30:56)

I said, yeah, we're testing out this search engine called Google. I said, oh, that's interesting. And I don't think Google was formed back then when I was shown this, or they were just formed. But CIA got the search engine testing it out. (1:31:06)

So there was some relationship between the Central Intelligence Agency and Google. And whether Google was aware of it or not, and they may deny it today that there was such a thing, but you can document the fact that there was a program at CIA called EarthViewer, which we used to look at NRO imagery. And then there was a company called Keyhole, I believe. (1:31:32)

And that company then was able to market EarthViewer to Google, and Google became Google Earth to the point that they need data, right? What's good of a way to look at data on the Earth if you don't have satellite data? And that was the point where some officers in the National Photographic Interpretation Center decided to leave NPIC and work with a fledgling company for commercial imagery. (1:32:14)

And along with that came a few NRO satellites that were older satellites. And so now you have this company that eventually became Digital Globe, now called Maxar. But when they were Digital Globe, here are these two satellites from NRO, NRO technology in them, with retirees of CIA NPIC working with them. And they're, you know, start shooting pictures and Google start buying pictures. (1:32:43)

So everything Google has to show you as Google Maps, Google Earth, they're not from Google, they actually buy the imagery, mostly from Maxar technologies, which has roots going back to the intelligence community again. But they are a legitimate company. They're not like a front company. Let me be clear. Yeah, it's just that it was a way that collaboratively disseminate some of that overhead imagery technology to a company. So just just kind of jumping into one of the more poignant talking points that you've, you know, gone over quite a few times hybridization and this idea of hybrids. (1:33:25)

If what we're seeing, because it definitely seems to be the case, if what we're seeing is a controlled dissemination of various kind of specific intelligence on the UFO issue from different areas of the of the government, and, you know, to some extent, this does appear to be a rollout of carefully selected information. If we're if we're kind of going checkpoint by checkpoint, how far down the road do you feel something like this is? In your in your opinion? Is this something that is on the cards to be addressed at a certain point in time? I would have to think so. (1:34:03)

But there's a lot of cards before those cards are played. Yeah. Because, I mean, there's still people who don't believe that the UFOs or UAPs are real. Yeah, we're way away from hybrids. That gimbals, the gimbal UAP is not real. That, you know, it's or it's US or foreign technology. They're not real in the sense that they're unidentified aerial phenomenon from somewhere else. (1:34:29)

And so we haven't even like convinced people of that. There's still debunkers and skeptics who don't believe they're real. And then recently, DNI Haynes said we're extraterrestrially as a to explain that they may come to us extraterrestrially. And so there's the E.T. word. And so a lot of people don't think E.T.s are real, that they're a figment of people's imaginations, that when we have these experiences with these beings, that it's coming from somewhere else, other than those beings actually being from somewhere else. (1:35:05)

Yeah, yeah, figment of your imagination, sleep paralysis. Yeah, it's been documented medically. It's not real. You know, you're imagining it, whatever the reason. (1:35:10)

But she said that word. And so it's a process. What I did was probably not expected by the government. Because my presentation, I believe, caught those folks who are working this issue, the folks you know, by name, caught them by surprise. That CIA would release, let me say what I said, even speculatively say what I said. (1:35:45)

But I explained to them, when they asked, I here's the venue, because I'm talking to people who are still cleared, who are working this issue in some quasi-official fashion, that I actually named the names of the officers that were there, the sponsoring officer, the briefing officer, who are very senior, and the two officers that I knew that were there, who one of them invited me and the other one I recognize is a very senior officer, and described that there were like academics there, that there were .edu addresses in that signup sheet, with a smattering of .ucia.gov addresses. (1:36:27)

UCIA.gov is our domain name for unclassified internet, has nothing to do with our internal data, our internal network is separated, physically separated from the outside network. So that's a whole different addressing system, but within the CIA, we do have access to the public internet, and that's through UCIA.gov, those addresses. So they understood, like, okay, there it is, you know, that slide, which was like the second slide I showed when we were together before Jay, the CIA disclaimer, you know, saying that there's nothing here that's unclassified, we're not going to endorse what you say, we can't say it's true, we can't say it's false, but there's nothing unclassified about what you're saying. (1:37:17)

And the fact that I brought up that slide, it surprised them. And these people that are surprised, people that I'm sure most of us are aware of, have they strengthened your belief in this hybridization idea at all? Not in direct words. Not directly, but I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting. Come on, give us... throw out a little bit, you know, and so you heard Lou say something about 70,000 years ago, there might have been an invention in our DNA, or words to that effect. (1:37:52)

You know, little things like that, that come out. So I'm hoping that, you know, there's a long process before we get from the DNI saying extraterrestrially, to the fact that, okay, we're all hybrids. I mean, there's a lot. Yeah, I mean, well, we've only we've only just really got past, not completely, but at least to some degree, we've got past the Russian-Chinese drone hypothesis for these things. (1:38:20)

You know, you're not seeing that spoken about as much in the news, but we're, we're a far cry. I mean, it's the same for me with this whole conversation of how consciousness interpenetrates this UFO issue. And there seems to be a symbiosis between consciousness and quantum mechanics that's represented by this by this issue. And, you know, I look at the projection of when that's going to be discussed in a mainstream format, and it doesn't exactly fill me with hope. (1:38:45)

It makes me think we've got quite a while slugging away at this. Yeah, before we before we're opening that. I mean, I, that's what that's why I feel like I might be putting more faith in the grassroots kind of scientific community that's going to grow out of this just from a general general interest of what's been addressed by the US government so far. (1:39:03)

I mean, you've got the Galileo project, and there's plenty of other private groups that are looking into this. And I think that's going to increase over time. So you know, I probably placed more faith in grassroots development from the kind of the academic and the scientific community with this and, and I hope that through that we can open up some of the more abstract sides of this that maybe the government's not going to want to disclose their own intelligence sharing on. (1:39:32)

But I would encourage your audience to believe that the higher consciousness consciousness aspects of the phenomenon is not ignored. (1:39:37)

Yeah, absolutely. And you get a little inkling of that through the skinwalkers at the Pentagon that was released. And you get an inkling that they're looking at the high strangeness aspect of the phenomenon that may have to do with some kind of consciousness link. I'm at loss to explain the hitchhiker effect. I don't know what would cause that. Yeah. That to me is eerie. (1:40:08)

I mean, I for one do not want to go anywhere near Skinwalker. I mean, no, I don't want to tempt it. Don't follow me home. I would tell it to stay away from me. But that apparently that has occurred. And why did that occur? I'm sure that's at some level is being studied. The Skinwalker effect of those who went there to visit there with their instruments. (1:40:31)

Yeah, that place is just mysterious in of itself. I mean, it's just it's not just UFOs. It's like a whole vortex of phenomena. I mean, it's it's just strange. I don't I don't know how to even begin to understand what could be going on there. Yeah. So. Is there anything else that you want to kind of go over before we before we look at wrapping this up, John? I feel like we've not really. Right. I would say there'll be some. (1:41:05)

When I get my medical records back. Yeah, that'll be an opportunity to dive into those records. I'm not squeamish about sharing medical records. As most people are. I want to be very open about my medical records, whatever they state. And so I want to show people what CIA found about that period of time. So, I mean, I would be happy to talk about my medical records in detail when they're released to me. (1:41:39)

I'm not going to post them, of course. So please don't ask me to post my medical records. Yeah, obviously. No one's going to you know, no one's asking to post yours. Don't ask me to post mine, please. Yeah. But I'll be happy to talk about that. And so. I wish someone would look like look into the Intelligence Authorization Act for FY 22 and do a comparison between the language of the that act versus the NDAA, which has passed. (1:42:15)

Right. I do not believe the IAA has gone through a passage yet. I believe it's pending still. So and what I'm doing now is I just want to let everyone know that the NDAA has an expiration date where the this particular office will close shop. So it's not going to be forever and ever. (1:42:44)

It says not later than October 31st, 2022. So the first report is due not later than October 31st, 2022. That gives it the within the 180 days of enacting the report. So something has to be due before October 31st of next year and annually thereafter until October 31st, 2026. That's it. (1:43:10)

So you got from 2022 to 2026. At that point, if we want to include this back into a future NDAA or some other future legislation, it's going to have to happen sometime in fiscal year 2026. Right. Otherwise they can just get rid of it. (1:43:24)

Yeah. So there is an expiration date. Okay. I did not read the expiration date in the IAA, which seems more open-ended. I didn't say after a certain date, this expires. I don't know if that language is actually there in the original Gillibrand amendment. A lot of the Gillibrand amendment went away, which really upset me. Yeah. Because Congress cannot legislate a sole source contract. (1:43:56)

So when they called out SCU, which is not a government entity, when they called out the Galileo project, which is not a government entity and said, you will have participation from these two groups, they're not federal offices. And so Congress cannot legislate that you will have a contract with these entities. Now the Department of Defense is free to let out a contract going through the federal acquisition regulation process to have a contract with them, much like how they started the contract with Bigelow. There is a process. (1:44:33)

And for that process, it was open for 24 hours. We have a request for proposal RFP, 24 hours, and it closes. So Bigelow already had his language already set up and he shot it through and said, okay, we got it. And so it's a fair competition. We let it out for 24 hours. Guess what? CIA doesn't have to do that. (1:44:56)

CIA is exempt by law from publishing the fact that there is a CIA contract. They don't have to reveal that whatsoever. It is not legally bound to reveal that. And it doesn't show up in the federal register as a contract that's appending. So the IAEA seems to have a lot more flexibility in terms of studying this issue long term. So I have high hopes for the IAEA. And I would say this, I've been out of the CIA for since 2009. And it's my 12th year out thereabouts. (1:45:32)

If the IAEA starts and if they want me back in some capacity to help them out in whatever capacity, I would be happy to go back into CIA as a consultant, not as an employee. And if I can do it at some level that doesn't require me to take another darn polygraph. (1:45:54)

So CIA, if you want me back, no polys, please. I'm not going to sit down for another polygraph. But they can clear you for secret provisionally. They can give you a kind of secret that's just waving a magic wand. And you can get a secret as long as I haven't been in jail and not a felon. (1:46:12)

And I haven't been in any of those categories. So they might be able to bring me back, but I'll be happy to work with anybody in government as long as I don't need a clearance. As a consultant on this issue? Yeah. In terms of the IAEA, which seems to be more centric to CIA, being a Title 50 type of legislation. (1:46:33)

I'd be happy to work back with them. Of course, when that happens, no more Zoom meetings with you. And I know I was about to say, well, don't don't do that, because then we won't be on Twitter account be shut down. Well, Lou has this up and running, but my my public presence will be much more curtailed. Yeah. But it helps in any way to have have more information released to everyone else. (1:46:58)

And if it it's like I don't do this for money or anything. No, gracious. I don't want all this exposure, but I'd be happy to shut everything down if I can help them to help you understand what's going on. (1:47:10)

Well, if you do have to slink back into the shadows for our benefit, then, you know, it was great speaking with you while it lasted, John. But no, this has been a great conversation. Like I said, I wanted to get into some of your more personal experiences and just have a bit more of a chit chat than last time, because I'm still just impressed by just how well you went through that extremely extensive presentation. (1:47:37)

I mean, it's I mean, the proof the proof is in the pudding, as we say, because it's one of the highest viewed videos on my channel. It's being talked about all over the place. You did a great job with it. I'm very excited for your second presentation. Is this something that you're still looking to do this second presentation and get those slides released? I want to do that presentation when I get my medical records back. (1:47:59)

Yes, I want the medical records to be part of that presentation in the context of alien DNA, depending on what they find. It might be nothing in there. I don't know. I need to see that. Yeah. And then then I can then go to CIA and then name names and say, can I name names of who was there? If not, can I name their positions and let people find them for themselves? I'm sure they do not relish the entire UFO community out there knocking on their doors. (1:48:32)

I will offer this to a journalist like Leslie Cain, Ralph, maybe Ross. If they contact me and they want to know who was there, I'd be happy to release that because I trust them. Well, there we go. We'll have to put some feelers out. Send Leslie or Ralph or Ross an email because, you know, they're people that would get to the bottom of it. (1:48:54)

If there's something to get to the bottom of, at least I put a lot of respect on those journalists. And maybe not Ross if he's an Australian citizen. Okay. Yeah. Well, that might. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll stick to stick to. Apologies to Ross. Sorry, Ross. Ross wants to talk about Pine Gap. I'd be happy to talk about Pine Gap. There's a little bit I can talk about. (1:49:19)

But other than that, no. Yeah. I want to either be Ralph or Leslie. Well, best of luck with that, honestly. And let me let me know when you've got these medical records and we can we can definitely look at talking about that because I think people will be very interested if you if you manage to get back some data on that. (1:49:35)

But in the meantime, as always, absolute pleasure to speak with you, John. And thank you for sitting down for so much time to go over all of this again. Yes. And for everyone in your audience, Happy Christmas. And so Happy New Year as well. And I hope 2022 will be give us a little bit of edge toward more about the truth of what's going on. (1:49:58)

That's my that's my wish for 2022. (1:49:58)

(2025-07-11)

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自身の生涯にわたる abduction 体験​

CIA が Google を育成した​

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