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Joseph Burkes : "Mission Rahma" の UFO/ET 召喚の歴史

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前置き​

"Mission Rahma" はペルーで「UFO/ET 召喚活動」を実施していた民間組織（既に分裂、解散）。この組織に詳しい Joseph Burkes がその歴史を語っている。

情報源としたインタビュー動画は過去記事でも取り上げたが、今回は AI で整理した。末尾で私の判断を述べる。

概要​

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ラマ・ミッションの起源と進化

このソースは、「エンゲージング・ザ・フェノメノン」というインタビューからの抜粋であり、ホストのJames Iandoliが、ゲストのJoseph Burkes博士と共に、‌‌ミッション・ラマ‌‌というペルーのコンタクトグループの起源と活動について概説しています。

このグループは1974年に設立され、自動書記やテレパシーを通じて地球外生命体と接触したとされています。初期の成功と地球外生命体との遭遇のプロトコル、そしてこれらの活動が後の‌‌CE-5イニシアチブ‌‌にどのように影響を与えたかが議論されています。さらに、ミッション・ラマの活動における精神性、ベジタリアン主義、そして‌‌ガニメデ‌‌の‌‌モレラン‌‌基地とされる場所への瞬間移動体験についても詳しく説明されています。

目次​

  1. 音声対話
  2. 詳細
  3. 時系列
  4. 主要関係者
  5. Zendra（異次元空間ゲート）体験
  6. 地球は銀河系で最も偉大な催し物で、地球が他の文明進化を促進
  7. 銀河連邦
  8. 組織の内部対立そして分裂
  9. 1974年の集団での Zendra 体験
  10. 情報源
  11. 文字起こし
  12. 私の判断："Mission Rahma"は影響力の高い個人が作り上げた宗教

音声対話​

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https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/b1c0652b-50f0-4f1c-941d-d3ac624260d9/audio

詳細​

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詳細ブリーフィング資料：ラマ・ミッションの起源と進化、地球外生命体とのコンタクト

このブリーフィング資料は、ジェームズ・イアンドーリとジョセフ・バークス医学博士のインタビュー「「ラマ・ミッション」の起源と進化」および「地球外生命体とのコンタクト：ラマ・ミッションの旅」の転写に基づいています。

  1. ラマ・ミッションの概要

ラマ・ミッションは、1974年にペルーのリマで始まったコンタクト活動を行うグループです。米国におけるCE5（Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind）活動に類似していますが、その20年前に開始されました。「近代コンタクト活動の歴史」における重要な存在であり、現在では世界中に数万人の活動家を擁する世界的ネットワークに発展しています。

  1. ラマ・ミッションの起源と初期の経験

‌‌創設者シクスト・パス・ウェルズ‌‌:

  • 彼の父はUFO研究家で、会議を組織したり講演したりしていました。
  • シクストは、32階級のフリーメイソンによるテレパシーによる非人間型知性体とのコミュニケーションに関する講演に参加し、その技術を学びました。
  • 彼はハタヨガの実践者であり、瞑想と集中に慣れていました。
  • 学んだ技術を実践した結果、自動書記を開始し、非人間型知性体からのメッセージを受け取りました。

‌‌最初のコンタクトと物理的遭遇‌‌:

  • 自動書記を通じて、知性体は特定の日にち、場所、時間での遭遇を指示しました。
  • 1974年2月7日、シクストとその家族、友人がチリカの砂漠の指定された場所へ行くと、円盤状のUFOが出現し、光を放ちました。参加者は驚き、逃げ出しましたが、これは彼らの初期のコンタクト体験の始まりでした。
  • この遭遇後、テレパシーによる指示で、参加者たちは精神的な準備、瞑想の強化、ベジタリアン食の実践を求められました。「彼らは霊的に自らを築き、さらに瞑想し、次の遭遇のために適切に準備する必要がある、とテレパシーで指示された。」

‌‌「プログラミングされた遭遇（Programmed Encounters）」‌‌:

  • ラマ・ミッションは「プログラミングされた遭遇」という言葉を用いており、これは「人間が非人間型知性体からメッセージを受け取る、手はずの交流」と定義されています。
  • 初期には主に自動書記を通じて行われ、特にサイ能力の高い活動家は「アンテナ」と呼ばれました。
  • 複数の「アンテナ」が独立して同じメッセージ（遭遇の時間と場所）を受け取った場合、その情報は信頼できると判断されました。これは米国のリモートビューイング・プログラムにおける情報検証手法と類似しています。
  1. 初期の問題と教訓

‌‌プロトコル違反‌‌:

  • シクストの父が、許可なく友人を大勢連れてきてパーティーのような雰囲気を作り出し、UFOが接近した際にパニックを引き起こしました。
  • 「彼らはテントを張り、キャンプをし、ビールを持ち込み、合意に違反してパーティーのような雰囲気を作り出した。…UFOがついに上空を飛行したとき、人々は全く準備ができておらず、パニックに陥り、テントに飛び込んだ。」
  • この出来事から、コンタクト活動は「プロトコルに従って、規律と高い意図、非常に高い理想を持って行われる必要がある」という教訓が得られました。
  1. 精神的発展と「ゼンドラ（Zendra）」体験

‌‌修行の強化‌‌:

  • 最初の失敗の後、ラマ・チームは絶食や厳格なベジタリアン食など、精神的な修行を強化しました。「彼らは何日も前から断食するように指示され、非常に厳格なベジタリアン食に切り替えた。」
  • これによりチャクラが開き、精神的な発展が促進されました。バークス博士は、ラマの人々と会った時、「まるで僧侶のようだった」と述べています。

‌‌シクストのゼンドラ体験とガニメデへのテレポート‌‌:

  • 1974年7月、シクストはチリカの砂漠で仲間と離れ離れになった際、光の中から現れた「アクスルト」と名乗る存在と遭遇しました。
  • アクスルトは彼を「次元のポータル（ゼンドラ）」に通すと説明し、シクストは体が溶けるような感覚の後、木星の衛星ガニメデにあるとされるET基地「モアランド（Moreland）」にテレポートされました。
  • モアランドは数千年前に採掘のために設立された基地で、「推定で100万人の地球外生命体、人間型もそうでないものも、協力して宇宙全体でコンタクトを推進していた」とされています。
  • モアランドの社会はユートピア的で、人々は厳格なベジタリアンで、1日4時間しか働かず、貨幣制度はなく、多くの時間を精神的な追求と瞑想に費やしました。
  • シクストはモアランドで数時間過ごしたと感じましたが、チリカに戻ると仲間たちは彼が15～20分しか離れていなかったと語りました。これは「時空の歪み」の要素を示しています。

‌‌集団ゼンドラ体験‌‌:

  • その1週間後、ラマ活動家のグループ全体がガニメデにテレポートされ、24人の長老からなる評議会と面会したと報じられています。この評議会の象徴（ダビデの星と三叉槍）は後にラマ・ネットワークのロゴとなりました。
  1. 「バーチャル体験モデル」の提案

バークス博士は、ラマの人々が経験したテレポートが、必ずしも物理的な移動であったとは限らないという「バーチャル体験モデル」を提唱しています。

‌‌第1種バーチャル体験（VE1）‌‌:

  • 「空中に映し出されるホログラフィックな投影で、物体のように見えるが固体の構造を持たない。」
  • または、「目撃者の後頭葉に投影される画像で、ある人はUFOを見るが、他の人は見ない。」 ‌‌第2種バーチャル体験（VE2）‌‌:
  • 「個人の意識が知性体によって捕らえられ、まるで映画『マトリックス』のように、現実よりも現実的に感じられる一種のバーチャルリアリティ。」
  • この遭遇は物理的な現実ではなく、「意識のレベルで相互作用がある一種のマトリックスのような現実」で起こります。体験者は宇宙船に乗ったと信じるが、実際にはどこにも行っていないと説明されます。

‌‌第3種バーチャル体験（VE3）‌‌:

  • 「カップルが夜に車で家に帰り、ベッドに入り、朝目覚めて『なんてことだ、あの遭遇はすごかったね、UFOが上空を飛び、時間が失われたんだ』と言うようなバーチャルな記憶。」
  • この知性体は「人工的な記憶、あるいは植え付けられた記憶を作り出す能力を持っている」とされます。

バークス博士は、ラマの「ゼンドラ」体験がこの「バーチャル体験」の一部である可能性を示唆しています。しかし、ラマの人々がその経験を真実として受け止めたことに疑いはありません。「ラマのこれまでの実績を考えると、グループでの遭遇の物語を持って帰ってきた人々は、それが彼らが知っている真実だった可能性が高いと私は考えている。それは作り話ではなかった。」

  1. ラマ・ミッションの拡大と直面した課題

‌‌世界的ネットワークへの成長‌‌:

  • ラマはペルーの国内で大きな成功を収め、その活動は国内外のメディアで報じられました。
  • 「南米やスペインのテレビ局がこれらの遭遇の一部を撮影した。」
  • スペイン語で多くの本が出版され、ラマは世界的ネットワークへと成長しました。一時は旧ソ連、エジプト、ヨーロッパ、南北アメリカなど、世界中で活動チームがあったとされています。
  • 1993年には、ラマ・ネットワーク全体で「地球外知性体との25,000回以上の個別の遭遇があった」と主張されました。現在では「おそらく数十万件の個別のコンタクト体験が発生している」と推定されています。

‌‌内部の対立と資金問題‌‌:

  • 活動が拡大するにつれて、必然的に「確執が生じ、問題が起こり始めた」とされています。
  • 資金集めに関連する対立や、シクスト・パス・ウェルズが話を誇張しているという告発などがありました。これはCE5ネットワークの指導者であるスティーブン・グリア博士にも同様の問題が見られたとバークス博士は指摘しています。
  • 「大量のお金があるところには、お金を巡る争いや、広報や注目を巡る争いが起こる。」
  1. 他のコンタクトグループとの関係（CSETI/CE5との比較）

‌‌CE5活動との類似性‌‌:

  • ラマ・ミッションは、1990年代にスティーブン・グリア博士が設立したCE5イニシアティブと「本質的に同じこと」をしており、しかも「グリア博士がCE5イニシアティブを公に開始する20年前に始まっている」点が強調されています。

‌‌グリア博士のラマ・ミッションへの無言‌‌:

  • バークス博士は、CE5ネットワークの活動家として、ラマ・ミッションの存在と活動をグリア博士に伝えたにもかかわらず、グリア博士が公にラマの活動に言及しなかったことに不満を表明しています。
  • 「私は彼が一度もラマ・ミッションに言及するのを聞いたことがなかった。」
  • バークス博士は、その理由をグリア博士の「自らの努力への過度な集中」と「過剰なプライド」にあると推測しています。「彼は、彼自身のニーズに単一的に焦点を当てていた。私は彼が当時も今も過度なプライドに苦しんでいると信じている。」

‌‌ラマと北米のコンタクトネットワークの連携‌‌:

  • バークス博士自身は、CE5の「指導部とは別に」、ラマと北米のコンタクトネットワークとの間の連携を築く上で小さな役割を果たしたことを喜んでいます。
  1. フェルナンド・リマコとの出会いとパイティティ（Paititi）の遭遇

‌‌フェルナンド・リマコの背景‌‌:

  • ラマの重要な活動家の一人で、元歯科外科医。
  • ペルーのテロ組織「センデロ・ルミノソ」による娘の誘拐未遂事件をきっかけに米国に移住しました。
  • 米国でもラマの活動を続け、特に文書化されていない労働者（undocumented workers）であるコンタクト活動家を支援していました。

‌‌パイティティへの旅‌‌:

  • 1990年、フェルナンドはカリフォルニア州で、空飛ぶ円盤と「パイティティ」という言葉の繰り返しのテレパシーメッセージを体験しました。
  • その後、世界中のラマ活動家が同じ「パイティティ」に関するメッセージを受け取り、ペルーでの大規模な国際会議で、未開のジャングルにあるとされる「パイティティ」での遭遇が計画されました。
  • フェルナンドを含む6人の活動家が選ばれ、道のないジャングルをガイドと共に、また直感を頼りに数日間かけて旅しました。
  • この旅では、ビデオカメラのバッテリーがすべて消耗したり、ガイドが先住民族を恐れて途中で引き返したり、猛毒のヘビに囲まれて眠ったりするなど、多くの困難に直面しました。

‌‌先住民族との出会い‌‌:

  • 彼らは武装した先住民族の猟師たちと出会いましたが、敵対的ではなく、友好的でした。
  • 「ETたちは、テレパシーでこれらの猟師たちの夢の中に、都市の人々が来るので助けてあげるべきだと伝えていた。」
  • 猟師の一人は平和の証として、自分の弓と矢をフェルナンドに贈りました。

‌‌パイティティでの遭遇‌‌:

  • パイティティに到着する前日、一行は全員が体外離脱体験をし、意識レベルで宇宙船に乗り込みました。
  • パイティティに到着した翌日、フェルナンドを含む全員が「青い光線」によって宇宙船の内部に引き上げられました。
  • 彼らは「偉大な白き同胞団（Great White Brotherhood）」の代表者たちと友好的な交流をしました。この名称は、彼らが白いローブを着用し、体が光に包まれていたためです。
  • この体験の身体的な要素を示す逸話として、参加者の一人が恐怖のあまり失禁したという話が挙げられています。「もしこの出来事が記述どおりに起こったのであれば、そこには明確な身体的要素があった可能性が高い。」
  1. ラマの宇宙論（Cosmology）

ラマ・ミッションの活動家がETから受け取ったとされる宇宙論は、以下のような中心的なテーマを持っています。

‌‌地球の進化‌‌:

  • 地球は「急速な変化の時期」にあり、「技術的野蛮主義のレベルから、物質的発展だけでなく精神的発展のより高い段階へと移行している」とされます。
  • ETは、地球が重要な進化の時期にあると認識しており、この進化を支援することを「彼らの神聖な義務」と考えています。

‌‌振動（Vibration）と精神的発展‌‌:

  • 高度な技術と精神性を持つETは、より高い「振動レベル」が必要な領域に生息しています。
  • 地球の振動レベルに降りてくることは、個々のETの寿命を縮めます。「我々の振動レベルまで降りてくることは、個々のETの寿命を縮める。」
  • ラマの人々が精神的発展を重視し、ベジタリアン食や瞑想を実践するのは、地球の「振動」を高めるためです。

‌‌銀河連邦と多様なET種‌‌:

  • ETは地球の「振動を高め、意識を拡大させる」ためにここにいるとされます。
  • 「銀河連邦」の存在が示唆され、宇宙全体の文明が「文明の進化」という「梯子の段」を登るにつれて、他の文化を支援する道徳的責任を負うとされます。
  • 地球は「銀河で最大のショー」であり、「地球は実は精神的なダイナモである」とされています。地球が次の進化の段階に進むことで、地球を支援する他の文明も進化の梯子を上がることができると考えられています。

‌‌ETからのメッセージ‌‌:

  • ETからのメッセージは「協力と連帯、兄弟愛と姉妹愛」を強調しています。「一つの惑星、一つの人々」という視点。
  • 彼らは宣伝を求めず、むしろ「惑星の諜報機関がコンタクトネットワークを数十年間監視している」ため、目立たないように指示されています。
  • バークス博士は、ETが軍事組織や多国籍企業、宗教狂信者といった「地上のエリート」とではなく、「平和を愛する人々」とコンタクトを取ろうとしていると示唆しています。
  • 真のコンタクトのためには「ある程度の精神的変容」が必要であり、「エゴの悪影響を克服する」こと、「私たち自身の運命だけでなく、私たちの惑星の運命、そして宇宙全体の知的生命体の運命と一体化する」ことが求められています。
  1. まとめと重要性

ラマ・ミッションは、現代のUFO現象とコンタクト活動の歴史において、CE5イニシアティブに先行し、独自の深い精神的・哲学的基盤を持つ、非常に重要かつ広範なネットワークです。その活動は、単なるUFOの目撃に留まらず、非人間型知性体とのテレパシーによるコミュニケーション、精神修養、そして人類の集合的な意識と進化に関する壮大な宇宙論を包括しています。その成功と課題は、コンタクト活動の複雑さと、それに伴う倫理的・精神的な要求を示しています。

時系列​

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1968年​

  • 1968年メキシコシティオリンピックとデモの鎮圧: ジョセフ・バークス医師がメキシコ滞在中、政府に対する大規模デモが発生し、トラテロルコ広場で軍が非武装の群衆に機関銃を向け、約400人の学生や労働者が殺害されるという悲劇的な事件が発生。バークスはラテンアメリカの社会変革運動に深く関与するきっかけとなる。

1969年​

  • グアテマラへの渡航: ジョセフ・バークス医師が反ベトナム戦争、公民権、労働運動の活動家としてグアテマラを訪れ、ラテンアメリカの若者の社会正義を求める闘いに共感する。

1974年​

  • 1月22日 - ラマ・ミッションの始まり（テレパシーコンタクト）: シクスト・パス・ウェルズ（当時10代後半から20代前半の大学生）が、父親が主催するUFO会議で32階級のフリーメイソンによるテレパシー通信の講義に感銘を受ける。自宅でハタヨガで培った瞑想と集中力を生かし、自動書記を開始。最初のセッションで「オキサルト」と名乗る非人間的知性とのコンタクトを確立。オキサルトは自身をガニメデ（木星の衛星）からの地球外生命体と主張。
  • 2月初旬 - 家族・友人とのセッション: シクストが自宅で家族や友人と再び自動書記を行い、オキサルトとのテレパシー通信を実演。参加者はオキサルトに質問し、シクストを通じて回答を得る。ある懐疑的な女性の読んでいる本の名前とページ数、そしてそれに対する感情を正確に言い当て、非人間的知性との真のテレパシー通信であることを確信させる。
  • 2月7日 - 最初の「プログラムされた遭遇」: オキサルトとの通信を通じて、リマから南へ約60km離れた砂漠地帯のチルカで物理的な遭遇が設定される。シクストを含む7人の若者（ヨガ実践者でベジタリアン食を摂る）が指定された場所に向かう。午後9時頃、ハンバーガー型または円盤型のUFOが現れ、約15分間ホバリングし、光線を照射する。しかし、彼らは動揺し、UFOは精神的な準備不足を指摘し、今後の遭遇のためにより深い瞑想と精神的成長を促す。
  • 2月14日 - 失敗した「プログラムされた遭遇」: 前回の遭遇で指示された精神的準備とネットワークの拡大を控えるというガイドラインに反し、シクストの父ガルシア・ウェルズが友人たちを連れて現場に現れる。彼らはテントを張り、ビールを持ち込み、パーティーのような雰囲気を作り出す。UFOは飛来するが、参加者はパニックに陥り、遭遇は失敗に終わる。この経験は、コンタクトワークにおける規律と高い意図の重要性を強調する。
  • 数ヶ月後（7月頃） - シクストの単独転送遭遇: ラマチームは以前の失敗から学び、断食や厳格なベジタリアン食、瞑想を強化して精神的な発達を促進する。数ヶ月後、チルカの「ラ・ミナ（鉱山）」で新たな遭遇が設定される。シクスト・パス・ウェルズは仲間と離れ、光の中から現れた「オキサルト」と再会する。オキサルトによって「ゼンドラ（次元のポータル）」を通じて、木星の衛星ガニメデにあるとされる地球外生命体の基地「モアラン」に転送される。モアランは採掘のために数千年前に設立されたとされるユートピア的な社会で、何百万もの地球外生命体が居住し、1日4時間の労働、金銭の不在、精神的追求に重点を置いた生活が特徴。シクストはそこで数時間過ごしたと感じるが、地球ではわずか15～20分しか経過していなかった。
  • シクストの転送遭遇の1週間後 - グループでの転送遭遇: シクストの単独遭遇から1週間後、ラマの活動家グループ全体が再びチルカのラ・ミナからガニメデのモアラン基地に転送されたと報じられる。彼らはそこで24人の長老からなる評議会に面会し、その会議室の壁には中国語の表意文字のようなシンボルが描かれていたとされる。メインステージの上にはダビデの星と三又のシンボルがあり、これが後にラマ・ネットワークのロゴとなる。

1970年代から1980年代​

  • ラマ・ミッションの拡大と成功: ラマ・ミッションはペルー全土、そして世界中に拡大。ラテンアメリカやスペインのテレビクルーが遭遇を撮影し、多くの書籍が出版される。最盛期には旧ソ連、エジプト、ヨーロッパ、南北アメリカなど世界中で活動家チームが活動していたとされる。

1990年頃​

  • フェルナンド・リマコの米国移住: ペルーでのセンデロ・ルミノソによる娘の誘拐未遂事件を受け、フェルナンド・リマコは米国に移住。言語の問題から歯科医としての再認定は難しいが、技工士として生計を立てる。

  • 1990年代初頭

  • 北米コンタクトネットワークの形成: CE-5イニシアチブが発足し、北米でコンタクトワークのネットワークが形成される。

1992年 - ジョセフ・バークス、CSETIブースを設置:​

  • ワシントンD.C.で開催された米国公衆衛生協会会議でCSETIのブースを設置し、医療従事者をネットワークに勧誘。

1993年 - ラマと北米ネットワークの連携:​

  • ジョルジオ・ピアンチェンツァの役割: ペルーのリマとマイアミ間で貿易事業を営むビジネスマンであり、ラマの友人であるジョルジオ・ピアンチェンツァが、ラマと北米コンタクトネットワーク（CE-5）の間の重要な連絡役となる。彼は1974年にラマ設立後すぐに遭遇を経験している。
  • ジョー・バジェーホの役割: 元ユナイテッド航空の747パイロットで、ジョセフ・バークスのCE-5チームの一員であったジョー・バジェーホも、ラマとCE-5の間の連絡役として重要な役割を果たす。彼はマイアミに家族がおり、ペルーでラマとフィールドワークを行う。
  • サンフランシスコでの出会い: サンフランシスコで開催された米国公衆衛生協会会議で、ジョセフ・バークスは引退した歯科外科医でラマの第2世代の活動家であるフェルナンド・リマコと出会う。リマコはラマの設立に関する詳細な記事を持っていた。
  • フェルナンド・リマコとUFO目撃: 1990年頃、米国に移民していたフェルナンド・リマコは、移民・帰化局の脅威にさらされていたヒスパニック系のコンタクトワーカーを助けるために Gilroy へ車を運転中に、ハイウェイ152で皿型UFOを目撃し、「パイティティ」というテレパシーメッセージを受け取る。
  • パイティティでの国際会議と選抜: リマコはラマのネットワークを通じて、ペルーのパイティティで国際的な大規模コンタクト会議が開催されることを知る。世界中の自動書記家がパイティティでの大規模遭遇を予測していた。200人以上の活動家が参加した会議で、ラマの指導部はパイティティへ行く意思のある者を募る。全員が手を挙げるが、最終的に自動書記によってシクスト・パス・ウェルズとフェルナンド・リマコを含む6名だけが選ばれる。
  • パイティティへの探検: 選ばれた6名はガイドと共に、道のないジャングルを1週間かけてパイティティへ向かう。途中でビデオカメラが故障し、ガイドが恐れて引き返すという困難に直面する。彼らはクロコダイルのいる川を渡り、毒蛇に囲まれて眠るなどの危険を乗り越える。
  • 先住民との遭遇: 探検中、彼らは弓矢と槍で武装した先住民の狩人たちと遭遇する。地球外生命体は事前にテレパシーでこれらの狩人たちの夢に現れ、彼らに都市の人々を助けるよう伝えていたとされる。狩人たちは友好的に彼らを助け、フェルナンドに弓矢を贈る。
  • パイティティでの遭遇（グループ転送と「大いなる白き同胞団」）: パイティティ到着前日、瞑想中に全員が幽体離脱を経験し、意識レベルで宇宙船に乗せられる。翌日、パイティティに到着した彼らは、青い光線によって宇宙船に転送され、「大いなる白き同胞団」と呼ばれる地球外生命体（白いローブをまとい、体が光に包まれている）と友好的な交流を持つ。この際、参加者の一人が恐怖で失禁したことは、遭遇の物理的な側面を示唆するとされる。
  • ラマ宇宙論の発展: 彼らは地球外生命体から、地球が技術的野蛮から精神的発達のより高い段階へと移行する重要な進化の時期にあるという宇宙論を受け取る。この宇宙論は、振動レベル、地球外生命体による地球支援の神聖な義務、そして銀河連邦の存在といったテーマを含む。

現在​

  • ラマ・ミッションの継続: ラマ・ミッションは形を変えながら現在も活動を続けており、エンリケ・ヴァン・ウイベンやリカルド・ゴンザレスといった活動家が米国でもフィールドワークを行っている。組織内部での対立や資金をめぐる問題は発生するが、現象の裏にある知性は接触を継続する意思があり、地球のエリート層に挑戦し、より平和で精神的に進化した世界の可能性を提示していると信じられている。

主要関係者​

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‌‌シクスト・パス・ウェルズ (Sixto Paz-Wells)‌‌: ラマ・ミッションの創設者。10代後半から20代前半で、ハタヨガの実践者。32階級のフリーメイソンのテレパシー通信に関する講義をきっかけに自動書記を始め、地球外生命体「オキサルト」とのコンタクトを確立する。初期のラマ・ミッションにおける「プログラムされた遭遇」と「ゼンドラ（次元ポータル）」によるガニメデへの転送経験の核心人物。彼の著書『The Invitation』はラマの初期活動について記述されている。

‌‌ジョセフ・バークス医師 (Joseph Burkes, MD)‌‌: インタビューのゲスト。元内科医で現在は引退。若年期には平和運動や社会正義運動の活動家として、特にラテンアメリカの社会変革運動を支援。1990年代初頭からCE-5イニシアチブのオーガナイザーとしてコンタクトワークに従事し、ラマ・ミッションに関する情報を北米のコンタクトネットワークに広める上で重要な役割を果たす。彼は「仮想体験モデル」という独自のコンタクト解釈も提唱している。

‌‌ジェームズ・イアンドーリ (James Iandoli)‌‌: インタビューの聞き手。『Engaging the Phenomenon』のホスト。ラマ・ミッションの初期の歴史や、CE-5イニシアチブとの関連性についてジョセフ・バークスに質問を投げかける。

‌‌ガルシア・ウェルズ (Garcia Wells)‌‌: シクスト・パス・ウェルズの父親。熱心なUFO研究家（ナッツ＆ボルトのUFO学者）。息子シクストの活動に当初は懐疑的だったが、後に遭遇に立ち会うことを許可される。しかし、プロトコルを無視して友人たちを連れて遭遇現場をパーティー会場にしてしまい、失敗の原因を作る。

‌‌オキサルト (Oxalt)‌‌: シクスト・パス・ウェルズが自動書記を通じて最初にコンタクトしたとされる非人間的知性。自らを木星の衛星ガニメデから来たと名乗る。シクストをガニメデの基地「モアラン」に転送したとされる存在。アジア系の特徴を持つ中年男性としてシクストの心の中で視覚化される。

‌‌ジョルジオ・ピアンチェンツァ (Giorgio Pianzenza)‌‌: 1970年代にラマと遭遇を経験したビジネスマン。ペルーのリマとマイアミ間で輸出入業を営み、ラマと北米コンタクトネットワーク（CE-5）の間の重要な連絡役として機能。ジョセフ・バークスにラマ・ミッションを紹介した人物。

‌‌ジョー・バジェーホ大尉 (Captain Joe Vallejo)‌‌: 元ユナイテッド航空の747パイロットで、ジョセフ・バークスのCE-5チームの一員。マイアミに家族がおり、ラマとCE-5の間の連絡役として重要な役割を果たす。フェルナンド・リマコの親しい友人で、リマコの身辺の出来事をバークスに伝えた。

‌‌フェルナンド・リマコ博士 (Dr. Fernando Limaco)‌‌: ラマの第2世代の重要な活動家で、元歯科外科医。米国公衆衛生協会会議でジョセフ・バークスと出会い、ラマに関する記事を提供する。ペルーでの Sendero Luminoso による娘の誘拐未遂事件を機に米国に移住。米国でのフィールドワーク中にテレパシーメッセージを受け取り、パイティティでの国際的な遭遇に選ばれた6人のうちの1人。

‌‌ヨランダ・マルシーノ (Yolanda Marcino)‌‌: ペルーのコンタクトワーカーで、かつて米国におけるラマ・ミッションのリーダーを務めた人物。ラマの初期の形成に関する詳細な記事を『UFO Library magazine』に寄稿した著者。

‌‌スティーブン・グリア博士 (Dr. Steven Greer)‌‌: CE-5イニシアチブの創設者で、CSETI（Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence）の責任者。ジョセフ・バークスがCSETIの理事を務めていた時期に、ラマ・ミッションの存在を認めず、自身のグループが唯一コンタクトワークを行っていると主張したため、バークスの批判の対象となっている。

‌‌エンリケ・ヴァン・ウイベン (Enrique Van Uyven)‌‌: 現在も活動するラマ・ミッションの活動家の一人。

‌‌リカルド・ゴンザレス (Ricardo Gonzales)‌‌: 現在も活動するラマ・ミッションの活動家の一人。

‌‌ラルフ・スタイナー (Ralph Steiner)‌‌: ジョセフ・バークスの友人でジャーナリスト。CE-5ネットワークの活動家でもあった。米国の宇宙探査機から暗号化された情報をダウンロードしていたとされる高セキュリティの研究所で働いていた女性から、ガニメデの採掘作業の画像に関する噂話を入手したとされる。

‌‌レスリー・キーン (Leslie Keene)‌‌: KPFAラジオ（パシフィカ・ラジオ）の共同制作者でジャーナリスト。ラルフ・スタイナーの同僚。

‌‌センデロ・ルミノソ (Sendero Luminoso)‌‌: 1970年代から80年代のペルーで活動した狂信的なマルクス主義・毛沢東主義のゲリラ組織。政府高官の殺害や富裕層の誘拐などテロ行為を行い、フェルナンド・リマコの娘を誘拐しようとした。

Zendra（異次元空間ゲート）体験​

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ゼンドラ（Zendra）は、ソース内で議論されている重要な概念であり、ラマ・ミッションのコンタクト経験の中心的な側面を形成しています。これは、地球外の存在が別の環境への‌‌移動を促進できる異次元のポータル‌‌を指す用語です。

ゼンドラに関する主要なポイントと関連する概念は以下の通りです。

  • ‌‌ゼンドラの定義と起源‌‌:

    • ゼンドラ（Z-E-N-D-R-A）は、地球外生命体であると主張されているオクサルト（Axalt）がシクスト・パス・ウェルズに与えた「次元ポータル」の用語です。
    • これは、‌‌地球外の存在が別の環境への移動を促進できる‌‌とされているものです。

  • ‌‌シクスト・パス・ウェルズの最初のゼンドラ体験‌‌:

    • 1974年7月、ペルーのリマから南に約60キロのチルカにある砂漠地帯ラ・ミナで、シクスト・パス・ウェルズは仲間から離れ、光の中に現れたオクサルトに出会いました。
    • オクサルトは彼に‌‌次元ポータルに入る‌‌ことを説明しました。
    • シクストは体が溶けていくような感覚、首や頭に熱が走る感覚を覚え、突然、ペルーの海岸のチルカではない別の地球環境にいることに気づきました。
    • 彼は、木星の月であるガニメデ、彼らがモアランド（Moreland）と呼ぶ場所に設立された地球外生命体の基地にいたとオクサルトから告げられました。この基地は数千年前から採掘のために設立されたとされています。
    • シクストはそこでドーム状の構造物や、ユートピア的な社会を目の当たりにし、人々は‌‌厳格な菜食主義者‌‌であり、毎日4時間しか働かず、金銭がなく、精神的な探求やガイド付き瞑想に多くの時間を費やしているという情報を得ました。
    • シクストはそこで3〜4時間過ごしたと感じましたが、彼の仲間たちは彼が離れてからわずか15〜20分しか経っていないと述べました。これは‌‌空間-時間の歪み‌‌というコンタクト体験の要素を示しています。

  • ‌‌集団ゼンドラ体験‌‌:

    • シクストの個人的なゼンドラ体験の1週間後、1974年夏に、複数の若いラマ活動家が‌‌集団でガニメデにテレポートされた‌‌と報じられています。
    • 彼らは巨大な会議室の壁に中国の表意文字のような記号が描かれた場所で、24人の長老からなる評議会の前に連れて行かれたとされています。ここにはダビデの星と三叉の記号があり、このイメージがラマ・ネットワークのロゴになりました。
    • この出来事は、地球表面から別の環境への‌‌多人数によるテレポートを目撃した出来事‌‌として報告されました。

  • ‌‌バーチャル・エクスペリエンス・モデルとの関連‌‌:

    • ジョセフ・バークス博士は、ゼンドラの体験について独自の‌‌「バーチャル・エクスペリエンス・モデル」‌‌という代替説明を提案しています。
    • 彼は、ラマの人々が実際に太陽系の月に輸送されたという話だけで納得しているわけではないと述べていますが、彼らが語った話が彼らが知る真実であり、捏造ではなかったと信じています。
    • バークス博士は、地球外生命体の知性が‌‌幻影やホログラフィックな投影、あるいは個人の意識を捉える仮想現実‌‌（バーチャル・リアリティ）を作り出す能力を持っていると考えています。
    • 仮想体験の第二種は、まるで映画『マトリックス』のように「現実よりも現実的」に感じられる経験で、物理的な現実ではなく意識のレベルで起こるとされます。
    • ゼンドラは、この‌‌バーチャル・エクスペリエンスの一部‌‌である可能性が示唆されています。
    • ただし、フェルナンド・リマコが語ったペティティでの集団コンタクト体験では、参加者の一人が恐怖で失禁したという話があり、バークス博士はこれが物理的な要素を示唆していると見ています。

  • ‌‌コンタクトの準備と精神的発展‌‌:

    • ゼンドラを含む高レベルのコンタクトを成功させるために、ラマ・ミッションは厳しいプロトコルに従いました。初期の失敗（シクストの父親が協定違反で友人たちを連れてきてパーティーのような雰囲気になった事件）の後、彼らは努力を倍加させました。
    • コンタクト前の数日間の断食、非常に‌‌厳格な菜食主義‌‌への切り替え、そしてチャクラを開くといった‌‌精神的発展‌‌がプログラムの非常に重要な部分でした。
    • 彼らは瞑想を通じて精神的な栄養と励ましを得ていました。
    • センドラによる移動の1日前には、チーム全員が意識レベルで船内に連れて行かれる‌‌体外離脱体験‌‌をしたとされています。

  • ‌‌テレパシーと自動書記によるプログラミングされた遭遇‌‌:

    • ゼンドラ体験は、ラマ・ミッションが実践する「プログラムされた遭遇」（encuentros programados）という、‌‌非人間的知性からメッセージを受け取る‌‌取り決められた交流の一部です。
    • 初期のメッセージは主に‌‌自動書記‌‌を通じて受け取られ、サイ能力を持つ個人は「アンテナ」と呼ばれました。
    • 複数の「アンテナ」が‌‌独立して同じ時間と場所の情報を受け取る‌‌ことで、その遭遇が確実に予定されていると判断されました。

  • ‌‌ラマの宇宙論‌‌:

    • ゼンドラを通じた接触体験は、ラマ・ミッションの宇宙論の基盤となりました。
    • この宇宙論によれば、地球は急速な変化の時期を経ており、‌‌技術的野蛮から、より高い段階の物質的発展だけでなく、精神的発展へと移行‌‌しています。
    • 地球外生命体は、私たちが進化するのを助けるという神聖な義務を負っているとされています。
    • 高い振動レベルに住む地球外生命体は、私たちの振動レベルに降りてくると寿命が短くなるとされ、それでもなお私たちを支援しようとしていると伝えられました。

ゼンドラの概念は、ラマ・ミッションの‌‌コンタクト経験の物理的、精神的、そして存在論的な側面を統合する‌‌中心的な要素であり、彼らの世界観とコンタクト活動の動機を形成する上で不可欠でした。

地球は銀河系で最も偉大な催し物で、地球が他の文明進化を促進​

AI

ラマ宇宙論のより大きな文脈において、ソースは‌‌多様なETの姿（フェノタイプ）‌‌について、彼らが地球と人類の進化を助けるという彼らの使命と密接に関連していると説明しています。

具体的には以下の点が挙げられます。

  • ‌‌多様なフェノタイプの存在‌‌: 接触体験者が記述する‌‌複数のフェノタイプ‌‌、すなわち外見による分類が存在するとされています。これには、‌‌グレイ、レプティリアン、マンティス型‌‌の他、特定の形を持たない‌‌奇妙なエネルギー生命体‌‌まで、数十種類の異なる姿が含まれる可能性があると示唆されています。
  • ‌‌ラマ宇宙論による説明‌‌: ラマの宇宙論によれば、これらの多様なET文明が地球に存在しているのは、「地球が実際に‌‌銀河系最大のショー‌‌であるから」という一つの説明になり得るとされています。地球は「‌‌精神的なダイナモ‌‌」であり、その巨大な精神的エネルギーの潜在力は、人類が次の進化レベルに到達できれば、私たちを支援している他の文明も彼ら自身の進化の梯子を上がることを可能にすると考えられています。
  • ‌‌ETの使命と役割‌‌: ETは、私たちの意識を拡大し、私たちが「恐ろしい時代を生き残り、繁栄する」のを助けるために地球にいるとされています。ラマの宇宙論では、地球は技術的な野蛮さから、物質的だけでなく精神的な発展のより高い段階へと移行している急速な変化の時期を経験しているとされ、地球外生命体は私たちをこの進化で助ける神聖な義務を負っていると信じられています。
  • ‌‌振動レベルとの関連‌‌: ラマの宇宙論では、「振動」という概念が重要視されています。技術的、精神的に進化した地球外生命体は、より高いレベルの振動が必要な領域に生息しており、私たちの振動レベルに降りてくると個々のETの寿命が短くなるとも伝えられています。それでもなお、彼らは私たちを支援しようとしているのです。
  • ‌‌具体的なETの描写‌‌: ラマの接触経験では、個々のETの姿も具体的に語られています。例えば、シクスト・パス・ウェルズが次元ポータル「ゼンドラ」で最初に出会ったオクサルトは、‌‌身長6フィート2インチ（約188cm）で、白いブロンドの髪が肩まで伸び、力強い東洋的な特徴と吊り上がった目‌‌を持つ男性として描かれています。また、ガニメデ（彼らはモアランドと呼ぶ）の基地でシクストや他のラマ活動家たちが面会した「24人の長老評議会」のETの中には、「‌‌明らかに人間ではない者もいた‌‌」と報告されており、ヒューマノイド型と非ヒューマノイド型の両方が存在する可能性が示唆されています。

これらの情報は、ラマ・ミッションが単一のET種族との接触ではなく、銀河規模の多様な文明との相互作用をその宇宙論に組み込んでいることを示しています。彼らの目標は、地球人類をより高い精神的・技術的進化へと導くことであり、多様なフェノタイプのETはそのプロセスにおいて異なる役割を果たす存在として捉えられていると理解できます。

銀河連邦​

AI

ラマ宇宙論のより大きな文脈において、ソースは‌‌銀河連邦‌‌という概念を、地球と人類の進化を助けるための地球外生命体（ET）の組織的な協力と関連付けています。

具体的には、以下の点が議論されています。

  • ‌‌銀河連邦の存在‌‌: ラマの宇宙論によれば、‌‌「銀河連邦」‌‌が‌‌存在するとされている‌‌と述べられています。これは、「スター・トレック」のファンになじみのある概念として提示されており、複数の文明が協力していることを示唆しています。
  • ‌‌ETの使命と人類の進化‌‌: 銀河連邦に属するとされる地球外生命体は、私たちの「振動レベルを高め」、‌‌「意識を拡大」‌‌し、‌‌「恐ろしい時代を生き残り、繁栄する」‌‌のを助けるためにここにいるとされています。
  • ‌‌多様なETの姿との関連‌‌: 銀河連邦の存在は、接触体験者が記述する‌‌「多様なETの姿（フェノタイプ）」‌‌に対する‌‌一つの説明‌‌として提供されています。これには、グレイ、レプティリアン、マンティス型、特定の形を持たない奇妙なエネルギー生命体などが含まれる可能性があります。
  • ‌‌相互的な利益‌‌: ラマの宇宙論は、地球が「精神的なダイナモ」であり、その巨大な精神的エネルギーの潜在力が、人類が次の進化レベルに到達すれば、‌‌私たちを支援している他の文明も彼ら自身の「進化の梯子」を上がることを可能にする‌‌と考えているため、ETの支援が単なる一方的なものではないことを示唆しています。
  • ‌‌倫理的責任‌‌: より高度に洗練され、進化した各地球外文明は、‌‌他の文化を支援する「道徳的責任」‌‌を負っているとされています。これは、文明の発展が、単なる技術的な進歩だけでなく、精神的な発展を伴うというラマ宇宙論の核となる信念を反映しています。

このように、銀河連邦は、ラマ・ミッションの接触体験を通じて形成された宇宙論において、多様なET文明が地球人類の精神的・技術的進化を支援するために連携しているという、‌‌大規模で組織的な協力関係を象徴する概念‌‌として位置づけられています。

組織の内部対立、そして分裂​

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ラマ宇宙論における「課題と発展」のより大きな文脈において、これらのソースは、内部の対立と分裂が‌‌コンタクト活動の避けられない困難の一部‌‌であると述べています。

具体的には、以下の点が挙げられています。

  • ‌‌問題の発生‌‌: ラマ・ミッションは最初の15～20年間は順調に発展したものの、その後「‌‌問題が発生し始めた‌‌」とされています。これには「‌‌仲間割れ‌‌ (falling outs)」が含まれると示唆されており、内部の摩擦や意見の相違が生じたことを示しています。
  • ‌‌具体的な対立の原因‌‌: ソースは、内部対立の具体的な原因として、以下の点を挙げています。
    • ‌‌裏切りと内部闘争‌‌: 「‌‌裏切り、内部闘争‌‌ (betrayals, internal fighting)」があったと明言されています。
    • ‌‌金銭の影響‌‌: 「‌‌金銭の醜い影響‌‌ (ugly influence of money)」が問題を引き起こしたと述べられています。これは、ラマの創設者であるシクスト・パス・ウェルズと、CE5ネットワークのリーダーであるスティーブン・グリア博士の両方に‌‌多額の資金が集まったこと‌‌に関連しており、‌‌金銭をめぐる争い‌‌が生じたとされています。
    • ‌‌名声と注目‌‌: 金銭と同様に、「‌‌名声と注目をめぐる争い‌‌ (fighting over publicity and attention)」も内部対立の原因となったと指摘されています。また、シクスト・パス・ウェルズが「‌‌話をでっち上げ、誇張している‌‌ (making up stories and exaggerating)」という‌‌非難‌‌も存在したとされています。
  • ‌‌コンタクトネットワークの困難‌‌: コンタクトネットワークの活動は「‌‌信じられないほど困難‌‌ (incredibly difficult)」であり、このような課題が「‌‌何度も発生する‌‌ (come up again and again)」ことが強調されています。この認識は、ラマ・ミッションが直面した困難が、他の同様のグループ（CE5イニシアチブなど）でも見られる普遍的な問題であることを示唆しています。

これらの内部対立や分裂は、ラマ・ミッションがその‌‌歴史を通じて直面した主要な「課題」‌‌の一部であり、その‌‌「発展」の過程‌‌で乗り越えなければならない試練として描かれています。

1974年の集団での Zendra 体験​

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「課題と発展」のより大きな文脈において、これらのソースは、1974年夏に発生した‌‌集団でのゼンドラ体験‌‌が、ラマ・ミッションの初期の活動と‌‌宇宙論の形成における重要な出来事‌‌であったことを論じています。

この集団ゼンドラ体験について、ソースは以下の点を述べています。

  • ‌‌時期と参加者‌‌: 最初の「Zendra（ゼンドラ）」体験から約1週間後の1974年夏、‌‌複数の若者たち‌‌、すなわちラマ・チームの‌‌グループ全体‌‌が、再び「ゼンドラ」、すなわち次元間のポータルを通じた体験をしました。
  • ‌‌体験の内容‌‌:
    • 彼らは‌‌木星の衛星ガニメデ‌‌（彼らは「モアランド」と呼んでいた）にあるとされる基地へと‌‌テレポート‌‌されたとされています。シクスト・パス・ウェルズの最初の個人的なガニメデ体験に続く、集団での体験でした。
    • 伝えられるところによると、彼らは巨大な会議ホールで‌‌24人の長老からなる評議会‌‌の前に連れて行かれました。
    • 会議ホールの壁には‌‌漢字のような記号‌‌があり、メインステージの上には24人の長老、つまり‌‌高位のET（一部は明らかに人間ではなかった）が座っていた‌‌とされています。
    • そこには‌‌ダビデの星と三叉槍のシンボル‌‌もあり、このイメージが後に‌‌ラマ・ネットワークのロゴ‌‌となったと述べられています。
    • この出来事は、地球表面から別の環境への‌‌多人数が目撃したテレポート体験‌‌であったとされています。
  • ‌‌信憑性に関する考察‌‌: インタビュアーのジョセフ・バークス博士は、この物語だけに基づいて彼らが本当に太陽系の月へ物理的に移動したと「確信していない」と述べつつも、ラマのこれまでの実績を考慮すると、「グループ遭遇の物語を持って帰ってきた人々にとっては、それが‌‌彼らが知る真実であった‌‌」と信じており、「でっち上げではなかった」と強調しています。彼は、自身の「仮想体験モデル」を用いて、これが意識レベルで起こる「仮想現実」のような体験であった可能性も示唆しています。

この集団ゼンドラ体験は、ラマ・ミッションの‌‌宇宙論の基礎‌‌となり、数万人の活動家と数十か国に広がる‌‌世界的なネットワーク‌‌へと発展していく上での重要な構成要素となりました。

情報源​

動画(1:28:30)

Joseph Burkes, MD - The Mission Rahma Contact Network (ETP 013)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrAOKQbXyIc

文字起こし​

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（以下はインタビュー動画の文字起こしです。長いので 2分割し、これは前半です。 James Iandoli が聞き手で、ゲストが Joseph Burkes, MD です。）

Hey everybody, welcome back to Engaging the Phenomenon. And again, returning as also highly requested by everybody in the audience, we have again with us, Dr. Joseph Birx. Welcome Joe. Thanks for having me on again. And I'll correct myself and say, Joseph Birx, MD. And today we're gonna be covering something which I think is a very important topic in what Joe would call the contact underground, or the history of modern contact work. (0:00:35)

And that's Mission Rama. And I'm first gonna relay just a very initial kind of introduction to Rama as based in Sixto Paz-Well's English transcribed book called The Invitation. And then Dr. Joe is gonna follow up in regards to an article that was portrayed as very accurate. So just, there's a book, I think it's one of the only English translated books by Sixto Paz-Wells. I think it's one of two, into English is called The Invitation. And that book describes the early beginning and the early mission and some of the early activity that Mission Rama had. (0:01:25)

So Mission Rama is a group from Lima, Peru who was doing contact work. You know, what we in the United States or other countries might recognize as CE5, but, you know, contact work. And Sixto Paz-Wells has a very interesting story in how he got involved in contact and contact work. You know, I believe he was in his late teens or early 20s and his father was actually somewhat of a ufologist in South America and would organize conferences or attend conferences to speak at. (0:02:01)

But his father, from what I understand, was somewhat of a nuts and bolts ufologist reporting on, you know, investigating and reporting different UFO cases. And during one of these conferences Sixto Paz-Wells attended a lecture given by actually a 32nd degree Freemason. And the entire lecture was on telepathically communicating with non-human intelligence. I actually found it pretty interesting that this was being taught by a 32nd degree Freemason, but nonetheless, you know, Sixto Paz-Wells attended this lecture and received some of these instructions and studied it. (0:02:47)

And he went home after that. And Sixto Paz-Wells had also mentioned he was into Hathi yoga. So he was familiar with meditation and concentration exercise. And so he began to practice these techniques that he learned in this lecture about, you know, telepathically communicating with non-human intelligence. And from there, I believe even in the first session, he began, or shortly after, he began automatic writing. (0:03:26)

And during these automatic writing, he would get very interesting answers and responses. And he was sitting around with his family and they started asking him questions, you know, from this non-human intelligence, you know, through Sixto doing automatic writing. And, you know, Sixto was able to respond in some pretty surprising ways, you know, by communicating with this non-human intelligence, up until the point where they said, okay, you know, where can we see you? Or let's, you know, have an encounter. (0:03:58)

And so Sixto was able to name a date, a location, and a time through this automatic writing and, you know, alleged telepathic communication. (0:04:10)

And sure enough, you know, Sixto and some of his family and friends went to the location and, you know, I believe it was like something like 10 p.m. at night when the sighting was supposed to occur, a hamburger-shaped or almost like a disc-shaped object appeared and it came quite low. Everybody freaked out and kind of ran. And that was some of the beginning contact experiences they began to have. (0:04:43)

But Dr. Joe, from your article, what do you got? Well, thanks for having me on again. It's a real pleasure. Before I talk about the mission rama, I just want to remind the audience of who I am. If you haven't had a chance to see the first episode of our interview, or our interviews, which is the second one, engaging the phenomena. I'm an internal medicine physician, now retired, 30 years practice for the Permanente Medical Group. I was, during my youth, an activist at various peace and social justice movements. (0:05:24)

And as a high school student, I studied Spanish. So I got very much involved in support work during the 60s and 70s, support work for the movements of social change in Latin America. When I was 19, I traveled to Mexico, was there for two and a half months. This was a very trying time in Mexican history because the Olympics occurred in 1968, and there were massive demonstrations against the government. (0:05:57)

And in the Plaza of the Three Cultures, La Plaza de las Tres Culturas, the army unleashed machine guns against an unarmed crowd. Well, I shouldn't say that. There were some people armed in the crowd. And about 400 students, workers, were gunned down right in the middle of Mexico City. It was a terrible event. So as a teenager, I was doing support work, traveling to Latin America. In 1969, I traveled to Guatemala. And being an anti-Vietnam War activist in the civil rights and labor support activists, I've identified with the struggle of the young people in Latin America to try to reform their countries and create social justice. (0:06:43)

So that's how I got involved in Latin America. When I became a contact activist, which we talked about in some detail during the previous interview, I heard about Mission Rama through a very important person, Giorgio Pianzenza. In 1970, correction, in 1993, the CE5 network had a three-day in-depth workshop in right outside Phoenix, about 60 miles, in a place that was called Ropes and Mining World. And Giorgio Pianzenza, a young man, and I would say he probably was in his late 20s, early 30s. He was a businessman who had established an import-export business, flying from Lima, Peru, to Miami. And he was a friend of Rama. He had had a sighting when he was, I guess, a teenager in 1974, and 75, just a year after Mission Rama was established. (0:08:00)

And he played a very important role because he was flying back and forth to the United States as liaison between Mission Rama and the North American contact network that was formed in the early 1990s. And so I got a chance to learn about Mission Rama through Giorgio Pianzenza. He described their amazing encounters starting in 1974. And Joe Vallejo, who was a 747 pilot, now retired from United Airlines, he had family in Miami. So he was on my contact team, one of the two pilots on our CE-5 contact teams operating out of Los Angeles in the early 1990s. So I had Captain Joe Vallejo playing a very important liaison role. (0:08:53)

So I got to meet Mission Rama activists in 1993. I was then an organizer for the CE-5 initiative and doing workshops and facilitating other working groups coming into the field. (0:09:11)

And I traveled to the American Public Health Association meeting in 1992, that was in Washington, DC, and actually set up a CE-5 network, or CSETI, Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence booth. And I recruited healthcare workers into our network by right there in the middle of the American Public Health Association's pavilion with thousands of health workers and professionals showing videos of UFOs and asking people to join our efforts. (0:09:43)

And a number of physicians and healthcare workers did join the network. And in 1993, we held our American Public Health Association meeting in San Francisco. So again, I set up a CE-5 network booth and showing videos. And I got to meet a very important individual, Fernando Limaco. He was a retired dental surgeon who was part of the second wave of Rama activists. And he brought to me an article that was published in a UFO library magazine. (0:10:24)

That's a newspaper, I should say a magazine that is no longer in publication, but it had details concerning the formation of Mission Rama, which I'd like to talk to you about. So with that as a background of my interest in Latin America, how I got to know of Mission Rama through Giorgio Pianzenza and my friend, Captain Joe Vallejo, I met this very powerful, very spiritually enlightened individual, Dr. Limaco. So do you have any questions for me at this point? (0:11:03)

No, that's great. And again, just so people understand, Mission Rama is a group of contact workers or contact activists in the early 1970s, essentially doing the same thing that, or in their own way, as the CE5 initiative had started in the 1990s. So I just want people to realize that this is beginning 20 years before Dr. Greer came on the scene publicly with the CE5 initiative. (0:11:32)

I just want to lay that down as a kind of preface. So go ahead, Dr. Joe. Okay, so the article was published in this obscure magazine, UFO Library magazine, but it was written by a very important person, Yolanda Marcino. And she, a Peruvian contact worker and leader of, she was at one time a leader of Mission Rama in the United States. And the story I'm going to share with you is based on that library magazine, UFO Library magazine. (0:12:08)

And just as we've just heard, James told us that Rama got its start in 1974 in Lima, Peru. Now we should say a little bit about Lima. It's a city on the coast of Peru. It's the capital of Peru. Peru is the third largest country in South America. After Brazil and Argentina, Peru is the largest land mass. It's also had a big population of 15 million people back in the 1970s. Now they have over 30 million people in the country. (0:12:49)

It's a place of tremendous diversity along the coast, which is on the Pacific Ocean, you have dry, arid desert. Moisture coming in from the Pacific Ocean hits the Andes and Lima, Peru is elevated off the coast. (0:13:08)

And then you have tropical rainforests on the Eastern slopes going down into Brazil. And you have high desert locations sort of like the United States. And then you've got extremely mountainous areas, the peaks of the Andes mountain going up over 17,000 feet. So these are places where if North Americans tried to go, they would become immediately sick from oxygen deprivation. So it's a land of tremendous diversity. (0:13:48)

At the time that Rama was established, more than half the population were indigenous people. They have their own language, they should say languages, Quechuan. And they are the descendants of the Incas, which was the largest ancient civilization in the new world that was conquered by the Pizarro and his murderous gang of invaders in the mid 16th century. So they have a long history of indigenous people and their culture. (0:14:24)

And the population is mixed North America, I should say Europeans and mixing with indigenous people mestizos, as they call them in Spanish. So with that little background about Peruvian culture and people, I'll tell what I know about the events that James shared with you. Yes, García Wells, Sixto Paz Wells' father was an avid ufologist. In 1974, he had this conference, which you heard about. (0:14:58)

And one of the presentations was about the possibility of contact extraterrestrials through consciousness, mind, telepathy. And automatic writing was what Sixto Paz Wells, who was, as you heard, a young university student, late teens, early 20s. And he was excited about the prospect. He was already a practitioner of yoga. And here again, last time I talked about the modus operandi of a very special type of contact activist. (0:15:34)

I call them prime contactees. Definitely Sixto Paz Wells was one. And the prime contactees are people, young people, primarily the ones that I've worked with are men, but there are many women as well. They are recruited by UFO intelligence as either teenagers or in their early 20s. Typically with minimal adult supervision, they develop consciousness techniques that allows them to establish, shall we say, a link between themselves and universal mind or consciousness in its most unbounded form. (0:16:13)

And with this talent, this psi capability that comes from deep meditation, they're able to establish telepathic communication. Well, Sixto decided he'd give it a try. And it was on January 22nd, 1974, when, with his mom present and a few family members, went into deep meditation and reached out to UFO intelligences. He had a pad by his hand, at his hands, a writing pad. (0:16:51)

And within a few moments, after he achieved this state of unbounded mind, he felt his hand moving across the piece of paper. After a while, well, initially it was just scribble scrabble, but after a while he felt a consciousness that was not his own take over control of his writing hand. And he started writing and he established contact, contact with a being that in his mind's eye appeared to be a middle-aged man with some Asian features sitting at a white desk with his hands on his forehead like this. (0:17:35)

And the being identified himself as Oxalt. And through this telepathic communication, Oxalt communicated to him that he was an extraterrestrial being and he was communicating to Sixto from what we would call Ganymede, which is a Jovian moon, the largest moon, the Galilean moons of Jupiter. And allegedly Oxalt was there communicating via telepathy to Sixto Pazuelos in Lima, Peru. Well, this was quite a shocking experience. (0:18:13)

Sixto wasn't quite sure what to make of it according to the article. (0:18:20)

And so his mom and his sister arranged to have a family get together in their home where they'd give Sixto a chance to do it again. So again, and this was on... I think it was on the first week of February, 1974, with friends of the family there, many young people, he went into a trance. And again, Oxalt communicated to them via automatic writing. (0:18:55)

And just as James mentioned to you, people in the audience, there in the Sixto Pazuelos' home, they got a chance to ask questions to the alleged ET Oxalt. And Sixto was channeling and writing down the answers to their questions. At first, they posed questions to him verbally, but later on in that session, they actually posed the questions to Oxalt telepathically where they would think of questions and Sixto Pazuelos would receive the answers to those telepathically transmitted questions, communicating it all out in automatic writing. (0:19:42)

One particular communication was of significance as there was a somewhat skeptical woman in the audience, a young woman who telepathically communicated that she wanted, if this ET was real, she wanted him to tell her the name of the book that she was reading and to give the page that she was on. And after that thought was transmitted, Sixto Pazuelos writing automatically, not only described, not only named the book, correctly identified the page that she was on, but also gave back to the somewhat skeptical woman in the audience what her feelings were about the book she was reading. (0:20:30)

So there was no doubt in their minds at that point that they had genuine communication with a non-human intelligence that was totally telepathic. And as the expression goes, that intelligence could access their own individual consciousness as readily as you and I access light in a house by turning on the wall switch. So, but they still had doubts as to who this being was. (0:20:56)

And so they said, can you arrange a meeting? And the meeting was arranged on February 7th, 1974. It was located in a place about 60 kilometers south of Lima in a place called Chilca, which is in the desert adjacent to the Pacific ocean. And a group of seven young contact workers who were practicing yoga, and we had been instructed to carry out meditation and eat vegetarian food, which is another thing we're gonna get into. (0:21:36)

The most advanced elements of the contact network are pretty much totally vegan. And this is an important point because people have often asked why did Sixth Apostle Wells and the Mission Rama have such high level contacts from the very beginning and other contact networks 20 years later still have not achieved such success. So we can get into the high level of spiritual development that occurred within the Rama network. (0:22:10)

One part of which was vegetarianism. So as James described it, February 7th, 1974, a contact team of seven out in Chilca and sure enough, the hamburger shaped UFO appeared around nine o'clock at night. (0:22:30)

First they thought it was the moon, but then as it came closer, they saw it was a saucer shaped craft and the young people were not quite prepared. They were very apprehensive. The craft hovered overhead and beamed the light down on the team but was there for about 15 minutes. But they were instructed telepathically through Sixth Apostle Wells doing his automatic writing that they really needed to build themselves spiritually, do more meditation and prepare properly for the next encounter. (0:23:06)

So James, do you have any questions or you'd like to add anything from the book? No, sure. Is that where the article ends? No, this is just the beginning. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. Sure. I'm hoping we have no limit on time, I'm told. So I'm going to, if it's okay, to go through the details that was the history, the intimate history of the early days of Mission Rama because what Mission Rama became was eventually through emigration, a worldwide network of contact workers. (0:23:45)

When I made contact with Rama in 1993, the article that I quoted just came out, they had claimed that there were over 25,000 individual encounters with extraterrestrial intelligence throughout the Rama network. This was now almost 20 years into their mission. By now, given basically, it's now 50 years of contact experience, or I should say over 40 years of contact work. The numbers are probably in the hundreds of thousands of individuals going out and doing what we call field work or what they call encuentros programos, programmed encounters, probably hundreds of thousands of contact, individual contact experiences have occurred. (0:24:38)

So this is why it's of great importance for people who are interested in this subject, contact with non-human intelligence of a presumed extraterrestrial nature to know the intimate details of this amazing network of very inspired, who were initially were young people. And now there are gray hairs like me, but still interested in the subject. Yeah, just so people have, are familiar that, Rama has used this term program sightings or programmed encounters. (0:25:12)

Can you describe what a programmed encounter is? Yes, what it is, is a meeting, an encounter. It's an arranged interchange where humans, receive messages from the non-human intelligences. And they do it primarily in the early days via automatic writings. And the term used for people within the Rama network who are particularly Sai capability, the term is antennas, antennas, you know? And so what Rama people do is that they find Sai talented individuals. (0:25:56)

And they have usually at least one and better two or three within any contact team or a small network. When two or three of them all receive the same message as to a time and in place of the encounter that's to be scheduled, then the Rama people know that information is solid. It's akin to what the United States government in its remote viewers program used, where they would have multiple Sai capability, psychic spies working for the CIA or the Defense Intelligence Agency who ran remote viewers program. (0:26:36)

They would have multiple remote views of a target in order to verify the information is accurate. (0:26:44)

And so these Rama contact network activists would be independently receiving information. And then when they would correlate the information when it was correct, the same, they knew that that encounter was to be scheduled. So that's how they programmed or scheduled these events. So after this February 7th, 1994 first encounter, young people redouble their efforts, meditation, vegetarianism. They were also told that they should prepare to fast or eat light meals before they go out into the field, because this also facilitates telepathic communication with the alleged ETs. But the communication also spelled out some important guidelines. (0:27:39)

One of which was that the Rama young people were not to try to recruit or tell people who were resistant to the idea of telepathic communication. They should not try to convince others of the reality of what they were doing. And they should not expand their network of contact workers outside of the original seven group, because this was a period of intense training and building the ties between the South American young people and the UFO intelligences that were running basically the contact program. (0:28:17)

But Sixto, whose dad, as you mentioned, was more of a nuts and bolts ufologist, his name was Garcia Paz. He wanted very much, Sixto wanted very much his dad to be involved. He wanted to impress him of his work, how they achieved this truly amazing event of telepathic communication and having a UFO fly overhead and a beam of light beaming down on them in the desert. (0:28:45)

So against their initial instructions, they were able to negotiate with the alleged ETs that, okay, Garcia Wells, their dad, was allowed to go out into the field with him, but nobody else. So on the following week, February 14th, 1974, the Rama team, seven young people were in place. They were meditating, saw a distant light. They identified as a UFO. In Spanish, it's ovni, O, V, N, I, objeto. (0:29:20)

O, V, N, I, objeto volante no identificado, which is the UFO term translated into Spanish. They saw the ovni. And in the distance, and they saw some lights coming down from the mountain across the desert towards them. And instead of coming alone, Six de Paz Wells' dad, Garcia Wells, instead of coming alone and arriving at a later time, which they had expected just him, he brought a whole bunch of his buddies to the site in violation of the protocol. (0:29:55)

And they set up tents and camping and brought beer and created a kind of party-like atmosphere in violation of the agreement they had with the extraterrestrial intelligence that were being channeled and interacted with. And so some of these people were trying to have trance channeling and they were holding hands. And when the UFO finally did fly over, people were totally unprepared and were panicked and were diving into their tents, panic-stricken. So this negative example underlines the importance of competent work and serious business. (0:30:40)

It's not a party, something that needs to be carried out according to protocol and with a discipline and high intentions, very high ideals in order to be successful on an ongoing long-term basis. (0:30:55)

So I'll stop for a moment. Yeah, sure. And yeah, so I want to emphasize here that they weren't just receiving messages. These communications were leading to physical encounters. And again, for anybody listening, this is what we would consider CE-5, except Rama had very powerful early success. Within the first weeks of going out into the field. My contact team in 1992 had immediate success as well, but nothing like this kind. (0:31:34)

We were seeing lights in the sky and having multiple sightings that verified our relationship with the phenomena, but not face-to-face encounters, which came up next, which I'll be telling you about in a moment. And that, and did that include the Zendras, right? That's right. The Zendra is the term used, it's Z-E-N-D-R-A, Zendra. It's a dimensional portal. This was the term given to Sixto by Axalt, the alleged extraterrestrial being with whom he was communicating with. (0:32:08)

So after this disaster in February, the Rama team redoubled their efforts. They were instructed to fast for days before field work. They switched over to very strict vegetarianism. And in the process, there were spiritual centers, the chakras were opened up, and this was a spiritual development in the Rama network was a very important part of their program. When I first met the Rama people, I actually thought they were a bunch of priests because that's the kind of high spiritual energy they have. (0:32:49)

Yeah, well, I also want to interject just very quickly and say, you know, renunciate monks or, you know, any kind of Buddhist monks, they pretty much follow the same practice of vegetarianism, very light eating when they eat. And if you go on any kind of vipassana or Buddhist meditation retreat, you're actually asked to do the same things. You know, you eat a vegetarian diet and you eat very lightly even when you do eat, and you're doing hours of meditation, you know, throughout the entire day, you know, for at least 10 days. (0:33:27)

Right, exactly. And I should bring it back to the CE5 network, which is where I cut my teeth on contact work back in the 90s. And although Rama has their protocols, which are very advanced, I should put in that the CE5 network had protocols as well, but it was more limited. And that was prohibitions against smoking, bringing alcohol, beverages, or any kind of street drugs to our contact work and no firearms. (0:33:57)

This was a rule. This is especially important because the United States, you know, we've got hundreds of millions of weapons and it's very important that we follow basic safety guidelines, as well as of giving the activity, the respect that it warrants by not drinking or not having street drugs and not creating a party-like atmosphere, which back in 1974 led to a disastrous encounter with Cixo Paz-Wells and his father, Garcia Paz. Yeah, and you also want to have a clear, coherent mind individually and with a group. (0:34:42)

And, you know, if you're messing around like that, it's gonna not be the proper coherent atmosphere, number one. (0:34:49)

And number two, you know, on another level, it's gonna dismantle your credibility saying, oh, you know, you were just drunk or high or whatever it is. And, you know, you can't be so sure of yourself how that's influencing your subjective experience. Right. And, you know, so let's go on from there to... So what happened was the face-to-face encounter several months later in July, I believe of 1974, another meeting was arranged. (0:35:20)

Again, a small group of the original contact team got the message to go out into the desert. In Chilca, there's a place called La Mina. It means in Spanish, the mine, in English translation, La Mina. And so their destination was some distance from where they parked their vehicles. And as this group of young people were going to the mine, Sixto Paz Wells in the darkness got separated from his companions. (0:35:54)

And according to this UFO Library Magazine report, which was verified by Yolanda Marcino, I mean, I should say was authored by Yolanda Marcino and was verified as accurate by the contact Rama activists that I met with in the 90s. According to this report, as he's walking through the desert, separated from his team, he sees a light in the distance. And he thought, oh my goodness, that's my companions, compañeros in Spanish, comrades. (0:36:27)

So he starts heading towards the light, but as he gets closer, he sees a man, the shape of a man emerge out of the light and he becomes frightened and he wants to run away. But a strange paralysis comes over him and telepathically he receives the message, come, venga. And he was able to overcome his fear. The paralysis was moved and he walked towards the light where he got to meet Axelt, who was described as a tall man, six foot two, with white blonde hair coming down to his shoulders, powerful oriental features, slanted eyes. (0:37:11)

And Axelt explained to him that he was going to enter into a dimensional portal. At that point, Sixto Paz Wells became very light. He felt like his body was being dissolved, felt heat racing through his neck and his head. And all of a sudden he found himself in a place that was not Chilca on the Peruvian coast. He was in a different type of environment, an earthly environment. (0:37:45)

He was told by Axelt that this was a ET base on the moon of Jupiter called, what we call Ganymede, and they call Moreland, M-O-R-E-L-A-N, Moreland. This was allegedly a base that had been established initially for mining operations thousands of years before. It was a place where, allegedly, a million extraterrestrials, some humanoid, some not, worked together and were promoting contact across the cosmos. (0:38:21)

He was able to see domed structures in the distance up against the mountainside, and he received information about this supposedly utopian type of society that existed on Moreland. People there were strict vegetarians. In fact, they did not have food as we know it, but ate a kind of tasteless food supplement that satisfied all their nutritional needs. (0:38:51)

Again, I can't verify any of this. This is third-hand information received too, received by Sixto Paz-Wells during his encounter written up in the UFO Library Magazine report. But this was a place where people only had to work four hours a day. Like Star Trek, there was no money. They spent much time in spiritual pursuits and guided meditation. And it felt like Sixto Paz-Wells was there for hours when he was then taken back through the Zendra and found himself back in Chilca at some distance from his comrades, compañeros, who he then joined together with and told him his amazing encounter. (0:39:36)

He felt he had been there for about three or four hours, but his friends said they had only been separated him for about 15, 20 minutes. So again, you have the element of distortion of space-time as part of the contact experience by this Latin American leader of the Raman Network, Sixto Paz-Wells. Yeah, and you know, just for people listening, we're not saying this is all exactly what happened. (0:40:07)

We're telling the story as per historical record. This is important to Sixto Paz-Wells' story and this is his account of what happened during his contact experiences. Again, so whether you believe it or not... It's... It wasn't Sixto alone. Right, correct, yeah. You know, the Raman Contact Network. So again, this is important for context and so people understand what, you know, Sixto and the other mission contact members have reported during their contact experiences. (0:40:43)

Yeah, now this became part of the cosmology of the Raman Network. And with tens of thousands of activists and dozens of countries all over the world, it's important for North Americans to have some knowledge of not only the history, but the fact that Rama groups, second and third generation Rama activists are still in operation, including in the United States with the work of... Enrique Van Uyven. Enrique Van Uyven and also... Ricardo Gonzales. Gonzales, yes. (0:41:16)

Some of the people in the audience perhaps watching this interview have done field work with them as I have. And so this is important background information of how the North American and the South American contact networks met. So the following week, reportedly, a group of Rama activists again went out to Chilca, again went to the Lamina, and now not just Sixto Paz Wells, but an entire group of Rama activists, young people was allegedly teleported to this base in our solar system, Ganymede. They called it Moreland, the largest moon of Jupiter. Now that moon of Jupiter is interesting because it's unique of the Galilean moons, those were the original moons seen by Galileo through this telescope when he discovered that the earth was not the center of the universe. (0:42:14)

And Ganymede, what we call Ganymede, has a weak but present magnetic field. It has abundance amount of water and ice, and it has deep crevices where conceivably an ET base could have been because Jupiter puts out tremendous amount of electromagnetic radiation. (0:42:40)

So it would be very hard to establish any kind of human or non-human base on the surface. So from Sixto Paz Wells' description, it sounded like they were, if this event actually occurred as he described, they were underground shielded from the radiation on the surface of the planet. Now, another rumor that I should add is that I have a friend, Ralph Steiner. He was also one of the many contact activists that worked in the CE5 network and helped. (0:43:18)

He was a journalist, a coworker of Leslie Keene in KPFA, which is Pacifica Radio in Berkeley area, Northern California. And my friend, Ralph Steiner, this investigative journalist, developed sources, which is kind of an interesting story because he was not aware of the history of Rama when he acquired this information. One of his informants was a young woman who was a temp worker, and she was given an assignment to work in one of these high security labs that was downloading encrypted information from the United States space probes. (0:44:04)

And according to Ralph, some 20 years ago or more, he interviewed her and she claimed that when she was there at the highly secure lab that was receiving encrypted radio communications from US space probes, they had downloaded images of Ganymede. And one of the images was of mining operations visualized on the surface of that Jovian moon. Now, this is very weak information. It's a rumor, it's third hand, but I just wanted to give it as a vignette. (0:44:53)

And by the way, in intelligence work, rumors are very important because human intelligence can guide intelligence operations where confirmatory information can be achieved with other means. So, although you can say this is just a rumor, it was interesting that Ralph had no knowledge of the history of Rama, but he did interview someone who may have been able to corroborate the reality of an ET base on that Jovian moon. (0:45:26)

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Yeah, I asked, I begged Ralph to get me access to that young woman. Well, but he said, no, he would not reveal the source. So, I could never verify the details of her employment, the specific facility that she worked in, but it's an interesting story that suggests there might be a reality to this ET base. And getting back to the Rama, now, we're talking about Zendras, and Zendras are essentially interdimensional portals where the supposed ET intelligence can facilitate transportation to another environment. (0:46:06)

Teleportation. Yeah, so, and 601st went through a Zendra with Oxalt, and now you're saying the second time he's going with the entire... That's right, the second time, a week later, this is the summer of 1974, multiple young people were taken to Ganymede. Reportedly, they were brought before a council of 24 elders on the walls of this enormous meeting hall. There was symbols that look like Chinese ideograms, but over the main stage were these 24 elders, senior ETs, some of whom were clearly not human, sat. (0:46:49)

There was a symbol of Star of David and a trident. (0:46:54)

And that image became the logo for the Rama network, which you can see on some of their literature going back into the 70s. So this was reportedly a multiply witness event of teleportation off the earth's surface to another environment. Now, in later programs, when I talk about the virtual experience model, I'll give an alternate explanation for what I believe may have happened to the Rama people. (0:47:22)

I'm not convinced on the basis of this story alone that they were truly transported to the moon in our solar system. But I believe given the track record of Rama, I think that it's likely that those people who came back with a story of their group encounter, this was the truth as they knew it. It was not a fabrication. And Joe, I hate to do this to you, but in just a few seconds, can you explain the virtual hypothesis? (0:47:56)

What you think they just very, very, very quickly. Let me, we're going to get into this in great detail, perhaps in future interviews. What happened to me was that in the course of field work during the first five years of my interest in UFOs, the intelligence behind the phenomena took me through a series of contact experiences where they actually showed me how they create illusions as a mechanism of contact. (0:48:23)

And so I've developed a schema called the virtual experience model. The virtual experience of the first kind is a holographic type of projection in the sky that appears to be an object, but has no solid structure. Or it can be an image that's projected into the occipital lobe of the witnesses so that one person will see the UFO and other people there will not. (0:48:51)

So this comes out of actual field investigations during the 1990s. A virtual experience of the second kind is a kind of virtual reality where the consciousness of an individual is captured by the intelligence. And it seems just like in the movie Matrix, more real than real, but the encounter occurs not in a physical reality, but in a kind of Matrix-like reality where at the level of consciousness, there's an interaction. (0:49:24)

You wanna call it virtual reality, you wanna call it Matrix-like reality, but seems very real and can be confusing to the experiencer who then goes away from the experience saying, I've been on board spacecraft and yet they've gone nowhere. Right, okay. Third, a virtual experience to the third kind is a virtual memory where a couple drives home at night, they go to bed and in the morning they wake up saying, my goodness, wasn't it amazing? (0:49:55)

We had that encounter, that UFO flew over us and we had missing time, amazing. Well, none of those things actually happened in our reality, but this intelligence, and later when I get into a full discussion, this intelligence has the ability to create artificial memories or memories in plant that seem as real to you and me as what we remember we had for breakfast this morning. (0:50:18)

So this astounding side capability is described in the virtual experience model, which is very controversial. (0:50:26)

When I first unveiled it 20 years ago, I lost half my friends who were furious at me. What I saw wasn't real, that was just a holographic projection. They didn't want to hear that. And I can understand that, because to them it's almost like saying it never happened, in other words. Well, sure. You're absolutely right. And the implications of that is that somehow the intelligence tricked them, almost like in a subconscious level, rather than what they took away from the experience as the main thing. (0:51:02)

But I do want to get back to the Rama thing. I thought it was important for the context of this conversation that it's possible that the Zenduras are part of this virtual experience. Yes, exactly. So now we have the Mission Rama group in a group setting have this Zendra or portal experience. What happens after that? Well, what happened after it was the story of Rama. They had tremendous success. (0:51:33)

You can maybe mention the press coverage that they had. People from all over the world came to witness these programs and encounters. Latin American and Spanish television crews filmed some of these encounters. Many books were written about them all in Spanish, except for the ones that James mentioned. The Invitation, I think it's called by Six of Us Whales. And it became a worldwide network. (0:52:02)

At one point they even allegedly had teams operating in the former Soviet Union which to me was astounding because as part of my physician piece work I traveled to the former Soviet Union and I know that that country was a goddamn police state with KGB monitoring all kinds of interactions and yet Rama had allegedly spiritually based activists in the former Soviet Union doing contact work. (0:52:36)

So they were in Egypt, Europe, North and South America, practically everywhere. And things developed well for about 15-20 years, and then problems started to occur. They were, as inevitably happens, they were falling outs. As we can get into some of the politics of Rama, perhaps at a later time, because what I wanted to share with you is a very important series of encounters, which I believe we still have time for. (0:53:12)

Yeah, sure. And I'll just throw this question in here now. Rama was operating from the early, 1974 up until really present day. Mission Rama is still in different forms operational. Now, had Dr. Greer ever mentioned Mission Rama? Because he's doing basically the same thing, going out and initiating contact. Did Dr. Greer ever mission or try to contact Mission Rama? Yeah, this is somewhat embarrassing to me. (0:53:52)

Because my work in the peace and social justice movements involved a lot of efforts to build solidarity between people working for what we imagine was a better world. And so money, support, publicity, went both ways. When I traveled to Latin America, and I spoke as a teenager to activists, the year after the massacre at Tolte Loco, I told them about our peace movement. (0:54:19)

And they told me about their efforts. And we developed mutual support to make us feel that, well, we're not alone, that we have this is a worldwide effort. Well, in my naivete, perhaps, I imagine that Dr. Greer would embrace a similar posture of solidarity, not only receive my information about Rama, but actually mentioned their work as well. (0:54:50)

He did not. In the five years that I was working closely with the CSADI director, I had never heard him once refer to Mission Rama. When Mission Rama people were brought to a meeting in San Francisco, and this was from my friend Joe Vallejo, 747 pilot who played the role of liaison between myself and Rama people because he was able to fly to Miami. He actually flew and did fieldwork with Rama in Peru. Captain Joe, as we called him. (0:55:17)

He brought Fernando Lamaco, which I'd like to talk about in a few minutes, who was the heavy Rama heavy activist, retired dental surgeon to meet Dr. Greer. Dr. Greer was polite. He greeted Dr. Lamaco, but he had nothing to say to him other than identifying him and greeting him. (0:55:43)

And he never referred to a Rama that I'm aware of then or since. And I can only suspect that the reason has to do with Dr. Greer's primary focus on his efforts to the exclusion of others. He, during all those years, he would repeatedly make the statement that his group that I was member of the board of directors in, and also as head of public education and outreach, and was empowered to speak for the organization Center for the Study of Extraterrestrials. Dr. Greer repeatedly said that his group was the only one in the world that was carrying out this kind of investigation. (0:56:33)

You know, you could say that's true, and that his group was the only one called CSETI, but given the track record of Rama and the enormous effort and contributions they've made, it wasn't totally true. And it was, it was, it was bothersome in a red flag for me, that there was some problems with Dr. Greer. He was singularly focused on his needs. I believe he suffers then and now from excessive pride, despite his many contributions. (0:57:02)

And so I, but that didn't stop me from talking about Rama. For the last 25 years, well, it's actually more. It's, it's 28 years since I made contact with Rama. I've always told everyone about this, share this information. I encouraged North American activists to meet Enrique Villanueva from Peru, and then also Ricardo Gonzalez. And we've been able to establish liaison, people from within the CE5 network, separate from the leadership, or what I would say, misleadership of the CSETI director. We've been able to build ties that are going forward. (0:57:40)

And I'm very happy that I played a small role in facilitating that, along with Joe Vallejo. And also, we should always mention Giorgio Pianzenza, who continues to play that very important role of liaison, explaining the important ongoing work and the historical significance of Mission Rama. Right. And I, you know, I heard about Mission Rama through you, I forget what year, maybe when we first started talking, and I started looking into it. (0:58:12)

And I was amazed that, you know, you know, again, the CE5, what we call it, it's contact work, had been going on for over two decades, you know, before CSETI was established and doing CE5 fieldwork. So, you know, I think it's incredibly important that people are aware of this history of contact work. So, you wanted to go on and speak about a few experiences now. (0:58:35)

Yeah, let's go on, because I want to talk about Fernando Lamaco. And Fernando is a retired oral surgeon. He was born and raised in Peru, educated there. Peru went through some very terrible times in the 1970s and 80s. There was an armed uprising by a group of crazy Marxist Maoists called Sendero Luminoso. These were rural guerrillas who followed what they imagined was a Cuban model of organizing an army of peasants to overthrow the central government. (0:59:24)

And to support their operations, they carried out terrorist attacks, killed government officials, kidnapped middle-class and wealthy people for ransom to pay for their insurrection. And it took many years of fighting to finally suppress this guerrilla uprising. I should mention that Peru was a right place for revolutionary activities because of the great number of injustices that the indigenous people suffered as a result of the lack of sensitivity and care from the central government. (1:00:05)

The central government facilitated building European settlements in the indigenous people's lands, taking over the land. There were mining operations, which is a source of wealth in the country, but also lumber industries, tearing out the rainforests and the wealth of the country. (1:00:26)

So these indigenous peoples, many of them speaking only their native languages, have been in strife with the central government for generations. And on the basis of that strife, opportunist groups like Sendero Luminoso appeared on the scene in the 70s, 80s. So my friend, I met him in the American Public Health Association. I had heard about Arama Heavy was in the Bay Area. And when the American Public Health Association had a meeting in San Francisco in 1993, I set up a CE5 table at this American Public Health Association meeting in the convention hall, surrounded by thousands of health professionals where I would show UFO videos and would recruit people to give money or join the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. It was a pretty gutsy thing to do because I was an ER doctor myself. (1:01:31)

And I, although I had mentioned to people in my medical center what I was doing, I really came out big time there in public, promoting the message that we can engage with the intelligence associated with the phenomena. At that time, I was totally convinced it was ET. So I heard about Fernando Limaco from Giorgio Piancenza and my friend Joe Vallejo. And I invited this retired dental surgeon who was now living in the Bay Area. And he came to sit at the table, and he helped me staff it. (1:02:06)

And I would, we chatted in Spanish and English because I was at that time pretty fluent in Spanish. So I spoke Spanish in the ER all the time to Hispanic patients. And he told me about his story. He left out some of the more unpleasant details of his life. But I was able to find out from Joe, who was more an intimate friend of his, that he had been forced to leave Peru because of the fact that his daughter had been a victim of an intended kidnapping, where these armed guerrillas came to their home. (1:02:50)

And she was 14 years old at the time, they pulled her out. And he charged after them with nothing other than, and this is kind of comical, he became enraged. He grabbed, according to Joe, a vacuum cleaner and started charging at these guerrillas, who we don't know what they saw. But when they saw Fernando charging at them, must have thought it was a machine gun or something because they let go of his daughter. (1:03:18)

And according to Joe's account, Dr. Lamarco was able to get his daughter back from them. And they then were able to emigrate to the United States. But because of the language problems, he was not able to get certified as an oral surgeon, he would have to go through a whole residency. But he did get technical work in terms of building prosthesis, and he was able to be employed and support his family. (1:03:51)

So I got to meet Fernando. And it was, I mean, you meet Fernando He was my age, early 40s, robust, not very tall guy, broad shoulders, his skin had copper color, it was clearly of mixed ancestry. He looked like an indigenous person from the Andes, his eyes were deep inside his eyes, his eyes were deep inside his face. (1:04:15)

And when he talked about Rama, in Spanish, you could see the idealism and the zeal that he had in terms of the contact program. It was it was a truly remarkable experience to chat with him. And his story was that in 1990, he had already emigrated to the United States. And Rama, because it was Spanish language based, they had many people who were not documented. (1:04:46)

And some of the contact workers were are called in the press illegals, or what we call undocumented workers. And one particular contact worker that was part of their operation, because they then started doing field work in the United States, not far from Mount Shasta. He got in trouble with the, with the the Immigration and Naturalization Service now under Homeland Security. So he drove his car to the Castroville area. (1:05:19)

So no, not far from Monterey. And he was driving there to Gilroy to meet with this Hispanic contact worker to give him information about how he could avoid being deported. Because this Rama person was under threat of deportation for illegal status. And since Fernando knew something about the process of getting legal status, he went down there to help his friend. (1:05:44)

As he was driving back, and I know this was the highway, Highway 152, because I've been on it a million times, going back and forth between the coast and Highway 5, which is the main thoroughfare from Northern and Southern California. While he's driving through these fields, he hears this sound like a metronome, metallic. And he then is able to hear the word Paititi, Paititi, Paititi, Paititi, Paititi. He's from Peru, but he's a city dweller. (1:06:14)

And he doesn't know what Paititi means, but he hears Paititi, Paititi, Paititi. And he, he looks over, and there's a flying saucer landed in the field. And he gets out, he looks at it, there's another vehicle looking at it. They watch it for a while, and I believe the saucer then leaves. (1:06:33)

And the sound still, he is ringing in his head, Paititi, Paititi, Paititi. So he then finds out from the Rama network that there's going to be an encounter in Peru. And he travels to Peru, and there is a convention of all the Rama people from all over the world, from Central America, Brazil. There was even one guy from Egypt. And what happened was that the automatic writers, the, they call that polygraph, psychographia is another term for automatic writing. (1:07:12)

They had people from all over the world had received the same message that there was going to be a major encounter in Peru. It was going to take place in Paititi. And at this international meeting of Rama activists with over 200 people present, the leadership of Rama told them that we're going to have this encounter, and we want to know who in the crowd is willing to come forward and go to Paititi. Because this place was not easy to get to. (1:07:48)

There was no roads. It was on the other side of Peru in a rainforest area where indigenous people lived. And it would be a very arduous journey to get there. And the Rama leadership said, who's willing to go? Everybody stood up. Said we're willing to go. Yeah. Subsequent communications, it was determined that only six people were going to be selected by name. And my friend, Fernando Lamaco was one of them. (1:08:15)

They also found out through automatic writing that these people were the only ones who were going to go to Paititi. And if there were any, anyone could make it, there would be no substitutions. So of course, Sexta Paz Wells was there, Fernando Lamaco was there. In my notes somewhere, I have the names of the other contact activists in the Rama network who were chosen. (1:08:39)

And they set about going into the rainforest region. They brought with themselves a pup tent, a metal pot, and about 40 pounds of beans and rice, or maybe more, 50 pounds that they carried in with them. They had a guide to take them into this area, because there were no roads. Some of the areas were so rough that they had to use machetes to cut their way through the brush. (1:09:12)

And they navigated not only by stars, but also by intuition, because they were, or they felt they were, in communication with the intelligence behind the phenomena that guided them. They got to a certain point, and they found that their video camera, which they had, you know, they had just bought a fancy VH video camera with multiple batteries that were fully charged. All the video equipment stopped working, because the batteries were completely drained. (1:09:48)

And they had been totally operational when they tested them before they set out on their trek into the jungle. So they buried their video equipment under a tree and, you know, marked it and so that they would be able to find it. And they continued. At one point, several days, and it took them about a week to get to their destination. (1:10:12)

At one point, the guide said, we're not going any further. And they said, what do you mean? We're going to Paititi. And the guide, according to my friend Fernando, said beyond this point, the people out there pointing towards pointing towards Paititi, they eat people. The story was that the indigenous people were cannibals. (1:10:39)

At least that was the story. And this guide was scared, and he didn't want to go any further. But they were determined to go. So they bid goodbye to this frightened tour guide, and continued into the jungle. They had to cross many rivers that were full of crocodiles. (1:10:57)

The rivers were their source of water. They had this pup tent. At one point, they were so exhausted that they, after the day's hike, they didn't even set up their tent. And they lay down on the side of a stream, and went to sleep huddled together. They didn't even eat. When they woke up, they found themselves surrounded by poisonous snakes that had crawled onto them, because they were attracted by their body heat of the Rama people. (1:11:36)

But you can imagine their terror. But they managed to slowly extricate themselves from these venomous snakes that were over them. The snakes then went back into the river. So this gives you some insight into the challenges and the determination of the Rama people, who all the while continued to meditate. And they got sustenance from their beans and rice, physical sustenance, but also they got spiritual sustenance and encouragement from their meditations and communications with the alleged ETs. At one point, they were quite frightened, because coming across the river was a group of indigenous men who were in a cutout canoe. (1:12:16)

They were armed with bows and arrows and spears. And they were like, oh my gosh, what's going to happen? When they got to talk to the indigenous, these were hunters. These were very primitive people who sustained themselves in the rainforest from hunting and gathering. And this may be hard for people in the audience to believe, but this is what I heard from my friend Fernando Lamarco, retired oral surgeon and leader in Rama for 40 years. (1:12:47)

He said that when they were able to communicate with these huntsmen, they were extremely friendly. In fact, the alleged ETs had telepathically communicated to these hunters in their dreams that a group of city folk were coming, and they should help them. And as a peace offering, one of these hunters gave to Fernando his bow and his arrows. Now, that was the way he made a living. (1:13:29)

That was the way he fed his family. So, that peace offering had great significance to Fernando, who graciously accepted the gift. And then the indigenous people that they were now in communication with guided them further. Into the rainforest to get to Paititi. I'm going to stop for a second. If you have a question, I'm going to drink some water. Sure. So, I'm just going to interject and say this is all part of their program siting, correct? (1:13:58)

Yes, this has all been set up at the level of consciousness. Remote viewers, I should say, automatic riders, selecting the team. Sixto Paz-Wells was there, Fernando Lomaco and others, international team. One day before they met the extraterrestrials, or what they believe were extraterrestrials, while meditation, they all had an out-of-body experience, where they were taken on board at the level of consciousness. (1:14:32)

They knew they were one day away from Paititi. They got to Paititi the following day. And according to Fernando Lomaco, every single one, I think there were five or six on the team, were taken up in a blue beam, taken on to the belly of the craft, into the belly of the craft, where they had a friendly exchange with representatives of what was called the Great White Brotherhood. Now, that sounds like a racist term, because the White Brotherhood is the name given to the racist white supremacist group, but it had nothing to do. (1:15:14)

They called them the White Brotherhood, the Great White Brother, because they were wearing white robes, and because their bodies weren't encased in light. (1:15:19)

And he had an encounter. Now, if you question the reality of it, Joe Vallejo told me this story. Fernando didn't tell it to me, but according to my friend, Captain Joe Vallejo, 747 pilot, who was my liaison with Rama, he said, Fernando told him that one of the people who were taken up on the blue beam became so terrified during the process that he peed in his pants. (1:15:52)

That says to me that high probability that if this event occurred as described, there was a definite physical component to it. I don't think this was necessarily a virtual experience of the second or third kind. And so, they finally get to Petiti, and they're, I guess, taken on board a craft. I don't have any details on that encounter. (1:16:18)

But they then were returned, and they went back the arduous trek. They did receive, as many other Rama activists, the cosmology that guided their group. And according to the Rama cosmology, which developed during that time, and this is, you may say cynically, this is typical contactee fair or fairy tales, but according to the cosmology they received from the alleged ETs, Earth is going through a period of rapid change. (1:16:47)

We are moving from a level of technological barbarism to a higher stage, not only of material development, but spiritual development. And this is why the Rama people emphasized spiritual development among all their volunteer contact workers. According to the Rama cosmology, Earth is going through a very important period of its evolution. And it's an evolution that's not only an evolution of material civilization, in terms of advanced technology, but of spiritual development. (1:17:24)

Rama people, like many in the New Age subculture, talk about vibration. And according to their cosmology, the extraterrestrials who are technologically and spiritually advanced inhabit realms where higher levels of vibration are necessary in order to exist. They also said that coming down to our level of vibration shortens the lives of the individual ETs, who venture into what you might describe as madhouse Earth, a level of existence that the Buddha reportedly called the nightmare of the day. (1:18:07)

This is what we have created on this beautiful planet. War, racism, starvation, endless forms of brutality and exploitation. But the extraterrestrials, according to the Rama cosmology, recognize that we have the opportunity to evolve, and they take it as their sacred duty to assist in that evolution. And this is, I must say, I've received limited telepathic communications similar to this. (1:18:36)

And for people who are skeptical, say, you know, typical contacty fare. But these are messages that have guided the contact network called Mission Rama, originally called Rama, then Mission Rama, now spelled not R-A-M-A, but R-A-H-M-A, which means Ra for Sun, Ma for Earth, and H in the middle for humanity. Yeah. Yeah, and it's pretty remarkable how, you know, some of these similar themes come to just about any experiencer that you talk to has the same message, same impression, same communication about these very similar ideals, I guess you can say, you know, of Earth and the potential and the kind of awakening on the planet and the potential we have to either move forward or, you know, in some cases have catastrophes occur. (1:19:34)

Right. So they talk about the spiritual development of civilizations as if they were rungs on a ladder, and you climb up the ladder. And as each extraterrestrial civilization becomes more sophisticated and evolved, raises their vibration, they have a moral responsibility to assist other cultures. And there is supposedly a galactic federation, which for those Star Trek fans, you know, are part of that concept. (1:20:01)

The extraterrestrials allegedly are here to help raise our vibration, to expand our consciousness so that we can not only survive these terrible times, but to thrive. And they said that the entire galaxy of civilizations, and this might be one explanation for the multiple phenotypes that contact experiences describe, there's dozens of different appearances of greys and reptilians and mantoids and some things that are so strange energy beings that have no particular form. (1:20:39)

If you believe in the cosmology of Rama, the multiple phenotypes that people are describing, phenotype is the technical term for category according to appearance. Okay, phenotype and genotype would be category according to genetic makeup. So all these different phenotypes are here because we are actually the greatest show in the galaxy. Multiple civilizations are allegedly here assisting us, not just for them, but for us, but also for them. (1:21:15)

Because according to Rama, Earth is actually a spiritual dynamo. The potential spiritual energy of this planet, because of the large population and what we have endured, is so gigantic that if we can jump to the next level of evolutionary development, it will also allow the other civilizations that are assisting us to move up on their evolutionary ladder. (1:21:43)

Well, if you hear this kind of message again and again, eventually you believe it. And the Rama people sincerely believed this story. And this is why they were so determined to carry out the contact work decade after decade. (1:21:58)

Despite the betrayals, internal fighting, a similar process happened with Ciceti, that I was a member of. The ugly influence of money and accusations that Sixto Paz-Wells was making up stories and exaggerating. And there were large amounts of money that were raised for both the CE5 network leader, Dr. Steven Greer, and there was also large amounts of money raised for Sixto Paz-Wells. And whenever there's large amounts of money, there's going to be fighting over money and fighting over publicity and attention. (1:22:45)

And so I just wanted to leave the audience with an understanding that the contact network is incredibly difficult and these challenges are going to come up again and again. But the intelligence behind the phenomena is no matter how much the ruling elites would like them to say adios and bug off, it's my impression that the non-human intelligences behind this phenomena are determined to participate in this unfolding of contact with them. (1:23:18)

And they're not going away anytime soon to the consternation of military people who would like their training exercise areas not to be invaded by UFOs or the multinational corporations that might not want to integrate free energy into our technological culture that would end the empire of oil, or the religious fanatics who say, yeah, ET is real and it's the devil. This issue fundamentally challenges all terrestrial elites, but in my judgment, not the peace-loving people of the world who want peace, material development, and most important of all to get it, spiritual development that involves expansion of our consciousness, where we no longer think of ourselves as the Arabs have an expression, me against my brother, my brother and me against my cousin, my cousin and me against the world, that we can unite in the United States and in every other country and build a planetary civilization not based on mutual robbery, but on enlightened cooperation. (1:24:37)

One planet, one people is the way the extraterrestrials, I suspect, if they are from other star systems, view us. And the message of solidarity of brotherhood and sisterhood made large and carried to the cosmos is the driving force behind Rama, CE5 network, and many other networks that are operating below the radar, because they've been instructed by their, if you want to use an intelligence term, so-called ET handlers. (1:25:07)

They've been instructed not to seek publicity, because the intelligence services on this planet have been monitoring the contact network for decades. Since they cannot control the phenomena, the intelligence services follow the people around who are engaged with the phenomena. And I suspect that they see Joe Birx and James Ian Doley and many others as kind of like the idiot boys and girls that hold the goose that lays the golden eggs. They're not interested in little boy. (1:25:42)

They're not interested in the goose, they want the golden eggs. And that's why they are not very successful in establishing liaison with these intelligences. And I suspect also that's the reason why every story that you hear about alien United States government liaison is just another story. I don't think there's any reality in it. And I base that on the fact that in order to achieve some basic level of communication, a certain degree of spiritual transformation is necessary. (1:26:22)

I don't see that happening in the FBI, or the CIA, or the American Chamber of Commerce, or all the ruling organs of elite power on this planet. So I wanted to leave the listeners with that perspective. Because if we're going to build a contact movement, and not just this loose network of well-intentioned individuals, we're going to need to dedicate ourselves on improving ourselves, means overcoming the pernicious effects or controlling the pernicious effects of ego. (1:26:57)

We need to identify not with our own fate, with the fate of our planet, and the fate of intelligent life in the cosmos in general. (1:27:03)

So I could go on at length about more adventures. I know we have a limited amount of time, I can continue with the storytelling of Mission Rama, and the work I did with them and also Joe Vallejo, my 747 friend. But we can stop here. And I'll let you answer any, ask any questions you might have. Yeah, let's, let's bring it to a stop here, just because we're going on pretty long here. (1:27:31)

And again, we're going to be having a series of discussions. So we can always come back and revisit the Rama topic. And actual your, your, your story more so, your involvement with Rama, with your fieldwork group, even some of the stories with, you know, you had encounters with intelligence community. And, and, and, again, we didn't get to Rama's ruling out system, but we'll get around to those things. (1:28:07)

So again, thank you so much for coming on, Dr. Burks. And we got a lot more coming for people listening. So in the coming weeks, and onwards, we're going to be having a series of discussions from everything from Contact and Rama, the virtual experience model, and much more. So thank you so much, Dr. Burks, and I'll speak to you next time. Okay. Transcribed by https://otter.ai (1:28:26)


私の判断："Mission Rahma" は影響力の高い個人が作り上げた宗教​

Sixto Paz Wells という「影響力が強い」人物が様々な「印象的現象」を引き起こすことで作り上げた宗教が、"Mission Rahma" だと私は判断する。

この文脈で「影響力が強い」の意味は、

  1. 自身のみならず周囲の人間にも類似した幻覚体験を引き起こす特異な能力（＝周囲の人間に能動的共鳴認知を引き起こす能力＝通力の類＝あたかもテレパシー的に催眠を引き起こし、幻覚を体験させる能力）のこと。(*1)

  2. カメラで撮影可能な UFO （＝orb）を発生させる能力も備えている。

この 1. により、彼の周囲の人間は Zendra を目撃し、Zendra を通って「ガニメデにある ET の基地」を訪れた（ Zendra（異次元空間ゲート）体験…という幻覚を体験した。

Rahma とは所詮は「UFO/ET を神に見立てた宗教」であるから、

といった彼の妄想を取り巻きの信者たちと共有する事になった。

(*1)​

いわゆるテレパシー（ET が abductee と精神のみで対話するような類）は存在しない。ET もテレパシーでの対話も abductee の幻覚。

たぶんだが、存在するのは共鳴認知という現象。それは大規模情報系の間で情報が緩く共鳴するように見える現象で、譬えるとトンネル効果に幾分は似ている。

(2025-07-13)